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Skype peer-to-peer network bug leaves service unable to cope with reboots from Microsoft security updates

VOIP is like a cell phone, you never seem to realize how much you depend on the service until you no longer have it. There were probably lots of Skype users realizing just how much they missed Skype last week when the service was down.

Skype at first seemed to be blaming Microsoft for the outage, but came back later to clarify their position by stating that, “We don’t blame anyone but ourselves. The Microsoft Update patches were merely a catalyst — a trigger — for a series of events that led to the disruption of Skype, not the root cause of it. And Microsoft has been very helpful and supportive throughout.”

The high number of computer reboots from Skype users after Microsoft released security updates, which caused a flood of log-in requests that when combined with a lack of peer-to-peer resources at the time led to a failure of the service.

A Skype spokesperson went on to say that, “Unfortunately, this time, for the first time, Skype was unable to rise to the challenge and the reasons for this were exceptional. In this instance, the day’s Skype traffic patterns, combined with the large number of reboots, revealed a previously unseen fault in the P2P network resource allocation algorithm Skype used. Consequently, the P2P network’s self-healing function didn’t work quickly enough. Skype’s peer-to-peer core was not properly tuned to cope with the load and core size changes that occurred on August 16. The reboots resulting from software patching merely served as a catalyst. This combination of factors created a situation where the self-healing needed outside intervention and assistance by our engineers.”

Microsoft releases patches for Windows very frequently and if you are wondering why this never happened before, Skype officials called this occurrence a “Perfect Storm.” Rebooting super-nodes within the Skype system combined with high-usage load during the reboots further combined with a previously unseen bug in the Skype software and ultimately led to a system wide outage of service.

When we contacted Microsoft for comments on the Skype outage, Microsoft simply had this to say, “Windows Update is a routine service Microsoft provides to its users to receive software updates, including last Tuesday’s security updates, which were not unique. As indicated in Skype’s blog, their specific disruption was caused by a bug in their software.”



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skype rocks
By Moishe on 8/24/2007 10:22:05 AM , Rating: 4
Skype really rocks. I like how they admitted that it was their problem. Too many companies seem to blame MS for their laziness or mistakes. Skype has changed the way I think of phones... Hope they stick around for the foreseeable future.




RE: skype rocks
By mdogs444 on 8/24/2007 10:23:42 AM , Rating: 2
Well for right now, it will not trump the cell phone.

But in the future, if the major cities implement the city wide wireless internet like they have been talking about....skype just may have something.


RE: skype rocks
By Screwballl on 8/24/07, Rating: -1
RE: skype rocks
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 8/24/2007 11:00:11 AM , Rating: 3
It's better this way, most users are too stupid to remember to patch and reboot. Remember the 95, 98, 2000 era? I'm glag thats over. Automatic updating from Microsoft has been a godsend to dumb users and us IT guys that get the constant third degree when computer problems arise.


RE: skype rocks
By blwest on 8/24/07, Rating: -1
RE: skype rocks
By Moishe on 8/24/2007 11:34:30 AM , Rating: 1
Ridiculous... Spelling is not a valid test of intelligence. Not that I condone poor spelling or grammar (God forbid!) but plenty of people can spell all day long and still not have the slightest clue how to patch their computer. And I know a few people that are genius and have no time nor care to make sure their written words are all perfect.

MS auto-update is perfect for working around ignorance and laziness, both of which is the user's fault but MS usually gets blamed. If you want to simplify the problem it sounds like a lot of people tried to log into Skype's server at the same time, which coupled with a bug caused an outage. It's simply that Skype was unprepared for that amount of traffic all at once. No big deal, easily fixed and admitted to...

Not Microsoft's fault.


RE: skype rocks
By omnicronx on 8/24/2007 12:49:03 PM , Rating: 2
He's in IT not an English major. What are you anyways the grammar police? Do you go around the net looking from post to post just to point out the grammatical errors of others?

Have fun with your scrabble game tonight by the way, we don't want you losing any of that grammatical prowess.


RE: skype rocks
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 8/24/2007 3:33:12 PM , Rating: 1
Ah let him be. There are several like him that find it their mission in life to point out every spelling or grammatical error in a post made by someone with a DT icon.

For the record, I use IE 7. Firefox < IE 7 on VistaX64.


RE: skype rocks
By 3kliksphilip on 8/25/2007 11:18:09 AM , Rating: 2
I think that they're both roughly the same, considering that IE7 now uses the middle-click to open new tab thing (Conveniently stolen from firefox, but at least I don't care which browser I'm using now).


RE: skype rocks
By omnicronx on 8/24/2007 11:08:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Malware (for "malicious software") is any program or file that is harmful to a computer user. Thus, malware includes computer viruses, worms, Trojan horses, and also spyware, programming that gathers information about a computer user without permission.
I dont see how microsoft automatic updates can be considered malware no matter how you slice it. Especially since only security updates are automatically installed, any other updates ; hardware, optional updates.. do not install without the user specifically choosing to do so. Icons in your taskbar also notify you when an update is in progress and does allow you to stop updating at any time.


RE: skype rocks
By Oregonian2 on 8/24/2007 1:23:31 PM , Rating: 3
And even then one has to give it permission. Auto-update can be turned off or on.


RE: skype rocks
By Christopher1 on 8/26/2007 12:45:00 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly right. The whiners about the information that Microsoft collects during automatic updates forget that Auto-Update can be turned on or off very easily with a click on a button.


RE: skype rocks
By rcc on 8/24/2007 12:21:02 PM , Rating: 3
And how would this help? Most people will get the reboot message, and tell the system to reboot now. Because rebooting later really doesn't do much for you. Now, you could choose to update later, but.... why. If you have the time, you do it and get it out of the way.

Any company that writes software for the Windows operating systems should know the basics on how the system patches, and the ramifications of patching. Skype admitted the problem was theirs, perhaps you should accept that they know their software better than you.

Now, Microsoft could implement rolling notifications of updates based on your xxx (MAC ID, IP address, first, last, or middle name, etc.)to spread it out over the next day or two. However, someone would no doubt want to sue if they didn't get the latest security update immediately and suffered a loss because of it.


RE: skype rocks
By Oregonian2 on 8/24/2007 1:26:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And how would this help? Most people will get the reboot message, and tell the system to reboot now. Because rebooting later really doesn't do much for you. Now, you could choose to update later, but.... why. If you have the time, you do it and get it out of the way.


"This" computer has been nagging me about the reboot for a week. If I reboot I'll have to setup all my running programs and associated windows again. Pain. If it would shut-down and bring things up (including documents being re-opened to the same place, etc) then cool. But it doesn't.


RE: skype rocks
By rcc on 8/24/2007 4:45:08 PM , Rating: 2
Your situation is an exception. Statistically speaking it's a small ripple in the pond. It's the mass of people that hitting update immediately that triggered this problem. Not caused, just triggered.


RE: skype rocks
By thesid on 8/25/2007 2:01:01 PM , Rating: 1
bleh


RE: skype rocks
By Oregonian2 on 8/24/2007 1:21:01 PM , Rating: 2
Many will blame MS even with Skype saying it was their bug. MS will be blamed when OS-X crashes. :-)


RE: skype rocks
By rcc on 8/24/2007 4:46:59 PM , Rating: 2
lol. Of course! It's not worth a hacker's time to make it crash, so it must be MS. Who else has a vested interest.

: )


Ironic
By 3kliksphilip on 8/24/2007 10:04:51 AM , Rating: 4
"A lot of people pay zero for the cellphone ... That's what it's worth." -- Apple Chief Operating Officer Timothy Cook

Trust that to appear at the bottom of the screen...




RE: Ironic
By mdogs444 on 8/24/2007 10:08:31 AM , Rating: 2
In this case, it has nothing to do with the physical phone - but the service.

Its like saying the Razr might be a crap phone - but how it functions can be a direct result of the service: AT&T, Verizon, Boost, Amped, Sprint, etc.

The phone may be phsyically worth crap....but i would pay more for better service w/ a crap phone than i would for a better phone with crap service.


RE: Ironic
By BillyBatson on 8/24/2007 10:27:23 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, it is more important for me to have a great service and maybe not as great of a phone than a great phone with crap service (ie. iphone)


RE: Ironic
By omnicronx on 8/24/2007 11:28:58 AM , Rating: 2
of course i am the only sucker that goes for the phone.. always screws me and i never learn.. then again there really isn't a bad canadian network..


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