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Neither Sony nor Microsoft have released any hardware numbers for the month of January yet

Now that the holiday season is over and many have put their wallets away to recover, it's time to see which console is still being purchased in the off-season, and ultimately, which console comes out on top: Microsoft's Xbox One or Sony's PlayStation 4?
According to a tweet by journalist Geoff Keighley, the PS4 is a clear winner. Keighley spoke with PlayStation SVP Guy Longworth, who said PS4 sales in January nearly doubled the "nearest next gen competitor," which points to the Xbox One. 
PlayStation marketing VP John Koller later confirmed the statement, adding that Sony has sold every PS4 available in the U.S. since launch. 

[SOURCE: edge-online]

Microsoft, having clearly been beat for the month of January, decided not to talk about hardware sales. Instead, it focused on software in a recent press release, boasting 2.27 million games sold for the month and capturing 47 percent of software market share. 

While neither Sony nor Microsoft have released any hardware numbers for the month of January yet, the Xbox One was December's winner with 908,000 consoles sold. 

But many believe the months after the holiday season are more telling of which console wins the race rather than the November-December period, when everyone is spending anyway.

It's hard to say which console will win on hardware sales from here. On one hand you have the PS4, which is $100 cheaper and will be released in Japan next week, likely offering a big sales boost. On the other, you have the popular "Titanfall" game coming to Xbox One in March, which could prompt those who have been on the fence about buying the console to take the plunge. 

Source: Twitter

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Sale prices
By venym76 on 2/14/2014 1:24:34 PM , Rating: 2
One of the easiest way to find out who is selling better is to see who has the most sale/bundles, as in not selling well enough, need to add to the deal. I have seen several different sales, from newegg to others bundling xbox one with a game for $499. I have not found one bundle for the ps4. Now I write this as someone not looking for console bundles/sales, but someone who has just seen them when looking for sales in general. I also notice behind the counters at Best buy and see stacks of xbox's, but no ps4's.

RE: Sale prices
By gamerk2 on 2/14/2014 3:27:04 PM , Rating: 3
Because the PS4 is sold out everywhere. The fact the XB1 has so many UNSOLD bundles and the PS4 is almost totally sold out should tell you all you need to know.

PS4 is more powerful and $100 cheaper, so it wins by default.

RE: Sale prices
By BZDTemp on 2/15/2014 9:15:39 AM , Rating: 1
Or maybe the supply of One's is just so much bigger that it more than meets demand. Without any exact figures there is a big uncertainty in all the statements being made right now, so calling a winner already seems rather premature.

Even if the PS4 is outselling the One like lets say two to one then what is really interesting is the number of games sold. The number of consoles sold so early in the life cycle really speaks more about what the expectation is with the buyers than to where the best games can be found.

RE: Sale prices
By Reclaimer77 on 2/15/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sale prices
By Amiga500 on 2/15/2014 11:54:04 AM , Rating: 2
Even if the PS4 is outselling the One like lets say two to one then what is really interesting is the number of games sold. The number of consoles sold so early in the life cycle really speaks more about what the expectation is with the buyers than to where the best games can be found.

I would tend to say this is even worse news for Microsoft.

Right now, by most reviewer's, the XB1 has a (marginally) better selection of AAA games than the PS4.

Yet gamers are still buying the PS4 in bigger numbers in anticipation of what lies ahead.

When the PS4 does get a better selection of AAA titles onto store shelves to compare to XB1, what way do you see the console sales trends going...?

RE: Sale prices
By nikon133 on 2/15/2014 4:40:53 PM , Rating: 2
XBO does have better exclusives right now (mostly thanks to Forza) but more of available multiplats, including AAA titles like Black Flag, CoD and BF4, are better on PS4... so there's that.

But even if XBO was currently absolutely dominating game wise, I'd still be very indecisive to get XBO. Coming from PC point, it is hard to imagine gaming device with DDR3 graphics to remain relevant and competitive for too long. There isn't really gaming-worthy PC graphics card with DDR3 available - at all. Yes I know MS is counting on that "magic" cache they put in XBO, but I'm fairly unconvinced this can replace proper GDDR5 setup in the long run.

RE: Sale prices
By Reclaimer77 on 2/15/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sale prices
By Amiga500 on 2/15/2014 5:59:43 PM , Rating: 2
but more of available multiplats, including AAA titles like Black Flag, CoD and BF4, are better on PS4...

If I were a Sony fanboi... would I not be screaming:

"HEADSHOT" right about now?

If the common games are better on PS4, does that not mean the argument is more or less settled?

For games, PS4 is tangibly better for less money.

For other less tangible things, like entertainment hub, XB1 may be better...

RE: Sale prices
By nikon133 on 2/19/2014 4:33:58 PM , Rating: 2
This is true - for US at least. What remains to be seen is how many console buyers prioritize gaming, and how many put more emphasis on entertainment.

Outside of US, I don't even know if all the cable-TV integration works. In Australia/NZ, golden standard for TV is Sky Digital, satellite broadcaster. They offer decent receiver/DVR which can be rented or purchased. It offers advanced scheduling (with series link etc), multiple channel recording/watching... it doesn't offer XBO's interactive integration, but will XBO work with SkyTV? And if it does - will it offer local content? In these parts of the world, it is all about rugby and cricket. NBA dream-teams and stats wouldn't create much excitement.

RE: Sale prices
By Da W on 2/17/2014 8:31:38 AM , Rating: 2
More powerful, lol.
It's like fighting over the merit of a R7 265 vs R7 260X while the PC gaming group already moved to a GTX 780 ti.

RE: Sale prices
By nikon133 on 2/19/2014 4:40:29 PM , Rating: 2
Shame that PC doesn't get all the love from developers, like consoles... not even from Microsoft. Forza 5 would be awesome on high-end PC.

By lenardo on 2/14/2014 12:18:17 PM , Rating: 2
MS posted in their press release that the xbone was selling 29% faster in its first 3 months than the 360 sold in it's first 3 months

so someone @neogaf looked up the numbers:

the xbone sold ~183 thousand units in january.

the ps4 sold almost double that of xbone, so that would be in the neighborhood of 360 thousand units.

RE: numbers:
By lenardo on 2/14/2014 12:20:12 PM , Rating: 3
whoops got my number wrong 143 thousand...

"Comparatively, Xbox One consoles have sold at a rate of 2.29 times faster than Xbox 360 in the U.S. in the same timeframe for the first three months on the market." - Microsoft PR

Xbox 360:

November 2005: 326K
December 2005: 281K
January 2006: 249K
Three month total: 856K

Xbox One:

November 2013: 909K
December 2013: 908K
Two month total: 1817K

1817K + ???K January 2014 = (856K) * 2.29 times faster
1817K + ???K January 2014 = 1960K
Xbox One January 2014 sales = ~143K

RE: numbers:
By BRB29 on 2/14/2014 2:14:00 PM , Rating: 1
Seriously, these articles seem to pop up every other day.

It wasn't long ago that Sony released 4.2M units sold and people assumed MS only sold a little over 3M xbox 1. Then it turned out MS sold 3.9M units which is pretty close and pretty much tied considering PS4 was launched a week ahead.

Regardless, I can care less which console wins in January. Give me good games, whichever console, and they will have my money. I have the xbox one and the Ps4. I can tell you that right now, the Xbox one is the more enjoyable console with better titles. I also find the less serious titles are great for parties like "just dance 2014". The Kinect 2 really did its job. However, I'm also waiting for killer titles like "Evolve" from valve or Division.

I wish I could say graphics alone makes a good console/game but it doesn't. I can see PS4 being able to push FPS titles better with its graphics ensuring less lag and higher minimum frame rates. However, I am almost certain that Xbox One will be the one taking the casual party games that Nintendo used to dominate.

RE: numbers:
By Totally on 2/14/2014 11:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
You also got the rate wrong, (*2.29) equates to a 129% increase not 29%.

RE: numbers:
By Totally on 2/14/2014 11:44:06 PM , Rating: 2
NVM, you quoted two different rates.

I sense a great disturbance in the force...
By jnemesh on 2/14/2014 6:57:01 PM , Rating: 2
As if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out...and were silenced.

RE: I sense a great disturbance in the force...
By Amiga500 on 2/15/2014 11:56:37 AM , Rating: 2
"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you have constructed... the ability to slap DRM on everything and spy on all users in their living rooms is insignificant compared to the power of the playstation"

By Amiga500 on 2/15/2014 11:57:23 AM , Rating: 2
no-no-no... better one.

"the more your tighten your DRM grip microsoft... the more gamers will slip through your fingers..."

So with no numbers released
By atechfan on 2/14/2014 11:52:05 AM , Rating: 4 either company, isn't the "double" sales kinda pulled out of someone's ass at the moment?

Not that I care either way. Console don't interest me, so I have no reason to cheer on either of them.

RE: So with no numbers released
By BRB29 on 2/14/2014 2:16:24 PM , Rating: 1
I cheer simply because of 15k shares of AMD stocks. Don't care who wins, only total numbers of the current generation.

PS4 is available in more regions.
By DFranch on 2/14/2014 12:57:01 PM , Rating: 2
Did they sell twice as many in regions where both devices are on sale, or did they sell twice as many in all regions combined? Since the PS4 is available in more countries, I'd expect them to have sold more units total. The article doesn't really go into that much detail.

By gamerk2 on 2/14/2014 1:16:11 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, but remember, the PS4 is sold out everywhere. The XB1 isn't. So there is clearly more demand for the PS4. Once supply starts to appear, I expect the PS4 to start surging ahead. Right now, supply is preventing a large Sony lead.

I'd like to know
By inperfectdarkness on 2/17/2014 2:14:11 AM , Rating: 2
Does this mean MS can go back to being a software company? Oh please, oh please, oh please!!

Games on both consoles
By wallijonn on 2/18/2014 2:02:34 PM , Rating: 2
Last gen if the PS3 game only played in 720p and the XB360 game played in 1080i or 1080p, then I got the XB360 game. If it is the PS4 that can now play a game at 1080i/p and the XB1 only does 720p, then buying the PS4 game is a no-brainer.

So, what resolutions do both consoles play most games at? Which games cannot play at 1080p or 1080p?

No surprise
By Chaser on 2/14/14, Rating: -1
RE: No surprise
By lenardo on 2/14/2014 1:12:25 PM , Rating: 3
both are great but i disagree with chaser

ONE is for more enthusiastic grade console gamers, and that ONE is not..the One. it is the PS4

better GPU, faster CPU, more ram to use for games...both have equiv. online presence, yet one is 100 dollars less expensive.

so for the same price you can buy....a console and 1 game or a console and 2 games and have a bit of money left over.

i'll pick the latter thank you very much.

RE: No surprise
By StevoLincolnite on 2/14/2014 6:00:02 PM , Rating: 3
I'll pick neither.

If I was really concerned about the hardware, how fast it was, the graphics, the resolution and the framerate I wouldn't be choosing either machine.

The additional cost of online access and the "console game tax" makes a PC easily cheaper in the long term, especially if you like to buy allot of games.

RE: No surprise
By Etsp on 2/14/2014 1:16:11 PM , Rating: 5
Um, no. Enthusiast grade console gamers want the most performance, and the PS4 is the clear winner there (sadly).

I bought an Xbox One because I refuse to buy Sony products (particularly Playstation products...), and I liked what they did with the voice commands and the gestures and integration with other services. I plan to do more with my Xbox than just play games.

RE: No surprise
By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/2014 12:19:19 AM , Rating: 2
Why pass on the PS4? Its a good product that's waiting on games.

I will say that Titanfall is GREAT. I've been playing it most of the weekend on PC and its the most fun I've had with a shooter since UT2004. I'm old school from Quakeworld and this game is right up my alley. It is fast and awesome, a huge change from slow borefests like BF3 and BF4.

I have zero intention of buying an XBox One because it has way too much crossover with my PC and not enough exclusives for me to want it. Titanfall is going to sell a LOT of XBones though. I hate that it went XBox exclusive but Microsoft definitely made the right move paying EA for that.

RE: No surprise
By Chaser on 2/17/2014 4:43:58 PM , Rating: 2
Um yeah. I think you guys misread me. The PS4 is $100.00 less. That talks more to the average mom and pop or grandparent contemplating a new console purchase for the kids than does a more expensive one with built in camera and home integration box.

RE: No surprise
By Chaser on 2/17/2014 4:47:06 PM , Rating: 2
Enthusiast grade console gamers want the most performance
Its console enthusiast's that are more likely to justify the $100.00 price difference for the XBONE versus the average family shopping either at Walmart.

RE: No surprise
By nikon133 on 2/19/2014 5:07:37 PM , Rating: 2
Enthusiast gamers would justify extra $100 for better gaming hardware... alas, XBO is not better gaming hardware; only more expensive one.

Unless enthusiast gamers in your part of the world go for uneducated purchase based on price only, I think your theory will not hold water.

RE: No surprise
By Motoman on 2/14/2014 1:35:03 PM , Rating: 4
But the ONE is more for enthusiast grade console gamers

...that's funny, I would think that "enthusiast grade console gamers" would want the console with the best performance and highest capability. That, in no way, is the XBone.

RE: No surprise
By p05esto on 2/14/14, Rating: -1
RE: No surprise
By FITCamaro on 2/14/2014 2:43:23 PM , Rating: 2
You know I love the 360 controller compared to the DS3. But I admit the DS4 is a much nicer feeling controller. Still not better than the 360 controller. But better than the DS3 for sure. Other than the flashlight on the front you can't turn off.

RE: No surprise
By Reclaimer77 on 2/14/2014 3:17:19 PM , Rating: 2
You are splitting hairs. No one can tell the difference in side by side video.

Oh please, you guys need to just stop with this. The Xbox One is graphically inferior to the PS4, end of story. That was true months ago and nothing has changed. All that "cloud" offloading was nothing but smoke and mirrors that nobody is even benefiting from.

Hope you like jaggy lines! The Xbox One aliases like Jennifer Garner on 'roids. Pre-AA level graphics, one huge step backwards for gamer kind.

We ALL know that memory speed makes almost no real-world difference...

In this case it does because of the boneheaded design Microsoft used in the Xbox One. To compensate for less bandwidth, they put a cache on the die. However the cache isn't large enough to make much of a difference, AND it takes up precious space, so the GPU is now weaker as a result, which nullifies pretty much the whole setup.

All in all a pretty stupid design. So is saying memory speeds make no "real world" difference. Seriously?

RE: No surprise
By frozenassets on 2/14/2014 4:06:42 PM , Rating: 3
If I didn't know any better I'd almost call this an attempt at trolling. The consoles have been out for a couple months. Neither have great games right now. "XB1 has MUCH better games and more of them".....did you really just say that? Sony has the largest stable of 1st party developers of any console. The PS3 had a vastly better lineup of exclusives and that won't change this generation. If you want to boil it down:

If you love shooters buy a XB1
If you love a diverse library of games buy a PS4


Guerrilla Games
Cambridge Studio
Evolution Studios
London Studio
Media Molecule

North America

Bend Studio
Foster City Studio
Naughty Dog
San Diego Studio
Santa Monica Studio
Sucker Punch


Japan Studio
Polyphony Digital Inc.

RE: No surprise
By nikon133 on 2/19/2014 5:04:08 PM , Rating: 1
Watching compressed YouTube videos on 20-something inch monitor? Maybe.

Watching actual gameplay on 40+ TV? I don't think so. I can easily see differences in screenshots.

Much better games? Questionable. Better exclusives on release, arguably yes. Forza is unmatched on PS4 for now, but I'm hoping Drive Club to challenge that. I'm finding it very reassuring that Sony hasn't forced DC release before Christmas, and is giving developers required time... other exclusives, there is nothing for me personally. After Forza, only exclusive I'd play right now is Killzone.

But multiplatforms, it turns out PS4 ones are better. CoD, BF4, AC4... all seem to benefit from faster hardware in PS4.

Eventually, PS4 will get premium driving game... be it DC or GT7. Or GT6.5. But XBO will remain weaker performer in multiplatforms.

RE: No surprise
By degobah77 on 2/14/2014 1:56:26 PM , Rating: 3
Agreed, as an enthusiast gamer myself owning both consoles as well as a high end gaming PC, it's interesting that my Xbox One is turned on 10x more than my PS4 is. Same as last generation. The PS3 sat there collecting dust except for the rare exclusive that I had to check out, everything else was played on the 360.

History repeats itself yet again.

RE: No surprise
By FITCamaro on 2/14/2014 2:45:01 PM , Rating: 2
My PS3 went unused a lot as well until more recently. But I got GTA V on the PS3 because my friends were playing on it (and they didn't want to pay for Live). My 360 got more use last year to watch sports than it did to play games.

RE: No surprise
By BZDTemp on 2/14/2014 3:49:32 PM , Rating: 2
It is just the opposite here. I'm not even sure when the 360 was last turned on and in contrast the PS3 is used several times a week.

To me the most interesting exclusives are on the PS3 while more often than not the good 360 titles aren't really exclusive. Thus whenever a game is for both console and PC then no I go with PC, not only is the hardware better but there is also mods, mouse+keyboard and did I mention the hardware - almost HD gaming simply doesn't match QHD and 4K will make the difference even bigger.

RE: No surprise
By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/2014 12:26:30 AM , Rating: 3
I totally agree. I hardly turned on my 360 over the last two years while I only turned on my PS3, and it was all about their exclusives.

Sony did an amazing job getting third party studios under their umbrella while Microsoft kind of let theirs go away on their own (Epic) or be sold off (Bungie).

Microsoft paying EA for Titanfall was a bit of a Hail Mary play that I think is going to work, but Sony still has Naughty Dog, Media Molecule, Santa Monica Studios, That Game Company, Quantic Dream, and so on. A really eclectic group of studios. Can't wait to see what they eventually get on the PS4.

RE: No surprise
By TheDoc9 on 2/14/2014 4:53:11 PM , Rating: 1
I haven't played the xbox one much and don't own it, the ps4 however is probably the best console I've ever owned. It's very polished.

That doesn't mean I play it a lot, don't really devote the time to games since I have a job. I will say Microsofts privacy policies are what turn me away from an xbox, no matter how good the system is.

"People Don't Respect Confidentiality in This Industry" -- Sony Computer Entertainment of America President and CEO Jack Tretton

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