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PlayStation 3 beats all but the Wii during January hardware sales

Holiday sales figures for gaming console hardware were predictable. Nintendo Wii was at the top, Xbox 360 somewhere in the middle and the PlayStation 3 near the bottom. But 2008 is a new year and so far looks nothing at all like 2007 – except, of course, the Wii is still number one.

Nintendo’s console sold the most in North America with 274,000 units, likely still selling out whatever is shipped to retailers.

Believe it or not, second place belongs to the PlayStation 3, selling 269,000, just 5,000 fewer units than the Wii. The PS2 wasn’t far behind either, with 264,000.

The handheld systems occupied places fourth and fifth, with the Nintendo DS moving 251,000 and the PSP doing 230,000.

Surprisingly, the Xbox 360 tied for last place with 230,000 units for the month. Microsoft told the press before the release of NPD data that its console recently experienced shortages.

"You could say we misjudged demand ... We're literally out of stock in many stores," Jeff Bell, head of global marketing for Microsoft's games business, said in Reuters story. "We think this will have an impact on our sales. It may cause the overall industry number to be down a little bit ... Retailers have been really upset, they are on allocation. It is a lag I think we're seeing in January and that may continue into February, then as spring ramps up, we'll be able to meet that demand."

Sony, on the other hand, appeared to be exceptionally pleased at its excellent placement in January. The PlayStation 3 finds itself in unfamiliar territory being near the top. One possible explanation could be that the Warner Bros. announcement regarding exclusive Blu-ray Disc support pushed those on the fence to finally pick up a PlayStation 3. Another reason could be that, with the PS3 being the bottom seller during December 2007, there was still plenty of stock remaining in retail channels to make up for shortages of other systems.

Regardless, Sony was happy to boast that its PlayStation brand as a whole generated the most U.S. retail dollars in the industry with $486 million, 25 percent higher than Nintendo and 61 percent higher than Microsoft.

“Coming off a great holiday sales season we see strong momentum behind PS3 in 2008,and feel confident about the year ahead. We have an exceptionally diverse lineup of exclusive games, from Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Resistance 2 to more mainstream games such as LittleBigPlanet and SingStar,” Said Jack Tretton, CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment America. “Beyond that, we have Blu-ray emerging as the de facto high def standard, the developer community is hitting their stride, consumers are recognizing the tremendous value and innovative services such as PlayStation Home are all in the works, so this is definitely shaping up to be a breakthrough year for us.”

Despite January being a typically slower month in the videogame industry, the first month of 2008 was up 18 percent as compared to the same period last year, with games leading at 50 percent higher. Overall, the U.S. games industry pulled in $1.18 billion in sales during January.



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Will it keep up?
By Zoomer on 2/15/2008 9:43:19 AM , Rating: 3
It'll be interesting to see if this keeps up. It's particularly interesting to see that it's almost besting the Wii, despite the Wii having a much lower price.




RE: Will it keep up?
By Hiawa23 on 2/15/2008 9:59:17 AM , Rating: 3
The other thing is that to most, the Xbox360 is just not as capable as the PS3. You have to buy so much add ons on for 360 just to make it as capable as the PS3.

If we are talking about games, the 360 is just as capable as the PS3. Yeah, RPGs will probably be on multiple discs cause the 360 uses DVD9, capable of 8 gigs, versus Blu ray which is 25single, 50dual layer. RPGs usually waste most of the space with all the FMV & stuff. If we are talking about games, the 360 is as capable as the PS3, & this is all I buy consoles for, to play games. I know alot of gamers have had RROD of death, but my 11/03/05 unit continues to work fine, but I am sure that may be a reason some are moving to Sony's side.


RE: Will it keep up?
By NullSubroutine on 2/15/2008 10:24:01 AM , Rating: 2
Most games dont do FMV as it is easier, cheaper, and more efficient to do in-game cut-scenes. With these next generation consoles, the in game cut scenes are about just as good as you get in FMV.


RE: Will it keep up?
By othercents on 2/15/2008 10:38:25 AM , Rating: 2
Personally I think the 360 is more capable than the PS3. However not everyone will use the features that I want like Media Center Extender. I'm also wanting to just download HD movies instead of buying blueray or HDDVD. Media is a thing of the past and everything should be going to downloads at this point.

Other


RE: Will it keep up?
By BZDTemp on 2/15/08, Rating: 0
RE: Will it keep up?
By Bryf50 on 2/15/2008 2:21:46 PM , Rating: 1
So basically you only read his first sentence before you replied.


RE: Will it keep up?
By Denigrate on 2/15/2008 11:15:56 AM , Rating: 5
Considering MS has stated (and they new it was a problem) that all first gen 360's will experience the RROD, be glad they've given the extended warranty. Hope the 360 refresh truly fixes the problem. The RROD and built in Bluray is why I went PS3.


RE: Will it keep up?
By Denigrate on 2/15/2008 11:33:37 AM , Rating: 1
knew, not new.


RE: Will it keep up?
By noirsoft on 2/15/2008 11:46:06 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft has never stated that _all_ 1st gen 360s will experience a RRoD. Even the worst estimates of 30% failure rate (probably grossly inflated) still indicate that _most_ will not fail.


RE: Will it keep up?
By BladeVenom on 2/15/2008 12:56:12 PM , Rating: 1
Those estimates are only for the first year though. Those 360s have 4 or 5 more years to go before the next generation. By that time, I think most all will have failed if they are used regularly.


RE: Will it keep up?
By Topweasel on 2/15/2008 2:13:00 PM , Rating: 2
I know this an example of the whole product range, but I have a week 1 (had it shipped from best buy 3 days after release) 360 that is still running strong 2.5 years after I got it. Gen 1 units are more likely to have the issue since its a problem with heat dissipation lacking causing the mobo to warp but that's not to say every single unit will eventually have this problem. At this point I would think that I am just as likely if not more to have something else fail due to its age then the main RROD issue.


RE: Will it keep up?
By chick0n on 2/16/2008 9:30:01 PM , Rating: 1
if u play 1 hour a week your Xbox360 should last u couple of years. but we're talking about 3-5 hours a DAY for 1 year straight.

Come back in a year.


RE: Will it keep up?
By robinthakur on 2/15/08, Rating: -1
RE: Will it keep up?
By Hawkido on 2/15/08, Rating: -1
RE: Will it keep up?
By ajvitaly on 2/15/2008 10:44:50 AM , Rating: 2
The only reason the PS3 is so close in sales to the Wii is because the Nintendo can't make them fast enough. If more Wii's were made, the sales gap would be much higher.


RE: Will it keep up?
By StevoLincolnite on 2/15/2008 12:41:46 PM , Rating: 2
Well that may be part of the issue, Personally I like my PC, Nothing beats a good ole' hashing on Crysis.

Still:
"Regardless, Sony was happy to boast that its PlayStation brand as a whole generated the most U.S. retail dollars in the industry with $486 million, 25 percent higher than Nintendo and 61 percent higher than Microsoft."
Is that actually "Sales" money? Or Profit, I was slightly confused by that :/
If that is profit, Then how did Sony profit so much when Nintendo Out-sold them and gains a larger Profit Per Console, over the PS3?


RE: Will it keep up?
By AlphaVirus on 2/15/2008 4:06:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Is that actually "Sales" money? Or Profit, I was slightly confused by that :/

I think about this everytime a new "console war" article comes out.
People boast that the Wii is outselling the 360 and PS3 but given they are all priced different, which is actually making the most profit at the end of the day.
I am not going to back anyside because I truly have no clue of the answer but it would be interesting to have a breakdown from each side.

quote:
PlayStation brand as a whole generated the most U.S. retail dollars in the industry with $486 million, 25 percent higher than Nintendo and 61 percent higher than Microsoft."

The only thing that really messes this statement up is
quote:
PlayStation brand as a whole

because that includes PSP,PS1,PS2,PS3 (dont think I missed anything). And while PS3 may not be such a high profit, Sony is gaining ground with the PSP and PS2.

Microsoft will probably always be in the rear because it has no handheld devices and only has the 360 to push its fight. Nintendo and Sony will be competing till the end, we will see what happens.


RE: Will it keep up?
By keiclone on 2/17/2008 1:24:56 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
People boast that the Wii is outselling the 360 and PS3 but given they are all priced different, which is actually making the most profit at the end of the day.


If you're using profit as your metric then Nintendo still wins because they're the only ones making a profit off the hardware.


RE: Will it keep up?
By goog40 on 2/15/2008 11:37:57 AM , Rating: 5
The sales are low for the 360 (for reasons mentioned already) and the Wii because Nintendo was shipping Wiis by air to America prior to Christmas but changed to shipments by boat afterwards, which take several weeks longer. Because of that, virtually no retailers received any shipments of Wiis for the first three weeks of the year, besides Gamestop which had to fulfill the preorders from December. It looks like stores are back to receiving shipments of Wiis about once a week now.

I would expect the February numbers to return to normal for the Wii, but not the 360 since apparently it is still sold out everywhere. I checked the availability of 360 Pros in local stores through their respective websites - CC is OOS in all 10 local stores, GS has limited availability in 2 out of 23 stores, Target has limited availability in 1 out of 10 stores. From what I've read, the Elite is even harder to find.


RE: Will it keep up?
By Samus on 2/15/2008 9:59:08 PM , Rating: 4
bluray might save the ps3 after all.


RE: Will it keep up?
By daftrok on 2/17/2008 3:30:50 AM , Rating: 5
Oddly enough, the PS3 saved bluray as well.


RE: Will it keep up?
By Noubourne on 2/18/2008 1:16:06 PM , Rating: 1
No, it won't be interesting. With HD-DVD going down for good, the most cost-efficient option for playing Blu-Ray is now the PS3.

It has all the features of the $400 Blu-Ray players, plus you can play games.

Look at the game software attach rate for the PS3. It's clearly being purchased only for movies by many consumers. The 360 is by far the number 1 next-gen console.


I think
By Noliving on 2/15/2008 10:16:46 AM , Rating: 2
I think part of the reason why the ps3 is doing better is because it is basically the only blu ray player that is upgradable to profile 2.0.

I think some of the sales of the ps3 is due to the fact that some people are buying it just for the ability to play blu ray movies, not because they want to play games at all.




RE: I think
By swampjelly on 2/15/2008 11:23:50 AM , Rating: 3
That's ludicrous.

The general public has no clue what Profile 2.0 is, they just know that Blue Ray gives them a better picture, and buys what the salesman recommends: Blue Ray

They don't even hear about Warner Brothers siding with Blue Ray UNTIL the salesman tells them.


RE: I think
By clovell on 2/15/2008 11:31:41 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know what profile 2 is, but with the format war swinging in favor of Blu-Ray (and not just on tech sites - stores are changing advertising & displays to favor Blu-Ray), I can't help but think it's a boon to Sony. I know quite a few parents who were hesitant to buy a $500~$600 gaming machine at first, but when it becomes a $400 gaming machine / next gen movie player, that might just be enough to send a parent over the edge.

Imagine - Jr. wants a PS3, and you want a BD player. Now you have additional rationaliz - I mean justification for the splurge, and you get to be Jr's hero. It's more of a win-win. Toss in free money from the US Gov't. that's kinda telling us it's our patriotic duty to spend, and boom - more PS3 sales.


RE: I think
By pomaikai on 2/15/2008 11:38:58 AM , Rating: 5
Agree. Dads wants a BD player and son wants a gaming machine. Its both against mom instead of kid against parents.


RE: I think
By someguy123 on 2/16/2008 6:54:20 AM , Rating: 2
you know, even though its the stereotype that women are the ones that deny men their tech toys, I've found that the majority of couples that I know of have upgraded their TV's (and subsequently their video drives) because of the female's badgering in the relationship. The current generation's tip towards the thin, sleek, and ungodly vibrant picture (HD 1080p is amazingly beautiful) seems to have captured women's tastes.


RE: I think
By kmmatney on 2/15/2008 12:50:08 PM , Rating: 2
I know a few people buying the PS3 just for a blue-ray player. Gaming is completely secondary.


RE: I think
By Noliving on 2/15/2008 3:49:04 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly also the bluray forums you get hundreds of people asking questions about profile 2.0 and most of the answers have to deal with ps3 being the best choice.


RE: I think
By BanditCoon on 2/25/2008 12:55:30 AM , Rating: 2
Having Blu-ray win was enough for me to buy a PS3. I had always wanted to buy one but couldn't justify it since I already have the Xbox360 and HD-DVD add-on with upconvert DVD player. Also had a Wii. I just didn't see the reason for a PS3 when I could get much the same games between the two consoles and HD movies. Now that Blu-ray won out, I thought it would be nice that I can have the player and be able to play PS1, PS2, and PS3 games (60gb). Only grip is that I heard it doesn't support as many audio options as a stand-alone player. Overall though, I still love my high-end gaming PC rig the best for playing games and mostly just use the consoles for watching movies with the kids and friends. Best of all is being able to play co-op with multiple PCs in the same room with games like BF or CoD series.


RE: I think
By Alexstarfire on 2/15/2008 7:35:41 PM , Rating: 2
What you're forgetting is that much of the general public isn't buying the PS3. Everyone I know who has one is either a fanboy or wanted a blu-ray player. I'm not saying fanboy like it's bad either, just to point out that the "general public" aren't the ones buying the PS3.

Anyone who wants a blu-ray player is likely going to get a PS3. I mean, why get a similar priced stand-alone blu-ray player when you can get the PS3 that plays games as well. That just doesn't make logical sense, you know.


RE: I think
By Steve Guilliot on 2/15/2008 9:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
This is also why the PS3 has a lower attach rate.


Really Sold Out
By Slaimus on 2/15/2008 10:22:16 AM , Rating: 5
I did not believe it until I checked Amazon. The X360 really is sold out.




RE: Really Sold Out
By kinnoch on 2/15/2008 11:39:18 AM , Rating: 2
I went to pick up an xbox 360 in january. I ended up going to (or calling) 3 best buys, 3 targets, 1 gamestop, and Fry's.

Fry's was the only store that had anything other than the Arcade version or the Halo edition in stock. However, It looked like they had changed the labels so you couldn't tell if it was a .65nm or not, so I didn't buy one. I was pretty shocked to never seeing any in stock.


RE: Really Sold Out
By jamesbond007 on 2/15/2008 1:17:46 PM , Rating: 2
I also went to purchase my Xbox 360 in January only to find the Arcade version left in stock. I was seeking either the Elite or Halo edition; the Best Buy rep ended up giving me a referral to one of the local Game Stops so that I could get the last Halo edition they had.

Needless to say, I was pretty shocked at the shortages as well. As a die-hard Halo fan, I couldn't wait to finally play Halo 3. I have had my Legendary copy since launch, but never bought the Xbox 360 because of a busy semster at college. :)


RE: Really Sold Out
By Domicinator on 2/15/2008 10:20:26 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, I finally decided to make the jump in January. I haven't had a console in my house since the SNES. I've been mainly a PC gamer my whole life. Lately, all the bad press about the PC gaming platform, all the low sales numbers, and all the good games I'm missing out on contributed to my decision.

So I called about 4 Best Buys in the Chicago area, and none of them had the Pro or Elite system. I called two or three Gamestops, not one in stock. I called Fry's, no dice. Everyone had the Arcade models, and that was it. Finally, I took a wild stab and called one more Best Buy. They had 3 Pro systems and they were going fast.

I drove as fast as I could to that Best Buy, and sitting on a pallet were 2 Pros. That means one sold within 20 minutes of me calling. Next to that pallet of 2 Pros was a huge heap of PS3s. I bought a Pro, and took it home.

I felt dirty. I could feel the angry glare coming from my gaming PC over in the corner of the room. She wasn't happy with her new room mate. None the less, I took the 360 out of its packaging VERY CAREFULLY. I wanted to make sure I had a Falcon model before ripping up any cardboard in case I needed to return the machine. It was indeed a Falcon model. I did about 4 different checks based on things I had seen online.

The shortage is very real. I'm sure people will cry conspiracy and say that MS is just trying to make it look more in demand than it is, but that would be a huge mistake for MS. They are going to lose some ground because of this shortage. In the Chicago area, you cannot find a Wii, a DS, or a 360 Pro or Elite. What option does that leave you with? The PS3. Of course it sold better in January. It's all there is to buy.

That being said, Sony will catch up. There are so many people out there now who buy all the systems available just so they can have all the exclusives. It's a different world now than last generation. People are more into gaming now than they have ever been before. All the systems will get their cut. It doesn't really matter which one "wins". Unless you're the owner of MS, Sony, or Nintendo, you win no matter what.


Well
By NullSubroutine on 2/15/2008 9:42:35 AM , Rating: 1
I bought my 60GB PS3 after a year of having an Xbox360. Mainly, I see Blu-ray is probably gonna win in the long term (even though I own 30-40 HD-DVD and will still buy them over Blu-ray), I wanted to make sure I got the hardware compatibility for PS2.

I don't really care for PS3 games except for maybe MGS4, but I hear it will be on Xbox360 only a few months later, but dont know if thats true. Maybe if they make FFVII remake or even perhaps may get GT5.




RE: Well
By TerranMagistrate on 2/15/2008 12:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
I don't really care for PS3 games except for maybe MGS4, but I hear it will be on Xbox360 only a few months later, but dont know if thats true.

That's a false rumor, debunked quite a few times by Hideo Kojima and others at Kojima Productions since 2006.


RE: Well
By sweetsauce on 2/16/2008 3:09:37 PM , Rating: 2
I remember this insane rummor i heard a few years ago. It said that devil may cry 4 would be coming to the xbox360 a few months after launch. Everyone cried foul, blah blah its ps exclusive, but not only did the 360 get it, it got it on the same day as the ps3. Short of it, don't count it out. Multi platform = maximum profit.


RE: Well
By TerranMagistrate on 2/16/2008 3:47:20 PM , Rating: 2
Name one major Capcom franchise that isn't multiplatform. Good luck with that.

Not all companies work the same way. Konami Japan and Sony are working closely on a number of projects directly related to MGS. If that isn't proof enough, I guess you'll have to sit tight and wait. In the end, MGS4 is purely a PS3 game only.


PS3 gains major ground
By pomaikai on 2/15/08, Rating: 0
RE: PS3 gains major ground
By fromthewoods on 2/15/2008 10:21:19 AM , Rating: 2
At least someone on here has some sense. Xbox 360 has been out for a few years now and sales are winding down as pomaikai said. Finally after how many price cuts the PS3 is affordable, not mention it's the holiday season so people are willing to pony up a bit more to get a PS3 now that the prices are more in the affordable range. AND there's finally some good games. I don't own either console but I feel at this point it's a wash between either console. The only benefit the PS3 has is the possibility that BluRay will win the HD media war. Playing games on DVD vs BluRay? How many games are out that have more than one DVD? I'm no expert but I don't think that has anything to do with lagging Xbox 360 sales.

My $0.02


RE: PS3 gains major ground
By Brockway on 2/15/2008 5:28:06 PM , Rating: 2
Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey are the only multi-dvd games that come to mind, but Blue Dragon is also like 4 dvd's. I forget how many LO comes on. As long as dev's aren't forced to cut down their games to fit them on 1 dvd, it shouldn't be too big a deal for 360 gamers. I own a ps3 though so not really an issue for me.


RE: PS3 gains major ground
By sweetsauce on 2/16/2008 3:13:11 PM , Rating: 2
Lost Odyseey is 4 DVD's. Blue Dragon is 3 DVD's. Lost Odyssey is beyond bloated with movies, which its pretty cool i guess. Fits the final fantasy profile. Games like that are mostly about the story and experience than content, so its easy to see why it takes up 4 dvds.


Bottom Line......
By Vanilla Thunder on 2/15/2008 10:18:39 AM , Rating: 2
Nintendo and the Wii still win. Over and over again. And sure, Sony's US revenue looks great, but after they calculate all the losses they take with each console, Nintendo is still making more money.

Vanilla




RE: Bottom Line......
By pomaikai on 2/15/2008 11:42:00 AM , Rating: 1
In other words. As a consumer. PS3 and 360 are a really good deal for what you get while your are getting screwed by nintendo beause they want to make money. I could careless how much profit each company makes. The more I have to shell out for a system the less I can spend on games.


RE: Bottom Line......
By Domicinator on 2/16/2008 11:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
BOTH Microsoft and Sony are losing money on their consoles, but that's pretty common in the first half of a console cycle. The Wii's hardware was low powered and out of date from the start, so I imagine that's why it's cheaper for them to manufacture. I could be completely talking out of my rear end on that, but it must have something to do with why the Wii is cheaper than the others.

Now, Sony and Microsoft hope to make up for their initial losses by selling LOTS of software. This is where the term "attachment rate" comes from, and it basically means how many games a console owner buys for said console. The attachment rate for Xbox 360 is much higher than it is for the Playstation 3. I think it's something like 4 to 1 in favor of 360 software.

So in the end, Nintendo is making money on you no matter what, Microsoft is making money on the software, and Sony isn't making money on much of anything except for whatever cut they're getting from BluRay sales. If Sony doesn't make good on some exclusives this year, they are not going to be able to keep holding their own.

But yes, people keep predicting that it will be a close race this time around, and I tend to agree with that. Microsoft's early release of the 360 got them a huge lead on the competition, and it got people really hooked on Xbox Live, which is going to be their bread and butter no matter what system you're using it on. The RRoD controversy doesn't even seem to matter to people who are hooked on Xbox Live, and that is a big testament to how great of a business model it is. It seems like people consider it a hassle, but not a big enough hassle that they want to abandon all those Gamerpoints. And they seem to take comfort in the three year warranty. I know I do.

Sony's late release hurt them, and so did their lack of exclusives and price of entry at the beginning. I think MS really put the heat on them and it worked. This year may bring them back up to speed if they have another price drop and if the exclusives prove to be good titles. But the fact that the PS3 is being used more as a BluRay player than a gaming machine is NOT a good thing. Sony needs to step it up with new games.

Nintendo is doing exactly what they said they would do. They have created a machine that EVERYONE can play. I think I may have considered buying a Wii, but it seems like on the Wii people get hooked on one game for awhile, and then they just stop playing it. But good for Nintendo. The Gamecube was kind of a debacle for them, and they really rebounded with the Wii. I think it will either continue to sell really well, or at some point, out of nowhere, it may absolutely start to just tank.

My point? All three of these consoles have strengths and weaknesses that balance each other out and we won't start being able to truly predict anything for the future until we get some official GDC announcements next week. I can't wait for the coverage!!!!


100% supply related
By freon on 2/15/2008 12:06:45 PM , Rating: 4
This is easily explained, and MS already did before these results come out. It has nothing to do with games, nothing to do with HD vs BRay battles, and certainly nothing to do with any sort of Sony vs MS debates. Bottom line is I see a couple PS3 on the shelves everywhere I go. The only 360 I have seen at any store in the past 3 weeks is the Arcade. It is no surprise Sony came out on top this month.




RE: 100% supply related
By Shlong on 2/15/2008 1:32:51 PM , Rating: 1
I haven't read / heard about any Xbox 360 shortages. I've always seen 360's in stores (except for Christmas time).


PS3 Blueray
By SlyNine on 2/15/2008 11:17:39 PM , Rating: 2
What Im inserted in, If BlueRay players come down below the price of a PS3. Will the figures be the same.

Right now I can see a huge amount of the PS3s being used as BlueRay, Witch doesn't really help sony's PS3s out. I don't know how much if any but last I knew Sony was still losing money on the PS3.

But it comes down to developers. If they find that even though the PS3's are out selling 360s yet 360s are selling more games per console, they will have to consider this. So it doesn't necessary mean its winning as a game system, but as a multimedia system.




RE: PS3 Blueray
By SlyNine on 2/15/2008 11:19:02 PM , Rating: 2
Interested*


The REAL numbers don't lie.
By Domicinator on 2/16/2008 9:02:54 AM , Rating: 2
In the US, the 360 currently rules the roost by a long shot. In Japan, It's the Wii by a long shot. And of course world wide it's the Wii in the lead just due to the fact that it appeals to a MUCH larger type of audience. (see numbers below)

The fact of the matter is that Sony is playing catch up in ALL regions this year. They have serious ground to gain. These reports coming out about PS3 finally having some good sales are great for Sony, but it's not a good reason to judge the overall success of the PS3 yet. I'm baffled as to how the big Sony fans are declaring this the final victory over the 360. That mentality blows my mind. Of COURSE the PS3 came out on top in January; you can't find any of the other systems anywhere!! The Wii, DS, and Xbox 360 have all been more or less unavailable in the Chicago area for well over a month now.

That being said, the PS3 is going to catch up eventually. It can't flatline forever. But when all is said and done in this generation of consoles, even if the PS3 "wins", the lead will be slimmer than it has been in the past. So the VERY big picture here is that MS is gaining console market share on Sony over the last few years. Very interesting.

Worldwide sales figures

1. Wii: 20.13 million, as of December 31, 2007
2. Xbox 360: 17.7 million, as of January 3, 2008
3. PlayStation 3: 10.49 million, as of December 31, 2007

US sales figures

1. Xbox 360: 9.15 million, as of January 1, 2008
2. Wii: 7.38 million, as of January 1, 2008
3. PlayStation 3: 3.25 million, as of January 1, 2008

Japan sales figures

1. Wii: 4,618,479, as of January 1, 2008
2. PlayStation 3: 1,673,063, as of January 1, 2008
3. Xbox 360: 548,308, as of January 1, 2008




RE: The REAL numbers don't lie.
By ViperROhb34 on 2/16/2008 9:25:22 PM , Rating: 2
Good Info, many of us know, but many fanboys ignore.

If you look at the big picture - and really do the math - crunch some numbers people will see Sony will have a hard time catching up - which means developer support for all platforms will remain more even then ever.

If PS3 were to outsell 360 by 1 million consoles a year ( thats near 90,00 more PS3 a month sold then 360's ) starting today.. they'd need almost 7 yrs to break even !!

You think Wii and MS will have new consoles much better within 4 yrs ? Yep..

And now that the format war is tipped to Blurays favor .. We may be looking at an Xbox 360 Blu Ray attachment in the works !


The best console
By leper on 2/15/2008 11:34:56 AM , Rating: 2
It makes me laugh when I see people on here saying 'I own all systems, so I can say for sure the best one is...'. Everybody has different tastes in games, different budgets and want different things from a system - just because you have a preference for one it doesn't mean its 'the best'.




Advantages
By Yongsta on 2/15/2008 11:56:13 AM , Rating: 2
I own all three systems, each has it's own advantages. The PS3 with blu-ray, wireless built in, and distributed computing (folding) capabilities. The Xbox360 in it's library of games & online play (Although I had two RRoD, I went through the process and everything went fine. Only Problem I had was the 10 day process or so it took to receive the prepaid shipping box, shipping it to them, and having it returned). The Wii in it's unique way of playing games, wireless built in, a great party machine. Now if PS3 can get a good library of games (Metal Gear & such) and improve their online play then they will have the superior console, but for now they all have their own advantages.




By TerranMagistrate on 2/15/2008 12:17:46 PM , Rating: 2
Well according to the numbers we have available: the PS3 is now outselling the 360 in Asia(Japan, S.Korea), Europe and now even North America.

Wow, I simply did not anticipate this be start happening so soon. The PS3 doesn't even have a fraction of its slated killer-app exclusives out yet. I mean MGS4, Killzone 2, LBP, FFXIII still have yet to be released.

Where is this onslaught coming from?! This is preposterous!!!!!




By Belard on 2/16/2008 10:06:58 AM , Rating: 2
I'm thinking that now that the format war is over... that the PlayStation3 will gain more value as the next gen media player.

MS had just recently did a price drop of $180 > $130 for the HD-DVD add-on, which is still too high considering yesterdays costs of a full-blown player for the same price.

With HD-DVD being dead now, such players are worth well under $100.

But now... what will MS do? We know the HD-DVD Addon will be discontinued. Its useless now... for the most part.

And if/when they come out with a Blu-Ray Add-on, it may costs $150~200.

I forgot where someone said WHY blu-ray/HD-DVD camps were not wanting to work things out. The console was a reason. Blu wanted JAVA. MS is against the PS2/PS3. To have a Blu-Ray player in their console = support of Java and of couse SONY hardware. SONY would be doing the same thing going with HD-DVD. With that in mind, the XBOX360 uses the same software for its console as does HD-DVD media. So a blu-ray add-on will require a bit more work.

Will there be a BR-version of the Xbox360... who knows. But the next xbox will be using blu-ray as a standard.

The $400 PS3 is looking more like a better deal. ITs $150 more than the Wii. You can actually buy a PS3. The PS3 is $50 more then the Xbox360. But that includes Wireless networking support, blue-ray player and a much bigger HD.

Its going to be interesting to watch PS3 sales now... to see if their numbers jump higher and faster as people buy these as the NEXT standard HiDef media player.




360 versus Ps3
By ViperROhb34 on 2/17/2008 8:47:46 PM , Rating: 2
An informative article "One year later" - unbiased article - comparing CPU, GPU, System Memory and good games on both systems. It admits the superiority of the cell processor, but dispels the myth that PS3's GPU is also more powerful then 360's .. I think this explains why some similar games appear more laggy on PS3.. and why DMC4 also needs to be installed on Sony hardrive to run smooth enough to be playable.

http://www.hardcoreware.net/playstation-3-vs-xbox-...




So What
By glennpratt on 2/15/08, Rating: 0
Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By IntelGirl on 2/15/08, Rating: -1
By Zoomer on 2/15/2008 9:45:40 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why buy a console when most of its games can be played on the PC or PS3


That is one reason why I'll never get a 360.

The other is because the games don't fit me. Games for the PS systems are a better fit of what I play on consoles.


By Hiawa23 on 2/15/2008 9:51:55 AM , Rating: 2
Come on, I own both consoles, & MS clearly stated that after the holiday rush they had very little hardware available for retail, & if you went to many stores, especially in the states, or atleast here in Central Florida, you couldn't find 360s on shelves, but it's interesting to see how Sony fans will look at this as some sort of victory. I am no fan of either, I just play the games, & pull for no one.


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By jskirwin on 2/15/2008 9:54:29 AM , Rating: 2
Sony gambled big on including the Blu-ray player with the PS3 - and won. Now that it has won the format wars, the PS3 makes sense economically for those who want HD movies and an HD gaming experience. But it was a BIG gamble.

And I'd still like to see better games for it, but I suppose they'll come along in time.


By Bioniccrackmonk on 2/15/2008 10:05:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sony gambled big on including the Blu-ray player with the PS3 - and won. Now that it has won the format wars, the PS3 makes sense economically for those who want HD movies and an HD gaming experience. But it was a BIG gamble.


I said this awhile ago and it absolutely true.


By tallcool1 on 2/15/2008 2:45:37 PM , Rating: 3
I still prefer playing games on a PC.
However, looking at the console situations, the way I see it:

Wii = Entry level, doesn't cost much. Cheap makes for easier and more sales. "Family friendly" angle.

360 = First next generation out the door, allows it to capitalize on market position. Good software library, easier to develop for.

PS3 = Took gamble by waiting for Blu-Ray to mature for mass production and sacrificing getting their console out later.
Blu-Ray won the format war, which now allows for a late push for sales. User upgradable Hard Drive, BIG bonus for openess to consumers at the sacrifice of potential profit for proprietary hard drives (like 360).


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By Mitch101 on 2/15/2008 9:54:43 AM , Rating: 2
I would love to get a 360 but sadly enough I too have the fear of RROD. I am aware the newer gen is not having this issue like earlier generations did. The problem is all my components are in a closet with poor ventilation. The closet area can get quite warm so a 360 would be toast in there. If they made the 360 enclosure a bit larger and with better cooling I would be game. Instead I have put a PC no overclocks in there instead. I am missing out on a few games I would love to play but oh well there is next gen.

As for PS3 sales outselling the 360 we know its not because of the games I would think its because people know that BLU-RAY has the support from the movie studios so its a pretty safe bet now. With the sales of the PS3 even for just BLU-RAY now the game developers will start to take the PS3 seriously because of an increased base.

If this continues I would expect Microsoft to announce a BLU-RAY player for the 360 sooner than later even if it takes them several months to negotiate a price on players.


By Connoisseur on 2/15/2008 10:00:16 AM , Rating: 2
I have my Xbox360 elite ON 24/7 and no such issue. Obviously, that's not a great statistical sample, but I'm pretty sure MS addressed the RROD issue with the latest heatsink revision.


By NullSubroutine on 2/15/2008 10:20:40 AM , Rating: 2
It was more than JUST the heatsink that caused the issue. Lack of proper cooling just compounded and exacerbated the issue.


By mmntech on 2/15/2008 10:34:47 AM , Rating: 2
The only thing really wrong with the 360 is that it has inadequate cooling for its two processors. It seems that Microsoft's engineers were the only people that didn't know the PowerPC and R500 series run very hot. They should have cracked open a dual CPU PowerMac G5 first. I think the 65nm die shrinks will probably fix a lot of the issues. However, he original issues though could have been solved with changing the case design to accommodate bigger coolers.

For the PS3, I was highly critical of the inclusion of the BD drive when it first came out though it seems to have paid off big time. As an HD player, even is Blu-ray looses the format war, people aren't going to be stuck with an obsolete player. It is probably the best BD capable HTPC you can buy off the shelf right now at its price point. I think we're going to see a decline in 360 sales simply because the market is getting saturated. The figurers aren't surprising.
Another thing worth noting is that the quality of the PS3's software selection has vastly improved over the the last four or five months.


By Connoisseur on 2/15/2008 9:58:25 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
You have to buy so much add ons on for 360 just to make it as capable as the PS3.


Umm... so much add-ons? The one advantage I see the PS3 having is a built in hi-def drive. Granted it's bluray but the only add-on to buy for xbox to match it is the hd-dvd drive. Graphics/performance-wise I don't see much difference between the consoles.

quote:
Why buy a console when most of its games can be played on the PC or PS3


Most of the games you mentioned (GoW, Halo 3, Mass Effect) are Microsoft exclusives. Sure they get ported to the PC but i'm willing to be that the actual sales figures for the PC versions are relatively small compared to the console version. Most people just don't have the hardware to play these games well. Besides, most would rather play on a big screen in the living room than on a small computer monitor.

Finally, I don't see too many PS3 exclusives coming down the pipeline. A lot of the traditional Sony powerhouses (MGS for ex) are in development for both consoles.

In my opinion, Sony might eventually be on an even keel with MS (as far as overall console sales) in the near future thanks to Bluray, but won't eclipse MS by a long shot.


By pomaikai on 2/15/2008 11:35:46 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
oh and my hi powered pc is quiter then the 360


Not to mention much more expensive. So lets spend more for a PC to play games that we can play on a much cheaper 360. Makes alot of sense. Alot of people see this and are moving to consoles from PC gaming. I saw a comment somewhere saying that the person spent about $500 a year upgrading there PC to play the newest games. I spent $400 when 360 first came out and havnt had to upgrade any hardware since.

quote:
Stay in your diluted world but games like:

Final Fantasy,
Gran Turimo
Metal Gear Solid
Little Big plant
Etc, are staying on the ps3, and will more likey ONLY play on the ps3.


You notice the big games that MS has are already out while the big games for PS3 are still being developed. By the time the above games come out MS will have a whole new list of must have games.

quote:
What other exclusives does MS have that are big console sellers?


What exclusives does PS3 currently have for sale that are console sellers?


By Blight AC on 2/15/2008 10:27:14 AM , Rating: 2
The Sony PS3 also comes with a built-in Wireless Network Adapter too.

People buy console games because they get a set experience with the games. There's no underpowered hardware, driver issues etc. You put the game in, maybe download an update, and go on your way. Some people prefer the simplicity of it.. that and as Connoisseur mentioned, big screen gaming.


By TerranMagistrate on 2/15/2008 12:07:11 PM , Rating: 1
Finally, I don't see too many PS3 exclusives coming down the pipeline. A lot of the traditional Sony powerhouses (MGS for ex) are in development for both consoles.

Ahhh, no.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is being developed EXCLUSIVELY for the PS3. The Xbox 360 simply does not have the specs to handle this killer-app (Blu-Ray namely).


By pomaikai on 2/15/2008 10:15:30 AM , Rating: 2
To your comment about 360 games ported over to PC. If you keep up on the news you would realize that PC gaming is suffering because of consoles. Why spend $1000+ on a gaming rig when you could play the same games on 360 for much cheaper.

The problem with PC gaming is that developers dont need to tweak there code as much because people are always getting faster hardware. This forces you to upgrade to play the latest games at a good quality. Where as developers really need to fine tune there code for consoles since the hardware is static.


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By omnicronx on 2/15/2008 10:33:40 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
An example of this is a game that just came out, Lost Odessey. That game packs a whopping 4 discs for the Xbox360. Had it been on the PS3, Blu Ray would of allowed it to come on only one disc. Multiplie disc is a thing of last gen.

How does this make the ps3 anymore capable than the 360? I think you need a dictionary, as your example is terrible. If they both play the same game, regardless of how many discs the game is on, they are both still 'capable' of playing the same game.

quote:
Another reason people are forgoing the Xbox360 in favor of the PS3 is because most if not the majority of its good games are being ported over to other platforms.

Why on earth do you think this happened? The PS3 dev kit is terrible, its a well known fact that developers the Xbox360 development kit much better. What also did not help is there were many more 360's out on the market.Also the 4x AA filter on the 360 that runs over top any game makes any 360 game look better, unless the programmer specifically programmed the AA into the code for the PS3. Put in games like NBA 08 and Madden 08 for PS3 and although they are ports, look how jagged all of the edges are, you can tell they were not performing any AA.

PS. i have a PS3, and the only advantage it has over my 360 is that it plays BD movies(the reason i bought it), thats about it.


By Hiawa23 on 2/15/2008 10:42:43 AM , Rating: 2
How does this make the ps3 anymore capable than the 360? I think you need a dictionary, as your example is terrible. If they both play the same game, regardless of how many discs the game is on, they are both still 'capable' of playing the same game.

I agree 100%. I also agree, the PS3's biggest advantage is Blu Ray, & the one other thing is the Cell processor does add some to, but there is surely not as big of difference between the 360 & PS3 as there was with the Xbox & PS2. I buy all multiplatform games on the 360, & only really bought the PS3 for the exclusives, which I like, but to say the 360 is less capable is ridiculous or coming from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By boogle on 2/15/2008 11:41:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also the 4x AA filter on the 360 that runs over top any game makes any 360 game look better, unless the programmer specifically programmed the AA into the code for the PS3. Put in games like NBA 08 and Madden 08 for PS3 and although they are ports, look how jagged all of the edges are, you can tell they were not performing any AA.


Both consoles support hardware AA (and more than 4x AA for that matter). MS have a mandate that a minimum of 2x AA is always applied to all games, Sony have no AA mandate. This is why X360 have a tendency to have fewer jaggies.

The X360's GPU is significantly more powerful than the PS3's however, so AA will be one of the first things to go with any X360 > PS3 port. Conversely a PS3 > 360 port will probably gain AA as one of it's first enhancements. I find it interesting that many people insist that the PS3 is more powerful - only the CPU is, the GPU is a generation behind.

I have both and personally prefer the PS3 because its quiet and has free online multiplayer. However, the X360 imho is the superior gaming machine by far.


By npoe1 on 2/15/2008 12:18:17 PM , Rating: 1
I have the PS3, Xbox 360, Wii and also a gaming Rig. The only thing that I play on PS3 is FFVII, besides that the PS3 in only collecting dust (very good at that). So far the PS3 doesn’t have anything besides what is already on PS (FFVII, Xenogears, Vagrant) and PS2 (Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest), but nothing interesting on PS3 for me until Kingdom Hearts or Dragon Quest.

I have never been able to understand why multiple discs are a disadvantage, I lend disc one to a friend as soon as I start disc 2 and he does the same.

By the way I'm an old school RPG fan.


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By skrill on 2/15/2008 10:37:58 AM , Rating: 3
Normally I find most of the comments under the great stories to be unworthy of a response -- but I just have to here.

Let me note first that you are nothing but a fanboi that knows nothing of value. I have all three consoles (as well as an Xbox old school, Dreamcast, PS2 and a great PC gaming rig) and the 360 gets (by far) the most gaming use. I don't even own a single PS3 game -- the system is used only as a media and Blu Ray player (and it does a great job with those functions). And the Wii is just for parties and get togethers. I played one real game on it (RE4 Wii Ed.) and it was great, but I do not see a lot of compelling titles for me on the system.

quote:
Most if not all of the Xbox360 consoles are known to get the RODD and everyone knows this.


This is just a stupid statement. I have an early build 360, and it is still going strong despite hours and hours of GoW, COD4, Bioshock, Halo (1-3), many other games, DVDs and HD-DVDs. Not even most get RROD. That said -- early consoles have an alarming failure rate -- but the current ones have much lower failure rates and MS has recognized the issue and offered full warranty coverage.

quote:
The other thing is that to most, the Xbox360 is just not as capable as the PS3. You have to buy so much add ons on for 360 just to make it as capable as the PS3.


As a game system it is just as capable - full stop. And it is cheaper than the PS3. Whatever extra abilities as a gaming system the PS3 has have not yet been realized as the 360 games look just as good (if not better). And it has waaaayyyy better online support with Xbox Live. Ask anyone that has played COD4 on Xbox Live versus PSN (I have -- the PS3 version sucks online).

quote:
An example of this is a game that just came out, Lost Odessey. That game packs a whopping 4 discs for the Xbox360. Had it been on the PS3, Blu Ray would of allowed it to come on only one disc. Multiplie disc is a thing of last gen.


There is your problem -- PS3 doesn't get Lost Odyssey (or Mass Effect, or GOW, or Bioshock, or Halo 3). It is sorely lacking in quality AAA console exclusive titles. If you can't get up to change a disk -- then you are too fat and lazy to be playing console games anyway.

quote:
Another reason people are forgoing the Xbox360 in favor of the PS3 is because most if not the majority of its good games are being ported over to other platforms. Why buy a console when most of its games can be played on the PC or PS3. Gears of War went to PC. Then Mass Effect got announced for PC, soon Halo 3 is going to be on PC. Lost Planet is going to PS3 and well as Ace Combat 4. Why buy a console you know will break on you when you can get all it's best games on PC and PS3 with superior controls and graphics. And everyone knows those platforms are reliable.


This is a really dumb statement. Have you tried playing GoW, Mass Effect or Bioshock on a PC??? Yes -- I am sure the experience is great, but you probably need a system that causes brown outs on boot up to get to the level of detail a 360 can render. Hell, for the cost of the vid card alone on such a system you can purchase a 360. Besides -- I prefer gaming in my Man Cave on my 360 with my Pioneer Plasma, Yamaha AV receiver and full Klipsh 5.1 setup (oh -- and comfy couch).

Again -- I own all three consoles and can say with 100% certainty that the 360 is the best among them due to the controller, game selection, online play, versatility, etc. The PS3 is a fine device, but as a game system -- I see nothing compelling about it (at least until Metal Gear and some other good exclusive games comes out). With regard to cross-platform titles -- I will always go for the 360 version (especially if online play is a major component of the game).

I guess that is it fanboi -- you can go home now.


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By xti on 2/15/2008 10:44:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I guess that is it fanboi -- you can go home now.


dude why dont you just punch him in the face?!


By skrill on 2/15/2008 10:47:02 AM , Rating: 3
I would if I could. :-)


By Hiawa23 on 2/15/2008 10:54:08 AM , Rating: 2
Again -- I own all three consoles and can say with 100% certainty that the 360 is the best among them due to the controller, game selection, online play, versatility, etc. The PS3 is a fine device, but as a game system -- I see nothing compelling about it (at least until Metal Gear and some other good exclusive games comes out). With regard to cross-platform titles -- I will always go for the 360 version (especially if online play is a major component of the game).

I agree 100%


By Fusible on 2/15/2008 12:15:50 PM , Rating: 2
My 360 definitely gets used and abused more than my PS3. I have 33 BD movies and 2 games which are Resistance and Warhawk. I don't like anything else thats out there, I'm waiting for MGS4, GOW3, and FF XIII. Thats all I'm waiting for everything else I'll buy for the 360. Out of all my clan members(27) theres only 5 that have PS3's.


By Squilliam on 2/15/2008 7:31:19 PM , Rating: 2
Just a quickie. Look on newegg, the price of a 3850-512 is $155. That will give you a much better experience in bioshock. You also pay less for the game and have a superior interface.

Pay $220-250 and you can get an 8800gt.

If you have a recent computer with about 1-2gb ram (cheap) you're throwing money away if you get a console. It's only when you have an older computer that it makes financial sense to get a 360/PS3. Consider that new release games cost $10-20 less than the console versions. You can save yourself enough money to save $100-150 a year. Enough for a graphics card every 2+some extra stuff.

I have a 7900gtx PC, a 360 and a PS3. 360 gets as much use as the PC. Come next gen, r700/gwhatever I'll move my game pc into the lounge and play on my 53" 1080P Bravia. From then on, console games will pretty much look as dinky to me as Wii games to a sole 360 owner. But hey, graphics aren't everything. I hate 30 frames @ 720p (Or less!), I'd rather do 60 @ 1080p with 8xAA 16xAF + anything else I care to turn on. To each, their own.

To the people in this thread who are talking about console supremacy. How about you wait for another month to see if a trend develops. Otherwise you're setting yourself up to look stupid.


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By peter7921 on 2/15/2008 10:40:46 AM , Rating: 3
First of all I own all three consoles. I'm one of the people who bought a PS3 in January, not for gaming but for a Blueray player(although i wll play a few games on it :), I expect that is why PS3 had a spike in sales, that and the lack of 360's in some places.

Most 360's do not get RROD's, in fact it was mentioned here on Anandtech that is is around 30% and the newer ones are much better.

Not as capable??? Graphically they're about equal, the only addons are the HD drive and the wireless adapter, and neither prevent you from playing games on the console.

Lost oddyssey is a terrible example there are only a few 360 games, with multiple discs, and they are filled with cgi movies. Why didn't you mention Oblivion which is a much longer game but is only on one disc, or the thousands of other single disc games on the 360.

Your last argument is terrible and I can say the same thing for the PS3, I can play most good games on my PC and 360. Lets not forget 360 has a lot more exclusives than PS3 so far.

Controllers are subjective, in fact I like my 360 controller much more than my PS3 controller(which is to small for me and kills my hands).

So no the PS3 does not have superior control or graphics, in fact i can show you a few games with better framerates on the 360, and can't name a PS3 game with better graphics(even Uncharted).


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By Roffles on 2/15/2008 11:59:23 AM , Rating: 2
I find it laughable that someone would defend the 30% faulure rate for RROD as not being that high. Anything higher than ~5% should be considered FAULTY.

In addition, the 360 Platinum becomes considerably more expensive than a PS3 when you add the wireless adapter and hd-dvd drive to make them equal. It's only $50 cheaper right now as it is and it doesn't come with a free game. Then there is the $10/month Xbox live subscription that could run you $120 a year. Factor in the 30% threat of RROD, complaints of noise/heat/ventilation and scratched discs from faulty DVD drives and you have a system that clearly of poorer quality and value over the other. I guess if you are a hardcore gamer who needs a new title every 3 or 4 weeks, then the xbox is your only choice. But for the casual gamer who plays a new title every 2 or 3 months and wants to double his console as a media powerhouse with its wireless networking and blu-ray, their is no substitute for the PS3.

I have no doubt I made the right choice and I can't wait to get Gran Turismo, MGS, GTA and Resistance. Long live the PS3!


By Don161 on 2/15/2008 12:50:46 PM , Rating: 2
I absolutely agree.

I own an Xbox360 and a PS3.
I'm currently on my 3rd Xbox360 due to the RROD; I personally don't know anyone with an Xbox over 12 months old.

The PS3 has a superior build quality and is much quieter and
You can upgrade the drive to 250gb for £60.

I can’t see the 360 overtaking the PS3 in future worldwide sales charts.
Microsoft rush released a faulty console without HD drive to get a year’s head start on Sony


By robertgu2k on 2/15/2008 1:30:39 PM , Rating: 2
$120 for Xbox Live subscription?!? Its amazing how people like to spread lies with a straight face.

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Live-Month-Gold-Card/dp...

As you can see 12 months only costs $44 dollars which translates to $3.66 a month. If you've used Xbox Live you would agree that its costs is a bargain for such a great service. I've multiplayered on PC, Xbox, and PS3 and by far the experience is sooo much better on Xbox Live its not even close.

I brought the Xbox 6 months after it came out so I have one of these 30% RROD boxes...I've not had any trouble with it so far and my family and I play games on it constantly, I use it as a media extender, I rent HD-DVD movies, and I download HD movies from Xbox Live. Now I haven't had any problems but with this old generation Xbox but I know many have. And I agree anything over 5% to 10% depending on the product is entirely unacceptable. And it was a serious oversight for Microsoft to allow that to happen.

But I also remember my early PS2s and those CD lasers would never last. I went through 3 PS2s because of that faulty design. So Sony is not blameless, but with that in mind I give them props for the quality of the PS3 so far.

Now one thing I disagree with the Xbox FUD spreaders is them throwing out the supposingly 30% defect rate as if it is still an on-going event. Since the heat-sink change almost a year ago and the recent 65nm shrink (HDMI models) RRODs due to heat related issues is a thing of the past. I frequent many forums for all kinds of tech sites, and for the new Xbox's the overwhelming majority of RRODs are due to user issues like not pluging in the power connector or the video connector in enough and is easily correctable. RRODs due to actual HW failure in the new Xbox's is very rare...so far.

Disclaimer:
I also brought the PS3 shorty after the price drop and brought a few Blu-Ray movies, but all it did was collect dust in my media shelf and I never liked their online system, I ended up giving it to my nephew. The PS3 did not have enough to make me want to use it.


By peter7921 on 2/15/2008 11:23:00 PM , Rating: 2
First of all I'am not defending, the 30% failure rate, I think its terrible I'm just refuting that all launch 360's get RROD's. At least Microsoft agnowledged the problem, and offered a three year warranty and mostly fixed the issue.

Also a lot of people seem to forget the PS2's abysmal failure rate, and Sony did nothing for those owners

BTW I have a launch 360 that runs perfectly, never has had a problem. The RROD is an overblown issue.

Again you do not need the wireless adapter or the HD-DVD player to play games? I own neither, I bought a PS3 for Movies.

Live as already reported is not $10 a month, i love how you like to lie about that.

My 360 has never scratched a disc, although it is loud when playing games, but very quiet when doing anything else.

I made the right choice by having all three consoles, have fun waiting for good games on the PS3, while I play Gears of War, Halo 3, Forza 2, Bioshock, Super Mario galaxy etc.. etc...

PS A great game you can get on the PS3 right now is Call of Duty 4, I have it on the 360 it is great, some of the best Multiplayer FPS in a long time.


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By xti on 2/15/2008 10:42:33 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Most if not all of the Xbox360 consoles are known to get the RODD and everyone knows this.


lolall...


By Gyres01 on 2/15/2008 11:39:51 AM , Rating: 2
Mine is bigger, NO mine is bigger........who cares anymore just buy the one that you see yourself having great fun and entertainment..........


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By FITCamaro on 2/15/2008 11:59:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Most if not all of the Xbox360 consoles are known to get the RODD and everyone knows this.


This is pure FUD.


By TerranMagistrate on 2/15/2008 12:53:50 PM , Rating: 3
Sony is a monoply just as bad as Microsoft, and in most cases much much much worse. I support America where most of you fan boys live!!!. You wonder why everything good leaves Amercia because you fan boys can't appreciate much.

WOW, you have got be pretty damn hateful of Sony or just outright stupid to make a laughable claim like that. Perhaps a bit of both?

The XBOX360 will outsell the PS3 because it is just better.

The PS3 is now outselling the XBox 360 in all major regions, yes even North America now. That's the reality.

I support America where most of you fan boys live!!!

No, my friend. You support The Peoples Republic of China because that is where the XBox 360 is manufactured. Or did you think it was made here in the U.S. of A? No way. Microsoft being a U.S. company is a moot point, they'll just line their pockets with the gold and continue to outsource as always.


RE: Consumers finally realize PS3 is more capable
By Belard on 2/16/2008 9:46:15 AM , Rating: 2
Hmmm... how did SONY take away our ingenuity? Hey. I have a patent, I went to some companies in the USA... nothing.

Microsoft actually damaged the computer/electronics industry with its dominace. Afterall, why should someone develop something for a WindowsPC if the customer uses only Microsoft software, no matter how buggy it is?

MS Windows, MS Office, MS Explorer, MS Antivirus/firewall, etc. M$ is so hung up on their name, that their office suite icons say "Microsoft Office 2003 Word" which is a lot of text. And on the desktop, what you see is:
"Microsoft
Pffice 20.."

Looks like crap. Oh well. You buy a lot of stuff not made in the USA. Dvd player, not USA. VCR = not USA. Your PC including the HD, CPU, motherboard, monitors, keyboard etc = not not made and usually not design in the USA. The Core2Duo CPUs = not in the USA.


By wolfpack1825 on 2/19/2008 1:29:53 PM , Rating: 1
You have no clue what you are talking about. Would you feel the same way if Sony or SUN was the dominant player? Business selected Microsoft over the competition because it was easy and far ahead of anything else out there. I worked for IBM and OS/2 development. IBM only lost the battle because the consumer chose what was easy for them. A company will adopt a complete porfolio of products. Not Linux, not apple get my point!!! Can't believe I am even replying to this. But people need to wake up.


By ViperROhb34 on 2/16/2008 9:34:24 PM , Rating: 1
Do some math..

PS3 outsells Xbox 360 by 1 million a year (about 90K more consoles a month then 360 is selling on any given month )

PS3 still needs nearly 7 years to break even with 360's sold..

You really think MS wont much better console out within 3 or 4 yrs ? They'll just be that much further ahead of the cycle.. I think it'll force Sony to abandon the 10 yr plan for PS3.. especially now that the format war is tipping to Bluray and Bluray prices are dropping.. You'll see other consoles with Bluray.. MS already spoke about liscencing so they could have a bluray attachable player.

I think it'll be close all the way for all consoles.. Right now most PS3's being sold are being used as Bluray players.. while 360's are the gaming platform of choice.

The numbers dont lie.. 360 has had a strong attachment rate since launch and they are avg above 7 games a console compared to PS3 which is lowest games per console..


By carbon12 on 2/18/2008 9:39:39 PM , Rating: 2
I think both machines are very capable gaming machines. I chose to go the ps3 route. My 60g ps3 and my recently built gaming pc gives me access to a huge library of games. All my old ps1 and ps2 games, the few good and the better looking future ps3 games and the pc games, some of which also happen to be 360 games. Sure there are a few 360 exclusives I was interested in, but as a whole and sticking to my particular gaming budget, this combination gives me the best selection of games I am particularly into with the added bonus of having a great hd video player. I guess it helps that I am a big GT, FF, MGS and general fps fan, but my point is that I had particular wants and needs that I was able to get in a certain combination of available consoles and pc hardware/software. I don't think it's about any console outselling or being better than the other, but as a consumer, I think we should just be happy we have a choice to pick whatever best suites are needs and budgets.


Heh
By billybob24 on 2/16/08, Rating: -1
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