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Community video portal once again accessible to Pakistani internet users

YouTube is back in Pakistan’s good graces again, with the country deciding to remove YouTube from its censor blacklist after it removed a “blasphemous” video from the site.

The actual video in question seems to differ, depending on who’s telling the story. According to the AP, the video clip in question was a trailer for the upcoming film Forbidden, made by a Dutch filmmaker who said wanted to “release a movie portraying Islam as fascist and prone to inciting violence against women and homosexuals.” Meanwhile, Pakistani Telecommunications Authority officials told the AFP that the video in question featured cartoons of the prophet Muhammad as published by Dutch newspapers in 2006.

Regardless of which videos were considered “totally anti-Quranic” and “very blasphemous,” some seem to think that the Pakistani government had a deeper agenda. Wahaj us Siraj, chief of the Pakistan Internet Service Providers Association, noted that “some Internet users are skeptical” over Pakistan’s official explanation.

“[They think] the government banned YouTube because it contained clips from a private television station which showed election rigging,” said Siraj.

“No Muslim would want to view the blasphemous content on any website,” said an anonymous internet user to the AFP, “the government is really disturbed over its defeat in elections and afraid of critical videos and remarks on YouTube.”

When Pakistan initially blocked YouTube last Sunday, an implementation error triggered a worldwide outage of the site for almost two hours. According to a senior PTA official, “this was not intentional and might have happened when an international company, which is routing Internet traffic to Pakistan, tried to block [YouTube].”

The Pakistani government says it blocked YouTube to prevent a repeat of the violent protests that sprung up over the 2006 cartoon, which featured Muhammad with his head uncovered and a bomb for a turban. PTA spokeswoman Nabiha Mahmood said the government originally filed a complaint through YouTube’s complaint system, but YouTube never replied.





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Internet + Politics! >:(
By lompocus on 2/27/2008 11:48:18 PM , Rating: 2
Argh, first crazy entrapeneurs want total control over the endless bowels of the 1nt3RnetZ (TM...;)), and now youtube has succomed to a puny nation's idea of restricting free speech.

Granted, if this were an anti-Christian video I'd get pissed off, but the 1nt3RnetZ is a place where we also get to hack apart, piece by piece, in some form of digital harrasment, the creator of said video. We are also able to identify those who are really racist, those who support this or support that, etc. Besides, my fellow Christians and Americans would not stoop to the level of issuing thousands of death threats a day to the creator of said video.

There WAS an incident a while ago where an idiot put a Crucifix in a bottle of piss, and the museum where it was displayed was almost burned down, but we certainly didn't start blowing everything apart anywhere close to the degree of what we can see from the Muslim culture (as well as any other culture that wants total censorship of anything that makes them look bad and makes them shed a tear).

Youtube shouldn't have taken down the video.




RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By zaki on 2/28/08, Rating: -1
RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By BansheeX on 2/28/2008 1:03:52 AM , Rating: 5
You're right. We should let speech be regulated by those who take power or are elected into power by the brainwashed masses. Those men are know morality and what's best for the promotion of peace far better than we do, and would never think of using one regulation on speech as a precedent to regulate against dissenting opinions of the government by selling it, too, under the umbrella of promoting peace and order.

Buy a freaking clue, and get me a souvenir while you're in la la land.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By zaki on 2/28/2008 12:38:13 PM , Rating: 2
you do not comprehend my comment properly.

you're talking about deleting youtube because it contains ideas against the government.

Im talking about deleting videos from youtube (or anywhere else) which are truly offensive and hinder progress towards peace and respect.

I mean I agree with your idea about censoring youtube because it contains views against the gov't. This has already happened on several levels in Pakistan media by Perves Musharraf. And it was wrong each time.

I can see why you were getting frustrated, but i assure you we are not talking about the same censorship.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By Ryanman on 2/28/2008 3:15:19 PM , Rating: 2
He DID comprehend your comment properly. You suggested that in the name of peace, any degree of censcorship and control is viable.
He replied, correctly, that the government and those in power would use your RIDICULOUS excuse to push censcorship even further than it has been in the past years.

You're a coward - trying to find a fix all for confrentation. The only reason these things are inflammatory is because muslims love making a racket and getting their way, thanks to people like you who would rather crush the freedom of their own people than fight for what is right.

The OP is an idiot, talking about how a crucifix in a bottle of urine almost got a couple people to set a place on fire. Even the band of Kansas christians who walk around with signs thanking god for dead soldiers have a right to do what they do. Although I have a human right to pour a bottle of piss with a crucifix in it on their heads.

We ARE talking about censorship: the same kind. There is only one kind and it's ugly in all of its forms.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By zaki on 2/28/2008 3:45:58 PM , Rating: 2
if i am a coward for thinking that we can get along and have peace, then so be it.

Terrorists WANT a confrontation, and i fear people like you are giving it to them (given terrorists are motivated and going out of their way to hurt others).

i support this by the war in iraq? how many al qaeda affiliates were there in iraq before U.S and allies attacked/liberated? Close to none, there were still terrorists, but no Al Qaeda like terrorists.

Once both sides agree to embrace each other, and there are several examples of this achievement, things will be fine.

this is matter of ideas, not fighting and confrontation in the physical sense. (although i doubt you were implying this, you did come across as a little aggressive).


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By Raidin on 2/28/2008 3:47:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Although I have a human right to pour a bottle of piss with a crucifix in it on their heads.


And what exactly do you think gives you that right?


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By FrankM on 2/28/2008 6:48:09 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
we denounce hatred, both against Islam and other religions. It is against Islam to disrespect other religions.


O RLY?

Interesting, I've heard otherwise: in some Arabian countries Islamic law says that those, who convert from Islam to Christianity, have to be killed by their parents. If they don't do it, then their relatives should kill him/her. If they don't do it either, then it's the local community's turn.
I've heard this from a member of a Christian organization, who met some converted Arabs last year at a big international conference; many of them had to hide their identity, and no pictures of them could be taken; some others didn't dare go back home after they converted.
You don't hate them, you just kill them? Spread with the sword? Talk crap about Westerners and Christianity, but at the first hint of criticism, pull down and ban sites and burn embassies? Talk about double standards...


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By zaki on 2/28/2008 12:32:11 PM , Rating: 2
First of all I do not deny that there is a lot of wrong hatred against different religions in muslim communities around the world (the same can be said about every other religion)

It is not ISLAMIC law which tells people to murder converts, that is not written in our holy book. It is the people using the religion to enforce themselves.

I do not "talk crap" about Christianity and the West, I recognize and embrace the differences. Please do not be offended by the comparisons/contrasts I made.

I can see YOU are just as angry as the people you speak of because right away without knowing me, you have blamed me for ridiculous things "You don't hate them, you just kill them?". I can understand that you're angry, but by talking like this you are expressing a behavior that is no better then the ones found in terrorists.

Do I blame you for anything? NO,
Do I blame Christianity for anything? NO
I blame the people who only have hate, and will do anything to get in power,

religion is about the last thing that terrorists care about, the have found a convenient host in the religion of Islam and the cultures where it has spread to become powerful and bully everybody.

so stop being self-centered,I am not blaming you.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By lompocus on 3/1/2008 12:18:44 AM , Rating: 2
You are not blaming us. You are avoiding the blame. You are saying it is your other muslims doing it, not you. Isn't there some sense of friendship among muslims? HELP YOUR BROTHER! Help them stop terrorism! Go in the streets and protest! Go and be an extremist AGAINST EXTREMISM, and ignore the death threats from your evil muslims as you, a good muslim, go out to help the evil muslims see the path.

After you realize that is a completely impossible proposition, convert to Catholicism!


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By sfi786 on 2/28/2008 9:41:53 AM , Rating: 1
Who are you preaching to?

To people who are told by the media everyday 24 HRS as to what to think. What to say. What to wear. When you should get angry. When you should laugh. Who is you enemy and who is your friend. All Times and the Posts have already told them what Islam is who Muslim are. They are too lazy to go to their Muslim neighbor with whom they are living for last 20 years and he have not choose 64 virgins over them. Or their Cab Driver of their Doctor or Their Financial Consultant and ask him questions. They rather believe what is convenient and feels good to them. As God say in Quran that they only believe in lies and they only follow their own desires. All off them feel like they have already figured out what Islam is so we do not need to ask a Muslim "Hey Muslim! is that true? Is that what you really believe?". No. They cant. Because the answer may destroy their the paradigm they have build in their mind. Israel/Afghanistan/Iraq/Pakistan/Iran/Syria for them it is same thing. Same conditions. Same circumstances. Just Same. In last 30 years the People of Pakistan sacrifice so many lives and have destroy their own culture in recent years just to help us fight the War on terror and they are still the bad one.

We do not need to cater to the ignorant one. Their are people who still have curiosity and mind of their own. So they do get of their butt and go to their Muslim neighbor and ask questions. That is why Islam is still the #1 spreading religion in the world. Even after all their Lies and Propaganda. They killing Muslim babies everyday and saying we re giving them freedom. Muslim are not that stupid. Go move your car from the middle of the road Cop may give you a ticket for exercising your freedom to park.
A slave is offering other Freedom?

Question everything...That is my suggestion and only way to peace. Because sitting here I can tell everything you are being told about Muslim and Islam is crap. Yes that is a Challenge. Leave you with one example: You been told Muslim believe that if you are martyr you get 64 virgins. Right. Now on the surface that statement is correct. But when they told you that they also defined the word martyr for you. They connected martyr with suicide bombing. Here are the facts. A Muslim is not allowed to kill any Innocent person,Woman,child and elderly. We are not even allowed to destroy a tree during war. Now that is Islam. A person who commit suicide will go through the same pain he felt the very last seconds till the end of eternity. Second this body does not belonge to U it is a trust God have given to U. You are duty is to keep it clean and protected. That is Islam as 1.25 Billion Muslim know it. If you see something happening contrary to what i said then look closer. You will find the answers.

Sorry if i offended anybody. It is just too much. There are too many lies being spread against my religion. Sometime get carried away.

I apologize. ( Also please forgive me for my bad Queens English)


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By nbachman on 2/28/2008 11:19:56 AM , Rating: 1
This is totally off topic, but what happens when someone uses pain killers to commit suicide?


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By Raidin on 2/28/2008 2:36:48 PM , Rating: 3
You die painlessly?


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By sfi786 on 2/28/2008 5:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
When somebody decides to die they must be in very bad shape. Even if you take painkiller their is still a state of waiting. You remembering everything and waiting. At the same time hoping some body will magically come in and stop you . No death is easy so you will stay in that waiting state for rest of eternity. Suicide is one of Major Major sin in Islam.

BTW: According to Islam a person who is killed by some one or die of an accident also goes to haven and consider a martyr. So people who are being killed have more chance of getting to haven then those killing them.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By rcc on 2/28/2008 3:05:29 PM , Rating: 2
Zaki,

This sfi786 guy, and people like him, are as much or more of a problem than the websites and cartoons, etc.

I realize his intent is much as yours, to say that Islam is not about screaming fanatics and blowing things up. However, the approach is the same, "don't try to talk to them they are idiots, won't listen, are brainwashed, etc.

The problem is that noisy people get attention, and these terrorists are not identifying themselves as terrorists, or (enter nationality here); they identify themselves as muslims or followers of Islam. So yes, we get a skewed view of what an "average" muslim is.

So, please continue to inform us, we'll listen, and discuss, and perhaps argue, but that's ok. And while you are at it, convince sfi786 to do the same.

I'll respect yours, if you respect mine. : )


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By zaki on 2/28/2008 3:55:41 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I mean I think the more I talk with people of different cultures and religions (which i have had the opportunity to do a lot of) the greater the harmony has been.

There are people all over the world who hate others for pathetic reasons.

Another fact I think people in the west might benefit from, is that terrorists hate other Muslims as much if not more than westerners/Christians. The common people in Pakistan ( I cant really speak for other places) dont really have a voice, and they get along just fine with native Christians in Pakistan. Take this with a grain of salt, because I cannot deny that there is still a lot of hatred.
That is why it hurts those people/media person generalize about people in the muslim world.

The more we connect people to people, the fewer terrorists there will be.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By sfi786 on 2/28/2008 5:40:34 PM , Rating: 2
You kinda misunderstand my strategy here. You ever seen when somebody talking to somebody about some 3rd person while that 3rd person is also present. I just want you to use your mind. Challenge the media. Somebody tells you their was a suicide bomb on Sunni don't just believe that it was done by shiats. Wait for proof. Investigate. If suicide bomber is blasted in to smithereens then how we know who he was and what were his intentions. I am telling you from my sincere heart things are not what they seem to be. There is lot of fishy stuff going on. If we are reading and writing there post on technical information and news site it tells me we are smarter then normal people. We should be the last one to just believe and not question. Islam tells me to get at least three different sources before I believe when somebody tells me something. You do not have to be Muslim to believe that. It is common sense. Right? Then lets do it. Research it. Lets get rid of this blame game and learn about each other. Working for peace is the last things people in power want. But we can get together and make it happen. Read It. Learn It. Then Spread the word.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By eye smite on 2/28/2008 10:55:33 AM , Rating: 4
Believe me, I'm sure most of us would love to ban videos and demonstrations held by the KKK and the Arian Nation, the problem with that is it goes against our constituion. What happens in those situations here is most people simply pay them no mind. With no audience for them to preach to, they typically give up on putting energy into spreading their aggresive, prejudice mockery. If anyone disagrees with me please speak up. We really don't like it anymore than muslims, buddists or anyone else does, but if we restrict the freedom of speech because we don't like what they're saying, that violates our own law. Any yay or nay sayers on this?


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By zaki on 2/28/2008 12:24:56 PM , Rating: 2
i agree with this, all im trying to say is that because so many muslims belong to a different culture, a culture where people usually like to be vocal about their emotions/opinions more than over here in the states. For example, its not that people dont care about stuff here, its just that you wont see them in the streets protesting regularly either.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By Raidin on 2/28/2008 2:49:53 PM , Rating: 2
It's really that simple. If you claim to believe in the freedom of speech yet wish to censor things you don't like, you're contradicting yourself. Freedom is synonymous with sacrifice. We must endure other people's freedoms if we are to be able to claim our own.

But at the same time, everyone must realize and always remember that freedom is only just as long as it does not impede on another human being's freedom. Once a person crosses the line and curbs/takes away someone else's freedom, they have gone beyond their own, and no one has that right.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By AWeav09 on 2/28/2008 6:58:37 AM , Rating: 1
Internet plus Politics factorial is greater than Frowny Face? I don't get it...


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By Raidin on 2/28/2008 3:08:07 PM , Rating: 2
I think you've just solved the DaHehe Code!


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By Adonlude on 2/28/2008 2:07:11 PM , Rating: 2
I read something like this and all I can think is "god people are stupid". I dream of a day when there is no more religion of any kind. A day when the feeble minded human race gets off it's high horse and realizes that they are not special, that they are not divine, that they are merely slightly more intelligent versions of all the other life on their planet. Human intelligence is not necessarily even high on a universal scale, we don't know, we aren't intelligent enough to know.

Islam's prophets and their 72 virgins, Scientologists human seeding hydrogen bomb planning aliens, The Book of Mormon translated from golden plates using a "seer stone" in a hat, Christianity with Eve made from Adams rib, talking burning bushes, parted seas, every animal in the world on a boat...

Do you even realize how stupid this all sounds? People are killing over this stuff! Somewhere during some time some guy wrote a freaken Harry Potter novel and accidentally labeled it "Bible" or "Torah" or "Quran" and people have been sticking sharp things in each other ever since.

You know how when you read about the history of some civilization long past and you think "What? Really? They did that? They believed that? Are you kidding?" You religious type are, right this very moment, ensuring the same reactions for the civilizations of the future. In fact there is probably some alien race watching us right now and having a good laugh over how we go into buildings several times a week to sing songs and eat Jesus crackers (much more palatable with a cheese spread or some paté by the way).

Oh but some of you are above all this nonsense because you don't interpret your religions teachings literally right? You mold and personalize your religion to fit you. You just go ahead and chisel out those commandments on the stone tablets that don’t fit your way of life. You do whatever you have to do to live exactly how you want to live without jeopardizing your precious belief that you will have an afterlife. Please, what a cop out.

People can believe in whatever ridiculous thing they want, I don’t care, but the moment those beliefs cause a person to affect the outside world that I live in then I am not happy and I will want to take action against that person. I will also want to take action against whatever caused that person to do what they did, in this case their religion

Don’t touch the internet Pakistan, your 72 virgins will still be there waiting for you, just leave the internet alone. Thanks.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By Raidin on 2/28/2008 2:54:13 PM , Rating: 2
Your argument is flawed. You don't destroy religion just because you see religion as the cause of violence. If I kill someone and claim the reason as my religious belief, you don't go after my religion, you go after me. I am the cause, I made the choice, no matter what I believe.

If you get into a car accident and kill someone, I won't lobby for the abolishment of motor vehicles.

It's obvious that you don't believe in faith, which makes you biased. You have to be objective and fair-minded towards all others or else what you say simply won't matter to anyone.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By Adonlude on 2/28/2008 4:56:14 PM , Rating: 2
You are right, destroying religion is not the answer, nor is it plausable. I would not suggest taking freedoms away from any group of people, that would be un-American. I do feel that no society should have laws or regulations based on a religious belief and that we should take action against those societies that do. Religion should stay in the place of worship or in the home. Countries where women are forced to cover their bodies with robes or are killed for sleeping around are obviously governed by religion and should be forced to remove the religious aspects from their law books.

Just as I don't want to be in a car with a drunk behind the wheel, I dont want to live on a planet where powerful nuclear armed countries exist with a religion bound person behind the button.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By sfi786 on 2/28/2008 5:55:24 PM , Rating: 2
unless you can provide some proof that not covering is better then covering. Sleeping around is better then not sleep around. You argument would not hold water to convince somebody to change their ways. I will also wait for you proof about woman being force to cover up. It is part of religious tradition from Eve to every believing women. They choose it. It is not forced. You could say it is encouraged. For their own protection and to guard their modesty.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By sfi786 on 2/28/2008 5:08:08 PM , Rating: 1
Muslim also believe when you go to haven there all rivers of honey, there are garden of fresh fruits, A kind of drink that you never get drunk from and never have a hangover, All of the good things of this world and then some. Why concentrate on 60+ virgins most of the people getting that already in this world. You got enough money in western society you can sleep with 360+ virgins a year. This all propaganda is spread to discredit us so you wont listen to us and they can keep making money out of you. Oppression and occupation came first suicide bombing came later. Before 80s their was no sign of any Muslim doing any this that they are being blamed for. Muslims have been here for 1300 years now. How would you explain that. If Muslim really believed what you guying saying they believe the why they did not get rid of the 'infidals' when they had a chance. When they were ruling almost the world? Why there are still churches standing in Spain, in India, and every where muslim ruled. The fact is Muslim are one the mose tolerant people on this earth. Christian and Jews being living with Muslim for Centuries. It only the colonialist who came in a divided them and created hatred amongst them. Like in Iraq. We have different ideas but different never leads to War unless there is somebody how would make money out of it and this century has been all about that. Profit! From the 1st world war to the war in Iraq it is all about the money.

Just on a side note I hate when somebody passes a judment on something he have no idea about. How could you say for example Christianity is wrong if u never studied it. Or Islam if you never opened the Quran? When we say Jesus,Moses and Mohammad we are talking about Prophets. They were not ordinary men and they brought something with them to prove it. I beieve on all three of them but as a Muslim I can give you my proof. God says in Quran "If you think this book is from anybody other then God then surely you will find lot of mistakes". So in order to prove Quran is not from God you only have to find one mistake/Contridiction in whole Quran. Remember this challenge to humanity has been their for last 1300 year and so far no one have proven a single mistake and no body ever will be able to (God willing).

You believe on Darwin (of neo Darwin) bring forth your proof.

Good Luck.


RE: Internet + Politics! >:(
By lompocus on 3/1/2008 12:37:50 AM , Rating: 2
I thank the lord for stopping my computer's clock at precisely 9:29 PM, resulting in me googling it (I also found out it had been stuck like that for an hour.

Unfourtunately I forgot if it was 9:29 or 2:29 or 10:29 but I googled 9:29 and found a verse from the q-'ran-dizzle (my new slang version for your foolish book) "9:5" from some revelation book.

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Linky: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/9/

You can barely spell, have been reduced to "The West is the dev1l!", are struck by emotional distraught, etc., etc., and should now leave your faith and start a deep cycle of thinking about your life.

I'm a Catholic and believe in Evolution. If any of you retards here at dailytech really think our Lord created the earth and everything in 7 short days and he made little mice then little waves then little clouds then little monkeys then little people then you need to attend a religious education program. Back then, we didn't have these idiotic debates as we do now because nowadays the liberals have killed religious education unless you're the lucky one in a religious family.

And I have my proof, sfi. *Holds up a fossil*. *Sfi doesn't understand*. *I wave fossile in Sfi's face*. *Sfi says its fake*. *Throws fossil over SFI's head and says "fossil fossil!"*. *Sfi still doesn't understand*. *Knocks SFI over the head with a fossil*.

@ the other guy that sfi was responding to about religion sucking: You're also an idiot. I realize I've turned 99% of the population of DT into my enemy by initiating every debate with telling the receiving end they are an idiot. I tell your people to 1) Read the Bible 2) Visit and listen to a Catholic Mass 3) Attend a college level theology course on EVERY religion 4) Attend a Catholic theology course. They come back and tell me the bible says the world was made in 7 days, there were no dinosaurs, there was an adam and eve, God really does magically appear out of nowhere and goes lighting crazy on us just for the hell of it, and that Israel crossed the "Red" Sea.

I then slap them in the face with my Holy Bible and tell them its easy to see when they havn't followed steps 1, 2, 3, or 4. Then I give them my Holy Bible and surround the interrogee with linemen with the order to kill the second he stops reading the Bible.

Then he comes back and says "Oh, I understand now! The Bible follows modern Science!". Unfourtunately not many people have survived past stage 2.


What do you say to this?
By eye smite on 2/27/2008 10:20:53 PM , Rating: 3
Is it a good thing they have the tube back or a bad thing? I really can't say.......




RE: What do you say to this?
By sfi786 on 2/27/08, Rating: 0
RE: What do you say to this?
By destiny110 on 2/28/08, Rating: -1
RE: What do you say to this?
By brenatevi on 2/28/2008 6:32:46 AM , Rating: 2
So what is respect? At what point does criticism become disrespect? At what point does silence mean acceptance of terror?

If you want respect, you must show respect. Clean your own house before you worry about what others think of you.


RE: What do you say to this?
By Noya on 2/28/2008 8:51:11 AM , Rating: 4
First off, your English is atrocious.

Secondly, any culture that makes women wear black sheets over 99% of their body in public (in 120* heat) while the men walk around like kings in white sheets...can go to hell. This is the 21st century for Christ's sake.

(Despite "hell" and "Christ"...I'm an athiest).


RE: What do you say to this?
By Spivonious on 2/28/2008 10:11:29 AM , Rating: 2
Just because you think it's wrong doesn't mean they think it's wrong.


RE: What do you say to this?
By eye smite on 2/28/2008 10:38:06 AM , Rating: 3
I don't necessarily think it's wrong, but it's not practical. Black sheets are hot hot hot in the summer time, a lighter color would be cooler. Just a thought.

Oh, also I don't think any religion is right or wrong and I certainly don't suffer from the delusion that I'm right and someone else is wrong. I'm sure right and wrong are defined by the individual for what works in their life and what doesn't.


RE: What do you say to this?
By crimson117 on 2/28/2008 11:24:46 AM , Rating: 2
A theory from everything2:
quote:
In days of yore, the cloth was, as default, white. So all clothing in the area would be white, or a shade thereof. The men, being (for the most part) rather practical, and spending their days doing menial, practical tasks, were (for the most part) content to wear this shade. The women, who (forgive my generalisation) seem to be more interested in the social scene, wanted to liven up their garb - so they invested in dyes. The dyes in the area were all a sort of deep purple, and were quite costly and hard to obtain. As such, most women could only afford to dip their clothing in the dye once, or maybe twice... producing a rather pale tone. The more wealthy you were, the more dye you could afford. Your clothing would be correspondingly richer in hue... eventually becoming more or less black. So black clothing amongst women would have become a kind of status symbol, which eventually became a tradition.


RE: What do you say to this?
By eye smite on 2/28/2008 11:31:05 AM , Rating: 4
Ok that makes sense and certainly shows me why they endure such a hot color in the sun.


RE: What do you say to this?
By zaki on 2/28/2008 12:54:51 PM , Rating: 2
did CNN tell you that?

have you ever been abroad?

Are you saying all muslim nations are the same?

The muslim world spans across several races and cultures.

such rash comments and arrogance only reflects poorly of you own culture. Perhaps you will keep this in mind before you speak the next time.


RE: What do you say to this?
By sfi786 on 2/28/2008 6:18:53 PM , Rating: 2
I do not know what 21st century have any thing to do with anything. Lying was bad in first century it is still bad today. So are all the commandments. if you change Your fashion, Your believes, Your Opinions with time then fine. Do not expect others follow just because time has changed. In 50s in europe a women who would show her ankle was consider bad woman. Nowadays same thing she just have to show you a little bit more skin to get a title of being a slut. We are not talking about her freedom to wear what she like we are just talking about cause and effect. Just because you can do it. It does not mean you HAVE TO do it.

Simple.

BTW: Hell's temperature is about 1400 Degrees Celcious. 120 is still far short of that and those believing women know that.


RE: What do you say to this?
By threepac3 on 2/28/2008 8:53:18 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds like you haven't grown up yet.


RE: What do you say to this?
By MAIA on 2/28/2008 9:53:54 AM , Rating: 2
As someone who grew up in the west, been christian but now agnostic, i must say i feel for you, my fellow human being.

The power of freedom of speech is often misused, like those stupid cartoons. The west has lost its way on many aspects when it comes to respect other cultures and religions. We have the feeling our rightousness is absolute due to our scientific and technological success, but in its essence it's all smoke&mirrors.

I do know about the secular islam, not this recent fundamentalism which i despise. I know most of you fight against this fundamentalism. Too bad westerners put you all in the same bag. Lack of knowledge brings stupidity. Add a bit of the so called all righteous freedom of speech and there you have a bunch of idiots mocking other people and culture.

In the mean time, i quote Soren Kierkegaard:
quote:
People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.


Much respect my friend ...


RE: What do you say to this?
By Spivonious on 2/28/2008 10:13:35 AM , Rating: 3
Is it idiotic to mock another person's culture? Yes. But the mocker has every right to mock, and the other person has every right not to look at the mockery.


RE: What do you say to this?
By eye smite on 2/28/2008 10:46:13 AM , Rating: 4
Well obviously freedom of speech encompasses any comment anyone would like to make. lol It's whether other people are accepting of it or not. Obviously some people will be and some people won't. Too often though mockery stems from pre-conceived uneducated opinions without researching the subject being commented on. It sounds like I'm preaching here and I need to just shutup. It's human nature though to be slow to change and quick to judge on many things. I could be wrong though.


RE: What do you say to this?
By sfi786 on 2/28/2008 6:33:14 PM , Rating: 2
Secular Muslim is a contradiction in term. Muslim is the one who submits his will to God while secular does not accept the authority of God and gives him self to the world (becomes materialistic). Misunderstanding starts when you believe that those Muslim who are committing those crimes are actually Fundamentalists (Believing on the foundation). It could not be far from reality. It they were actually doing what their realign asked them to do they would not be doing what they are doing.

sec·u·lar (sky-lr)
adj.
1. Worldly rather than spiritual.
2. Not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body: secular music.
3. Relating to or advocating secularism.
4. Not bound by monastic restrictions, especially not belonging to a religious order. Used of the clergy.
5. Occurring or observed once in an age or century.


(Gasp)
By Trisagion on 2/27/2008 10:53:29 PM , Rating: 4
Are those people in the pic begging for YouTube access? :o




RE: (Gasp)
By BruceLeet on 2/27/2008 10:56:22 PM , Rating: 5
no its an exploit

Dailytech pics are getting cheaper and cheaper.


RE: (Gasp)
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/28/2008 12:25:35 AM , Rating: 4
I do feel I went a little over the top with the image. It mocks real emotions of real people, and I apologize for it. It's since been replaced.


RE: (Gasp)
By Trisagion on 2/28/2008 3:19:21 AM , Rating: 2
Is that Britney Spears begging for Youtube access? :o


GREAT!
By Gul Westfale on 2/27/08, Rating: 0
RE: GREAT!
By cokbun on 2/28/2008 12:35:09 AM , Rating: 2
oh yeah, youtube baaaad, pornsites goooooood


RE: GREAT!
By flare99 on 2/28/2008 1:43:16 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
by Gul Westfale on February 27, 2008 at 11:58 PM

now all they need is some computers. and internet.


... and you a brain cause you really don't know what you are talking about.


RE: GREAT!
By Gul Westfale on 2/28/2008 7:21:52 AM , Rating: 1
and you sir, are in need of a sense of humour.


RE: GREAT!
By flare99 on 2/28/2008 3:19:52 PM , Rating: 2
you definitely don't know the difference between sense of humor and insult. Oh well!


RE: GREAT!
By Gul Westfale on 2/28/2008 7:35:28 PM , Rating: 1
what i was alluding to in my OP is that there are not enough people in pakistan with a PC and/or internet connection for youtube to "corrupt" their society. hence "now they only need to get computers." sarcasm, not insult.


RE: GREAT!
By flare99 on 2/28/2008 9:13:18 PM , Rating: 2
That's exactly my point. You probably don't know Pakistan. You would be amazed how many people have computers there and to what extent.


For God's sake!
By sibbor on 2/28/2008 8:25:08 AM , Rating: 1
They're so damn (fucking) silly! Countries should really stop trying to ban certain websites, like Youtube and Google. China, Pakistan... silly retards leading those countries. Almost like Bush leading the US.. ;)




RE: For God's sake!
By Noya on 2/28/2008 8:52:38 AM , Rating: 2
lol


RE: For God's sake!
By eye smite on 2/28/2008 11:13:45 AM , Rating: 4
I can see you feel strongly about this, I'm curious though as to what makes you think you can influence how people live in another country? Not being agro here, I'm really curious. I can be opinionated on anything I come across, but as to how people live, I don't have the right to impose my beliefs of right and wrong on them. Other countries have for centuries and will continue to live differently from how we do here in America. So, them being silly? Perhaps. Us telling them how to live? No.


RE: For God's sake!
By Raidin on 2/28/2008 3:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
It's not necessarily telling them how to live, it's not that broad as I see it.

I believe (my opinion) that a country should not dictate how its citizens should live outside the boundaries of the law. It should be up to each citizen whether to feel offended or not, and do something about it (within reason), not the government.

On a side note, it's sad to see YouTube never responded to a complaint sent in by a nation's own government, lol...


Not Surprising
By sh3rules on 2/28/2008 9:16:26 AM , Rating: 2
In several countries (e.g. Netherlands or Denmark), people have been killed or threatened by their criticisms of Islam, which is barbaric and medieval in my book. There are anti-Christian videos on YouTube, but you don’t see Christians taking to the streets demanding that the authors be killed (as Turkish immigrants did in Germany). I don’t have much sympathy for our (mainly Protestant) fundamentalists here in the U.S., but the reaction from the Western culture has been more civilized. Our religious types just get pissed off.




RE: Not Surprising
By cokbun on 2/28/2008 9:39:46 AM , Rating: 2
there are 2 types of moslems the educated-moderate type ones which i usually hang out with,we talk about girls, computers and
normal stuffs. and then there are the osama bin laden ' death to the infidels' yelling type. when the 2nd type is majority in a country or in the government. then that country is screwed. and things like these happens.. alot


RE: Not Surprising
By Hexus on 2/28/2008 12:41:56 PM , Rating: 2
Moslems? Do you hang out in Whoville? It would explain for the trickle down logic too.


RE: Not Surprising
By Alazar on 2/28/2008 12:43:52 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently him and his Moslem friends don't hang out in a library or he could have spelled that right.


In other news...
By Dasickninja on 2/28/2008 9:00:28 AM , Rating: 2
Worker productivity and student grades have plummeted 60%, while support for Ron Paul and Barack Obama have risen 75%.




RE: In other news...
By AlphaVirus on 2/28/2008 11:23:33 AM , Rating: 2
Uhmm what?


RE: In other news...
By JKflipflop98 on 2/28/2008 11:54:33 AM , Rating: 2
That could only work out if Marijuana use is up 100% :)


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