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If you use Other OS, skip this update and all other future updates

Up until the PS3 Slim debuted, all of the Sony PS3 consoles had support for third-party operating systems to extend the capability of the game console. As the years have gone by since the PS3 debuted, the feature has stayed intact, though few take advantage of it.

Sony has announced that the latest firmware update for the PS3 is version 3.21 and the update will eliminate the Other OS feature from the console. Sony reports that the removal of the feature is due to security concerns. The other OS feature was never offered on the PS3 Slim. 

PS3 owners using the Other Os feature will have to skip this update and skip any future updates as well to retain the feature. Sony reports that if a PS3 owner is currently using the Other OS feature and decides to update to the new firmware when it is available on April 1, they will need to back up data sorted on the OS partition because the data will not be accessible after the update. Those who choose not to upgrade to the new firmware will not be able to play games online or play games or Blu-ray movies that need the new update.



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Strange...
By Murst on 3/29/2010 12:29:20 PM , Rating: 3
Anyone who has installed Linux on their PS3 knows how horrible the experience is. Sure, the PS3 is capable of running Linux, which in inself was kind of cool, but apart from installing it to say you've done it, I can't think of any uses of why someone would actually want to run Linux on the PS3.

Therefore, I kind of question Sony's move. There's millions of PS3s out there, and I doubt that even 0.1% of those people USE Linux on their PS3. It would seem like they will get a lot of bad PR for this, without really any benefit. Unless there is something in their agreements w/ third parties which require them to pull the plug once certain features are hacked.




RE: Strange...
By tastyratz on 3/29/2010 1:02:54 PM , Rating: 4
hypervisor was cracked and there is a VERY good chance were less than a month or 2 away from actually playing "backups" on the ps3. More information is on haxnetwork.net if your interested - but that's the primary driver of the change.

The firmware update can be avoided via use of ps3proxy software... and I for one will be doing that. I look forward to the upcoming onslaught of homebrew and interesting releases we are definitely to see in days to come.


RE: Strange...
By Chaser on 3/29/2010 1:16:23 PM , Rating: 2
I only play games, watch movies, and stream media on mine.


RE: Strange...
By B3an on 4/2/2010 4:01:11 AM , Rating: 3
Good for you. Thanks for telling us all.


RE: Strange...
By omnicronx on 3/29/10, Rating: -1
RE: Strange...
By tastyratz on 3/29/2010 4:32:02 PM , Rating: 2
agreed... I simply explained the repercussions of the system and reasoning behind Sony's decision as well as where to get more information. I know better than to put any swing on the idea of copying games @ DT- I merely mentioned I want to get in on the homebrew.

Honestly what I look forward to the most personally is direct ps3 emulators. I have my xbox1 modded so I can play all my old nes/snes/sega/etc. games but I would prefer consolidating onto the ps3 exclusively and far more seamlessly than linux otheros sans gpu.

With the power of the ps3 we have a lot more potential to see some creative homebrew applications than ever before on a console.


RE: Strange...
By B3an on 4/2/2010 4:09:25 AM , Rating: 2
Question: If you like that sort of thing, how comes you dont just use a PC for this? I mean, theres far more emulators for games consoles on the PC, and a PC is far more versatile and powerful than a PS3 (or can be if it's not ancient) and has many many more OS options.
Plus the PS3's RSX graphics are equivalent to a 7800GTX (roughly), and it's Cell does not compare to a cheap quadcore.


RE: Strange...
By tastyratz on 4/2/2010 11:01:50 AM , Rating: 1
Because its generally more fluid with my existing home theater, its plenty powerful to handle these tasks, it has an excellent controller, its already integrated into my television and surround, my pc is not nearby, I dont have to deal with drivers/updates/ more expenses/ and a multitude of other reasons.

A pc is certainly the most versatile but sometimes its multipurpose design can be an Achilles heel as well. If I am sitting on my couch I don't want to deal with the extra steps/boot time/expense/electricity/maintenance/input selection/etc. a pc mandates - even if it means I sacrifice some of that versatility.

Apps on my already existing ps3 could do the same task easier and more plug and play. I'm not looking to play high end games, just extend the functionality of a pre-existing device. Same reason I stream all my mp3's instead of having a media pc.


RE: Strange...
By hyvonen on 3/31/2010 5:25:35 PM , Rating: 2
Calm down. People get rated down for various reasons - that's just the nature of the forum.

Anyone proposing that increasing taxes might be good gets -1 in less than 5 seconds.


RE: Strange...
By Luna M on 4/3/2010 9:00:29 PM , Rating: 2
Increasing taxes might be good!


RE: Strange...
By omnicronx on 3/29/2010 1:27:12 PM , Rating: 2
The PS3 was crippled by nature, they have a hypovisor that basically blocks the 3rd party OS from using pretty much any resources (including the GPU). This is the reason why the experience was so horrible.

Eventually bypasses were made and we were on our way to a usable Linux solution on the PS3.. Its no surprised that sony locked the door before this became possible.


RE: Strange...
By MozeeToby on 3/29/2010 3:16:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I can't think of any uses of why someone would actually want to run Linux on the PS3.
Playing old emulators, complete with a nice, cordless remote and easy access to the TV is one very good reason. Now I need to decide if I was ever going to get around to playing Mother3 on my PS3. Probably just install the update and play it on my Laptop, but it still sucks especially given that the functionality has been there for so long.


Military Contracts
By DarthKaos on 3/29/2010 1:34:43 PM , Rating: 2
I would not be surprised to find out that this was required by one of the branches of the military that purchased large numbers of PS3s.




RE: Military Contracts
By Manch on 3/30/2010 9:28:31 PM , Rating: 2
I almost spit my coffee out on my uniform when I read that! If and when we order hardware from manufacturers and we require certain specifics we can have them adjust firmware, specs, etc as needed to get what we want. This is no different than any major corporation. We do not however make them change what they sell to the public. For example we order millions of Dells, HP's etc and we have a custom load of the OS imaged onto the computers that complies with our security requirements and within the guidelines set forth by our license agreements. We do not however make the general public buy PC's with our specifics. The military when it comes to consumer goods is just that a consumer.


RE: Military Contracts
By killerroach on 3/31/2010 12:09:20 PM , Rating: 2
If I were to hazard a guess on somebody "forcing" Sony to make these changes, it was probably the film studios whose support Sony is courting for the PlayStation Store. Somebody at Viacom or Warner probably freaked out, thinking a security flaw in Linux implementation could result in PSP-level piracy, and bullied Sony into dropping the feature (i.e. by saying they'd remove all content from PSN and instead move exclusively to Xbox Live).


WTF!!!!
By epsilonparadox on 3/29/2010 10:26:17 AM , Rating: 2
How is running Linux a security issue?!?! It makes for all features lacking from the PS3 and makes it a real media console! On top of which, it was one of the promoted features on LAUNCH!!!!




RE: WTF!!!!
By omnicronx on 3/29/2010 10:43:38 AM , Rating: 2
Someone figured out the how to access resources behind the hypervisor.. It most likely has nothing to do with security on our behalf but theirs =P

This is the first step to run pirated games, region free BD's.. etc etc....


Sony PR
By Phoque on 3/29/10, Rating: 0
RE: Sony PR
By cochy on 3/30/10, Rating: 0
RE: Sony PR
By cochy on 3/30/2010 12:31:15 AM , Rating: 2
Furthermore, the OtherOS feature was an advertised part of the fat PS3s. I question the legality of this. Can consumers not demand refund for a product that is going to be castrated by the manufacturer?


RE: Sony PR
By tastyratz on 4/2/2010 11:05:52 AM , Rating: 2
sadly they can do what they want, you agreed to it in the license agreement when you used your ps3. Its perfectly legal for them to do it.


CodecSys Personal
By pwnsweet on 3/29/2010 9:31:03 PM , Rating: 2
As long as CodecSys continues to work...I paid $199 for this software and if it doesn't continue to work after the update I'll be chasing Sony for a refund...




RE: CodecSys Personal
By piroroadkill on 3/31/2010 5:16:51 AM , Rating: 2
No. Sony pretty much gave you finger.

Kind of real kick in the balls for people who supported Sony.


Maybe?
By Venomman on 3/31/2010 12:43:36 PM , Rating: 2
April Fools =) !!?




RE: Maybe?
By Jalek on 4/1/2010 11:25:13 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately not.

Though, there's a lot of new interest in things to do with the PS/3 platform and the connections to PSN. This may yet become a net positive, but not for Sony since they don't sell these units anymore.

I don't understand Sony deciding to taunt the Linux hacker community, but I hope they get all they deserve.


By markdanielmiller on 4/2/2010 5:21:23 PM , Rating: 2
One other tidbit - if you use your PS3 to watch Netflix streaming titles on your TV (via the Netflix PS3 disk) - you must run this update. Without the update, not only will you loose other features (listed above - such as being unable to access the PS Network, PS Store, etc…) but you will also not be able to use the Netflix PS3 disc to watch streaming titles.

SOOOO…if you use/value the Netflix functionality, you’re forced to run this latest update :(

BOOOOOOO!!!




By panther17 on 4/7/2010 10:25:58 AM , Rating: 2
Not true. I use my PS3 to watch Netflix, have not updated to 3.21, and still have been watching Netflix through my PS3.


That's what you get?
By carniver on 3/29/2010 7:48:55 PM , Rating: 2
Even in the worst case where PS3 is hacked open for pirated games, OtherOS is only available to the PS3 "FAT"s and not on the new slims. So it'll only be a problem of the past, and will not plague any of the newly manufactured units. Those who have OtherOS are exactly those who gave Sony their support FIRST. Those who paid MORE money (>$299), for a model that used to have a smaller library, that's more bulky and eats more power, etc. All during the old days when PS3s were hardly moving any units compared to Wiis and Xbox360's. For all those first adopters, is leaving them alone with their extra features (OtherOS, PS2 compatibility) too much to ask for?

Sony, you really suck.




Just remember. . .
By blueboy09 on 3/30/2010 8:12:27 PM , Rating: 2
when you have something that works, break it, cause it seems to make more sense when you have a broken item or thing. It's all in how we shove that pole up a customer's ass to see if they're really loyal to us or not!! (sarcasm/rolls eyes) - BLUEBOY




I was looking for a fat PS3: not now:
By Manch on 3/30/2010 9:38:27 PM , Rating: 2
The only reason I had to pick up a PS3 was BR and the ability to install Linux. There are a couple of games I might want to play but since I spend most of my gaming time split between my PC and my XBOX 360, gaming on it isnt a major selling point for me. Sony has disappointed me with continually stripping features with no real adjustment in price. Granted the newer ones have bigger hard drives but that doesnt really add enough value for me to warrant a purchase. If I can't run Linux on the old ones now I think I'll wait till the price drops or just go pick up a regular BR player or just build a HTPC instead.




The update is coming April 1st
By deanx0r on 3/31/2010 11:55:41 AM , Rating: 2
Has anyone noticed the date on when the firmware will be issued? April 1st! April fools! I can't believe everyone is being so easily trolled by Sony.




No longer rip BDs from the PS3
By darkpuppet on 4/7/2010 11:10:21 AM , Rating: 2
Another nice feature of having linux on PS3 was the ability to make ISOs of your BDs.

Granted, you're not supposed to crack them or copy them, but then again, digital copies were supposed to cover 'fair use' for us -- and they don't exactly work either.

I wish I could easily move my movie collection over to my NAS server and keep the physical copies for the inevitable crash that corrupts my data (even RAID 5/Mirroring isn't without risks).




Meh
By Chaser on 3/29/10, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By chick0n on 4/2/10, Rating: 0
"This is about the Internet.  Everything on the Internet is encrypted. This is not a BlackBerry-only issue. If they can't deal with the Internet, they should shut it off." -- RIM co-CEO Michael Lazaridis














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