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BD-Live hits PlayStation 3 via software update

As promised earlier, Sony has released the new firmware which updates the PlayStation 3 console to the forefront of Blu-ray Disc specification.

Version 2.20 brings with it the major addition of supporting BD Live, also known as Blu-ray Disc Profile 2.0. Profile 2.0 adds the requirements for Ethernet connectivity and persistent storage, allowing for high-definition movies to access downloadable content and other extras.

"With Blu-ray established as the high-definition optical disc standard, more consumers are ready to jump in and take advantage of everything the format offers," said Scott A. Steinberg, vice president, product marketing, SCEA. "Whether you want to download movie extras, send ringtones to your phone, or play interactive games, BD-LIVE will offer exciting new ways to enjoy a Blu-ray movie. With these regular firmware updates and future-proofed technology, SCEA is making the 10-year lifecycle of PS3 possible."

The new software also enables an enhanced resume play function, allowing DVD and certain Blu-ray Disc movies to be resumed at last known spot even if the disc is ejected or the system is powered down. The added “Mosquito Noise Reduction” under the AV Settings lets the user reduce the flicker that appears on the edge of visual images while watching standard DVDs.

PSP owners will also appreciate the ability to copy playlists of music and photos from console to handheld. Despite all the movie-playback additions, not yet implemented is the Blu-ray Portable Copy feature first mentioned at CES 2008.

SCEA PR manage Al De Leon explained on the PlayStation Blog, “Also, to set the record straight, Blu-ray Portable Copy was never a part of this firmware update, and the feature isn’t related to BD-LIVE. We know a lot of you are excited about the ability to take a copy of a BD movie with you on the go on your PSP, so we’ll keep you posted on any developments with this cool feature in the future.”

Firmware update 2.20 is available now via the Network Update function or directly from Sony.

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Ahhh...
By maverick85wd on 3/25/2008 6:01:45 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
"With Blu-ray established as the high-definition optical disc standard..."


Such sweet words...




RE: Ahhh...
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/26/2008 8:21:53 AM , Rating: 2
What are we going to call the next generation? Super high def :P?


RE: Ahhh...
By Regs on 3/26/2008 9:14:53 AM , Rating: 2
I was thinking that too. What else could the come out with next? My guess is 3D. Lasers or optics that project the image outward. Either that or smellavision.


RE: Ahhh...
By AlphaVirus on 3/26/2008 11:32:39 AM , Rating: 2
I think of this anytime we use such lingo as High-Def, Digital, etc.
Its the same with radio stations that are "Now broadcasting in HD (digital instead of analog)". I guess they figure it will be plenty of years until a new ground shattering tech comes out, so by then we should have a new lingo to setup.

Thing is, 1080 is consumers Hi-Def, professionals are using 2060 and higher. I wonder what the next move will be for both consumers and professionals.


RE: Ahhh...
By walk2k on 3/26/2008 12:42:23 PM , Rating: 2
It's (already) called Super Hi-Vision, or Ultra High Definition Video - UHDV

It's 7,680 × 4,320

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_High_Definition...


RE: Ahhh...
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/26/2008 12:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
Ah they skipped super and went straight to Ultra!

(Waiting for Spaceballs reference here)


RE: Ahhh...
By walk2k on 3/26/2008 3:30:21 PM , Rating: 2
Yep after that is LHD.

Ludicrous High-Definition!


Portable BD Copy
By feraltoad on 3/25/2008 6:48:08 PM , Rating: 2
So is the built in card reader that was dropped from newer models going to be the only way to get a portable copy?

Also, will rental discs have to be made different to avoid portable copies? Or does the copy "expire"?




RE: Portable BD Copy
By mmntech on 3/25/2008 7:57:02 PM , Rating: 2
There's almost nothing known about this. I would expect they're saving update 3.0 unless it ends up being vapourware. The real issue is getting Hollyweird to go along with it. According to them, you're stealing if you rip CDs to your iPod, and that's legal. I would definitely expect some kind of DRM scheme. If it's DRM free, that would be a huge victory for fair use because it would bring movies inline with audio CDs.

As for this update, I can't say there's anything really to get excited about. BD 2.0 seems to be the MPAA's "ringle" to me. DVDs have online content if you use your PC to play it, but how many people actually used those features?
As for the rest, the resume playback feature was a long time coming. It's been standard in PC DVD playback software and high end players for years. The audio output settings for remote play is also interesting. I haven't tried the rest yet. Nothing really earth shattering.


RE: Portable BD Copy
By afkrotch on 3/26/2008 5:00:23 AM , Rating: 2
Just BD 2.0. Hmm...can't say I'm much excited about that. In all seriousness, due to the size of the disc, could they simply not just include everything on the disc? Sure, 2 years down the road when you pop the movie in, you get to see a 2 year old trailer, but who really cares?


RE: Portable BD Copy
By walk2k on 3/25/2008 8:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
It's not included in this update, but I believe you hook up your PSP or whatever via the standard USB ports.


RE: Portable BD Copy
By cubby1223 on 3/26/2008 12:41:00 AM , Rating: 2
The portable copies are included on an extra dvd bundled in the case. For the movies so far that come with one, that is.


happy
By GlassHouse69 on 3/25/2008 10:40:49 PM , Rating: 4
Uh, people are pissed somehow about this.

what losers.

this is awesome. unless you bought hddvd only products or something.




RE: happy
By Haltech on 3/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: happy
By Regs on 3/26/2008 9:12:42 AM , Rating: 2
HD DVD is cheaper on the consumer. Now I should say was.

Sony, however IMO, made the right decision going blue-ray. Just gave the consumer one more reason to buy it over the competition though they had to sell the system at a loss.


RE: happy
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/26/2008 10:23:56 AM , Rating: 2
From a purely logistic perspective Sony had the advantage from the get go. Sony could build, market, push format (Sony Pictures Entertainment) and push hardware (Stand Alones and PS3). That provides significant insurance on a push if you can basically float the entire thing top to bottom on your own.


RE: happy
By SavagePotato on 3/26/2008 12:02:10 PM , Rating: 2
Which is a major part of why it is dead.

It wasn't cheaper at all, it was artificially cheaper through selling everything at a huge loss to keep it afloat. In the thick of the format war you couldn't say that without being called a fud spreading demon and attacked by angry rabid supporters.

Now it's a fact you can't argue, Toshiba threw in the towel for a good reason, they were losing money massively to keep the format alive and could no longer justify it.


Stop complaining
By electriple9 on 3/25/2008 9:19:45 PM , Rating: 3
When people baught the Bluray player they knew it was still a "beta" device and it will take a while for it to finalize and get mature. We all knew of the formats will die, so there we have it bluray won. Nobody really cares about that download content of the bluray disks, its just a nice bonus, and since the PS3 will most likely be connected to the internet, its the best way to access there features. Sony was nice enough to give us free updates for the PS3. I do agree, Sony does charge more for hardware, but you will always pay more for Sony.




What really amazes me is...
By crazyblackman on 3/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: What really amazes me is...
By michal1980 on 3/26/2008 8:17:26 AM , Rating: 1
You took a beating for support blu-ray/Sony/PS3.

lol, ya. I' was an an auto -3 run for nearly a year.

still have to put that stupid verfiy code in when I post.


RE: What really amazes me is...
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/26/2008 8:24:36 AM , Rating: 2
Post more often and it levels back out to 2 pretty quick. Regular posters here tend to be stuck at 2 give or take a few decimal places.

You also have to remember that "how" you state something can cause people to dislike it and mod you down. You can utterly flame something but do it in a way that doesn't seem so "negative" and get away with it. (See: Political Wordsmithing) :P


Alakazam!
By Chaser on 3/25/2008 5:24:43 PM , Rating: 2
Downloading now. Thank you Sony :)




Stealth fix
By walk2k on 3/26/2008 12:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
This update also fixed the problem with playback of large MPEG2_PS and TS files! (Green flashes and skips/stuttering - gone!)

Also MPEG2_PS files with DD 5.1 play in full 5.1 surround (actually 7.1 PCM) - I think they fixed that in a previous update actually, but with the glitches they were unwatchable anyway.

This is great, I have a lot of longer movies and such recorded from HD cable (shorter stuff under 2GB always played ok) that I can now watch on the PS3.

Still no audio from MPEG2_TS files with DD sound, but at least changing the container to PS is quick and no loss of quality.




Amazing
By oab on 3/25/08, Rating: -1
RE: Amazing
By elmikethemike on 3/25/2008 5:52:10 PM , Rating: 5
Old blu ray players will still play new movies, you just wont have access to the BD LIVE, or online content.

This isn't that big a deal I don't think. How many home theaters have a router that close to their blu-ray player or tv? I'm gonna say not that many. So odds are most people won't have access to the online content anyway. And how many wireless blu-ray players are there? Only one. Big whoop.


RE: Amazing
By InternetGeek on 3/25/2008 6:07:00 PM , Rating: 2
At $400 or more people would expect their player to have some lasting value and not be obsolete less than 3 years after it was launched. The new features are provided for a reason: Add more value. Trying to reduce their effect kinda kills the whole idea of selling new players?... Unless you're a bit flexible about features.

I wouldn't be amazed if in 2-3 years more Profile 1.0 players actually played very limited content... Sony on the end might actually force people to keep updating their player every 5-6 years (or basically each new console generation) just to be able to play the new movies.

Which is stupid is you think of Blu-ray as an storage solution. If you think of it as part of a movie deployment platform then it makes sense... but explain me then how is that any better than a download? At least in the download I can keep playing it when I change computers, and so on.

It's not that I'm being a cheap bastard. But I want to invest my money wisely given that it is a limited resource. having to renew the way I see the same movie every few years it's just dumb.


RE: Amazing
By rninneman on 3/25/2008 6:35:28 PM , Rating: 2
Every Blu-ray player released has lasting value. No change to the format renders 1.0 or 1.1 players obsolete. They still play all Blu-ray movies just fine. Toshiba publically announced that only 30% of HD-DVD players ever had the ethernet connection actually activated. So if only 1/3 of early adopters care, the general population couldn't care less.

Just admit that do dislike Sony (which is a stupid reason for disliking Blu-ray considering you can get a nice player from Pioneer or Panasonic) or you are bitter about investing in HD-DVD. Don't blame the profiles though. Did you complain about DVD changing over time too? Were you as pissed about the first DVD players not supporting DTS, DVD-R/RW, seamless branching, progressive scan, HDMI, Divx, etc?


RE: Amazing
By 777 on 3/25/2008 9:49:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Don't blame the profiles though. Did you complain about DVD changing over time too? Were you as pissed about the first DVD players not supporting DTS, DVD-R/RW, seamless branching, progressive scan, HDMI, Divx, etc?


Excellent points!!! Why the whiners fail to see this, shows their ignorance.


RE: Amazing
By daftrok on 3/25/2008 6:52:45 PM , Rating: 2
That is an inevitability no matter what technology comes out. Remember when the scroll wheel mouse came out? Alienated millions who didn't feel like moving their mouse to the right of the screen and clicking and holding. Remember the Playstation 1? Do people still use that as their primary CD player? And now the PS2, I doubt many people use that as their main DVD player what with 1080p DVD players available online for 50 bucks. In time cheaper Blu ray players will come.

There is one simple function that all movie goers want and its simply this: movies. I doubt the average consumer (in other words 90% of the market) cares about Profile 1 or 2 or whatever; so long as you can stick it in the slot and it plays with pretty picture they're happy.

And remember when DVDs seemed inconceivable to be used as back up? Its so easy to do now and what with HDDs getting cheaper it won't be long until everyone has an external HDD. I think Blu ray marks the end of discs and the transition to digital downloads and whatnot.

And no one is saying "hey stop watching DVDs." Hell, no one is saying "hey stop watching VHS" (though you probably should man DVD players are like 20 bucks and look a lot better and I'm pretty sure the movies you have on VHS are cheap on DVD now). Its just a transition. You can say now "oh I don't feel like transitioning from DVD to Blu ray its too soon" because in two years that mind set will change.

Though the cheapest way to go HD right now is without a doubt HD DVD. You can buy an Xbox 360 HD DVD drive for 50 bucks and movies that are cheaper than DVD. So you can do that.


RE: Amazing
By crazyblackman on 3/25/2008 10:07:06 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Though the cheapest way to go HD right now is without a doubt HD DVD. You can buy an Xbox 360 HD DVD drive for 50 bucks and movies that are cheaper than DVD. So you can do that.


Man, are you friggin serious? Xbox360 hddvd drive? Is it really THAT cheap? Gee...wonder why they're making it such a good deal? Any ideas? Enough with the jokes already. This was actually a serious discussion until you showed up with that clown suit on. Now...where were we? Oh yeah...we were having a discussion about the best hd player available...that bad-assed fcking ps3.


RE: Amazing
By daftrok on 3/25/2008 10:46:17 PM , Rating: 2
True but if you have a 360 (or a PC) and want HD for cheap HD DVD's the way to go. You can support Blu ray all you want but god DAMN thats too good a deal to pass up. You can buy the Bourne Trilogy for 30 bucks and the Matrix Trilogy for even less! And Transformers, Batman and American Gangster are 15 bucks each! Its a FIRE SALE out there


RE: Amazing
By walk2k on 3/25/2008 8:11:43 PM , Rating: 2
Uh... it's not obsolete... you can easily update it from the internet. (the PS3 that is)

If you're talking about standalone players, I believe you can download the update on a PC and burn a copy to cd/dvd-rom.

You can probably also order the update on a disc from the manuf.


RE: Amazing
By BansheeX on 3/26/2008 2:57:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wouldn't be amazed if in 2-3 years more Profile 1.0 players actually played very limited content... Sony on the end might actually force people to keep updating their player every 5-6 years (or basically each new console generation) just to be able to play the new movies.


Your criticism lacks a basic understanding of the actual difference between the profile versions. Before making such outlandish predictions, you might want to go do some research other than that you've mustered to accumulate from hyperbolic HD-DVD fanboys desperate for a rallying point.

2.0 adds two minor things over 1.0, which most people consider bloat as it was never wanted during DVD, and both of which have no effect on the ability to watch the main feature. Those two things are ethernet connectivity and PiP for commentaries. Blu-ray is likely adding them for one reason: to appease idiots like yourself who constantly demand more "features" regardless of their value relative to their added complexity, and also to appease studios who now are wanting a cheap port of all their HD-DVD films which were authored under the HD-DVD profile featureset.


RE: Amazing
By JAB on 3/25/2008 6:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like most people wanted Blu-Ray to loose because thy thought it was all Sony and they hate sony. This is a stupid way to make your choices. They are evil for adding unneeded features? Give me a break. That kind of thinking makes the people that supported HD DVD for good reasons look stupid.

The war is over give up the hate. If all the features were that important then HD DVD would have won. People just want to watch movies the 2.0 features are a plus. There are a lot of really great things about the PS3 for entertainment even if you never plan to play a game. Dont let your bias get in the way of a great deal.


RE: Amazing
By walk2k on 3/25/2008 8:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
those people are dumb, so who cares what they think.

the BD Assn. is like 150 different companies, including Apple, Dell, HP, Hitatchi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, etc etc etc...

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_information/Sec...


RE: Amazing
By Zensen on 3/26/2008 1:32:07 AM , Rating: 2
yeh definitely. just post that, argument solved especially when it comes to people hating it cause they believe sony is behind it all..


RE: Amazing
By theapparition on 3/26/2008 8:11:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
those people are dumb.......

quote:
the BD Assn. is like 150 different companies......

Just like I've seen you post many times that HD-DVD was Toshiba, when in reality it was the DVD Forum, which is composed of over 220 companies, including Sony, Apple, Dell, Hitachi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, etc etc etc...

When you point a finger, there's usually three fingers pointing back at you. ;)


RE: Amazing
By SavagePotato on 3/26/2008 12:26:52 PM , Rating: 1
No, it wasn't the dvd forum, it was the hddvd forum.

Toshiba however was the sole manufacturer of players and the only thing that kept it alive at all was Toshiba, and the fact that they took a considerable loss as a company to keep it afloat as long as it was.


RE: Amazing
By theapparition on 3/26/2008 6:19:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, it wasn't the dvd forum, it was the hddvd forum.

Get your facts strait. There's no such thing as the HDDVD forum. HD-DVD was sanctioned by the DVD forum, the same people who control the specs for standard DVD's.

Toshiba had a lot to lose, since they invested heavily in thier format, however, royalties was not part of it. The DVD forum recieved royalties for licenses of HD-DVD, not Toshiba. In fact, the only thing Toshiba had to gain was being "at the ground floor" of a new market. It's this same royalties that initially alienated Sony and others.

As for Toshiba floating the cost of HD-DVD, the same can be said about Sony, who has yet to make a profit on the PS3, or any other Blu-ray players, so I'm not sure what your point of bringing that up.


RE: Amazing
By SavagePotato on 3/28/2008 1:45:11 PM , Rating: 1
The point is that the only manufacturer of players sold them at an huge loss and thus cemented their own defeat by not only driving other ce companies out of the market but bearing the brunt of loss to the point they could no longer hold out.

The fact that you are too stupid to understand the point is no ones fault but your own.


RE: Amazing
By theapparition on 3/28/2008 5:59:44 PM , Rating: 3
Yet one again, you have no problem with Sony selling thier SA players at a loss. Your argument about Toshiba being the only manufacturer and that's why they lost is laughable at best. It deserves no further comment.

quote:
The fact that you are too stupid to understand the point is no ones fault but your own.

Resulting to insults only lowers yourself and proves you have no point.


RE: Amazing
By walk2k on 3/26/2008 3:39:49 PM , Rating: 2
Who said that? Because I never said any such thing.


RE: Amazing
By deeznuts on 3/26/2008 12:41:41 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah nothing like the first DVD adopters who paid thousands and got 480i.

Suck it dude, the thing still plays 1080p movies. I have a PS3 and I can almost guarantee you, I will never use a feature past 1.0 that's for sure.

Hey, HD DVD owners can do community viewing where they all connect over the net and one person can control, pause, start etc. the movie for synchronized fappping i mean viewing!


So, did the best side really win?
By Karandar on 3/25/08, Rating: -1
RE: So, did the best side really win?
By PCXLFan on 3/25/2008 6:28:05 PM , Rating: 2
Don't worry, its not like you lost much... hotlinks to internet base movie merchandise shops, or unimpressive Flash based movie minigames you'll play once and forget about.


By Karandar on 3/26/2008 9:05:18 AM , Rating: 1
Troll post? Knob? What are you people, 10 years old?

I appreciate the genuine discussion from most of you.

Actually yes, I 1st bought a Toshiba HD player and own 20+ HD movies. Blade Runner is excellent in HD It was a great player.

HD lost not because it was the worst product, but because Sony had the deepest pockets. They bought Warner studios support, switching that cinema group from supporting both formats to BR. A steal at an estimated 420 Million dollars...A good, erm, advertising support? Suspiciously close to a bribe...Ah well. It is done...

How well does your PS3 process high fidelity sound into an audio receiver? Does it fit and look decent in an entertainment stand, or sit like a lump on the floor? No thank you. I also build, and use my PC for gaming, and do not care for consoles. The Wii is fun to play with over at my neighbors kids...

As far as who sold more real hd players? The HD group did if you remove the PS3. That was a huge mistake by Microsoft(part of the HD forum) not to include an HD player in every XBox like Sony did with BR. The outcome would have been drastically different now.

I only now have a Samsung UP5000 dual format player because of an exchange program. Some less fortunate child family will get one excellent upconverting Toshiba HD DVD player for free. Complements of Future shop in Canada.

As far as being an early adopter?! This format war is 2+ years old! HD was in its final format.HD Audio works,unlike many BR players. All video and bonus materials work, Ethernet connectivity for extra content from websites like Universal were accessible from your HD DVD player. There was no version1.1 that made many BR movies unviewable by any early purchasers of a ver 1.0 player. God knows what incompatability will come with Ver 2.0 Blue Ray!
HD is, and will remain the more mature, and consumer friendly platform for many months to come. Plain and simple.

I know HD lost. Sony used more advertising, bought loyalty from many companies, and took the risk of integrating the BR player in its game console. It did everything it could to win this battle. Actually very risky behavior, but Sony must be congratulated for what it accomplished so quickly!

It is just unfortunate. And obviously, I have "sucked it up" as buying the best dual player available should demonstrate.

'Nuff said, Kar


RE: So, did the best side really win?
By ninjit on 3/25/2008 6:43:01 PM , Rating: 2
Any "consumer" who spent $800+ on a standalone BD player, instead of paying $400 for a PS3 really didn't do their homework before jumping on the HD bandwagon - I for one have no pity for them.


RE: So, did the best side really win?
By 777 on 3/25/2008 9:43:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Any "consumer" who spent $800+ on a standalone BD player, instead of paying $400 for a PS3 really didn't do their homework before jumping on the HD bandwagon - I for one have no pity for them.


Agreed! And as another post pointed out below in our internet age this bloke could have done his homework and didn't. Even with some of Blu-ray's issues it's still the better format, especially in the long run, which is what this format war I always believed was about. The longevity of a format that will have more to offer. You always pay a price to be a early adopter, doesn't matter what you buy.


By Regs on 3/26/2008 9:29:44 AM , Rating: 2
How about a 99.99 HD player? Other than 20GB more storage space on a Blue Ray disc, there was nothing much the consumer was benefiting from. Basically what we are left with now is Sony selling stand-a-lone Blue Ray players at a high price until 2009 to make up for their loses on the PS3.

I still don't understand how or why Blue Ray won considering how much more expensive it is for both consumer and publisher, but hey, just as long you guys satisfy your egos, it's all good!


By theapparition on 3/26/2008 7:59:06 AM , Rating: 2
Only recently were PS3's $400. Just a year ago, you were still looking to spend $600. Not quite the OP's $800, but not as low as you point out either.

And I paid way over 1k for my Pioneer Elite SA BR Player, with no regrets. My second SA BR player was much cheaper (under $300). I know I'm an early adopter, and such, will have to pay penalties......Like my 3 HD-DVD players ;)


By rninneman on 3/25/2008 6:54:09 PM , Rating: 2
Consumers would have been hosed if HD-DVD had won. Then Toshiba would have a monopoly on hardware and the limited storage capacity would shorten the formats life-span.

Whining on about profiles and DRM is meaningless. Most people don't care about the additional features 1.1 and 2.0 have to offer and the DRM is fully reverse engineered anyway. You are technically breaking the DMCA to rip either format so who cares about BD+ at that point.


By walk2k on 3/25/2008 7:41:53 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah that's 1 way to spin it (if you're a total KNOB).

The other way is to say that the most popular BD player (indeed the most popular HD movie player period) will already be updated to this standard a full TWO WEEKS BEFORE the first titles that take advantage of it are released...


By crazyblackman on 3/25/2008 7:53:48 PM , Rating: 2
Dude. You...are an early adapter. That's the way it goes when you refuse to wait until a standard has been established and that $800 dollars is burning a hole in your big pockets. I bought a $600 launch model ps3. I've NEVER regretted it. It is starting to become the upgradeable state of the art entertainment machine that it was advertised to be. Why would you buy an $800 standalone player when you could have bought something much, much, more worthy. You made your choice. No one forced you to buy it. In this internet age, it's hard to believe people still act uninformed when there is a wealth of information out there to thwart unwise purchases like the one you made. Did you buy an hddvd player too? If not, then get over it.


By Chaser on 3/25/2008 9:51:33 PM , Rating: 2
Lame troll post.


By SavagePotato on 3/26/2008 12:10:16 PM , Rating: 1
I felt so hosed as I sat there watching an arrested development rerun while my ps3 updated itself to full 2.0 compatibility.

So very done wrong by as my $500 game system turned itself into the most up to date player one can have. Curse Sony and their evil free added functionality, the blatant anti consumerists!

Oh wait thats right, only the dumbass consumers that were too stupid to either wait for a profile 2.0 player or get a ps3 got hosed. Cause it was a closely guarded secret that the profile 1.0 players wouldn't magically turn into 2.0 players.


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