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Not having a Facebook account makes it seem like you have something to hide

The decision to use Facebook or not has always seemed like a choice, but what if not having an account made you seem suspicious to the rest of the world?

A recent Forbes article pointed out that while most non-Facebook users stay away for reasons like internet addiction, privacy issues or just because they couldn't care less what people are eating every second of the day, others who are on the social network could view this absence as suspicious.

For instance, employers are looking to social networks more and more as a way of learning about current and potential employees. When a worker doesn't have a Facebook, some employers may think that this is a red flag, meaning the person could have deactivated it because they had something to hide.

The suspicion bleeds over to other sectors of our lives too, such as our love lives. The article mentioned that new love interests who don't have a Facebook could be hiding their true identity, or could be hiding another relationship that they don't want to make public.

The Forbes article also makes quite the leap to implicate the lack of a Facebook account with mass murderers by pointing out that Anders Breivik and James Holmes didn't have a social media presence at all.

While Facebook started out as just a fun way to connect with friends and family, it has become increasingly ubiquitous, making it a hard habit to quit. Now, it seems as if this is being taken a step further, where those on the outside could be shunned.

Source: Forbes



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I do have something to hide
By Chaosforce on 8/8/2012 1:50:49 PM , Rating: 5
Yup i do have something to hide, my personal life from work. Work does not need to know what i do outside of work, random people dont need nor i want them to know what i do. Perhaps its just the way i was raised with my father being an engineer working in the tech industry and him showing/teaching me computers and such at a young age(my first pc i had was when i was 5) i know the follies of the internet and there is nothing truly secure or private on the internet.

Also i simply do not care to talk to people i dont talk to anymore as there is a reason i dont talk to them anymore in that they are simply mere acquaintance and not someone i would consider friend worth.




RE: I do have something to hide
By retrospooty on 8/8/2012 2:08:04 PM , Rating: 5
"Also i simply do not care to talk to people i dont talk to anymore as there is a reason i dont talk to them anymore in that they are simply mere acquaintance and not someone i would consider friend worth."

Exactly... If you wanted to keep in touch, you would have.

I dont have it and never will. I am on linked in, any potential job I get could look there to see my history... Other than that, I dont care what anyone thinks.


RE: I do have something to hide
By xti on 8/9/12, Rating: -1
RE: I do have something to hide
By mindless1 on 8/10/2012 1:32:48 PM , Rating: 2
That may not work, with employers making requests for access to your private profile or further, some will still think a private profile is one trying to hide things from the general public.


RE: I do have something to hide
By Spuke on 8/8/2012 2:09:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also i simply do not care to talk to people i dont talk to anymore as there is a reason i dont talk to them anymore in that they are simply mere acquaintance and not someone i would consider friend worth.
I hear this a lot from non-Facebook users. You CAN block all that non-sense. I do and I don't accept friend requests from people I don't talk to normally (I don't get a lot cause search is blocked). Exercise a little self-control and Facebook is just fine. I'm a recent joiner and my sole reason was to keep in touch with family. I have TWO actual friends that I'm "friends" with on Facebook, the rest are family and not all of my family at that. All that said, I perfectly understand why people choose privacy and anonymity as reasons for not having Facebook accounts. Even though I enjoy being connected to them, I have many times considered shutting down my account and may do so in the future even if it's for a short while.


RE: I do have something to hide
By icemansims on 8/8/2012 2:57:27 PM , Rating: 2
You can't actually. The "Friend only" filter is so easily circumvented that it probably wouldn't even be considered a breach of ToS.


RE: I do have something to hide
By jamori on 8/9/2012 3:51:02 PM , Rating: 2
Care to elaborate? Is there a real loophole, or do you just refer to weakness to social engineering techniques?

I wasn't aware it was easily circumventable if you set up your posting privacy correctly...


RE: I do have something to hide
By TSS on 8/8/12, Rating: -1
RE: I do have something to hide
By Camikazi on 8/8/2012 5:48:30 PM , Rating: 5
Or I could choose to exercise self-control and not get Facebook cause I do not need it and you can exercise self-control and try to understand that not everyone wants Facebook. Getting a Facebook account when you do not need or want one if falling into peer pressure and it pretty much means you lack self-control and just follow the crowd (something that is not really a good thing).


RE: I do have something to hide
By mindless1 on 8/10/2012 1:36:57 PM , Rating: 2
While I agree about the peer pressure and lack of self control to some extent, following the crowd IS something many employers want.

They want cheap robot sheep to do the work and care nothing about your personality beyond that there are no traits that will cause productivity problems, or rub them the wrong way if they're emotionally based rather than logically based.


RE: I do have something to hide
By Da W on 8/8/2012 9:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly, my facebook is private for private family and friends, and no goddamn boss will ever be my facebook friend. Judge me on the output i give at work that's all.

Of all my friends only 5 post things regularly. For most people its an adress book, period.


RE: I do have something to hide
By macca007 on 8/9/2012 3:25:23 AM , Rating: 2
What's wrong with email to do that or one step further encrypted email for those worried? Or video conference in gmail for close family and friends.
Disconnected my facebook over a year ago and have never looked back,Seemed like one big ego trip where everyone is competing to see who can get the most contacts to make themselves look good.
All it takes is one wrong comment for whatever reason,be it a big night out in town and had a few drinks you say something you shouldn't have and the whole freakin' world knows about it. Go for a new job they look you up "hmmm don't like this" ahhh sorry we already found another person for that position. Email is way better to keep in touch especially if you have video chat enabled,It's more personal and you can say things you may not want others to hear. All these social media sites are overhyped and it seems like a case of keeping up with the Jones's,You have to update your page to keep people thinking you have "A Life".
For me,Email and video for family,Email and steam chat for friends.
Facebook is not fine, I'm sure we will soon be hearing about it being hacked and peoples identities stolen because every single detail about that person is on their page including photos,Photos of a persons face that could be used to make some fake ID I bet, I mean we already have cases of parties being gate crashed by randoms or houses being burgled cause someone has slipped up and said they are going away on holiday.


RE: I do have something to hide
By BarkyMcWoof on 8/8/2012 2:11:33 PM , Rating: 3
Me too. Why would I want to expose my personal life to anyone? If I want my family to know something, I'll tell them. If I want to share photos, I'll post them to my web album. I am amazed every time I see a gray haired lady acting teenager-giddy over checking to see what is new on her facebook page.

Give it five years and Facebook will be on a fast downhill slide just like MySpace.


RE: I do have something to hide
By Rukkian on 8/8/12, Rating: -1
RE: I do have something to hide
By JediJeb on 8/8/2012 4:58:09 PM , Rating: 2
If I share my photos I simply add everyone I want to see them to the send list on an email and push Send. That way I don't even have to worry about uploading them to a site.


RE: I do have something to hide
By Natch on 8/8/2012 2:44:32 PM , Rating: 2
I have my FB account security locked down pretty hard (request to be "friended", in order to read my wall, no sharing of personal info, etc), so it's not as though anyone would simply be able to stop by my FB account, and find anything out anyways. Luckily, I'm also in a position that I never have to worry about a potential employer wanting access to it (not that they'd find anything more than jokes, music, and occasional rants!).

I have another account, used entirely for bullsh*t. Wonder what they'd think of that one?? LOL


RE: I do have something to hide
By FITCamaro on 8/8/2012 3:17:55 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I use Facebook, but a prospective employer couldn't see anything if they wanted to on my facebook page.

Yes nothing is 100% secure. But that's why other than my name, I don't have personally identifiable info on facebook.

As far as not talking to acquaintances anymore, I just don't have them on my account anymore. I remove people I no longer speak to. I am "friends" with most coworkers on facebook, but once I leave this job, I'll be removing most of them. They already don't see the majority of my posts.


RE: I do have something to hide
By JediJeb on 8/8/2012 4:51:19 PM , Rating: 2
I have never bothered to even look at Facebook at all that I can think of. Maybe I am just a suspicious unsociable hermit :)

quote:
Agreed. I use Facebook, but a prospective employer couldn't see anything if they wanted to on my facebook page.


The problem there is some employers are wanting to be able to require to you give them your Facebook passwords as a term of employment so they can see those things that they would not normally be able to see. Congress was looking at a bill to block it but I haven't heard how that is progressing yet.


RE: I do have something to hide
By FITCamaro on 8/8/2012 6:25:18 PM , Rating: 3
I believe they have the right to request that. I just wouldn't work somewhere that did.


RE: I do have something to hide
By GotThumbs on 8/9/2012 12:59:03 PM , Rating: 2
How dumb can people be?

No employer has the right to demand your FB password or any other personal account password. They can ask, but you just have to decline.

Only a fool would give anyone their passwords.

Now, a company could ask if you have a FB account and ask that you bring it up for them to see. Their stated reason should be that they are concerned with posted items that could incorrectly reflect poorly on the company. That's a legitimate concern for any company these days. If you say you don't have an FB account...they could request that you sign a statement that you don't and that you will notify them if you ever do. If you lie to them and they find you do have a FB account...then that signed statement could be grounds for your termination. Thus, protecting the company.

Keep in mind....a company does not exists to please you. It's a business and you have a choice to work for/with them or not. Don't be stupid in thinking anything different.

Its not rocket science people.


RE: I do have something to hide
By Adam M on 8/8/2012 7:13:35 PM , Rating: 3
Whom ever links a persons lack of a Facebook account to being some kind of homicidal maniac suffers from paranoia and spurious logic. I have nothing to hide but more aptly, I have little to share with the internet. Personal conversations and information usually come in the form of actual human contact. Unfortunately, I do have a Facebook account which was started too keep in touch with a (then) girlfriend. Now I only maintain it to keep in touch with distant relatives. I try to look at what side of history I might be on as things progress. In a few, years after the Fall of Facebook and the rise of another form of social media, we will be looking back at how silly the whole Facebook experience was and how articles suggesting the inflated importance of Facebook have become jokes.


RE: I do have something to hide
By mmatis on 8/9/2012 1:15:00 PM , Rating: 2
I hate to tell you this, but most US "Law Enforcement" "links a persons lack of a Facebook account to being some kind of homicidal maniac..."

Unless, of course, that person without a Facebook account is one of their Brothers in Blue...


RE: I do have something to hide
By jeffkro on 8/9/2012 9:08:17 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, we have moved so far beyond big brother its not funny.


RE: I do have something to hide
By jeffkro on 8/9/2012 9:17:28 AM , Rating: 2
So why don't anti Facebook people just create an inactive low information profile? You know specifically for employer searches. They say employers are already finding Facebook useless because people clean up their profile before applying for a job.


RE: I do have something to hide
By GotThumbs on 8/9/2012 1:06:19 PM , Rating: 2
Really?

Maybe you should think about what you just wrote.

It's not that people are necessarily Anti-Facebook. Its that they simply choose not to use it or have no desire to join the mass collective that has.

You need to think about your statement...because its does not reflect well on your level of intelligence.


By NellyFromMA on 8/9/2012 4:43:46 PM , Rating: 3
Basically, we're being socially engineered to expose as much as possible. Look everywhere for clear proof.


By inperfectdarkness on 8/10/2012 2:45:55 AM , Rating: 2
For some of us, our careers entail the risk of entering a situation where any and all information procured on the individual can and will be underhandedly used against oneself. Military members, politicians, celebrities and corporate executives fall into this category.

For others, it becomes too tempting to carry on private disputes in a public arena.

For still others, the argument about "privacy settings" is hogwash, since FB's privacy settings are about as stable as an African Junta. There's a LOT of truth behind the joke that FB went public because even FB couldn't figure out FB's privacy settings. For these people, social-networking isn't an option unless a person feels they have complete control over their account settings.

My account was deactivated 2 years ago, and I haven't looked back. Unlike Apple, you can ween yourself off FB.


facebook == crap
By chromal on 8/8/2012 1:48:30 PM , Rating: 2
Facebook can go stuff itself, and anyone who thinks it, or twitter, is worth paying attention to should get out of the shell and realize there is a wider Internet out there.




RE: facebook == crap
By aurareturn on 8/8/2012 1:50:29 PM , Rating: 2
I know social media is not a popular thing on advanced technology sites like Anandtech but there are people(like me) that use Twitter everyday and love it.


RE: facebook == crap
By MrBlastman on 8/8/2012 2:47:24 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry.

I mean, I found it fascinating the other day that the shower water was quite tepid to the touch yet was profoundly soothing once fully encapsulated by its palms. Strangely, for some reason, I felt no reason to share it with the world.

Perhaps I should of?

I'm glad I didn't... (oh wait, I already did!)


RE: facebook == crap
By DNAgent on 8/8/2012 3:11:32 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Facebook can go stuff itself, and anyone who thinks it, or twitter, is worth paying attention to should get out of the shell and realize there is a real world out there.


There, fixed that for ya.


RE: facebook == crap
By chromal on 8/8/2012 5:12:05 PM , Rating: 2
That should probably go without saying. :)


By Hakuryu on 8/8/2012 2:29:24 PM , Rating: 5
I don't use FB and never will. Perhaps my friends and I are too old - we actually call each other and do things together, instead of spending time on a website to see what each of us are doing.

If I was hiring, I would favor people that don't use Facebook. With the stats about how many hours a day people spend on it, I'd worry about the employees managing their social life on FB instead of doing the work they were paid to do. Also, I'd find it a huge character flaw if you spent 4 hours a day on Facebook - I'd go so far as to call it an addiction and lump these people together with drug users (vastly different problems, but with similar real life results - ie the addiction ruling their actions).




By JediJeb on 8/8/2012 4:55:52 PM , Rating: 4
Not so sure the pool would be that slim, at least half of the people I work with have either never had Facebook or have stopped even checking their accounts. I think the estimates of how many Facebook accounts are actually fake is vastly under estimated. Non Facebook users are not the minority most people think they are.


By mindless1 on 8/10/2012 1:46:05 PM , Rating: 2
Depends on the age group... I'm guessing you're over 35 yo. We "senior citizens" found ways to enjoy life before facebook came along and don't need to fill such a void with it. Peer pressure is lower too.


Ridiculous
By masamasa on 8/8/2012 3:20:48 PM , Rating: 2
It means we have something better to do than sit on the Internet posting crap about nothing. Facebook stock....south!




RE: Ridiculous
By jeffkro on 8/9/2012 9:25:36 AM , Rating: 2
Really, it takes me two seconds to post a pic I just took on my smart phone.


RE: Ridiculous
By mindless1 on 8/10/2012 1:48:01 PM , Rating: 2
plus the time to stop to take the picture, get the phone out, check that it's what you want framed, go to the site later and see that it posted, put up a comment, tag people, respond to or at least read comments, etc., etc.

2 seconds = BS


This article is suspicious
By EricMartello on 8/8/2012 2:33:00 PM , Rating: 3
It's almost like facebook paid to have this posted here...hmm...how's that awesome facebook IPO doing? Or did they discover that FB is as worthless as it sounds on paper? lol




RE: This article is suspicious
By sorry dog on 8/8/2012 4:05:58 PM , Rating: 2
...ain't that the truth.

I'm suspicious of any company that is sniffing around my personal life... I've noticed that people who mix their personal life with work life too much tend to get trouble sooner or later.


Fobes can kiss my chaddi :P
By garagetinkerer on 8/8/2012 10:20:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
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The Forbes article also makes quite the leap to implicate the lack of a Facebook account with mass murderers by pointing out that Anders Breivik and James Holmes didn't have a social media presence at all.
Would Forbes mind telling us how many criminals have an account? It was not so long ago that we had notifications to be careful online, and not speak to strangers...

I think it is a simple matter of vested interests in the plight of Facebook, which if memory serves me right, is tanking worse than a Titanic on Wall Street. Add to that places like Facebook are playground(s) of big brother, and you have more reasons to make a push for it.

I have nothing to hide, not to people who know me. If you don't know me, let us keep it that way, unless we meet in real life... I totally agree with one who says employers shouldn't have much of a stay in my personal life, as long as i'm keeping it on straight and narrow.

There's also the matter of them making unsolicited posts to your friends, recommending products and services. Chances are you never recommended anything, and this happened to me. A few of my friends got some messages, recommending software and some services. I do this for my friends in real life, so this irked me, as it could ruin my standing amongst friends. I thought it was some hacker possibly, who gained access to my account, but i learned later that FB does it.

Did i say, it is a severe waste of time? I would much rather call/ meet people... Also, what's wrong with an email? I guess it has its place under the sun, but this is getting out of hands.




RE: Fobes can kiss my chaddi :P
By jeffkro on 8/9/2012 9:29:14 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think you would call it tanking. They over valued the stock when they went public.


By tecknurd on 8/9/2012 12:30:15 AM , Rating: 3
I did have a Facebook account, but I deleted my profile. I did not put enough data for Facebook to know everything who am I. I do not like putting pictures up on the Internet because it then becomes everybody's. I want the pictures that I have be mine and be only for me. If my relatives wants the pictures because I forgot to give them or they have interest in some of my pictures, they can ask for them. I tell people do not upload pictures that you take of me to Facebook or any social network. It is my right that I do not want pictures of me on the Internet.

People that do not have a Facebook or recently deleted their profile does not need to be stated as suspicious. Nobody can force people to put information of the themselves on the Internet. I believe if you want to know who am I, it is best to just ask. My teeth are not sharp they are dull, so do not be shy to ask.

The two people that commit a crime is just a coincidence that they do not have a Facebook account. There are several other people that have a Facebook account that have commit a crime, so the statistics is skewed.

BTW, I do not have a Twitter account because I think these social networks are disgusting.




By GotThumbs on 8/9/2012 12:43:59 PM , Rating: 3
Hey, any free thinking American can choose not to follow the flock of Sheep. Why would anyone willingly joing the biggest marketing pool ever? Nothing's free and its a choice each person makes on their own.

I've seen social sites before and just not interested. AOL Neighborhoods, AIM chat rooms, ICQ, MySpace, etc.

I respect others choices to join or not join. I'm just not interested. If anyone has a problem with my choice... that's their problem. This is not the playground and I'm not five years old...so people need to get over the bulling of people who don't follow the crowd.

I still believe its a sign of personal strength to not be a follower of the current crowd/fad. I will never have a tattoo or FB account.

My point is this....I'm a person who stands by my own choices and expects others to respect my freedom of choice...just as I respect theirs.

This is still American...right? "Land of the Free"?




Don't have one, don't need one....
By rdhood on 8/10/2012 1:33:09 PM , Rating: 3
Just having a facebook account... and associated friends... exposes you to guilt by association.

For example, researchers can already tell with about 95% accuracy if you are gay or straight by your facebook associations. I strongly suspect you can tell a lot more about people (if they might be criminals, risky behaviors, drugs, age/married status/children, musical tastes etc etc just by looking at your facebook associations. Someone who posts a status in the middle of a workday might be construed as having a poor work ethic. You get my drift. The conclusions that can be drawn can be wildly accurate... or wildly inaccurate. Example: what , he has no friends? or, look, his friends are all getting high tonight. Or... his friends are all bible thumping baptists/ metal heads/etc.

Whatever conclusion can be drawn, you have no control over it and it can be bad news. The only way to prevent it is to NOT have a facebook account.




Oh noes!!111111
By MrBlastman on 8/8/2012 2:11:25 PM , Rating: 2
I'm suspicious! I better go hide.

Wait, that's suspicious too, right?

Okay, then I better go run around naked in the middle of my city's biggest park... Hmm, that's suspicious too, eh?

Arrrgh. I can't win. I guess I should just act normal then.

How utterly boring. :-|

Have a normal day, everyone!




By Arsynic on 8/8/2012 2:19:11 PM , Rating: 2
So not having something is now proof that you must be hiding something?




By SAN-Man on 8/8/2012 4:49:12 PM , Rating: 2
By that I mean, people who can work on their own PCs do and those who can't go to Geeksquad. People who can communicate and organize their data on their own do and those who can't go to Facebook.

I don't have a problem with Facebook per se, I just don't have a need for them. They don't fill a gap for me, because there is no gap.

The same can be said for most Internet "services", the need for me just isn't there. I think as Internet users mature, they will shy away from these large service providers.




face book
By menotu on 8/8/2012 6:13:17 PM , Rating: 2
this took me 30 seconds to get over ... what do you mean a hard habit to quit..???




Strange...?
By delphinus100 on 8/8/2012 6:58:38 PM , Rating: 2
I have Facebook (though I realize some people don't have Internet access to begin with), but I get similar strange responses, when I tell people I don't have a cellphone...




This is so Lame!
By Cannyone on 8/8/2012 9:18:59 PM , Rating: 2
I am neither so shallow that I think Facebook is a good way to keep up with my friends, nor so insecure as to think that I have to have more friends than I can spend time with personally. So I don't need a Facebook page!

Besides if I was to do social networking it would be a Google+ Account. Because I trust Google more than I do Facebook. Seriously this topic is so Lame. Well I suppose Vacuous is the better term. Only a complete bunch of airheads would repeat such a statement. And we know this story is at least a few days old.




...or you have good judgment.
By Beenthere on 8/8/2012 10:42:38 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty much anyone on Farcebook or similar is braindead and lacking of a clue. They will deny it of course, but it's true... and most of them know it's true.




In reality...
By Motoman on 8/8/2012 11:36:11 PM , Rating: 2
...it's people who *do* have FB accounts that should be held at arm's length.




By Richlet on 8/9/2012 3:26:14 AM , Rating: 2
Lived in a city where a huge majority of people my age smoked pot, hash, whatever. I was viewed with suspicion because I didn't happen to do drugs, so they assumed I was a narc. (hint, home of RIM)




I don't have a Facebook account
By bigboxes on 8/9/2012 6:11:10 PM , Rating: 2
I don't do twitter either. I have enough time wasters. I'm active on at three online forums and an admin on one of them. If I want to communicate with someone I will call them, text or send them an e-mail. I am very much into using the latest technology. I just don't use Facebook. I resent having to have a Facebook login just to post a comment online. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.




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