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PS3 Slim sells in huge numbers thanks to lower price

Sony had been under heavy pressure to offer a price cut on the PS3 console and some developers even went so far as to threaten to abandon the platform if cuts weren't made.

Sony maintained for the longest time that no price cuts were coming and that cutting the price of a console already losing money wasn't a sound business plan. Finally, in August, Sony unveiled the new PS3 Slim with fewer parts, a thinner design, and a much lower price tag and everyone was happy.

Now that the PS3 Slim is available at $299, Sony is in the console wars in a bigger way than it has ever been. After the PS3 Slim was announced, Microsoft matched the price and moved its high-end Xbox 360 Elite to the same $299 price point.

With the PS3 Slim packing in Blu-ray the console is suddenly a retail sales juggernaut reports VGChartz. The weekly console sales numbers are in and Sony should be happy with the stats. Since the PS3 Slim started trickling into the market on August 25, sales of the console have jumped by a massive 104% across the board moving from 37,167 consoles the week before the new model to 75,931 once the Slim was in stores.

Over the same period, the Xbox 360 saw sales increase by a more modest 32% rising from 56,448 the week before price cut to 74,689 the week after. Sales for the Wii dropped 4% to a total of 74,245 for the week. What the numbers for the three consoles are showing is basically a three-way tie for sales.

Nintendo may have to cough up a price cut of its own, as things are likely to look worse for the Wii next week. VGChartz reports that the new PS3 Slim wasn't available nationwide during the week reported and the price cut for the Xbox 360 Elite was made later in the week. The next round of numbers will show the true sales picture for both of the consoles.





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People were waiting
By MrUniq on 9/4/2009 10:41:13 AM , Rating: 5
There were quite a few who were holding out for a price cut and seems like the hardware revision has proven popular. The PS3 is certainly picking up some of those sales from people who are buying it as a second gaming machine. I'll be curious to see how long the upward trend lasts, or will it flatten out/drop since anyone who was on the fence before would have bought one already. Will Sony finally eclipse it's own PS2 within the next 2 years? Without some form of backwards compatibility it's hard to see.




RE: People were waiting
By Mitch101 on 9/4/2009 11:15:24 AM , Rating: 1
As some of you know I am struggling back and forth over a 360 or PS3. Most reviews are dated junk now since both consoles have changed a lot since thier release and I have not seen one good review talk about the third party apps out there which are a must have for them. Like I knew of TVersity but not about a better app for the PS3 for streaming which apparently a lot of people swear by. Is there something like netflix for the PS3? If so is it any good?

PS3 owners educate me on the PS3 and the slim if possible because GOOD UNBIASED information seems limited.

The slim loses the card reader. I guess I can move the items from my PC card reader to the PS3 but I am disappointed in this because my kids and wife would have found this easier. Can I use a USB card reader in the USB port?

The slim also only has 2 USB ports? Is this a problem? I would imagine not since the controllers are wireless but what other than the PS3 Eye would I possibly want more USB ports?

I hear the slim doesn't have a power button you must use the controller or remote to power it off is this true?

Hard Drive size can I just swap out the drive with some megolithic sized drive and would I need to?

Is there an in depth review written by a PS3 fanboi that talks about the console and all it can do including third party stuff.

This is not an invite to tell me how you think the 360 sucks and RROD's because Jasper looks to have solved that issue. Please keep it to just what the PS3 can do for me and what I can really do with the console that many people might not know. TIA.


RE: People were waiting
By explicit4u on 9/4/2009 11:36:40 AM , Rating: 2
Review: http://gizmodo.com/5345285/playstation-3-slim-revi...

Mini comparison: http://gizmodo.com/5346969/ps3-slim-vs-xbox-360-el...

the slim does have a power button, it's just an actual button compared to the fat PS3's touch sensitive control.

Not sure about the card reader part but i see no reason why it shouldn't work.

Hard drives can be swapped easily, i think there is a video floating around somewhere, i cant find it though. (tells you about it: http://uk.ps3.ign.com/dor/articles/1015007/gc-2009...

as you know there is blu-ray support, slim supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio bitstream (v.good blu-ray audio), and i find the PS3 to be a better media machine compared to my 360. you can use your ps3 to rip cds in a high amount of codecs and bitrates now and it has bbciplayer (UK only) in the xmb which loads and plays tv instantly. Hulu/netflix support like the 360 (via Playon!).


RE: People were waiting
By Murst on 9/4/2009 11:56:43 AM , Rating: 4
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slim supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio bitstream (v.good blu-ray audio)

BTW, all PS3 models support decoding of those codecs. The only difference is that the slim can SKIP the decoding and pass it to the AVR. The quality of the output will be exactly the same, but the HD audio light will turn on on the AVR if it is doing the decoding. Otherwise, if the PS3 does the decoding, your AVR will only say that it is receiving multichannel PCM, and it will not know how the sound was decoded.

It is actually a very nice feature that should have been included from the start, assuming that you have an AVR that supports those codecs and can accept sound via HDMI.


RE: People were waiting
By Mitch101 on 9/4/2009 12:56:17 PM , Rating: 2
Thankyou and to Everyone below answering my questions and adding apps I haven't heard of.


RE: People were waiting
By Mitch101 on 9/4/2009 1:08:48 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry explicit4u I forgot to thank you as well. Will need to look up Playon.


RE: People were waiting
By invidious on 9/4/2009 5:28:35 PM , Rating: 2
The thing I was really hoping for was x264 support without need for transcoding. If I wanted to keep using my computer when I want x264 then why would I spend $300 to add a PS3 into the mix?

I don't fully understand why it can't be done, but whatever the reason this lack of functionality is the only reason I am not buying a slim PS3.


RE: People were waiting
By PontifexMaximus on 9/7/2009 3:02:22 AM , Rating: 2
And how are you getting those x264 files? I'm guessing through a computer.
So while you're on there downloading the x264 files, why not just run mkv2vob at the same time to change the .mkv package to .vob. It's technically not a transcode, and it's rather fast and jobs can be batched together.


RE: People were waiting
By ocphon on 9/4/2009 11:43:36 AM , Rating: 2
psn offers movie downloads. i haven't tried it so i can't offer my opinion on the service. i swapped my ps3 40gb hdd for a 320gb hdd.. it's fairly very easy to do. 2 usb is all you need. it's basically there to charge your controllers and transfer files. if you want netflix, halo and gears get a 360. if you want blu-ray, kz2, uncharted and free online service get a ps3.. that's all there is to it. of course, the 360 comes will extended warranty. we all know why. =]


RE: People were waiting
By Hiawa23 on 9/4/2009 12:30:15 PM , Rating: 2
Cool, I own all three consoles, & pull for no one, so the price drop didn't affect me, but it's about time for Sony to get into the game & a price war is always good for the consumer. I prefer the 360, but enjoy the PS3, now maybe we can get more games built for the PS3 & less 360 ports. For the Sony haters, you really have no more excuses. $299 PS3 is an amazing value I don't care how many MS or Nintendo sacks you are swinging from.


RE: People were waiting
By rokkon on 9/4/2009 11:46:35 AM , Rating: 4
I'll try to chime in and answer your questions that I can (FYI, I have all consoles and have preferences for each, depending on the situation, so I'll try to keep my bias at a minimum)

quote:
Like I knew of TVersity but not about a better app for the PS3 for streaming which apparently a lot of people swear by. Is there something like netflix for the PS3? If so is it any good?


I haven't done this in a while, but I do use TVersity. Initially, I had a lot of problems setting up, but this was months ago and TVersity has since had some newer versions and the PS3 has undergone numerous firmware updates, so I imagine it would be easier now.

quote:
The slim loses the card reader. I guess I can move the items from my PC card reader to the PS3 but I am disappointed in this because my kids and wife would have found this easier. Can I use a USB card reader in the USB port?


Most of the current models are sans card reader as well, however, there is a 3rd party card reader addon (from NYKO, I believe) and also, most USB card readers will work (I bought a PS3 and card reader for my dad for this reason, and it works fine)

quote:
The slim also only has 2 USB ports? Is this a problem? I would imagine not since the controllers are wireless but what other than the PS3 Eye would I possibly want more USB ports?


Yes, as well as most current models. This is not a problem as you can use USB hubs to increase the number if you need to. You may only need more usb ports if you're charging multiple devices while using them or playing Rock Band/Guitar Hero (I believe the wireless instruments require dongles as none are bluetooth)

quote:
I hear the slim doesn't have a power button you must use the controller or remote to power it off is this true?


Half true. The original PS3 has a power button the back of the unit, but a standby button on the front of the unit (if you have an older PS2, it's the same). The PS3 supposedly has done away with the power button on the back and just has a physical standby button on the front of the unit. (you can still use the Dual Shock 3 to power on the device).

quote:
Hard Drive size can I just swap out the drive with some megolithic sized drive and would I need to?


Yes, the hard drive bay has been moved to the front. I am unsure if the PS3 supports drives larger than 500 gigs, but they use 2.5" drives, so it's not really worth going much larger (I run 500 gig myself)


RE: People were waiting
By Murst on 9/4/2009 11:48:56 AM , Rating: 2
In terms of gaming, it doesn't really matter that much, unless there is a game that you really like on one system that is exclusive.

The PS3 is nice b/c of the blu-ray, but if you're not into buying/renting movies, then it wouldn't matter for you.

All of the other features besides gaming and blu-ray are probably better handled by an HTPC, where you have complete control over what is supported or not.

My PS3 has a card reader, but I have yet to use it. You can always hook up a flash drive in the USB. I do think that 2 slots is not enough, but you can always get a USB splitter for a few bucks online, and it will work. With the PS3, I know you can also share files from your computer. I'm not sure if the XBox can do that - I just haven't looked into it.

What kind of difference does a power button make on the console? I'm pretty sure I saw it on the new slim model, but even if it didn't have one, would you really use it? Inserting a disc turns on the console, as well as hitting the PS key on the controller ( same goes for the Xbox ) will turn on the console.

The new hard drives are pretty big, but no one will be able to tell if you need to upgrade it or not. It really depends on what you store on it. For gaming-only, unless you download most of your games ( a LOT of games ), you will most likely never run out of space.


RE: People were waiting
By Nfarce on 9/4/2009 11:48:18 AM , Rating: 2
I can't answer everything has a "fat boy" PS3 owner (I don't stream for example), but I'll try to answer a few from my perspective:

quote:
The slim also only has 2 USB ports? Is this a problem? I would imagine not since the controllers are wireless but what other than the PS3 Eye would I possibly want more USB ports?


I have never used more than two ports. One occasionally for charging the controller (unit has to be powered on) - but usually I just plug it into a laptop sitting next to me, and the other for a keyboard for texting. You may be able to use a self-powered USB hub, but I'm not sure.

quote:
Hard Drive size can I just swap out the drive with some megolithic sized drive and would I need to?


Mine is the orginal 60GB version. Within a year with demo downloads, movie trailer downloads, and games themselves, it went to 50GB in no time. Now I have a 320GB in there and it's a little over 1/3 full with in game screenshots, more pictures & home movies, and more downloads. It all depends on what you want to put on it.


RE: People were waiting
By bkslopper on 9/4/2009 12:15:59 PM , Rating: 2
I'm an owner of an older 20GB 360 and a newer 80GB "fat" PS3.

I've found that they are both roughly equally capable in the graphics department, and the controllers basicly boil down to personal preference. The game exclusives also boil down to preference, so research what is available. (If you have a rockin PC, I'd give a bonus point to the PS3, since many 360 exclusives are also on PC.)

Areas I prefer about the 360 is mainly in the online arena. Although it costs around $4.17 a month, Live feels more robust than PSN. If you're big on voice chat, Netflix, and online gaming, 360 has the edge. (I'd honestly pick the console that most of your friends own.)

Areas where I prefer PS3 are the fact that accessories are cheaper, mainly because more 3rd party options are available. The 360 tends to use propietary hardware, which is ironic since that's usually Sony's forte. It also has built-in wi-fi and a Blu-ray player.

Reliability-wise. The PS3 has had a better track record up to this point, but the 360 has improved over the years and the Slim is honestly a question mark. No one has owned one long enough to say one way or another.


RE: People were waiting
By Yeah on 9/4/2009 12:42:18 PM , Rating: 2
I think the things that sold me on the PS3 (original)over the 360 was not having to pay for online gaming or the store or anything having to do with online play which I still think the 360 you have to pay for.

And its nice to have backwards compatability to ps1 and ps2 games since I have that version.

That and .. (at the time) the ps3 had built in wireless where the 360 you had to purchase an extra piece of hardware. I do not know if this is still the case. Metal Gear Solid .. awsome.. I just hope they bring back Time Splitters.


RE: People were waiting
By StevoLincolnite on 9/4/2009 9:32:04 PM , Rating: 2
The Xbox 360 also has backwards compatibility for Xbox 1 games as well.

Also, I live in a fairly small town, and the only place where I can buy games is at a small local store, unfortunately they don't sell Xbox Live! Gold subscriptions stand-a-lone, instead you have to buy it with a head-set, so over time I have gotten 4 headsets which have given me 4 years of Gold Subscription. (Which is $240 here in total, the Arcade console costs $300 at the moment.)

Regarding the Wireless, there are several other ways you can network an Xbox 360 to a Wireless network without having to buy the stupidly expensive USB Wireless dongle.
You could for instance buy a Wireless Ethernet Adapter (It's like a USB adapter but plugs into the Ethernet Port and doesn't require drivers), or set-up a Wireless bridge through another wireless router.

Personally I just connect my Xbox 360 to my Netbook, which in turn connects to my Wireless network and get connectivity that way, unfortunately it's a pain in the butt to Port Forward doing it that way.
It's probably the biggest Strength of the PS3 in my eyes having built in Wireless functionality, especially when I have to plug-in my netbook just to game online.

I intend to get a PS3 soon for Blue-ray and the exclusive Titles, does anyone know if it is possible to connect my Xbox 360 to the PS3 via Ethernet which in turn connects to my wireless network to get online? - Would save allot of hassles. :)

Also going by what Major Nelson posted on his website, the Xbox 360 Price cuts seem to only be happening in the United States, it's not a World-wide price cut like the PS3 which is unfortunate, feel free to correct me on this if you know/seen otherwise.

And there has been some rumors floating around on a 250gb model Xbox 360, which couldn't come here soon enough, I have an Arcade model, and got the 20gb drive for $20 just before the NXE update happened, and have struggled keeping enough free space on the thing, so if they release a 250gb version I'll jump all over it!


RE: People were waiting
By boldingd on 9/4/2009 1:57:28 PM , Rating: 2
I just got my PS3 Slim yesterday; I've had a 360 for... I'd guess around 6 months (I don't really remember when I got the thing). I'm mostly a PC gamer, so I don't think I've got a lot of bias as far as console preference.
As far as streaming: I haven't gotten my PS3 to see Windows machine's Windows Media Center as a media server - but, I have gotten it to see third-party UPnP servers running on the same computer, and so far it's actually working much better as a streaming media player than my XBox was when it was trying to connect to Windows Media Center (and there are a number of great, free (as in speech and beer) UPnP servers out there, that are feature-rich and easy to set-up and use). I've gotten my PS3 to actually play music and movies from my PC, which is something my XBox never actually did. One other, related thing I really like about the PS3 is that there's an obvious way to copy media from UPnP servers or attached USB devices onto the console's own local hard-drive; that's very nice, because there's a lot of wireless noise in my apartment building, which can cause connection issues that can seriously effect video streaming. I've been able to copy pictures, music and movies from my PC and from my USB flash drive, which is, again, something I never got my XBox 360 to do.

I've only experimented with my PS3 for a few hours, but so far as I recall, the thing does have a hardware power button. I don't really know where the claim that it doesn't is coming from; you can check a display model and see for yourself pretty quickly. Also, the fact that the controllers charge over USB, and can connect via USB so that they can be used while charging/while the battery is dead is pretty nice -- no more having to take the batteries out of the TV remote because the ones in the 360 controller died in the middle of a GoW session. :)
On the flip side, I personally hate the way dual-shock controllers are laid out. I find the placement of the analog stick to be extremely awkward, and I basically find the left analog stick to be unusable (I have to really stretch my thumb over to somewhere it does not like to be to reach it). I much prefer the arrangement of the 360's controllers.

I didn't notice if the PS3 had a Netflix service. I *think* it did, but I won't swear to it. I'm much more interested in the streaming-from-my-computers aspect of it, and so far, that's working out a lot better with my PS3. (Not perfectly, but better).

The biggest deciding factor for me was exclusive titles. The two big reasons I got a 360 instead of a PS3 six months ago where the large price difference, and Halo 3 (and Gears and Gears 2). With the price drop, the announcement of Tekken 6, and six months to save up, the PS3 started to look a lot more appealing. I think the XBox is a much better FPS platform, with the PS3 being much better for, well, fighting games. I've got Soul Calibur 4 for the 360, a good friend of mine has it for PS3, and I can tell you, it's *much* better on the PS3. Then again, you'd have to pay me to get me to play Red Faction Gurilla on the PS3.

Sorry to ramble...


RE: People were waiting
By Totally on 9/5/2009 8:30:42 PM , Rating: 2
This problem is new, the ps3 not being see video library, I'm having the same problem, but it worked completely fine when I was running vista/firmware 2.8. I hadn't tried accessing my library from my ps3 until last week but by then I was running W7/firmware 3.00. So I can't tell where it went off the rails.


RE: People were waiting
By eddieroolz on 9/4/2009 7:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
I can personally agree with what you said.

I'm a hardcore PC gamer but have been looking at a console for a bit, because racing games tend to be better for console and there are some console exclusives. Having owned PS2 and played GT4 on it, I wanted a PS3 to be able to play GT5.

After the price cut to $299, I actually gave it some serious thought to buying a PS3. In the end, I didn't though, because I'm rather cash-strapped at the moment.


Good to see the PS3 sales picking up...
By Amiga500 on 9/4/2009 10:34:31 AM , Rating: 5
If only to make sure Sony hangs around for the next-generation.

If microsoft gained a monopoly on high-end games consoles, it would be a disaster!




RE: Good to see the PS3 sales picking up...
By mfed3 on 9/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: Good to see the PS3 sales picking up...
By MrUniq on 9/4/2009 11:01:27 AM , Rating: 5
It's ironic to see fanboys call other people fanboys. He basically pointed out there is competition needed in the console market and then you spin into an aimless rant against Sony's hardware decisions for the PS3.


By explicit4u on 9/4/2009 11:21:07 AM , Rating: 2
Took the words right out of my mouth!


By dwalton on 9/4/2009 5:11:33 PM , Rating: 2
What I find funny is that there are plenty of people that carry that belief but wherever MS has a virtual monopoly there seems to exist pretty robust competition thats often free.

One of the biggest complaints about MS seems to be about it adopting open or universal standards. But its seems to me that you don't tend to find open and universal formats adopted at greater rates when competition is more robust. In fact the reason why monopolies like MS are allowed to exist is that they created a level of ubiquity you don't find where competition is heavy.

A total MS monopoly of the gaming market is hardly going to be a reality. Even if MS monopolized the console market, its everlasting need to increase its share price would force it to make decisions that would alienate its userbase and provide opportunites for the market that the console market has bled dry in terms of copying and thats PC gaming.


By ocphon on 9/4/2009 11:10:23 AM , Rating: 1
waaaaa wwaaaa waaaaa.

stop crying. lol.


RE: Good to see the PS3 sales picking up...
By Iaiken on 9/4/2009 11:14:12 AM , Rating: 3
Pot... kettle... black?

With the exception of the odd exclusive here and there (most of which are crap mind you), I can't really see any reason to slander one system over the other.

All the good games come out on both. In addition, they often come out on PC as well, which then demonstrates just how dated the current generations hardware already is.

I game on PC, PS3 and Wii (in order of playtime) and I've played enough 360 to know I don't want to own one. I can't stand FPS on the console. All other worthwhile games came out on PS3 also. PSN is free and I certainly don't have to deal with the vast majority of users on XBL are either under 12 or are developmentally retarded...

But what do I know, my favorite flavor is blue.


By Nfarce on 9/4/2009 11:26:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I can't stand FPS on the console.


Amen to that, brother. Glad I'm not the only one. Being a 10+ year veteran of PC FPS gaming with a keyboard & mouse, a controller is alien to me for those games. But for racing games and sports games it works fine on the PS3. Dirt2 is looking good on the demo I downloaded recently.


By Amiga500 on 9/4/2009 11:15:57 AM , Rating: 2
Uhh... Yeah whatever.

I don't own either, pcs are enough for me. However, I have brothers that own both.

If its of any relevance, they do seem to use the PS3 more, but I'm not often in their house, so can't say for certain.


RE: Good to see the PS3 sales picking up...
By omnicronx on 9/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: Good to see the PS3 sales picking up...
By Belard on 9/4/2009 3:01:14 PM , Rating: 2
Even before SONY entered the game, Nintendo was selling games for $40~60 each. Even today, GameCube games are about $20~25 used.

$40~50 for a single game title has been the avg since the 90s.


By SPOOFE on 9/7/2009 2:22:26 AM , Rating: 2
I paid $80 for Final Fantasy III. Worth every penny, too.


RE: Good to see the PS3 sales picking up...
By bighairycamel on 9/4/2009 3:08:21 PM , Rating: 2
I think you should realize that every console except a few have been on relative grounds price-wise at launch with calculated inflation.

http://cache.gizmodo.com/images/2006/05/relative.g...
The PS2 was equivalent to ~$348 (in 2006 numbers) and the PS1 at ~$393 compared to ~$365 for the original NES and SMS. $500 for a PS3 was steeper than average, but the PS2 hardly changed to pricing landscape like you claim. The PS3 was only expensive because they gambled on new technology (Bluray, Cell), and they paid for it with giant losses in market share. In the future I doubt they make the same mistake (read: hope they don't).


By omnicronx on 9/4/2009 4:19:35 PM , Rating: 2
The PS3 was almost 800 dollars upon release here in Canada, meanwhile I bought the 360 for 500. Sony assumed they had such a strong following from the two previous consoles that they thought they could pull it off.

The PS3 is not a bad console, and I don't even own a 360 anymore,(Just my PS3 and Wii) so I have nothing against it other than the high price. These would have been flying off the shelves and Sony would have been racking in profits on games bought a long time ago had the price been lowered sooner.


By SPOOFE on 9/4/2009 4:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If microsoft gained a monopoly on high-end games consoles, it would be a disaster!

Nah, it would be an opportunity. What is the concern about monopolies? Stagnation. What happens if Microsoft's gaming offering stagnates? The market is primed for new blood, and new players in the market can only be a GOOD thing.

Why should we support a company just to "maintain competition"? That's anti-competitive, ironically enough. If a company can't remain competitive on its own right, it deserves to go.

No, even without Sony to go head to head with, Microsoft will still be competing, even if it's just with themselves. If they stop putting out a compelling product, they stop making money... and their entire business model requires a constant flow of cash. They've made their investment, and now they're competing against TIME so they can recoup their investment. Microsoft (or Sony, or any company) will react to what their shareholders want, not what customers want.


RE: Good to see the PS3 sales picking up...
By POedWithSONY on 9/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: Good to see the PS3 sales picking up...
By someguy123 on 9/5/2009 12:48:47 AM , Rating: 3
don't see what you're complaining about here. warranty ended, so your box isn't covered anymore, pretty simple. would you complain about your insurance not covering your broken leg after it expired a week before?

microsoft's the same with their 360s: 100$ repair fee after warranty, and i'm assuming nintendo has something similar.

really, you have no one to blame but yourself for not getting an extended warranty, and before you go off about how you shouldn't have to, technically the fault percentage is only 10% within the first two years, so you just have terrible luck.


RE: Good to see the PS3 sales picking up...
By POedWithSONY on 9/5/2009 8:56:24 AM , Rating: 1
Dude, aside from luck, the disc player is a piece of $hit. This is zero customer service. I owned a large computer company and let me tell you, most big companies bend the rules when they realize a part was garbage. This has nothing to do with luck.

And, they leave you with ZERO options. You HAVE TO follow their repair scheme. I live 10 minutes from the repair depot!!!! I have to COURIER it.

Why can't I simply buy the PART and replace it myself at my own risk. There is NO WARRANTY TO VOID NOW!!?

Why, because SONY SUCKS.

Wait until this run-a-round happens to you. You will love them as well. Sorry dude, 20 years in the elctronics game, don't preach to me. I have switched over to PANASONIC.


By someguy123 on 9/5/2009 3:11:49 PM , Rating: 2
again, the total fault rate is 10%, and i'm sure the disc player's fault rate is even lower. this "piece of $hit" disc player's fault rate is pretty much in line with all available blu-ray players.

the options for the other consoles are pretty much the same, and i'd assume they're the same for panasonic products as well. just because your panasonic product hasn't broken down doesn't mean their repair service is better. i'm not sure any sizable company like samsung or panasonic sells individual parts to be used for personal repair. if your blu-ray panasonic player fails, i doubt they'll send over a blu-ray diode even if you tried to pay for it.


By Insomniator on 9/4/2009 11:30:12 AM , Rating: 1
So basically according to these charts thousands of every system are sold EVERY WEEK in just America?

30k PS2's... its a great system at a great price... but who are the 30,000 people that decided now is the time to get one 9 years after its release?

Same for the wii, its been cheap for 2 years and has been selling off the charts since its release. 75 THOUSAND people decided to get one this week at the same price it has always been?

I'm just not grasping the number of potential buyers or the buying cycle or something here.

I mean yeah, I waited 2 years to get my PS3 and I understand there are others like me but I wouldn't think 100k each freakin week.




By explicit4u on 9/4/2009 11:39:06 AM , Rating: 2
Over at engadget people are also questioning the reliability of the charts based on their source.


By Iaiken on 9/4/2009 12:40:59 PM , Rating: 4
Could be that you made the mistake of thinking that you are a singular unique being in a sea of 450 million others.

30,000/450,000,000 = 0.006% of the population...

That's a pretty insignificant proportion of the population and at that rate of adoption per week, it would take 16666 weeks (or 320 years) for everyone in the US to have acquired one.

Good ol math, nothin' beats math...


By boldingd on 9/4/2009 2:08:12 PM , Rating: 2
Ignorance beats math -- in that it can drown it out.


First Week
By inighthawki on 9/4/2009 10:49:48 AM , Rating: 2
Well of course there will be more sales on the first week, but is that really that important? Introducing a new model, and at a lower price is surely going to attract a lot of people that were waiting for it, but isn't the important thing will be how the sales stabilize over the next few weeks?




RE: First Week
By blackseed on 9/4/2009 11:29:33 AM , Rating: 2
I seriously am surprized that it only sold that much. Jump of 104% for the slim version.

I see more ads of 360 Elite gone down in price (Elite+Wireless+Games) $329 Cnd than $299Cnd slim version in Ont, Canada.

Blackseed


RE: First Week
By omnicronx on 9/4/2009 11:57:47 AM , Rating: 2
They didnt even advertise it here. I just happened to see a few at the front of Bestbuy which had a tiny pricetag above it. Come Christmas time this could be a hot seller.


good lord
By invidious on 9/4/2009 5:15:36 PM , Rating: 1
Who would buy a ps3 the week before a newer smaller and cheaper ps3 hits the market?

This is the kind of moronic reporting we have come to expect from Apple product coverage, I don't think we need to see it cross over into game concole coverage.




RE: good lord
By Tom mc3s on 9/7/2009 1:58:42 AM , Rating: 2
This is what I was thinking. The real test will be to see how the consoles stack up over the holiday season when some big exclusives hit and more people will be out to purchase a console.


RE: good lord
By jay401 on 9/7/2009 2:01:15 PM , Rating: 2
exactly, it's silly to use the week just before the new model/price arrives as a comparison week when so many people knew about it and were waiting for it to drop.


Still undecided . . .
By blueboy09 on 9/4/2009 7:50:26 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, both systems are almost on par with each other hardware-wise. Accessory-wise, well that's another story all together. The only thing that makes the PS3 an advantage is that you can connect to the internet right out of the box, they don't overheat (haven't heard not one problem with that), and they have one of the cheapest BR players around. They don't have as many games as MS, but that doesn't mean that PS3 is a total flop either, but I wished to hell that they had a stripped-down version of the PS3, but seeing that it would still have to have BR tech to just play the games itself, I find this irrelevant anyway. This is just my 2 cents, folks, move along, move along. . .




RE: Still undecided . . .
By wempa on 9/5/2009 2:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure what you mean about the internet. Both consoles can connect right out of the box. You get an Xbox Live gold account free for 1 month, which will drop to a silver account automatically if it's not renewed. The PS3 does have built-in wireless, which MS makes you buy their overpriced adapter for. In any case, I happen to own all 3 systems. I've been an Xbox fan starting with the original just because of the mod scene, although I'm definitely not a "fanboy". IMO, the PS3 has always been a great value for what it gives you. In all honesty, if you don't care about the Xbox exclusives and aren't particularly attached to Xbox Live, then the PS3 is a great choice now. What's been driving the Xbox sales is the huge selection of games plus Xbox Live. I know a lot of people at my company that bought the Xbox 360 only because their co-workers already had one and they wanted to play on Xbox Live.


Lower price
By Chaser on 9/4/2009 1:09:38 PM , Rating: 2
I have a feeling the PS3 is going to have a pretty decent Christmas shopping season.




app playstation slim
By erum21 on 9/4/2009 1:57:31 PM , Rating: 2
Finally a price cut! Now is time to buy one myself. All is fine but I would like to see news on application for the playstation, maybe some discount for games as well. Way to go Sony! Keep price down and sales up!




Guys guys guys guys guys!
By bill3 on 9/4/2009 2:53:45 PM , Rating: 2
VGchartz is well known among those in the know as FAKE data!

Posting a news story based on Vgchartz data is most likely a bad idea.

The site is not like official sales trackers like NPD, Chart Track in the UK, GFK in the EU, or Media Create/Famitsu in Japan.

NPD gets data from 60% of the market in the USA, and spends a lot of time and money estimating the other 40% (mainly Wal Mart). NPD also charges thousands of dollars for it's detailed data. What does VgChartz do?? VGchartz is not real data, it's just some guy who fabricates it based on a solid knowledge of past data.

I also believe VGchartz does have a smattering of "real" data. However they get this illegally. How do I know? Because the owner once pmed me on their forums asking if I could give them data, when I mentioned I worked in distribution.

That's where his "data" assuredly comes from, a few gamestop clerks and such that post at his forums, feeding him the numbers they get from work, which is quite illegal btw. Not to mention some of the data could be fanboy fakes, etc.

That said, given the nature of statistical sampling, I once held hope Chartz could become an accurate NPD predictor. However this has never really happened. He's usually pretty far off from NPD.

Besides that, it's pretty obvious stuff, any one of us could probably guess PS3 sales would be up quite a bit, no? That's all he's doing, along with his smattering of whatever real data he gets.

Bottom line, VGChartz is shady, inaccurate, and shouldn't be referenced in news pieces. I dont hate the site either, I just recognize it's built on dishonesty. I think it's a good idea to have a site that aggregates and discusses legitimate video game sales (those from NPD, Chart Track, etc). It's just that the real time sales part of the site is fake.

So basically, wait for real data. The NPD's, Chart Track will surely have some blurbs soon about slim sales, Famitsu sales will show soon, etc.

Chart Track already said 360 sales were up 43% week over week on the Elite price cut. http://www.mcvuk.com/news/35636/Xbox-360-sales-up-... They haven't spoken on the slim yet.




well
By jay401 on 9/7/2009 2:00:11 PM , Rating: 2
That's good sales news, however, the data for the first week of the new model/price should be compared with a week about a month earlier. You can't just compare it to the week right before the sale, when many people have heard about the impending price cut / new model and are waiting for it to arrive. That's silly to use that week to compare against. ;)




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