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The alleged Palm Pre 2.  (Source:

Updated Android Market.  (Source:
Pre 2 to boast 1 GHz processor, same form factor as original

Last week, we reported that a new Palm device, the Mansionwas in the works. The device was slated as the follow-up to the Palm Pre and would feature a touchscreen-only form factor, webOS 2.0, and a 800 x 480 resolution screen.

Things on the Mansion front got a little interesting yesterday, when the French carrier SFR posted photos and specs of the Palm Pre 2 on its website. While it looked like the carrier would be leaving the info up, the webpage is no longer available, casting some doubt on the credence of the information. Regardless, plenty of blogs got to it in time to document what SFR claimed was to be the new device from Palm. 

According to Precentral, we can expect a 1 GHz processor (possibly the TI OMAP 3630), 512MB of RAM, webOS 2.0 (which supposedly means half the boot time), and higher quality materials. The Pre 2 sports the same design as the current Pre with the touchscreen and slide-up QWERTY keyboard, which means that the Mansion is possibly a completely different Palm device. This assertion is further boosted by the fact that SFR listed the codename for the Palm 2 as "Roadrunner".

No mention of pricing or availability was made.

In other non-Windows Phone 7 newsAndroidCentral has gotten tips that a number of users still on Android 2.1 -- and even 1.6 -- received a software upgrade over the weekend (meaning no prompt to download and install) that updated the Android market. The updated market boasts a sleeker interface, the ability to update all apps, and allows automatic app updates. If you see the new market but never upgraded to Froyo, well, here's hoping you'll be able to update to Froyo soon. Until then, enjoy the added functionality of the market.

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Same old Palm....
By retrospooty on 10/12/2010 8:12:09 AM , Rating: 3
" The Pre 2 sports the same design as the current Pre with the touchscreen and slide-up QWERTY keyboard"

Yup... 1 1/2 years later and the next model looks exactly like the last model. Same old Palm that got them from market leader to obsolescence in a few short years.

Great OS, crappy hardware.

RE: Same old Palm....
By quiksilvr on 10/12/2010 9:13:19 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. They could have at least made it widescreen and got rid of those pesky rounded screen corners (kind of distracting when watching something)

RE: Same old Palm....
By clovell on 10/12/2010 9:50:03 AM , Rating: 1
It's a bit disconcerting to try to understand the decision that caused them to increase the resolution while keeping the screen size the same.

RE: Same old Palm....
By Spoelie on 10/12/2010 9:53:27 AM , Rating: 2
You mean like apple did?

RE: Same old Palm....
By n00bxqb on 10/12/2010 10:38:07 AM , Rating: 3
This is a little disappointing. I wish they would have made it a little wider, so they could put a better keyboard on. The hardware upgrades have been desperately needed for a while now, although the Pre Plus had 512 MB of RAM, so I wouldn't really consider that an upgrade.

I've been looking at replacing my Pre with a BB Torch because I like the design and concept, but the BB has a much nicer screen and keyboard. The only drawback is that Blackberry's OS sucks hardcore compared to WebOS.

RE: Same old Palm....
By Tabinium on 10/12/2010 9:30:55 AM , Rating: 2
The current Pre's small keyboard & screen, as well as an outdated processor, forced me to trade my Pre in for an Android phone (Droid 2). I miss the interface though. Show us new hardware running WebOS 2.0 with a decent sized screen, and they may win over a few users. Until then, why continue with a model that was a poor seller?

RE: Same old Palm....
By clovell on 10/12/2010 9:48:42 AM , Rating: 2
I guess you missed the part where the processor is upgraded to double clockspeed. The keyboard differentiated the phone when it launched.

RE: Same old Palm....
By retrospooty on 10/13/2010 8:25:38 AM , Rating: 2
NO, I didnt. What they need to do is release multiple form factors. We should be seeing WebOS with hardware choices like the Droid2, DroidX, incredible, Pre and Pixi - at a bare minimum.

Palm did this "milk the same form factor" act before.

Treo 600 - first in form factor
1 year later - Treo 650: added higher res screen and removable battery
1 year later - Treo 700: added EVDO radio
1 year later - Treo 750/755: removed external antenna
1 year later - TReo pro or 800 - slightly thinner

5 years later they had the same damn phone with a few minor tweaks that should/could have all been done in 1-2 years. meanwhile the world passed them by.

RE: Same old Palm....
By Moishe on 10/12/2010 10:12:29 AM , Rating: 2
I am still using my Palm Pre, and you are right. the OS is great, the hardware is lame.

It's a little slow, but not so much that I care. The thing that bugs me about this phone is the useless keyboard. It's too small and fails to type correctly most of the time. If the processor were faster and the keyboard were fixed, it'd be a very nice device.

By Cheesew1z69 on 10/12/2010 8:18:53 AM , Rating: 3
The Pre 2 sports the same design as the current Pre with the touchscreen and slide-up QWERTY keyboard, which means that the Mansion is possibly a completely different Palm device.
Huh? This makes 0 sense.

RE: huh?
By Marlonsm on 10/12/2010 10:31:34 AM , Rating: 2
I think it means that the Mansion might be yet another phone from Palm/HP, not the Pre 2.

And people put up with this?
By Shadowself on 10/12/2010 9:45:35 AM , Rating: 2
...users still on Android 2.1 -- and even 1.6 -- received a software upgrade over the weekend (meaning no prompt to download and install) that updated the Android market.

If I read this correctly the software update was downloaded into their phones and installed without *any* action on the user's part other than having the phone on and connected to their service provider?

Why would anyone consider that acceptable as a standard practice?

What if the new software were buggy? Are they going to back it out without telling me too?

What if I want to wait a week or so before downloading new software to see what the user community thinks of it?

What if I prefer the old variant (assuming it is still functional)?

People using the 1.6 version may have had a reason for maintaining configuration contol at that specific state. No notice (or ability to opt out) totally obviates this.

If this is going to be the standard practice in the Android world, I'm never going there.

By theapparition on 10/12/2010 9:56:56 AM , Rating: 1
Relax skippy. You should know by now not to trust the DT article word-for-word.

It means the updated was automatically downloaded, but it still prompted that it was going to be installed, as far as everything I've read so far indicated that to be true.

In the carrier world, most force updates, possible not right away, such as some prompt you to install and you can delay. But at some point, almost all carriers force those updates. It's not an Android thing, it's a carrier thing.

By Chris Peredun on 10/12/2010 8:38:16 AM , Rating: 2

And if you're hungry for more than a snack, it can cut bread too.

French leak first, hmm interesting...
By justjc on 10/12/2010 8:21:29 PM , Rating: 2
Hopefully this means that the UMTS/GSM version will be the first of the new Palms, after all the decision to use CDMA on their first generation was a big mistake keeping them from expanding into the rest of the world.

too little too late
By zorxd on 10/12/2010 8:40:50 AM , Rating: 1
You need to do better than current phones if you want to succeed. And current phones already have a 1 GHz CPU, 512 MB RAM and a 800x480 display.

"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance." -- Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer
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