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F-35 faces more cost issues

The embattled F-35 Lightning II recently has been succeeding in most flight-testing benchmarks. However, concerns over cost continue to mount for the program both at home and abroad. The Pentagon Defense Acquisitions Board (DAB) noted at a February 21 meeting that it might call for a further slowdown in the production of the F-35 to trim program costs.
 
slowdown in production had previously been called for due to some issues with the aircraft needing to be addressed before they were built and sent into service. A further slowdown in production could happen because of high sustainment costs that would either force the Pentagon to slow production or trim flight hours for aircrew.
 
The Pentagon has previously said it wants to increase flight testing hours, not reduce them.
 
More work has to be done on cost according to a senior defense official because affordability is still an issue with aircraft. According to the official, F-35 purchases in the near-term could be reduced further or alternatively flight hours will have to be cut to save money for the program. Other costs for construction are also still not completely nailed down.

 
A formal memorandum will be issued on the F-35 in the coming weeks reports Defense News.
 
“The actual decision of the acting [undersecretary of defense for acquisition, technology and logistics] will come in a signed acquisition decision memorandum in the next few weeks, as soon as all the required certifications and documents are finalized,” Defense Department spokeswoman Cheryl Irwin wrote in an email to Defense News.
 
“Among these are an updated acquisition strategy reflecting the business plan going forward, as well as a new acquisition program baseline, which will set cost, schedule and performance parameters for the life of the program.”
 
For now the USAF, Navy, and Marine Corps still intend to by 2,443 F-35s. That number would be broken down with 1,763 F-35As going to the Air Force, and 680 F-35B and F-35C versions between the Navy and the Marine Corps.

Source: Defense News



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so what's the big deal
By Crazyeyeskillah on 2/23/2012 12:25:23 PM , Rating: 3
about this jet in regards to what is available now in the market? I'm just not up to date with planes like when i was 8 years old and had posters on my walls of every part in each fight jet explained. . .




RE: so what's the big deal
By fourdegrees11 on 2/23/2012 5:31:13 PM , Rating: 2
Similar combat capability as an F16, with the addition of low cost/maintenance stealth technology, and naval versions.


RE: so what's the big deal
By TSS on 2/23/2012 7:14:55 PM , Rating: 2
From wikipedia:
quote:
The F-35A is expected to match the F-16 in maneuverability and instantaneous and sustained high-g performance, and outperform it in stealth, payload, range on internal fuel, avionics, operational effectiveness, supportability, and survivability


So no it does not have similar combat capability, it has vastly superior combat capability. Stealth alone means the F35 can fire the same missile at a F16 sooner then the other way around, = win F35.

Also maintenance is way, way more expensive on the F35, it's a far more complex machine.

This thing is designed to beat anything on the market now. Basically to be the best fighter-bomber and the 2nd best air superiority fighter in the world. The only real problem is, with all the delays we should be around generation 5.5 fighters right now, rather then 5 barely. Which is allowing competition to catch up, or rather, come closer then they have in quite a while.


RE: so what's the big deal
By FITCamaro on 2/23/2012 8:15:04 PM , Rating: 2
Maintenance is simpler because it uses a more modular design. Instead of troubleshooting wire runs and hydraulic lines, entire sealed components are replaced. Yes this makes the components more expensive but you also don't have to spend tens of hours troubleshooting. The components also have far more sensors to report exactly what the problem is.

Know what you're talking about.


RE: so what's the big deal
By Jeffk464 on 2/23/2012 9:33:58 PM , Rating: 2
That's assuming our adversaries don't figure out a way to detect it on radar like the Serbs did with the f117


RE: so what's the big deal
By Reclaimer77 on 2/23/12, Rating: -1
RE: so what's the big deal
By FITCamaro on 2/24/2012 8:19:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It can't even beat our last generation air superiority fighter the F-22.


It's not designed to though.


RE: so what's the big deal
By fourdegrees11 on 2/24/2012 4:55:49 PM , Rating: 2
F-16s are getting avionics upgrades due to Lockheed's continued failures at delivering jets that work (f22 included). Capabilities are still fairly similar out side of stealth.

You have know idea how costly and time intensive low observable maintenance is on current platforms. F35 blows this problem out of the water. I was specifically referring to this with my comment about low cost/maintenance stealth....


RE: so what's the big deal
By Crazyeyeskillah on 2/24/2012 9:28:49 AM , Rating: 2
From what I can tell in past news articles we are only selling these fighters to our allies as of right now. Is there any serious competition from other models from other countries (china? russia?) that would be able to surpass this in battle?

Can someone mock me up a rough ranking of planes from say a top 10 list of superior to inferior? We have an airforce base a few minutes from my home that is supposed to have the f-35 coming here and I would take some pictures if anyone is interested once it arrives.


RE: so what's the big deal
By Crazyeyeskillah on 2/24/2012 9:31:26 AM , Rating: 2
does anyone know about how much louder these are than the f-16? There is a huge debate going on in my home town about bringing them to the base here and how much louder they are. There are houses literally less than 100 yards from the runway. . .


Underpowered
By toyotabedzrock on 2/23/2012 7:32:48 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't they report the plane was underpowered?

That doesn't sound like a plane passing all it's benchmark tests.




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