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What good is a high-definition picture without the high-definition sound?

Pioneer Electronics will be offering a specially designed audio solution for owners of Microsoft's latest console gaming system.

Pioneer's HTP-XGS1 is a 5.1 channel surround sound system custom designed for the XBOX 360 console. It has a total power output of 600W through 5 satellite speakers: front left/right, center, and rear left/right, plus a subwoofer for bass. The system has 2 optical inputs, 1 coaxial, an analog input for audio and an AM/FM tuner.

The system features internal calibration to perfect the sound output in any setting and has a separate display to show information about what the use is controlling. The entire system is controlled by a remote which also works with the gaming console and is designed to match the look of the XBOX 360 console.

Pricing on the HTP-XGS1 is expected to be set at around $500 this coming June. Pioneer has always been a key player in the home theater market namely with its Elite brand of audio/video equipment. Owners of the XBOX 360 console should be tempted at a fairly priced, if not affordable, high powered audio system such as Pioneer's offering.


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Great...
By PurdueRy on 5/10/2006 6:51:46 PM , Rating: 2
So lets see, we have what appears to be a $300 home theater system selling for $500 because it "looks" like the XBOX 360...every other feature here is pretty standard. Great




RE: Great...
By Aquila76 on 5/10/06, Rating: 0
RE: Great...
By mxzrider2 on 5/11/2006 3:54:58 AM , Rating: 2
you wish, pio is king in car audio ( they recently set set some record on decibles, like alomost 180 db) and their home audio is also one of the best if not the best in home audio.


RE: Great...
By bob661 on 5/11/2006 4:33:57 PM , Rating: 2
Power output doesn't mean squat without considering other factors. How low is the noise floor? Does it take 1000W to crank out that 180db output or does it take 500W? And Pioneer is NOT king of car audio, they're just the most used. And their home audio is definitely (LOL) not the best nor is it even one of the best. You obviously have never heard Klipsch speakers.


RE: Great...
By MrSmurf on 5/10/2006 7:05:20 PM , Rating: 1
Hey now! Don't forget the "internal calibration to perfect the sound output"... you can't get that anywhere else!

lol


RE: Great...
By PurdueRy on 5/10/2006 7:57:55 PM , Rating: 2
Ya...for real.

Now if they had included Room EQ then it would be something to talk about. My receiver has this and it is quite a nice feature.

Calibration is a gimme nowadays, shouldn't even be a "feature" listed


RE: Great...
By Bluestealth on 5/10/2006 8:11:00 PM , Rating: 2
That line stinks of Bose talk.


RE: Great...
By Lakku on 5/10/2006 8:15:09 PM , Rating: 3
You don't know that a Pro Media setup will smoke this system. You haven't heard this one, and the person making fun of the 'internal calibration' should do some research first. Pioneer receivers use what they call MCACC, or Multi-Channel Acoustic Calibration. Since this is what this system uses, it will actually make it stand apart from most other systems on the market at this price range. If you don't know what it is, or don't believe me, look it up in many reputable publications on Home Theater and 'higher end' end audio places, though they mostly deal with the Elite models of Pioneer products. Either way, it is actually a very effective tool that can measure room size, speaker placement and distance, standing waves (room reverb mixing back with direct speaker output), and if you have an Elite reveiver, can do professional calibration level adjustments to the EQ to give the speakers balanced sound output. Don't knock it till you try it and if they use some of their receiver tech in this unit, then it will indeed be better then a standard Pro Media setup on a standard receiver, and probably worth the 500 dollars. Yes other products have calibration and it is a 'gimme' now a days, MCACC is rated head and shoulders above other auto calibrations on the market and is what gives many Pioneer receivers the awards and high marks that they receive. So yes, it DOES do room calibration, as this is part of the MCACC utility.


RE: Great...
By Lifted on 5/10/2006 8:20:23 PM , Rating: 1
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh, sure.

Since when did it become acceptable to use 'higher end' and 'Pioneer' in the same sentence?


RE: Great...
By Lakku on 5/10/2006 8:26:18 PM , Rating: 3
And when has it not been? Don't pretend to be elitist and compare a sub 2k dollar reciever to something exotic or special interest. But when a sub-2k dollar reciever gets higher makrs then most anything in its class and is compared to other receivers costing twice as much, then yeah, it can be considered 'higher end'.


RE: Great...
By brystmar on 5/11/2006 1:15:18 AM , Rating: 3
what "marks" are you talking about? and by whom was this "rating" given? Consumer Reports?! (who, btw, have NO idea what they're talking about when it comes to audio products.)

if there's one thing i've learned from my 8 years of experience in the audio/video world it's that you simply CANNOT compare speakers or electronics on paper. a $500 Sony receiver boasting "100 watts per channel" doesn't have nearly as much actual power output as a something like the $500 Harman/Kardon AVR-240, which claims a conservative 50 watts of power output per channel with all channels driven and 65 wpc with only two channels driven.

if you know anything about either audio or about physics, you know that producing load on an amplifier reduces its power output. you would also know that its power output differs as the impedance and frequency of the signal vary. so, when you see a rating like H/K's that details its power output thusly: "65 watts x 2 channels or 50 watts x 7 channels (into 8 ohms, 20Hz – 20kHz, 0.07% THD)" -- you know alot more about the amp's capabilities than simply saying "50 watts x 7 channels." the average consumer doesn't know this though; they just think, "the Sony has 100 watts and the H/K only has 50 watts, so the Sony must be better!" so please take power ratings with a rather large grain of salt unless they are detailed (as above) or are from a reputable manufacturer, like some of the brands mentioned below.

that said, i hardly consider Pioneer to be a decent brand for electronics (minus their TVs and the Pioneer Elite line). virtually every receiver from every "major" brand like Sony, Pioneer, JVC, Kenwood, etc which sells for under about $700 is constructed **very** cheaply, especially in the amplifier section. i know this because i've serviced plenty of them and have taken more of them apart than probably any of you reading this.

the simple fact is that if you want good electronics, you should only be buying from companies that specialize in making good quality equipment like Marantz, Denon, Integra, Rotel, and Outlaw Audio. the only two "major" brands that make really solid stuff are Onkyo and Harman/Kardon; Yamaha is decent as well. i'm sorry to say that in my experience, the rest of it is pretty much junk. the good news is that you can get equipment from these companies for about the same price as you're willing to pay for a Sony or a Pioneer -- but the quality of each product will be *considerably* higher.

it's similar with speakers: you should buy from companies like Paradigm, B&W, Axiom, Klipsch, PSB, or even Polk that focus exclusively on making speakers. you'll get a much better product for about the same amount of $!

oh and just so you know, practically every audio component that gets even a halfway decent review will "easily compete with gear at over twice its price." believe me when i tell you that there's TONS of rhetoric like this used all over the audiophile world and that you should, again, take stuff like this with a grain of salt.


RE: Great...
By mxzrider2 on 5/11/2006 3:56:22 AM , Rating: 2
consumer reports doesnt know anything about anything, it is the most retard mag ever


RE: Great...
By kkwst2 on 5/10/2006 11:37:12 PM , Rating: 3
Uhhhhhhh...probably since 1962.

Uhhhhhhh...bonehead.


RE: Great...
By Cunthor01 on 5/11/2006 3:19:42 AM , Rating: 2
That was stupid to say. But then again, you probably have a Bose setup and agree with the salesman that told you how good it sounds.

And I agree with the person that said dont knock it till you try it. I would like to see how it compares to Logitech's higher offerings, since they seem to have the best 5.1 game setups.


RE: Great...
By PurdueRy on 5/11/2006 12:38:11 AM , Rating: 2
MCACC is not rated "head and shoulders" above other Auto-calibration systems. Harman kardon is the only one to apply EQ to the sub the last time I checked. It is also regarded as one of the best.


RE: Great...
By PurdueRy on 5/11/2006 12:47:17 AM , Rating: 2
Let me add to that though that MCACC is good. When I was deciding on a receiver it was between the HK 435, the Pioneer 1015 and the Denon 2105. I went with the HK but both the others would have been excellent choices too!

When I read that internal calibration I assumed the meant just standard settings. After reading through the article is seems to be the same MCACC system. I am not sure how effective it will be with speakers that look pretty limited. I would rather have seen them spend money and improve the quality of the speakers rather than use EQ'ing and autosetup to try and make it better.


RE: Great...
By Knish on 5/11/2006 2:11:35 AM , Rating: 2
Denon for life


RE: Great...
By Cunthor01 on 5/11/2006 3:20:30 AM , Rating: 2
Amen!


RE: Great...
By bob661 on 5/11/2006 4:35:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you don't know what it is
Sounds like you don't know what it is either. LOL! MCRACCK..LOL!


RE: Great...
By defiance74 on 4/19/2007 2:05:38 AM , Rating: 2
FYI, the system costs $180 at Best Buy. For a gamer with little money, it may be worth the purchase if only to get by. It's performance may not be up to audiophile standards, but most people are not audiophiles anyway and would be happy to have 5.1 DD.


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