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The Nintendo Wii is played less than the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 is played less than the original Xbox

The PlayStation 2 was the most played home video game console of 2008 according to a Nielsen study of trends among Americans. The results of the study were compiled into several top 10 rankings. For video game consoles, Nielsen calculated the usage minutes of all consoles found in the home as a percentage and the PlayStation 2 came out on top at 31.7%.

The Xbox 360 was a distant second at 17.2%, the Nintendo Wii was third at 13.4%, the original Xbox was 9.7% and the PlayStation 3 was at 7.3%. The Nintendo GameCube made the list at 4.6% and the remaining amount was grouped in to the “Other” category and accounted for 16.2%.

Data was measured from January to October 2008. According to Nielsen “other” includes "any other console found in the home" and it appears portable hardware like the Nintendo DS or the Sony PSP were not included in the research.

According to VGChartz, sales estimates the Nintendo Wii has sold 20.85 million units in the U.S. , the Xbox 360 has sold 15.71 million, and the PlayStation 3 has sold 7.43 million. It is interesting to note the Nintendo Wii is played less than the Xbox 360 despite the significant lead in units sold. Another interesting note is the original Xbox still sees more usage than the PlayStation 3 despite the latter being 2 years in to its lifecycle and has a growing list of hit exclusive software titles.

Predictably the Nielsen study also found that World of Warcraft was the most played PC game title of 2008 and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare was second. Old favorites such as the original Sims, Sims 2, and Diablo 2 also made the top ten list.



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How?
By 3kliksphilip on 1/4/2009 5:40:15 PM , Rating: 2
How do they work that out? Online games? sample sizes? I understand that the PS2 can run PS1 games and DVDs as well, but everybody that I know has long forgotten about the PS2 and have replaced them with WII's, Xbox 360's etc. Perhaps there's a massive PS2 cult involved in the sample or something. (I'm not against the PS2, just from personal experience I don't quite understand how it's so popular.)




RE: How?
By mmntech on 1/4/2009 5:44:29 PM , Rating: 3
People sign up to be part of the Nielson surveys. They list what game systems they play and how many hours they play them, then send the information in. It's the same way they calculate TV ratings.

People forget too that there's still a lot of people out there who either can't afford a new console or don't have an HDTV. PS2 also appeals heavily to casual gamers given it's $120 price point and huge game library.


RE: How?
By semo on 1/4/2009 5:57:57 PM , Rating: 2
i thought that for tv ratings they install equipment that tracks viewing habits in volunteers' houses (joe averages of their respective demography).

100+ million plus consoles... someone ought to play them. I am looking to replace my broken ps2 with another one because most of the games on ps3 are more expensive and are sequels of games I haven't finished playing on the ps2 (silent hill, jak, ratchet and clank, gt, colin mcrae). Would be looking for ps3 if it had backwards compatibility.


RE: How?
By sporty81 on 1/4/2009 6:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
I did the TV ratings about a year ago. It was just a paper survey.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 6:24:43 PM , Rating: 2
Did you feel as depressed and non-fulfilled afterwards as you do after playing the PS3?


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By BeastieBoy on 1/6/2009 5:13:27 AM , Rating: 1
You should be banned. Lowest post ever.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:42:10 PM , Rating: 2
No, I turned it off as soon as it updated because it took so long to update I couldn't be bothered to play on it afterwards ;)


RE: How?
By murphyslabrat on 1/4/2009 10:23:03 PM , Rating: 2
So, you can't be bothered to apply updates, eh? How's IE 6 running for you?


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/5/2009 6:13:05 AM , Rating: 3
Read the post correctly and you will see that I DO in fact, update. I just don't play on it afterwards because my mood for playing on it goes.


RE: How?
By semo on 1/4/2009 6:51:25 PM , Rating: 2
i've heard that here in england they've used a box which logs viewing habits but the survey method is obviously the easiest. i haven't heard of anyone having one of those boxes but it is not far fetched when you think we used to have such things as detector vans that can tell if you have a tv and if you are watching a terrestrial channel.

apparently those vans still exist
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/sto...

if you own a tv in england you have to pay for a tv license.


RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 7:06:14 PM , Rating: 5
If you own a TV in england and dont pay tax the thought police come and take you away in the night.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By brenatevi on 1/4/2009 7:46:56 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, they take you away during the day now. Get your facts straight.


RE: How?
By Shmak on 1/5/2009 1:12:16 PM , Rating: 3
Sincere apologies to the Buttle family.

-Ministry of Information


RE: How?
By Samus on 1/4/2009 11:09:40 PM , Rating: 3
I participated in this survey. I signed up in December 2007. The results are on par with what I submitted. I used my PS2 more than anything else because my other console (a Wii) didn't have rock band or guitar hero at the time. My household used the hell out of the PS2 through March-April. I purchased a XBOX 360 as soon as the Arcade model released sometime around March, then we got Rock Band (and later Rock Band 2) for 360. Another game we played a lot on 360 was Soul Calibur 4 (August-September) and many XBOX live multiplayer games like Bomberman, Worms, Tetris, etc.

We used the Wii very little for most of 2008 because nothing significant was released for it aside from Smash Bros. However, one of my roommates uses it excluseively because she likes the simplicity and party aspect.

Overall, though, PS2 offered the lowest cost-of-entry into the Guitar Hero/Rockband community, and thats why in my case it was so heavily used.


RE: How?
By RamarC on 1/5/2009 10:24:14 AM , Rating: 2
in the largest markets (about the top 50), meters are used. meters 'read' the channel/source being viewed and distinguish the person(s) watching. in smaller markets, paper surveys are used.

even though i used to work nielsen, i always found their methodology flawed since anyone who would let them install the meter (which is very invasive) and monitor their viewing is a bit crazy and thus the ratings are skewed by folks who aren't like most of us.

when a different nielsen division started doing internet ratings using a meter system, their data indicated that porn sites were the most visited by ages 6-12 between 2am-9am. keep that in mind when evaluating their data.


RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By Flunk on 1/4/2009 5:48:28 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, sure. Most of the people I know own a PS2 but only a few own either an PS3 or Xbox 360. There are a lot of people who don't care about graphics or don't care enough to spend $300+ on a new system when their PS2 still works.

My Gamecube still gets some play too, but they're built like rocks and will probably last until long after we no longer care.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By Samus on 1/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: How?
By rudolphna on 1/5/09, Rating: 0
RE: How?
By DASQ on 1/5/2009 1:09:09 PM , Rating: 2
Heh, trick question, people already don't care about the Game Cube.


RE: How?
By ShaolinSoccer on 1/5/2009 9:41:46 PM , Rating: 2
Gamecube is awesome. Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader and Soul Caliber 2 with Zelda's Link FOR THE WIN! :)


RE: How?
By Gyres01 on 1/5/2009 4:48:04 PM , Rating: 2
I play the heck out of my 360 but our PS 2 hooked with a component cable looks pretty good, and the kids love buying 5 dollars used games....


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 5:54:17 PM , Rating: 5
You obviously own a PS3 to make up for the fact you have a small penis. That is why you have to brag about how many cores it has and how well it can play the most overrated game ever, gta. You lot are all the same. I bet you make love to your PS3 coz your too ugly to get a girlfriend.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 6:13:47 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder what cashcow sony are going to be releasing in a couple of years time. PS4 did I hear you say? It doesnt sound like its only microsoft that are recycling the same old console over and over again. At least the next ms console will be out in half the time and you wont have to wait a year or to for some half decent games to come out on it.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 6:29:33 PM , Rating: 2
Tiger Woods PGA Tour '07? You really do suck dont you! I bet you love pretending to play with Tiger's balls.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By StevoLincolnite on 1/5/2009 3:01:34 AM , Rating: 2
# 115GFLOPS Theoretical Peak Performance for 360 CPU
# 218GFLOPS Theoretical Peak Performance for PS3 CPU.

And thanks to the efficiency of the 360 GPU’s unified shader architecture and this 10MB of EDRAM the GPU is able to achieve 4XFSAA at no performance cost. ATI and Microsoft’s goal was to eliminate memory bandwidth as a bottleneck and they seem to have succeeded. If there are any pc gamers out there they notice that when they turn on things such as AA or HDR the performance goes down that’s because those features eat bandwidth hence the efficiency of the GPU’s operation decreases as they are turned on. With the 360 HDR+4XAA simultaneously are like nothing to the GPU with proper use of the EDRAM. The EDRAM contains a 3D logic unit which has 192 Floating Point Unit processors inside. The logic unit will be able to exchange data with the 10MB of RAM at 2 Terabits a second. Things such as antialiasing, computing z depths or occlusion culling can happen on the EDRAM without impacting the GPU’s workload.

Xenos writes to this EDRAM for its framebuffer and it’s connected to it via a 32GB/sec connection (this number is extremely close to the theoretical because the EDRAM is right there on the 360 GPU’s daughter die.) Don’t forget the EDRAM has a bandwidth of 256GB/s and its only by dividing this 256GB/s by the initial 32GB/s that we get from the connection of Xenos to the EDRAM we find out that Xenos is capable of multiplying its effective bandwidth to the frame buffer by a factor of 8 when processing pixels that make use of the EDRAM, which includes HDR or AA and other things. This leads to a maximum of 32*8=256GB/s which, to say the least, is a very effective way of dealing with bandwidth intensive tasks.

In order for this to be possible developers would need to setup their rendering engine to take advantage of both the EDRAM and the available onboard 3D logic. If anyone is confused why the 32GB/s is being multiplied by 8 its because once data travels over the 32GB/s bus it is able to be processed 8 times by the EDRAM logic to the EDRAM memory at a rate of 256GB/s so for every 32GB/s you send over 256GB/s gets processed. This results in RSX being at a bandwidth disadvantage in comparison to Xenos. Needless to say the 360 not only has an overabundance of video memory bandwidth, but it also has amazing memory saving features. For example to get 720P with 4XFSAA on traditional architecture would require 28MB worth of memory. On the 360 only 16MB is required. There are also features in the 360's Direct3D API where developers are able to fit 2 128x128 textures into the same space required for one, for example. So even with all the memory and all the memory bandwidth, they are still very mindful of how it’s used.

The 360 GPU has 48 unified pipelines capable of accepting either pixel or vertex shader operations whereas with the older dedicated pixel and vertex pipeline architecture that RSX uses when you are in a vertex heavy situation most of the 24 pixel pipes go idle instead of helping out with vertex work.

Or on the flip side in a pixel heavy situation those 8 vertex shader pipelines are just idle and don’t help out the pixel pipes (because they aren’t able to), but with the 360’s unified architecture in a vertex heavy situation for example none of the pipes go idle. All 48 unified pipelines are capable of helping with either pixel or vertex shader operations when needed so as a result efficiency is greatly improved and so is overall performance. When pipelines are forced to go idle because they lack the capability to help another set of pipelines accomplish their task it’s detrimental to performance.

1080p is not a smart resolution to target in any form this generation, but if 360 developers wanted to get serious about 1080p, thanks to Xenos, could actually outperform the ps3 in 1080p. (The less efficient GPU always shows its weaknesses against the competition in higher resolutions so the best way for the rsx to be competitive is to stick to 720P) In vertex shader limited situations the 360’s gpu will literally be 6 times faster than RSX. With a unified shader architecture things are much more efficient than previous architectures allowed (which is extremely important). The 360’s GPU for example is 95-99% efficient with 4XAA enabled. With traditional architecture there are design related roadblocks that prevent such efficiency. To avoid such roadblocks, which held back previous hardware, the 360 GPU design team created a complex system of hardware threading inside the chip itself. In this case, each thread is a program associated with the shader arrays. The Xbox 360 GPU can manage and maintain state information on 64 separate threads in hardware. There's a thread buffer inside the chip, and the GPU can switch between threads instantaneously in order to keep the shader arrays busy at all times.


RE: How?
By StevoLincolnite on 1/5/2009 3:09:50 AM , Rating: 3
Wrong numbers I used there.

It's:
1.8 Teraflops for the PS3 GPU.
1 Teraflops for the Xbox 360 GPU, information prior still stands. (I require an edit button!)


RE: How?
By DPigs on 1/5/2009 12:40:13 PM , Rating: 2
-1 for cutting and pasting a wall of text.


RE: How?
By makius on 1/4/2009 7:24:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I bet you love pretending to play with Tiger's balls.


Obviously, I mean you would have to be gay not to.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:57:19 PM , Rating: 2
3 of the 4 games you listed are also available on other platforms.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 8:00:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You just answered your own question. Think of the PS3 as The Sims, and the Xbox series as the expansion packs. You don't get a lot for your money so you have to keep buying more and more, hence why they come out on a more regular basis.


It's called customisation, so you can buy the parts you want and leave the rest, resulting in a cheaper console. Unlike the PS3 which just throws everything imaginable into it at a very hefty price.

In this economic climate, I think i'd go with the former


RE: How?
By Diesel Donkey on 1/4/2009 10:28:11 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
You speled 'two' wrong.


Classic.


RE: How?
By semo on 1/4/2009 6:01:18 PM , Rating: 2
me thinks you 2 trolls should get a room


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 6:08:37 PM , Rating: 1
I don't need a PS3 because I had your mum last night.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:18:04 PM , Rating: 2
@ FaceMaster

The PS3 needs 7 cores to make up for that crappy 256MB RAM it has. Also bear in mind it has a much inferior GPU than the Xbox 360. It also has and that snail-pace Blu-Ray drive which forces you to install about 3GB of the game onto your hard drive which is absolutely ridiculous. And updates?! Don't get me started on those things! Last but not least, the PS3 is the most complicated for software developers to program games for out of all the current generation of consoles, resulting in developers releasing their games on other platforms. You think you have the better console. I say think again.

A PS3 is just a HTPC in a chrome case. I want a games console, I already have a PC!


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 6:36:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
quote:
forces you to install about 3GB of the game onto your hard drive


I installed more than 3gb in your mum last night!


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:43:48 PM , Rating: 4
You are a virgin!


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 6:48:00 PM , Rating: 2
oh so my Mum had a better time than your Mum last night? Good. Your family is a TOTAL fail.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:49:16 PM , Rating: 2
You really are pathetic. I bet you have a load of biased stats bookmarked so you are ready for silly little arguments like this.

I bet people are reading this an laughing at you.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By StevoLincolnite on 1/5/2009 3:17:30 AM , Rating: 5
Xbox 360 and PC's don't need dedicated Vertex Shaders, that's what "Unified" shaders are for in this day and age!

Bump Mapping? part of the Direct X 9 spec.

High Polygon Models? They have been claiming that for years, and they just KEEP getting more and more complex.

However, the Xbox 360 has an advantage with highly complex models with allot of Polygons, that particular technology is also known as the: "ATI Tessellation Engine".

Which in turn allows a developer to take a simple polygon mesh and subdivide it based on a curved surface evaluation function, with different tessellation forms as Bézier surfaces with N-patches, B-splines and NURBS, and even some subdivision surface techniques, which usually comes with a displacement map texture. Essentially, this allows a simple, low-polygon model to be increased dramatically in polygon density in real-time with minimized performance loss.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:46:57 PM , Rating: 2
We're talking about HD here. 256MB RAM doesn't quite cut 1080p, hence the crappy 720p on most games, no matter how fast it is! It's like a cheetah and a truck.

The cheetah can run up to 80 odd MPH but it cant carry a hravy load on it's back and still do 80, whereas the truck can do 60 and stay at 60 with a heavy load in the back.

Yeah you're right, it's ahead of it's time,. but when did anything ahead of it's time ever succeed?


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:50:55 PM , Rating: 1
About PC's installing games, that was my point idiot!

I don't want another PC, I want a games console.

So what if it has the most advanced hardware. The Wii is absolutely kicking it's ass in sales.

When did the highest spec console ever win the battle?
NEVER!

PS3=FAIL!


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:01:58 PM , Rating: 4
I have a PS3. I don't find it any different to my sisters Xbox 360.

You obviously have never tried any other console apart from the PS3 hence your very biased and small-minded opinions.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:28:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, I'm not biased because I don't have any of the consoles.


Then why post your dribble just because the PS3 looks best on paper?


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:39:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, I'm not biased because I don't have any of the consoles.


quote:
I have a PS3


Then why say you have one?


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:07:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh dear. You're suffering from 'Yes I admit you're right but it doesn't matter because... I don't care!'


Just because you THINK you're right, it doesn't mean you ARE


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/2009 7:20:44 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Just because you THINK you're right, it doesn't mean you ARE


Yeah, that's just what I said to you.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:27:18 PM , Rating: 1
I don't think i'm right. It's called a debate. You're just making it one-sided with all your dribble about the paper-specs of the PS3.

I don't care how the PS3 looks on paper to be quite honest, I want a console I can enjoy, and the PS3 gives me that, for about 10 minutes!


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:47:39 PM , Rating: 2
Ok then, you win, if that helps you to sleep at night.

You're ovbiously very young.

You have a lot to learn about life.

I have to go. I have work in the morning.

You better get to sleep too. You probably have school in the morning.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/2009 7:48:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
ovbiously


You spelt obviously wrong ;)


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:53:33 PM , Rating: 2
Typo. Can't edit ;)

Must dash


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/2009 7:56:50 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, I think you should. A grown man should have better things to do than argue with somebody from 'school'. You must feel really proud of yourself, arguing with a 'child' for two hours, losing, then excusing that by having work the next day. Night! (Oh, you are American, you dissed English people in another post, and... what's this?! You're going to bed at 9 in the evening? OR EARLIER? Sounds like an exciting life. Or maybe you have a double life, like Batman, Fart Master or something)


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 8:05:48 PM , Rating: 1
I meant to put I live in England before you start your dribble about my typo's


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 8:23:46 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't arguing how bad it was, unlike your one-sided opinions. I was merely debating what you posted. I only bought the damn thing because I got a discount ;)

LOL! YOU made me sign up to this site?! Hillarious! That just goes to show what a small-minded idiot you are. You must think the entire world revolves around you.

Read back on everything posted, you will find you're the FAIL. If you don't everyone else will.

You're obviously an expert at this "arguing" you must sit at your computer day-in day-out arguing until people leave. Would you like a gold star for your efforts?
I may have debated for two hours, but only because I wanted to. You didn't force me to do anything, fool.
You drove everyone away with your dribble. You must have lots of friends.
How nice for you.
Argue alone.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/2009 8:32:17 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I may have debated for two hours, but only because I wanted to. You didn't force me to do anything, fool.


Masters at arguing make it appear their victim isn't being forced. But they try to move away and.. OH NO! Lets check one last time before I go to bed- oh dear, a response! MUST STAY UP! (That's what she told me to do last night ;)

quote:
Read back on everything posted, you will find you're the FAIL. If you don't everyone else will.


Lets see... every comment you've ever written has been in response to mine, in some form or another ;)

quote:
Would you like a gold star for your efforts?


Thanks. I'll add it to my collection.

Have a good day, sir!


RE: How?
By rudolphna on 1/6/2009 1:50:44 PM , Rating: 2
hahahah dumbutt. The graphics card in the PS3 is roughly equivalent to 2 Geforce 6600GTs in SLi. in other words- crap. My single 4670 will walk all over SLid 6600s.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/6/2009 2:33:08 PM , Rating: 2
Well it's based on the Geforce 7900 architecture, so you're basically right, it is crap!

It's true it's processor walks all over anything available at this moment in time, but nothing a Skulltrail 2x 3.2GHz Core 2 Quad QX9750's and Tri Sli GTX 280's wouldn't beat the crap out of.

For the technology/price ratio, it can't be beaten, although those silly sods at Sony are making a loss on every PS3 sold.

Anyone with any knowledge of hardware and games whatsoever will know that games are more GPU dependant than CPU.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/6/2009 2:38:39 PM , Rating: 2
It's based on the 7800 architecture. Typo ;)


RE: How?
By coldpower27 on 1/8/2009 1:15:18 AM , Rating: 2
It isn't anything special anymore now obviously. But back in 2005-2006 era the Geforce 7 Series and the Radeon X1K were the new stuff.

PS3's Cell Processor, can't be compared to X-86 general purpose processors. It has 1 central core and 7 mini cores, unlike the PC's where all 4 Cores or all 8 Cores in the case of a Skulltrail based system are identical and general purpose.

Obviously the best PC from the current time is going to crush what is available on the consoles since they have been out for over 2 years in the case of the PS3 and 3 for the 360.

Yeah that's a nice perk of owning a console all the hardware is subsidized. So it's has great technology/price ratio.

For most games that tends to be the case, only a small handful have it the opposite way.


RE: How?
By coldpower27 on 1/8/2009 1:05:02 AM , Rating: 2
PS3's RSX is basically a 7950 GT give or take, without as much memory bandwidth.

As for the 4670 comment, duh, that came out in 2008, and is based on considerably more advanced technology. PS3's GPU is from the Year 2006. Of course it's going to slaughter the PS3 RSX. A Single 4670 or 9600 GT will walk over not only the PS3's RSX but also the XBox 360 GPU.


RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 6:09:56 PM , Rating: 1
troll? you are speaking about your mum again are you?


RE: How?
By Dark Legion on 1/5/2009 12:37:53 AM , Rating: 2
Me thinks they are the same person...or at least know each other well


RE: How?
By sporty81 on 1/4/2009 6:11:15 PM , Rating: 2
7 cores doesn't mean its faster. 7 slow computers are not necessarily faster than 2 fast ones.

Quantity vs quality...

I'm not saying the 360 is faster, just that your logic is flawed.

If the game runs in HD at 30 frames per second, it doesn't matter which console is faster.


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 6:18:16 PM , Rating: 3
Your mum is only quantity. No quality.


RE: How?
By StevoLincolnite on 1/5/2009 3:22:58 AM , Rating: 2
Actually the Xbox 360 was ahead of it's time, It had a triple core processor and a GPU with unified shaders.

Which I might add was on the market before anything mainstream that was equivalent to it in the PC space came alone. (Radeon 2xxx and Geforce 8xxx as well as AMD/Intels Triple/Quad Core chips).


RE: How?
By rudolphna on 1/6/2009 1:52:58 PM , Rating: 2
yeah but that tri core processor was in-order like a PPC CPU. Granted each core was capable of multi threading, but that still make it slower than a Dual Core Out-of-order E7300.


RE: How?
By Spoelie on 1/4/2009 6:18:07 PM , Rating: 2
RE: How?
By carl0ski on 1/4/2009 7:16:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, homeless people play Xbox games. PS3 is the way to go if you have any money. It has 7 cores to its processor, making it almost twice as fast as the most expensive PCs you can get. Just look at how well GTA4 runs on it, and with higher settings than the Xbox360 to boot!


Defintely the most bizarre comment i have read for a while.

Undoubtedly you are very young.
In business developers build to lowest common denominator.
Xbox 360 may be less powerful however that makes it the lowest denominator.

Build games that will run on Xbox 360 and then port its quality line to PS3.

Aka PS3 is limited by the power of Xbox 360


RE: How?
By StevoLincolnite on 1/5/2009 3:26:48 AM , Rating: 2
I have to agree, allot of "Mainstream" PC games actually target the Intel based IGP's for maximum sales and effort for the developers. (Spore anyone?)

Plus last generation the reverse was true, minus a few titles on the Xbox 1 camp, most titles were built on the PS2 and then ported over, now the reverse is happening.

I also find it funny how he states only the "Homeless" buy the Xbox 360, when most arguments I see state that with an Xbox, you have to pay for Xbox Live to play online! and that it is a waste of money, surely the homeless don't want to waste money now do they?


RE: How?
By AWeav09 on 1/4/2009 9:31:20 PM , Rating: 2
Obvious troll is obvious.


RE: How?
By Omega215D on 1/4/2009 9:46:42 PM , Rating: 2
Actually a lot of gaming sites say that the XBOX 360 runs GTA IV better than the PS3, aside from slowdown moments there's also the issue with graphical popups with the PS3.

I play the game on my PC and it runs fairly smooth despite having a dual core Opteron and GTX 260. As for a game being overrated that's how you feel about it but not me, I enjoy it quite a bit.


RE: How?
By Murloc on 1/4/2009 6:28:11 PM , Rating: 2
many people I know got the ps2, everyone got it, some got the new ones, but the vast majority of ppl not.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:29:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's impossible- the PS3 is better than real life.


That sums it all up. You have no life.


RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 6:31:45 PM , Rating: 2
My life is bumming your mum 24/7


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:33:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Suck on that, fanboy!


I think it's quite clear to everyone that it's YOU who is the fanboy. So get that PS3 out of your ass and get a life!


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/2009 6:34:43 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You have no life.


Umm... I have a PS3 which is BETTER than real life! What do you do? Play Solitaire on your PC 24/7 like this guy does?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=csoMIIMlWD0

Or do you wank over your Xbox360 as it RRODs in your general direction? I bet you do. You filthy person. Go get a life and buy a PS3.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:39:51 PM , Rating: 2
Right then, lets look at the stats. I have friends with both Xbox 360's and PS3's. Out of all of my friends, I have known just 2 Xbox 360's go wrong compared to the 6 PS3's! 2 of which belonged to the same person, he is now on his third!

Another fact is probably because Xbox 360's actually get played on as this article states, unlike PS3's which are just shiny ornaments.

Is it really?

In your pathetic life it probably is better. Theres only one word that sums you up, my friend......

Virgin!


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:41:46 PM , Rating: 2
@ FYI, I have a PS3, and it never gets used.

You wanna talk about power consumption. Go and do your homework idiot. The PS3 consumes the most power out of all of the consoles.


RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 6:49:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Virgin!


Something your mum is far from. I know I experienced it last night!


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:53:37 PM , Rating: 1
FAIL!

Sony rely on stupid idiots like you for it's marketing strategy because it can't produce an advert for shit!


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/2009 7:16:33 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
FAIL! Sony rely on stupid idiots like you for it's marketing strategy because it can't produce an advert for shit!


You're arguing with a PS3 hater there. Is there ANY ONE you get along with?


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:34:00 PM , Rating: 2
I'm no PS3 hater. I wouldn't own one otherwise.

I do, in fact get along with many people. It's you telling everyone you had their mums. Hardly friendly


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/2009 6:52:52 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
2 of which belonged to the same person, he is now on his third!


He sounds like a devoted PS3 owner, using it 24/7. Otherwise, why would he buy a third if the previous 2 broke?

quote:
Another fact is probably because Xbox 360's actually get played on as this article states, unlike PS3's which are just shiny ornaments.


Shiny ornaments with faster hardware, better games and a superior controller. And for your information the PS2 is played far more than the Xbox360. In about 3-4 year's time the PS3 will be in the same situation. You mark my words. Sony has the upper hand in the budget and high end market. Nobody else can touch them.

quote:
Virgin!


Yes, that is what you are to the amazing experience that is the PS3. Plus you're also arguing on this forum- only unlike me, who is arguing because he is right, you're arguing to try and convince yourself that the Xbox360 was the better purchase. I hope this makes you break down in tears as you realise that you were wrong and that your Mummy and Daddy bought you the inferior console. Total Fail.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 6:58:55 PM , Rating: 1
You are really funny considering I DONT own an Xbox 360. No, my point is little, small minded idiots like you think that everything Sony do is a godsend! You would actually fuck it if it was physically possible, but with the size of your penise it probably is possible to shove it in the air vents.

Stop crying because PS3 is a fail and it needs people like you to try and "prove" it's better.

I dont think anybody gives a flying fuck about faster hardware, the PS1 and PS2 both proved that!

No, actually, he barely uses his PS3, just the occasional game of CoD 4

I won't break down in tears, becuse unlike you, my life doesnt revolve around a games console


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:04:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And for your information the PS2 is played far more than the Xbox360


And the Xbox 360 is played far more than the PS3


RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/2009 7:06:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yay xbox360 ftw


RE: How?
By FaceMaster on 1/4/2009 7:06:50 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You would actually fuck it if it was physically possible


Who says I don't ;)

Air Vents are large enough to crawl in, and for my penis it's a fairly good fit. So is your Mum.

quote:
I won't break down in tears, becuse unlike you, my life doesnt revolve around a games console


quote:
No, actually, he barely uses his PS3, just the occasional game of CoD 4


Wow, even better. He's bought 3 PlayStation 3's just to play this game occasionally? That either shows that your friend is stupid or that the PS3 really is so amazing it's worth anything just to play anything on it. Reply... then get your friend to look at this topic :P


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:09:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So is your Mum.


FAIL

Yeah you're right, he is stupid.

He uses it nowadays mainly for surfing the web.
Defeats the object of it being a games console, dont you think?


RE: How?
By carl0ski on 1/4/2009 7:10:09 PM , Rating: 2
3 probable logical reason

1. some people cannot afford a new Console Xbox 360, Wii
2. Singstar is extremely popular and available only on PS2 and PS3.
3. PS2 unlike the others is still very easy to use pirated games which compounds reason 1.


RE: How?
By peterfile09 on 1/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:15:01 PM , Rating: 2
He's just one of those people who thinks the most expensive and most advanced = best.

He's obviously got a lot to learn about life.


RE: How?
By themaster08 on 1/4/2009 7:51:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the PlayStation 3 is played less than the original Xbox


Considering the original Xbox only sold 24 million, of which most have probably sold theirs or no longer use them, i'd say that's quite pathetic, wouldn't you?


RE: How?
By StevoLincolnite on 1/5/2009 3:31:07 AM , Rating: 2
It's still more sales that the PS3 though, so the number games do have a slight bit of logic behind them.


RE: How?
By coldpower27 on 1/8/2009 1:22:08 AM , Rating: 2
1. I think this is the primary reason, cost the PS2 is in the 120 CAN range, very cheap compared to the 270 CAN Wii or the 200 CAN 360. And less then a 1/3 of the 400 CAN PS3.

2. Possibly... but I don't really think so.

3. Well, you can mod your Wii or 360... but this can be linked to reason 1 I guess.

I would say overall it's just install base, and it's good enough...for casual gaming.


RE: How?
By Ralos on 1/4/2009 9:01:39 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Perhaps there's a massive PS2 cult involved in the sample or something. (I'm not against the PS2, just from personal experience I don't quite understand how it's so popular.)


The PS2 installed base is at about 160 millions units compared to 25 millions XBox 360.

That statistic alone pretty much explains the results. I'm pretty sure the total software sold in 2008 is still high for PS2 titles.

I personally only just bought my first seventh generation console (a PS3) and this didn't prevent me from using my PS2 a lot in 2008 (various DDRs and Singstars mainly), and I'll still do in 2009 if only for these games.

The real surprise for me are the Wii numbers.


RE: How?
By coldpower27 on 1/8/2009 1:25:41 AM , Rating: 2
I thin kit kinda makes sense... while there are more Wii, they are used much more casually like 20-30 min here or there vs longer sessions on the more hardcore gamer consoles like PS3 or 360...


RE: How?
By Hiawa23 on 1/5/2009 11:38:19 AM , Rating: 2
Just looking at the numbers, the PS2 has over 115million consoles sold & everyone hasn't made the jump to this gen so, I would assume that it probably would be the most played console, but honestly this number to me seems kind of meaningless. Although, I own a PS2, I might have turned it on maybe 5 times total last year, & pretty done with the low res, bad looking games that make up most of it's library. I was done with it when this gen started, but I can see how it could be the most played console given it's huge userbase, don't really care about the number which like I said seems to mean absolutely nothing to me.


I swear, you all are a buncha kids...
By Crysalis99 on 1/4/2009 9:18:19 PM , Rating: 4
A story about the PS2, and yet all you trolls for the PS3 vs. 360 debate. I swear. You pre-pubescent children need to stop clogging the intrawebs. I own a 360. I love the thing to death. I was once a Sony fan boy (and a Nintendo fan boy before the PS1) but now I am a MS gaming fan boy. Why? Not because it is graphically superior or more powerful but because it simply has the games I wanted. And I am sure it will change again next gen.

However I can, and do recognize that the PS3 is a very powerful machine and I give Sony props for really trying to make an advancement in computing with it. Its just sad it is kind of ahead of its time. If Sony doesn't pick up the slack this gen, they'll learn from their mistakes and dominate next...

But that aside, the PS2 the leader? I can kind of see that...especially the poorer sector. Extremely affordable since it still isn't obsolete at this age. Hell, from time to time I still pick up my old consoles to play some older games.




By Solidsnake07 on 1/4/2009 9:31:01 PM , Rating: 2
thank you lord!!! someone who agreeded with me! and those guys probable loged off since they looked like a bunch of idiots lol.


RE: I swear, you all are a buncha kids...
By Sanity on 1/5/2009 1:25:41 AM , Rating: 2
They probably are kids. People should need a liscense to use the internets. One you can't get till your mentally older than 16.

Anyway, I own (or have owned) everything but a Wii, but I really only forked out the extra dough for the Blu-Ray aspect of the PS3 when I got my new tv. I spend way more gaming time playing my 360, but I use the PS3 enough between games and movies to easily tie it. Actually, I've been playing PS2 games on my PS3 lately, so I wonder how they'd categorize that? And I agree that the PS3 was ahead of it's time. Sony could have put out a product that was technically on par with the 360 (and more reliable) but they probably figured getting Blu-Ray to the market now was more important to their company. I'm glad they did. I LOVE watching blu-ray movies.

As for next gen, wow, I think it's going to be a long time before Sony is pushing PS4's. There's still a lot of room to improve the games on the current hardware.


RE: I swear, you all are a buncha kids...
By Crysalis99 on 1/5/2009 2:01:39 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, wholeheartedly agree about the license thing.

But yeah, being a near broke college student, my money can only go so far. I am not a casual gamer, I am not a Halo nut. I do like all types of games but my #1 favorite genre is RPG's. Even though at the time, Final Fantasy XIII hadn't gone multi. platform (which, ok if there is one thing I am biased over, it is that series. Grew up on the first one in '86 and still love to play them..even if the quality of them have gone down lately), I noticed the 360 seemed to be the console that was taking over that market (aside from the DS).

Especially, with Mistwalker making Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, trying to push the 360 in Japan a little bit more. But anyways sorry for the tangent, I would LOVE to get a PS3 just for BD. Got a new 1080i TV I would love to take advantage of. :sigh: Somewhere down the road I will get a PS3, or just a stand alone player.

My biggest fear of getting a PS3 is that I will just never use it, and whoops $500 I prolly will never fully recover. And yes, an Xbox 720 or PS4 isn't coming around anytime soon, and Sony still has a chance to start doing things right and pull out better than they currently are doing.

Sorry about the long post but I do have a gripe I would like to get out. Nintendo systems have always been family friendly. Just about every other thing have been meant for more hardcore gamers. WTF is up with the 360 and PS3 trying to attract that casual gamer demographic? The new XBL interface sucks compared to the Blade interface, trying to copy the WII IMO and the PSN Home? Leave the Sim's or Second Life things as a secondary option and stop trying to make it primary. Its almost like they are forgetting us hardcore gamers and going for the casual gamers...


RE: I swear, you all are a buncha kids...
By afkrotch on 1/5/2009 11:13:12 AM , Rating: 2
You do know that Playstation Home is just an app on the PS3. It's not the interface. You go into it, chat with others, play mini-games in the bowling alley, buy clothing/apts/furniture for your avatar, and maybe sit in the movie theatre watching trailers. The PS3 uses the XMB for your interface needs.

The XBL interface now blows goats. It's more cumbersome to navigate compared to the old blade interface. The blades works well. Sure, it was covered in adverts, but at least it was more simple.

If you're into RPGs, the PS3 would be the prime choice. The problem though, is the fact that majority of the RPGs out there for the PS3 and even the Xbox 360 are Japanese only.


By Crysalis99 on 1/5/2009 1:43:16 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, you got me on Home. But still. Just doesnt feel the same.

And actually, you're statement about rpg's isn't all that true. The 360 has about a dozen more (give or take) rpg's for it than the PS3. Dont believe me? Go to a dedicated RPG site like rpgamer.com or go to gamefaqs.com and compare the list of rpg's for each console. I know the DS really takes the winner right now but we are just comparing the two juggernauts here.

And again, half of those rpg's wouldnt be seeing the light of day on the PS3 if they hadnt gone multiplatofrm. Ok I think it is safe to say alot of games would be that way.

Now that isn't to say the PS3 say a few good exclusives because Final FFXIII vs. (which wouldn't surprise me if that goes multi-platform if XII and Star Ocean 4 sell well on the 360) and White Knight Chronicles sure look tempting.


...wow...
By Solidsnake07 on 1/4/2009 9:16:42 PM , Rating: 2
I've been reading your guys' little dispute for the past 15 minutes and come to a conclusion...you're both idiots...i can't believe you guys are honestly fighting over this. you're both a disgrace to gamers on all platforms(even little wii)! Honestly the dam consols are practically the same preformance wise obvious differences be the storage capacity on blue ray beating that of hi-cap DVD's, the ps3's processor being pretty fast at that lovely 3.2 GHz, and the substantially easier to use home interface. I mean in the XBOX 360's defense it is easier to develope for considering more readily available technology and standard technology, the fact that the online network is far more developed(although you won't find me paying that fking subscription fee if i ever do get one), and quite frankly the fact that it's just fun to play on. it comes down more to preference than to actual ability, because you gotta ask yourself the question of what kind of fanboy are you. But really unless you guys are getting paid but the financially troubled sony corperation, or that demonic monopoly know as microsoft you really shouldn't waste the remainder of you meaningless lives fighting over which consol is better. honestly when it comes down to it in a couple years both companies are just gonna release something better-thats how technology works, and thats how these companies make money in the first place(no duhh!!!). so seriously stop it guys and go read another article or something. and yeah i know the XBOX guys is gonna get off on how my names solidsnake07, but you know what suck it!!!! i like the friggin series and its one of the reasons im even gonna buy a PS3! I've played both consols, extensivly ok? and they both got something going for em. but you know what?...i got the money so ima go get me a PS3 and start fragging people on COD4 ust the way i like it!! Solid snake FTW!!!!!




RE: ...wow...
By Dark Legion on 1/5/2009 1:05:20 AM , Rating: 2
If you had actually read their little dispute a little more carefully you would realize that they are most likely the same person, and if not they know each other very well. (Consider 2 of the 3 people just created their username today) And it sorta takes away from your point when you argue with them.


RE: ...wow...
By just4U on 1/5/2009 2:49:58 AM , Rating: 2
The thing is ... why even bother reading it? I started out at the top and started scrolling faster and faster just catching periodic "Your Mom" lines.. as I went down the list.

Anwyway. On topic it shouldn't surprise people that the PS2 is still on top. Lot of games kicking about for that still. Im curious, I am however curious. I wonder if the "OTHER" (16%) possibly included computer gaming. Im sure some probably meant that when they were part of the rating.


Compatibility
By MonkeyPaw on 1/5/2009 7:44:22 AM , Rating: 3
Maybe Sony should have kept the backward compatibility in the PS3 after all. Sure, they'll tell you that people can use their PS2 to play old titles (and apparently they are), but if the PS3 could still do that, it would make the transition easier for these people. Right now, if your PS2 breaks, you either have to get another one if you still want to play those old games, or you have to go searching for an old PS3.




RE: Compatibility
By ShaolinSoccer on 1/5/2009 9:27:54 PM , Rating: 2
The old PS3 had a problem of making the PS2 games look worse. Or that's what I read at least. And I agree with you about the PS3 should've had PS2 compatibility til this day. If you ask me, if Sony knew the Bluray was gonna win the high def war, they would've probably kept Bluray out of the PS3 and not only make the PS3 cheaper but also make it to where you could play PS2 games with the same graphics as the PS2. Then again, the PS3 uses Bluray disks that hold a lot more information so I guess no matter what, they needed to make it a Bluray player. This article says it doesn't include the PSP or Nintendo DS. That's kinda funny considering I play my PSP more than anything lol. There's something magical about holding this tiny device in your hands that is basically just as good as a PS2, if not better. I LOVE my PSP lol. I'm probably typing all this for nothing. Noone will ever read this because there are too many posts in this thread and Dailytech won't send me an email to let me know someone replied lol. Oh well...


soiled brats
By Soundgardener on 1/5/2009 4:07:59 AM , Rating: 3
You kids don't appreciate the classics. Arguing about your whizz bang kilohertz processors fast enough to cook eggs on, but you haven't even mastered Pac Man, or Simon Says. Or even played it! Like listening to The Cure without ever having heard The Beatles. You have no frame of reference...you're like a child, walking into the cinema half-way through The Big Lebowski.

PAY YOUR DUES. There's nothing you can't do with a Sega Mastersystem, cassette tape of Frampton Comes Alive and half oz that you can with a cutting edge console.




Not surprising
By shaw on 1/5/2009 9:03:05 AM , Rating: 3
Companies still make quality PS2 games, Persona 4 anybody?




My own personal list
By cbmeeks on 1/5/2009 8:05:42 AM , Rating: 2
I'm a collector of "vintage" consoles and computers. So for me it was (least to most):

N64
Atari 2600
TurboGrafx 16 (Bonk)
PS1
Sega Master System
NES
SNES
Genesis




FACEMASTER IS PLAYSTATIONTHREE
By rudolphna on 1/5/2009 3:59:26 PM , Rating: 2
This is kind of related to the discussion going on in the comments. If you have been paying attention to his horrible posts, and his comments on how the ps3 is great, I swear to god, Facemaster IS Playstationthree under a different username to furuther spread his freakin obnoxious bs.




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