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More customers are trading their PS3's for Xbox 360's

A little over a month ago, Sony was sitting in a good position with over 50 million PlayStation 3 units sold worldwide. But after the recent security breach, customers are getting fed up and even began trading their PS3's for Xbox 360's. 

The PlayStation 3 is Sony's third home video game console in the PlayStation series, and was released in 2006. One of its most notable features is its online gaming service called the PlayStation Network (PSN), which offers online multiplayer gaming and digital media delivery. But on April 20 of this year, the network went down after millions of users' personal information and even credit card numbers were stolen in a massive security breach. Sony didn't announce what had happened until April 26. 

Now, retail numbers are beginning to show the customer's frustrations. According to different video game retailers around the world, gamers have been trading their PS3's for Xbox 360's at an increasing rate, and have even switched pre-orders of certain game titles from PS3 to Xbox 360.

"In the first week of downtime we did not really see any major change in sales or trades," said an anonymous UK retailer. "However, from the second week onwards we have seen an increase of over 200 percent on PS3 consoles being traded in, split almost 50/50 between those trading for cash and those taking a 360 instead."

According to UK retailers, the week ending March 16 showed that 49 percent of users bought "Call of Duty: Black Ops" for Xbox 360 while only 37 percent bought the PS3 version. At the end of the following week, 52 percent of bought the PS3 version while only 40 percent bought the Xbox 360 version.

But after April 20, these numbers began changing. In the week ending April 30, 59 percent of "Black Ops" sales went to the Xbox 360 while 30 percent went to the PS3. Last week, 66 percent of users bought the Xbox 360 title while 24 percent bought the PS3 title. 

In addition to "Call of Duty: Black Ops," another popular game, "FIFA 11," saw a decline in PS3 versions. In the week ending April 16, Xbox 360 had 49 percent of the sales while PS3 had 37 percent, and the week after, Xbox 360 stayed at the top with 46 percent and PS# at 34 percent. The numbers became more obvious in the week ending April 30 with Xbox 360 at 52 percent and PS# at 26 percent, and last week with Xbox 360 at 49 percent and PS3 at 21 percent. 

"At the end of each month, people come to sell their consoles," said Tom Mestdagh, from Belgian indie Gameswap. "People that need money [to pay bills]. What's different this time around is that they are bringing in PS3's together with all their games and they don't want money, they want an Xbox 360. In every case it is because of 'Black Ops' and/or 'Modern Warfare 2.' We're just ten days into the month and already we have an increase of 200 percent in PS3's coming into the store compared to all of March. Normally we sell them really fast, but not this time. We've only sold 30 to 40 percent of our inventory right now."

Reports also noted that PSN customers are upset with how Sony has handled this issue, and they've even stopped complaining about the charges for Xbox Live. Customer satisfaction is undoubtedly at a low, and Sony's problems only seem to be getting worse.

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Why stick with Sony?
By Aloonatic on 5/13/2011 7:55:51 AM , Rating: 5
I've been a PlayStation customer since the PS One, and have been relatively happy. I'm no fanboy though, I tend to get other consoles too (sooner or later) and I've owned an original xBox and I have a Wii too. I've stuck to mostly investing in my PS3 this time around however, largely due to the exclusives (at the time) like Metal Gear Solid and Gran Turismo. The free PSN was a bonus, as I don't play on-line much, but do from time to time, as was BluRay.

Next time though, when it comes to choosing a PS4 or a xBox XXX, I'm almost certainly going to change teams. Metal Gear is no longer a PS exclusive, and GT 5 was a bit of a disappointment, especially after all the waiting.

Then there's the motion sensing "fad", and hopefully MS will refine Kinect (to make it work in slightly smaller spaces somehow, for many of us Brits who are squeezed into tiny houses) which I think has far more potential than (the Wii clone) PS Move has.

This PSN problem is just one of a lot of issues around the PS3 that make it almost certain that I wont be staying with Sony. The long waits (both for games and hardware), the price, the lack of exclusives while MS still seem to have plenty (Halo and GoW spring to mind, in the console market anyway).

Yes, MS have hardly been faultless with the xBox, and maybe the mists of time are making the RRoD issue not seem so bad, especially as I have no been directly affected, but I don't think that MS will be rushing to market the next time around to gain market share and they will have hopefully learned their lesson by now.

I doubt I'm the only Sony PlayStation user to be thinking this way. Maybe by the time the next generation comes around (in what? A Years time?) things might be different, but I think that Sony are lucky that this has happened now, and not when the next gen consoles are just around the corner and pre-orders are being taken.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By techsarge1 on 5/13/2011 8:34:11 AM , Rating: 2
I have always been a fan of the Playstation and have owned one of each. This is an unfortunate incident however this could happen anywhere, and I do mean anywhere.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By Aloonatic on 5/13/2011 9:06:01 AM , Rating: 2
I quite agree, it certainly could happen anywhere. If anything, I hope that this puts the breaks on the whole "cloud" thing.

It's not just the PSN network that has issues. Many people on here rave about Steam, and I've got 1 game that uses steam. Empire: Total War. I bought it on disk, but it forced me to install Steam and it wont run without Steam working. I don't play on it all that often and I've only had the game a year or so, but I've had to re-install Steam a few times now, and had issues with it changing comparability modes and all sorts, sometimes leading to me not being able to play the game that I have the disk for sat on the shelf for a fair while and not everyone is going to be comfortable doing the things that the internet suggests for sorting out corrupt Steam installs and updates.

I can't help but feel that we are still a little too far away from the internet/cloud nirvana, that we are being lead to believe is what we all really want/need, on all levels. On the user/software level, e.g. issues like steam and what happens when it goes wrong. On the infrastructure level, e.g. broadband infrastructures being too slow and highly contended, before even thinking about many families home networks that have cheap wireless routers that their ISP's provide that are being connected to by all sorts of devices. Then finally there's the server/corporate side, as seen with even Sony not being able to keep their service secure and up and running reliably.

Imagine if you had to connect to the PSN to simply play a game at all, regardless of whether you want to play on-line? Or if we had started to go down the cloud computing (not just storage) route that has been mooted a few times in the recent past, where a lot is processed "in the cloud". At least I can play on my console at the moment, but in the promised land of cloud computing, I'd be jiggered.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By JediJeb on 5/13/2011 9:23:52 AM , Rating: 3
I agree with the problems of going to "the cloud" as so many commercials talk about. Micro Soft has been pushing their version of Office that stays on their server, what would happen to everyone needing to complete their homework or business project if that server was attacked like this?

I know this PSN attack is getting some press but what would it be like if someone attacked Apple's iTunes servers? Can you imagine the outrage if that happened.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By SKiddywinks on 5/13/2011 9:41:14 AM , Rating: 2
I believe the latest Street Fighter on PS3 requires you to be connected to the PSN to play it. Not sure about the 360 version though.

As for Steam, you don't have to be online for anything, so long as you plan in advance.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By Aloonatic on 5/13/2011 9:53:34 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I know that you don't actually have to be on-line, but you have to have an install of Steam that is not corrupt/is working properly. I never said that it has to be able to connect on-line, just that Steam has to be working, but I can see how you might have thought that that is what I was getting at :o)

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By kleinma on 5/13/2011 10:06:15 AM , Rating: 5
But it didn't happen "anywhere" It happened to Sony. They did a horrible job with PR and informing their customers what, why, and how. The PSN has been offline for almost a month, and will likely be 5-6 total weeks to get it back online.

Microsoft has been hosting live services for a lot longer than Sony has, and they have not had this breach. MS has learned their lesson on security and is much more conscious of it when building these types of systems now. Not saying they are perfect, or that it is not possible for it to happen to them, just saying they have more experience and have done more to make security priority one. I also feel it it had happened to MS, they would have been more transparent about the issue, and quicker to get info to their users.

Sony keeps on adding to their track record of poor security.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By phantom505 on 5/13/2011 11:36:37 AM , Rating: 3
Sony products have been pretty much horrible for my entire life. Quality control was horrible. To this day I don't think I've had a Sony device last as long as the competition. The one exception may be an old cassette Walkman. 2 PS1, too many stereos, VCRs, and DVD players to ever want to think about. Even my OEM stuff made by Sony failed. So yeah, this is not a surprise. They lost their rep because their PR got lousy, but their products has always been lousy. Now they match.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By Hiawa23 on 5/13/2011 9:21:15 AM , Rating: 3
I am sorry, this might be going overboard. I own both consoles, I primarily only use my PS3 for blu-ray, & exclusives, don't really like PSN, so I rarely play it online, own about 16 games for it. I own 90 360 games & love Xbox Live but I wouldn't trade in the PS3 for it just cause PSN was down a few weeks. I have seen no hits on the credit card I use for my Playstation account so other than no internet on the PS3, this really hasn't affected me much, & it's hard for me to fathom why many would trade it in for the 360. Sony will fix this...

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By Hiawa23 on 5/13/2011 9:26:54 AM , Rating: 2
Like I said I use mine for SP, & bluray on the PS3, online on the 360 so I baffled why many would trade the console just cause online was down a few weeks. Go out get some fresh air, do something constructive until it comes back up. I bought Socom 4 so I hope it comes back up soon so I can play that online.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By Manch on 5/13/2011 9:49:30 AM , Rating: 2
Talk about a let down! SOCOM 4 sucks tho so you're not missing anything. They turned it into a BF/COD rip off. You're not missing anything.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By Alexvrb on 5/13/2011 10:16:16 PM , Rating: 3
You just admitted that you don't use the PS3 online much, and yet you're saying PSN being down isn't a big deal. See the problem here? If you used PSN daily to play games with your homies, you'd be pissed off too. Especially if a lot of the games you play are multi-platform games, and your bro is LOLing at you and playing on 360 or PC.

But that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that they were running unpatched software with inadequate security measures and known vulnerabilities. So they're guilty of being incompetent, for starters. Then they "found a text file" that "implicates Anonymous". So they're also either liars or stupid, maybe both.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By Aloonatic on 5/13/2011 9:29:43 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not saying "quick, everyone trade in your PS3 NOW", just that when it comes to choosing which console to buy next time, what's going to be keeping all but the most fanatically loyal PlayStation users on Sony bus? Assuming that the next gen consoles are pretty similar in spec, as is usually the case.

I don't play on-line enough to care about whether I can get on-line to play CoD, but if that's the main reason why you got the console, along with other playing games on-line (like FIFA) then maybe it's not so silly, seeing as this problem has no real end date in sight and Sony have hardly filled their customers with confidence about whether they definitely know what is going one.

Maybe these CoD loving kids just don't believe the Sony's claims that the PSN will be up by the end of the month (which is still a while away) after being told that it would be up again soon not long ago, and all the press releases and comments from Sony where they don't even seem to know exactly what has been hacked and copied. Hardly confidence inspiring stuff from Sony Towers.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By PLD_Xavier on 5/13/2011 9:57:43 AM , Rating: 1
It may just be because I'm getting sick of FPS games, but I put MLB The Show and Heavy Rain quite a bit ahead of Gears and Halo for exclusives. Forza is supposed to be a heavy exclusive, but I haven't tried it yet as I'm more inclined to play Mario Kart and NFS. The two consoles are quite similar right now, and I agree with the assumption that they will be similar next generation, as well. When the time comes around again, I'd be lying if I said I won't be favoring Sony. But if the next Microsoft console has the right title lineup (as well as 3D gaming), they could convince me to pick up the next XBox (almost certainly as a side console to the PS4, though).

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By Aloonatic on 5/13/2011 10:13:24 AM , Rating: 3
I never realised Heavy Rain was a Sony PS Exclusive, which is probably says more about Sony's PR department than anything. I've pretty much had my fill of FPS games too, it was just that Halo and Gears were 2 xBox exclusives that came to mind right away, that I know are also very very popular.

It'll be interesting to see how many PlayStation exclusives Sony can keep their hands on in the future though. This sort of incident will not just be being registered in the minds of users, but also in the minds of developers too, who are hardly big fans of where Sony went with their hardware this time, if all the talk of developing for the PS3 being a relative pain, is true.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By PLD_Xavier on 5/13/2011 11:17:48 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it'll be real interesting to see how exclusives will play out in the next few years. I've heard MS likes to buy contracts for short-term exclusivity in the form of an earlier release date, but we're starting to see this trend of 3rd party entire-exclusivity falling by the wayside and exclusive titles coming primarily from first party subsidiary dev teams. I doubt Sony (or either console for that matter) would lose support from a big player like Activision, ZeniMax, or Rockstar, but such a loss would really damage their future library.

And I definitely wish more people knew about Heavy Rain. Even though I own the game, I keep the demo installed on my PS3 just in the case that I've brought my PS3 to someone else's house and they haven't heard of or played it yet. That game and the original Portal were two breaths of very fresh air to the industry.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By 3v1lkr0w on 5/13/2011 1:00:36 PM , Rating: 2
the lack of exclusives while MS still seem to have plenty (Halo and GoW spring to mind, in the console market anyway).

Really??? Nothing for Sony springs to mind??? God of War, Killzone, Twisted Metal, Ratchet and Clank, and Demon's Soul don't spring to mind. Or maybe since you listed FPS series, Killzone, Resistance, SOCOM, and MAG...never heard of those???

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By dubldwn on 5/13/2011 1:13:41 PM , Rating: 2
How about Uncharted, Valkyria Chronicles, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Infamous, Yakuza, White Knight Chronicles...PS3 has some pretty sweet games.

Still no Twisted Metal though. And where the #$@% is Hitman?? :(

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By Gzus666 on 5/13/2011 1:54:24 PM , Rating: 2
Uncharted is like playing an awesome adventure movie, it is insane how good that series is. Valkyria Chronicles is really good too, seems underrated in general. I got hooked on Infamous, going to have to get the sequel. Did you ever play Folklore? That game was amazingly fun and inventive, plus the art style was awesome.

I have been pretty pleased with the PS exclusives. Honestly I kinda prefer the offline games as most people online are annoying.

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By dubldwn on 5/13/2011 4:24:08 PM , Rating: 2
Never played Folklore but the screen shots look great!

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By Aloonatic on 5/13/2011 5:25:12 PM , Rating: 2
Well, seeing as I mentioned a couple of exclusives for the PS/Sony, then some games obviously did spring to mind. Though I guess I might have been a little harsh though, and come over a little strong with my condemnation.

The thing is, what games do Sony have that have the same level of interest (some might say hype) as Halo and GoW tho?

From your list, very few. Killzone I really like, and I don't think it gets the reviews that perhaps it should, but then again, it is a pretty standard FPS. Resistance is uber average however, and it's sad/embarrassing that Sony even tried to make it their Halo on the PS3.

Uncharted is a pretty nice game tho, to be fair, but again, I don't think that it's a Halo or GoW, or a Mario or a Zelda for that matter. Those games/series are almost cultural phenomena now. Sony might have a few characters in Sackboy and Nathan Drake who come close, but most of Sony's exclusives just aren't that great, IMHO.

Now I think about it though even Uncharted, the first of which I loved and played over and over, has become a little repetitive with it's follow up. Nice graphics, sure, but the game was nothing really all that new. Maybe that's me and you might argue the same for other games too, but the crowbarred in on-line game for Uncharted 2 was pretty poorly done I think. Although that hardly matters at the moment I suppose :o)

RE: Why stick with Sony?
By nikon133 on 5/15/2011 8:56:24 PM , Rating: 2
I was with you until you hit the exclusives part. No exclusives on PS3? I'm finding PS3 much richer re exclusives than X360. Additionally, some X360 exclusives end up on PC as well after some time (Halo 1 and 2, Gears of War 1, Fable 1 and 3...) which never happens with PS3 exclusives.

Of course it boils down to what sort of games you like, but calling out system with Infamous 1 (and shortly 2), Resistance 1, 2, 3, Killzone 2 and 3, Uncharted 1 and 2 (and shortly 3), 3x Rachets, SOCOM, God of War 3, MGS4, GT5... among others... as lacking exclusives is hardly correct.

Yeah, PSN breach was really a big bad one... but with free online gaming, integration with Steam (which I'm expecting to go over Portal 2 in future) is still big lure for me.

Fair-weather gamers
By PLD_Xavier on 5/13/11, Rating: 0
RE: Fair-weather gamers
By baconsnake on 5/13/2011 9:56:08 AM , Rating: 3
Why is is sad? Seems like a very valid reason to me.

And lol at your fanboi'ism of the "rehashed FPS" games. Most all of them are available on both consoles, so at least choose something like Kinect to make fun of.

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By PLD_Xavier on 5/13/11, Rating: 0
RE: Fair-weather gamers
By phantom505 on 5/13/2011 11:39:14 AM , Rating: 2
It's a video game console and games... it's a loss the second you opened it, maybe before that.

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By kleinma on 5/13/2011 10:10:23 AM , Rating: 2
temporary loss of online play
permanant loss of personal data to the hands of hackers
loss of credit card data requiring millions of people to cancel/change their credit card numbers.

It isn't just current lack of online play, sony left the door open and gave away information that they were in charge of protecting... You want to keep trusting a company that keeps proving it cares nothing about its users except the cash in their pockets?

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By PLD_Xavier on 5/13/2011 10:37:18 AM , Rating: 1
So instead you're going to buy a system from Microsoft, the company that practically coined the term "known vulnerability."

Considering attacks of this nature are not rare, no, I'm not all that concerned about Sony's security practices. The proverbial door was not "left open" as you and others would like to believe, and there is no such thing as a completely secure network or database. "Where there's a will, there's a way" is practically a way of life for some hackers, which is why companies often hire white hat consultants. What we're seeing is just the same widespread panic that the media likes to create and politicians like to capitalize on. They pick one scenario in a pool of common occurrences and treat it as an outlying case. Meanwhile, I don't see people lining up for class-action lawsuits against Facebook's data leak, the attack on LastPass, or the tampered Michaels credit card terminals.

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By AkuPyro on 5/13/2011 12:34:10 PM , Rating: 1
Known vulnerability...well atleast they (MS) let you know that it is a problem. Out of them all, MS, Sony, even Apple...I think MS does a good job of fessing up that there is a problem....and patching it. I know it may look bad when there is 100+ patches...but I atleast know they are doing something about it. If I am not mistaken, the threat to the PSN was known internally and nothing was done to patch said issue (nothing was done or it didn't get to the right people...). I am not trying to be a fanboi or anything, it is just the way that Sony handled the issue. I think the monthly fee is somewhat warranted for XBL now even though I have long let it expire. Shoot, PSN went down, I resortable back to PC gaming....though I was a PC gamer to begin with. But in the end, I would rather know of a possible threat so take measures to protect rather than not know and get blind sided. Just say'n...

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By PLD_Xavier on 5/13/11, Rating: 0
RE: Fair-weather gamers
By kleinma on 5/13/2011 1:35:13 PM , Rating: 2
Is this door "proverbial" enough for you?

As reported by The Consumerist, Dr. Gene Spafford, computer science professor at Purdue University, testified that Sony used versions of the open source Apache Web server software that went “unpatched and had no firewall installed.”

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By PLD_Xavier on 5/13/2011 1:54:40 PM , Rating: 2
Wasn't aware of that one, which WAS a stupid move (no pun intended) on Sony's part. Considering how widely used Apache is, I've got some research to do :)

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By nikon133 on 5/16/2011 12:52:22 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe Apache Web server wasn't patched... though much as I recall, good professor's testimony was based on info available on the web, in different blogs and forums, and not on on-site forensic he has personally performed, so I wouldn't bet my fortune on his testimony.

Additionally - if Apache Web server was without firewall, we still don't know if Sony hasn't used dedicated hardware firewalls, like SonicWALL products or any other.

And finally - I'd wait for some reliable findings (that will emerge sooner or later) regarding whole case. I don't have problem accepting Sony messed things up royally - even if I am PS3 owner, for peace of mind I did all my on-line purchase via PSN fund cards, no credit card on PSN, thank you... but for what we know so far, it could have been inside job (or at least job with inside support), stolen credentials/tokens/whatever authentication security Sony was using, if any.

Regarding migration to Xbox Live, I'd consider it if MS could guarantee something like this could/can/will never happen to them. But can they? And where will those rapid switchers move next time if it happens..?

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By callmeroy on 5/13/2011 1:47:38 PM , Rating: 1
Your posts in this thread burst, pop, sing and glow "I'm a sony fanboy" to a degree that is deafening.

I don't own any console right now -- not for the last 3 months...don't really plan on buying one within the next 6 months either.

But c'mon didn't just fail once...but several times...and it didn't just impact 1000 users....their tally is now 100 million users compromised.

Now to be fair -- in this day and age these things can happen to any company. I also fully believe there is no encryption that is unbreakable and no AV software that can save you from all infections.

BUT the key how pro-active companies take security -- are they really do everything that can be done to reduce the chance of a breach or infection (whatever the case may be). Then if they are breached or infected...all eyes are on how the company responds.

Many think Sony didn't do as much as they could have on the "pro-active" side of things....and its quite obvious to the majority of people they failed miserably on their response afterwards.

How you make excuses and/or defend a company under the guise of "it can happen to anyone" is one thing that I can probably understand.....but how you do for how badly a company responses....that just blows my mind.

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By PLD_Xavier on 5/13/2011 2:21:16 PM , Rating: 1
Hahaha while I find it hard to fault Sony's tech team (or found , while I'm checking out that response someone above left about Sony not keeping their servers up-to-date*), there's no way I'm defending Sony's PR tactics on this one. In this age of almost-instantaneous communication, taking four days (generously giving them the two days to realize/communicate that there was a problem and shut everything down) to release an official statement to the press is beyond terrible. I'm torn between informing the public and not causing a panic, but "better safe than sorry" should always win out and they should have at least released a statement with the service shutdown along the lines of "We think a breach of our servers may have happened, so keep an eye on your credit and debit activity. More details to come."

*I've found a few articles that the servers were not protected and up-to-date, but I'm finding a few more recent ones that backtrack on that accusation.

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By Aloonatic on 5/14/2011 3:22:13 AM , Rating: 2
Further on the "it could happen to anyone" point.

That that is something of a truism, and that any large company could be attacked and breached like this, only makes their response even worse.

A fire could happen in any office, and that's why any responsible office manager will have procedures in place, safe routes and assembly points worked out and clearly marked, drills run, alarms and responses testes, ways of recovering and coping with the aftermath worked out etc.

So even ignoring the whole security laps and "doors left open" issue. Large companies like Sony must know that an attack like this not only could happen, but are likely, and that they could lose a lot of personal information. So they really should have done risk assessments and been prepared with how to react to an attack when it happened. How to find out what has happened, or at least identify what has been stolen/copied quickly, and then have some response ready to reassure customers as well as a clear plan on how they could recover from the attack and get their services up and running again swiftly.

From what I have seen (including messages from Sony as I am a PSN customer) it seems that Sony have done pretty much everything wrong since the attack happened.

I wasn't able to log into the PSN for a couple off days before the attack was announced and I thought that there was a problem with my router or PlayStastion. Then the reports/Press releases started to emerge about what was going on and had happened, and it just made Sony look like they were always reacting to events, rather than taking a lead on what was going on, and that they had been trying to cover something up, or at the very least, had been less than honest with their customers about why they couldn't get on-line. Then they didn't even seem to know what had be stolen/copied and there was the Anonymous "text file" left behind that I can only hope (for Sony's sake) is actually true, as them making that up would be so far beyond ridiculous.

Now I'm left with the news that I might get to go back on the PSN by the start of next month, but I only know this because of sites like this. I've had just 1 e-mail from Sony about the attack, and what they are doing about it, days after I was affected and they knew that something was happening. That's it! No news official news from Sony themselves on when I might get the service back up, just rumours in the internet.

So is it really any surprise that people who have no great loyalty to Sony have taken all that and traded their effectively useless PlayStations and games in for an xBox and a copy of the game that they love to play on-line, that they can actually play today?

Most off these CoD players who are trading in don't come on sites like this, they just want to play the games that they've bought on-line, as promised that they could by Sony. So they have even less information about when the service might be back up again. Sure, they could go on the net and search, but they really shouldn't have to be doing that.

I've stuck up for Sony a little on other articles here, but that was a while ago. This is taking too long for Sony to sort out and more importantly, they are just not communicating with their customers and reassuring them effectively. They seem to have had no plans in place with how to deal with this attack, which as you point out, could happen to anyone, so they should have known that it was coming.

RE: Fair-weather gamers
By tayb on 5/14/2011 10:14:44 AM , Rating: 1
At least Microsoft let's me know that there is a problem and they are working on a solution. I got an email from Sony that said they were hacked, my personal information was probably stolen, and good luck! It took about four weeks later and pressure from Congress before Sony started to give a damn about the millions of users it effected. And let's not kid ourselves the only reason Sony ever did ANYTHING for us is because Congress was threatening to bitch-slap them.

Sorry but Windows may have security problems but the vast majority of these problems are operator-error related and when Microsoft screws up they generally have your back. Red Ring of Death? Pretty crappy console engineering but Microsoft backed up their mistake with a 3 year warranty. Make up for the mistake and the users who went through 10+ consoles? Hell no but it was a hell of a lot more than Sony was interested in offering.

As a matter of fact I do see people lining up to file class action lawsuits against FaceBook and Michaels. Where have you been?

At the end of the day Sony has been crapping on me as a PS3 customer for over a year. I already own a Wii and a 360 on top of my PS3 but I can guarantee you the next time around I won't be supporting a Sony console.

That's because
By KingConker on 5/13/2011 9:00:03 AM , Rating: 2
a good portion of the Britsh public are either chavs or have IQ's of way less than the 100 average.

EastEnders has been at the top of the viewing audiences for the last 10 years - which only goes to further my point.

That's why I'm emigrating to Toronto before I become a chav - still the wedding was good right?

(Nice pic of a US store to enforce you point by the way!?!)

RE: That's because
By Aloonatic on 5/13/2011 9:10:22 AM , Rating: 4
a good portion of the Britsh public are either chavs or have IQ's of way less than the 100 average.
Yeah, I think it's something close to 50% of the population who have an IQ lower than the average, which is a good portion I suppose :o)

RE: That's because
By Flunk on 5/13/2011 9:39:28 AM , Rating: 2
Are you saving chavs are smart?

RE: That's because
By phantom505 on 5/13/2011 11:41:59 AM , Rating: 2
I'm so going to start using that term every time I see a "ricer" in the US now.

RE: That's because
By erple2 on 5/13/2011 3:29:52 PM , Rating: 2
Do they use Butterscotch pudding at weddings in England?

By Sazabi19 on 5/13/2011 7:55:12 AM , Rating: 2
I only use mine as a Bluray player and for playing singe player games, that's it. Other than that I get onto my gaming rig to play everything else. The little joysticks get on my nerves for consoles, I can be a lot more accurate with my mouse and keyboard and have better graphics, though most people won't want to spend what I do for those graphics.

By probedb on 5/13/2011 8:30:46 AM , Rating: 2
I'm exactly the same and am now selling my PS3 but it's purely to replace with a Blu-Ray player that can also stream video a it should also be able to replace my Play!ON mini.

I mainly do FPS and I just can't move quickly enough on a console. Maybe I'm just pants at it :)

By StevoLincolnite on 5/13/2011 8:36:52 AM , Rating: 2
Suck it Sony
By icanhascpu on 5/13/11, Rating: 0
RE: Suck it Sony
By tekzor on 5/13/2011 1:24:33 PM , Rating: 1
That jump shit might hit you too!

RE: Suck it Sony
By Gzus666 on 5/13/2011 2:00:44 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, cause everyone else cares so much about the developers and is not worried at all about bad press. It couldn't be the money at all for any of them, nope.

CC sue Sony?
By Lanister on 5/13/2011 3:50:11 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if the major CC companies will sue sony for the costs of so many customers contacting them and changing card numbers due to this. Any lawyers on here think they would have a case?

I really am just curious, not trying to bash Sony but why should the CC companies eat the cost?

Knee-jerk reaction
By Performance Fanboi on 5/13/2011 5:31:01 PM , Rating: 2
This whole fiasco has soured my feelings towards PSN but I won't be running to trade in my PS3 because of it.

The current BS aside, you have to think that PSN will be as secure as it possibly can be once it's back up, although PSN will never get my CC info.

By theslug on 5/13/2011 10:05:23 AM , Rating: 1
I'm guessing the people who are trading systems are doing this because either they don't care about blu-ray or any feature exclusive to the ps3, or they don't play any games exclusive to the ps3, or both. As for me, I'm keeping my ps3 because it's still one of the best blu-ray players on the market and I have games that are only available on it and not on any other system (as well as some upcoming titles).

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