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Your friendly phone company may have been listening to your calls.

Three top American telephone carriers -- Verizon, AT&T and Qwest -- have set what some believe may be an alarming precedent in refusing to turn over information on their wiretapping and snooping programs to the U.S. Congress.

A Congressional panel is investigating whether citizens' rights to privacy and personal freedoms were violated by executive branch mandated snooping programs, which allegedly monitor users' email and phone calls.

The phone companies claim they want to release the information, but can't.  They say that other branches of the government are preventing them from releasing the information about the Bush administration's spy programs to Congress.

AT&T Inc. General Counsel Wayne Watts wrote a letter to the House Energy and Commerce Committee stating, "Our company essentially finds itself caught in the middle of an oversight dispute between the Congress and the executive relating to government surveillance activities."

Congress had request three specific pieces of information.  The first was what information the carriers had turned over to government organizations without warrant.  The second question was whether they were compensated for any such occurrences.  The third question was whether they had installed any equipment for the express purpose of intercepting user emails or calls.

The three major carriers all claimed they were not at liberty to discuss any of these details.  All three carriers did submit limited reports to Congress, which did not contain any of the requested information.

Representative Ed Markey, D. Massachusetts, leads the telecommunications subcommittee and is among the congressional lawmakers frustrated by the carriers' refusal and the executive branch's secrecy.  He voiced his frustration in a public statement. "The water is as murky as ever on this issue, and it's past time for the administration to come clean."

AT&T stated that the Director of National Intelligence, Michael McConnell, invoked the state secrets privilege to block the information request.  Qwest and Verizon say that the Justice Department is blocking the request.

Scott Stanzel, Whitehouse spokesman declined comment, as did Justice Department spokesman, Dean Boyd.

Ross Feinstein, McConnell's spokesman, defended his actions stating that the director had the power to oversee all intelligence activities, as per the 1947 National Security Act.

Verizon did provide Congress with one piece of information.  It said that the Bush administration asked it to find information on the "calling circle" for specific telephone numbers, without warrant.  Verizon claims to have refused this request as it states that it does not have the capabilities to gain such information.

Michael McConnell has tried to defend these carriers and said that they should be given immunity from lawsuits and due process.

Currently AT&T and Verizon are the target of suits for providing customer information to the government.

Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois, the Democrats' No. 2 Senate leader, has vowed to fight giving these carriers immunity from due process of the law.

The Congressional inquiries follow a July temporary measure which allows spy agencies to continue intercepting, without a court warrant, phone calls and e-mails of suspected terrorists.  The measure, named the "Protect America Act of 2007" was covered here at DailyTech.

The Congress is researching the issue as it is mulling over new surveillance legislation.

House democrats are proposing legislation named the "RESTORE Act", which would perpetuate certain warrantless surveillance for antiterrorism purposes, but would impose clear limitations to the scope of the powers and a rigid process to be followed.  House republicans are largely opposed to this measure as they would prefer more open ended powers and freedom from oversight.

The issue of spying is a thorny one.  Phone companies are uncomfortable with their customers finding out that they have been spied upon.  The government is uncomfortable with its citizens finding out they are being spied upon.  Yet, for better or worse, the Bush administration is pushing for continued surveillance privileges as the Congress tries to limit and control these privileges.



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Let the paranoia begin...
By jskirwin on 10/18/2007 9:27:37 AM , Rating: 4
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Yet, for better or worse, the Bush administration is pushing for continued surveillance privileges as the Congress tries to limit and control these privileges.


This is not a battle between the Bush administration and a democrat controlled congress regarding the legality of this surveillance. This is a battle between the Executive and Legislative branches over the limits to the surveillance.

This is more of a cat-fight between two of the three branches of government, with the telcos in the middle than it is a Bush-Cheney assault on the Constitution.




RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By Proteusza on 10/18/2007 10:12:55 AM , Rating: 4
The government is all for openness and honesty.

That is, they want you to be open and honest, while they cover everything up, and in return allow their corporate lackies whatever they want.

Democracy is brilliant, isnt it? This is exactly what I would vote for, hell yeah I'd pay tax dollars to be spied on!


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By mdogs444 on 10/18/07, Rating: -1
RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By OrSin on 10/18/07, Rating: -1
RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By mdogs444 on 10/18/07, Rating: -1
RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By TomZ on 10/18/2007 10:51:00 AM , Rating: 4
The OP is really saying that lots of American companies are making a lot of money (billions, not millions) due to the Iraq war. It's obviously a spending free-for-all - they're practically giving away the money. Billions of dollars are lost or missing. You can't deny that.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By mdogs444 on 10/18/2007 10:54:25 AM , Rating: 2
That part i would definately agree.

It sounded like he was claiming that individual companies are working with the government to profit billions from dead soldiers. Just wasnt explained right.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By mars777 on 10/18/2007 6:54:07 PM , Rating: 2
The Oil industry and the Weapon industries make pleasant money from wars. If there is connection with the government this is a debate. But right now there is no evidence, and i hardly believe that there will ever be.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By JustinChase on 10/19/2007 2:22:16 AM , Rating: 3
The fact that Chaney is the former chairman and CEO of Halliburton before his current stint as puppet-master general is not evidence of corporate ties to the current administration!?!?!?

Hello, McFly, anyone home?

Halliburton was given Billions (yes, with a bit B) in no-bid government contracts to "help rebuild Iraq." Have a look...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121004A.shtml

What more evidence would you like to see? Try Google.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By Oregonian2 on 10/18/2007 9:10:41 PM , Rating: 2
AFAIK most of the missing money is missing in Iraq with Iraqi contractors.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2007 10:54:00 AM , Rating: 3
"Please tell me what executives are making millions on dying soldiers. "

Business partners of George Bush, and Dick Cheney for starters.

Ever wonder why Haliburton bids $50 million dollars to rebuild an Iraqi bridge destroyed in the war, and the Iraqi company that built it in the first place bids $.5 mill and Haliburton wins the bid? Haliburton bids 100x higher price and wins the bid... THAT is why Bush and Cheney have us there, and THAT is where our money is going. To feed the coffers of the Executive branches corporate allies. They dont care how many of our soldiers die, nor do they care what happens to Iraq and its people.

Welcome to reality folks. We've been had, and continue to take it, and act like its not happening.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By mdogs444 on 10/18/2007 10:58:56 AM , Rating: 2
I think its absolutely absurd and sick to even say that.

The Bush administration I would agree is not acting like a typical Conservative administration because spending has been out of control and not controlled by a typical fiscally conservative adminstration.

But to say that they dont care how many of our people die is terrible. Of course they do, and for you to say that makes you just as bad as the extremist on the other side of the political spectrum.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2007 11:03:15 AM , Rating: 1
Then you, are both in heavy denial,and part of the problem.

I am not an extremist at all. People need to know the truth, and wake up to what our govt is doing so that we can make better choices.

Knowledge = better ability to make the right choice. The Bush administration is all about spreading lies to get what they want. They are the exact opposite of their term "support the troops" How is putting the troops in harms way to advance their own financial/political gains seen as "support". Lies, thats how.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By zombiexl on 10/18/2007 11:13:28 AM , Rating: 2
Your complete ignorance of what security means is the problem.

I like to use WWII as an example, so i'll use it again. Had we told the people in the US everything that they wanted to know about the war it would have been a failure. You cant give away infromation about who you are watching, etc without the enemy getting their hands on it as well.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2007 11:23:18 AM , Rating: 2
WWII as an example is totally bunk. That was a just war with a good cause and was not for financial gain, it WAS for freedom. And I believe YOUR complete ignorance of what security means is the problem (you and the shrinking #'s of others that still support this war).

"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither" - Ben Franklin.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By tigen on 10/18/2007 4:00:59 PM , Rating: 2
"it WAS for freedom"

Except it wasn't really. The war started specifically because of Poland. Why did the Allies ally with Stalin, if they were concerned about freedom? At the end of the war, the Soviets controlled Europe from east Germany eastward, including Poland. Those countries weren't "free" until relatively recently.


RE: Let the paranoia begin...
By mdogs444 on 10/18/2007 4:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
And Putin still wants them back. Another reason we should trust a thing out of that guys mouth. Thats just besides the fact that he supplies weapons to Iran and other middle eastern nations.