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Pirate Bay officials think it is the overzealous Swedish government officials that will be walking the legal plank

The Pirate Bay's enemies are circling it like a pack of hungry sharks, waiting for it to slip. First there is the Swedish government assault, led by prosecutor Håkan Roswall, who seeks to press charges against The Pirate Bay before January 31, 2008.  The planned charges will be against multiple pirate bay admins for allegedly supporting copyright infringement on a massive scale.

On top of the Swedish government, The Pirate Bay has the rock funkster Prince (formerly known as the Artist formerly known as Prince), showering Purple Rain on The Pirate Bay's parade of piracy.  The colorful icon announced that he was going to "reclaim the internet" by attacking The Pirate Bay, eBay, and YouTube, which he sees as a triad of sinister copyright infringement.  The royal rocker is not going it alone either; he has enlisted the help of internet guns-for-hire Web Sheriff and Web Sheriff president John Giacobbi in its bid to take down these three offenders.

Completing its array of enemies is the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, who is rather nonplussed over The Pirate Bay's domain name takeover of ifpi.com.  They have filed an official complaint with domain name arbitrator World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), in hopes of reclaiming their lost bounty, and are mulling over additional legal action against the site.  The Pirate Bay faces a heady battle against the WIPO complaint, as the IFPI works closely with the WIPO and both organizations cite close cooperation on their respective webpages.  The IFPI insist that this feel good friendship will not affect the status of the complaint, as the WIPO will allegedly use impartial legal and knowledgeable professional counsel to make its decision.

Not so says The Pirate Bay admin Peter Sunde, one of the two people currently named in the pending Swedish charges. "I'm quite sure it will not be a fair arbitration. IFPI and WIPO are in cooperation with each other (just look at WIPO's homepage where they say they work close together with, for instance, IFPI)," Sunde says.

Sunde and other admins at The Pirate Bay have been stalked recently by strange cars, with passengers snapping pictures.  Some think these not-so-subtle followers are under the pay of Prince, while others speculate that the Swedish government is using them to try to gather up some sort of evidence.

Curiously, Carl Lundström, who at one time provided bandwidth to The Pirate Bay, is the other person who the Swedish government has currently announced its intention to charge.  Lundström only had a casual relationship with the site, but some as he is a famed Swedish political extremist; some see the charges as the Swedish government's way of striking back at him, for his past stands.

Peter Sunde, in a recent interview with Ars Technica, was confident that it would be Swedish government who would be swimming with the fish in terms of a legal outcome.  He stated of Swedish prosecutor Håkan Roswall and the case, "I'm quite confident we're gonna win and I was expecting this to happen.  Roswall is also a very biased man, so I'm glad to take it to court instead of letting him dig around my personal life for no apparent reason. Actually, it's kinda funny."

And that's just the spirit one would expect out of the officials of the carefree, yet quixotically feisty site which early this year sought to buy its own island nation to avoid the mounting legal issues.  It’s clear that many parties are eager to bring the fight to The Pirate Bay, but it looks like The Pirate Bay is equally eager to fight back.



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If Pirate Bay goes down then Google should too
By qwertyz on 11/26/2007 2:37:42 PM , Rating: 5
If Pirate Bay goes down people will use Google instead to find torrents, try to take that down LOL




RE: If Pirate Bay goes down then Google should too
By Bustin on 11/26/2007 3:00:56 PM , Rating: 5
Dude the pirate bay is a tracker too... not just a torrent search engine. Without trackers assisting communication between peers, bittorrent is nothing.


RE: If Pirate Bay goes down then Google should too
By qwertyz on 11/26/07, Rating: 0
RE: If Pirate Bay goes down then Google should too
By qwertyz on 11/26/07, Rating: 0
RE: If Pirate Bay goes down then Google should too
By Polynikes on 11/26/2007 3:35:45 PM , Rating: 2
No, actually, it's not. Go read up on the bit torrent protocol. A site isn't a tracker just because it hosts .torrent files.


RE: If Pirate Bay goes down then Google should too
By Strunf on 11/26/2007 4:25:21 PM , Rating: 2
But a tracker that hasn't a site that list its torrents doesn't really work, both go hand in hand if you want p2p to work.


By mindless1 on 11/27/2007 12:35:08 PM , Rating: 2
However, the tracker need not stay static except to the particular torrents referencing it. TPB need not be a tracker, alternate support systems would be developed. Even so, decentralization is the inevitable evolution of P2P and ought to evolve in capability until all peers share in the tracker function.


By 3kliksphilip on 11/27/2007 12:56:39 PM , Rating: 1
Finally... you ended a sentence with out typing how much you're laughing. Kind of.


By Jasio on 11/26/2007 3:18:53 PM , Rating: 2
If you look at the information stored in the .torrent files from TPB, you'll notice that they are generally mirrored over half a dozen different trackers not owned by TPB. If their tracker goes down, yes, it will affect the end-user but it isn't a huge issue since there are many other trackers on-standby.


By FastLaneTX on 11/28/2007 12:39:11 AM , Rating: 2
That's exactly why DHT was added: you no longer need trackers, as long as you can find the .torrent file. Trackers can make things easier, but I've downloaded plenty of torrents that had unreachable trackers thanks to DHT.


By mars777 on 11/28/2007 5:18:15 AM , Rating: 2
Azureus had the first DHT.
Now most clients support it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_tabl...

So trackers aren't really needed. They are there for convenience. Distributed trackers are the future.


Life's pretty good...
By murphyslabrat on 11/26/2007 2:37:57 PM , Rating: 4
After all, they are pirates




RE: Life's pretty good...
By Chris Peredun on 11/26/2007 2:38:54 PM , Rating: 5
Yes, but why is the rum gone?


RE: Life's pretty good...
By vdig on 11/26/2007 2:49:23 PM , Rating: 2
Pirate Bay is holding up a glass jar, saying that the heart of his enemy is in it. The rest think he's bluffing. Or, should that be the other way around?

Who has the heart of the case?


RE: Life's pretty good...
By Anosh on 11/26/2007 3:13:16 PM , Rating: 2
I believe that according to Swedish law they're not breaking any laws by hosting the .torrent files.

But they could probably be sentenced for solicitation or incitement.

The upcoming trial well reveal all.


RE: Life's pretty good...
By rcc on 11/26/2007 5:03:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I believe that according to Swedish law they're not breaking any laws by hosting the .torrent files


I believe from prior articles that the basis of their stance is that they don't host the data, they just link to it.


RE: Life's pretty good...
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/26/2007 3:33:24 PM , Rating: 2
<<stands up and staggers drunkenly>>

Oh, that's why.

Vanilla


RE: Life's pretty good...
By FITCamaro on 11/26/2007 3:44:12 PM , Rating: 3
Sorry about that. I'll hit up an ABC on the way home. ;)


RE: Life's pretty good...
By erikejw on 11/27/2007 12:58:12 PM , Rating: 2
What's wrong with the official Pirate Bay logo?
Afraid of copyright infringement? :)


just wondering...
By Souka on 11/26/2007 3:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
if ISPs wanted to, could they just block access to Pirate Bay?

I'm sure there's legal reasons why, but can't they?




RE: just wondering...
By Wightout on 11/26/2007 3:54:40 PM , Rating: 2
Being that it is a company and not the Gov't I don't see why they couldn't. Just as Wii, Xbox360, and PS3 all refused to allow manhunt on their systems I would think that The ISPs could argue that they wouldn't want that kind of service on their network. Though that could get into the whole idea of net neutrality, right?

Isnt the idea of virus protection and spyware protection from an ISP the same kind of thing, blocking of traffic (be it "good" or "bad") from going thru the network?

Then again I dont know too much on the legal issues at work here...


RE: just wondering...
By Strunf on 11/26/2007 4:32:47 PM , Rating: 3
It's not really the legal paperwork that would stop ISP from doing it, the biggest problem is that if your ISP censures the web and someone else ISP doesn't, everyone would rush to that ISP.


RE: just wondering...
By FITCamaro on 11/26/2007 4:41:39 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe in Europe. But in America there's only a few choices. And at any one address, you might have at most 3 options for internet. Your local cable provider, DSL, or maybe a local provider. Usually its just the first two.


RE: just wondering...
By mindless1 on 11/27/2007 12:37:00 PM , Rating: 2
True, but the more reasons these few ISPs give customers to leave, the more profitable it will be for another party to come in and provide alternate service.


RE: just wondering...
By Wightout on 11/26/2007 4:56:38 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps, but I'm sure that the ISPs could put a more positive spin on a thing like this then simply we are blocking the internet. Think more along the lines of, "weeding out the "bad" to better protect you from it"?

Perhaps the movie industry and record industry would be willing to put money behind such an ask.

At the very least they could throttle people who use these sites... from my understanding many already do throttle P2P, why not sites that help out P2P?

With such actions in place, and perhaps being able to better deal with record and movie industries they could set up a streaming or downloading service of their own that would not be throttled. Thus squashing competition for people who use their networks?

Just theorizing...


RE: just wondering...
By borismkv on 11/26/2007 6:52:27 PM , Rating: 3
Throttling Pirate Bay would do little if anything to stop them, since the service they provide is not all that bandwidth intensive. On their end it probably uses up a lot of bandwidth to keep track of the millions of torrents out there, but to a user, the bandwidth sent to and received from is minimal.

That said, not everything you can get through TPB is copyrighted/illegal to download. There is a lot of original work and public domain stuff available. I get game demos, patches, software updates, etc. through bittorrent because it is more reliable and faster than HTTP and FTP. Some record labels are posting music videos on bittorrent to drum up publicity. Movie companies are posting trailers on there as well. Just because a lot of people use the technology for illegal purposes doesn't mean that the technology should be banned outright.


Sure....
By FITCamaro on 11/26/2007 3:42:39 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The IFPI insist that this feel good friendship will not affect the status of the complaint, as the WIPO will allegedly use impartial legal and knowledgeable professional counsel to make its decision.


Of course it'll be impartial. As impartial as scientists are about global warming after someone hands them a few million dollars.




RE: Sure....
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/26/2007 3:52:44 PM , Rating: 1
I'd be impartial about just about anything if someone would hand me a few million dollars. Think of the sweet quad core rig you could build with that. lol.

V.


RE: Sure....
By Spartan Niner on 11/26/2007 5:20:18 PM , Rating: 3
A few million dollars and all you can think of is a quad core? For shame! :P


RE: Sure....
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/26/2007 5:37:34 PM , Rating: 2
Well I didn't want to come off as over the top...lol.

Vanilla


RE: Sure....
By JazzMang on 11/26/2007 11:43:16 PM , Rating: 3
I think you could pull in more cores than 4 with that kind of money!


RE: Sure....
By sviola on 11/27/2007 7:37:40 AM , Rating: 2
Cores? With a couple of millions you should be looking after hp and mL of silicon to enjoy.


well im sure Prince is/was a good singer and all....
By mdogs444 on 11/26/2007 3:58:51 PM , Rating: 2
but I still find it hard to take him seriously when he dresses like a skinny woman, wears high heels, and prances around like a fruitcake.




By mdogs444 on 11/26/2007 4:26:20 PM , Rating: 5
And Chuck Norris doesn't do push ups, he pushes down the ground.

Prince is a puss-bag.


By Vanilla Thunder on 11/26/2007 4:29:45 PM , Rating: 1
http://www.cracked.com/article_14923_10-most-impro...

scroll down and look for Prince vs. Sinead O Connor.

Jesus might have walked on water, but Chuck Norris walks on Jesus.

Vanilla


By cheetah2k on 11/26/2007 11:44:06 PM , Rating: 2
I was thinking more like a "cream bag"


Prince
By SPOOOK on 11/26/2007 6:06:39 PM , Rating: 1
the reason this loser is suing because he cant sell his songs he sounds like shit i would not pay 2 cents for a cd with him this is a loser and the only way he thinks he can make money his phony lawyer gets paid buy the hour any lawyer in the usa has no right outside the us they are in fact nobody outside the us there are no world lawyers a lawyer has no rights outside there country




RE: Prince
By Ray 69 on 11/26/2007 7:41:16 PM , Rating: 2
Have you ever heard of punctuation??


RE: Prince
By Darkefire on 11/26/2007 9:24:58 PM , Rating: 5
Capitalization, too. Remember, kids, capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off a horse."


I dont care what anyone says...
By UppityMatt on 11/26/2007 3:16:49 PM , Rating: 5
I love the Pirate Bay.




By tobrien on 11/26/2007 4:15:36 PM , Rating: 5
Chocolate rainnnn, pirates stay dry and Sweden feels the pain




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