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Resistance: Fall of Man ripped to 17.53 GB
Be prepared for some of the biggest ISOs ever

The console hacking types have taken it to the PlayStation 3 and have successfully created disc image files of games. By using an install of Linux on the console, games such as Madden 07, Resistance and Genji have all been ISO dumped and released on the Internet. Being images from Blu-ray media means that we’re dealing with current file sizes between Madden’s 7.08 GB and Resistance’s 17.53 GB.

Sony said prior to the PS3 launch that Resistance would use nearly the entire 25 GB space afforded by a single-layer Blu-ray disc. Developer Insomniac said, however, that the final size of the gold master was around 16 GB. Ted Price of Insomniac writes: "As we moved into the final week of finishing up the game we made two big changes which dropped the size of the final disc to just over 16Gb – still pretty large nonetheless. What were the changes? We removed PAL movies and further improved our data compression."

There’s still a small discrepancy between the developer’s quote and the size of the image dump. The difference is due to padding files, which contains no data but is there to aid in load times. According to Mmmkay of Beyond3D forums, the file type breakdown for Resistance sees padding making up 1.9 GB, FMV 7 GB, audio 2.24 GB and game data 6.12 GB.

The console hacking community may still be a long way from cracking the PlayStation 3, but the investigation into game files is the same way that the PSP homebrew effort began.

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Blu Ray burner
By WarlordBB on 11/27/06, Rating: 0
RE: Blu Ray burner
By MrSmurf on 11/27/2006 4:26:58 PM , Rating: 4
You don't have a Blu-Ray burner because no one is dumb enough to pay $750 for one. And if you had $750 available to blow, you wouldn't need to copy your friend's discs.


RE: Blu Ray burner
By edge929 on 11/27/2006 4:57:25 PM , Rating: 2
LMAO

/agree


RE: Blu Ray burner
By ScythedBlade on 11/27/2006 5:06:55 PM , Rating: 3
Of course, unless your Popular Mechanics, who's giving away a desktop with BluRay


RE: Blu Ray burner
By WarlordBB on 11/27/06, Rating: -1
RE: Blu Ray burner
By Aikouka on 11/27/2006 5:22:10 PM , Rating: 1
You should try it anyway. I'd like to see if burned discs work since I remember Sony shipping burnt Blu-Ray discs to reviewers near release. So maybe the PS3 can read those now? :D That'd help to make up the worth of the console for some of the less... umm... how can I put this nicely... "legitimate users" :P.


RE: Blu Ray burner
By UserDoesNotExist on 11/27/06, Rating: 0
RE: Blu Ray burner
By WarlordBB on 11/27/06, Rating: 0
RE: Blu Ray burner
By CascadingDarkness on 11/28/2006 3:15:21 PM , Rating: 3
If you didn't care why would you waste time posting 5 times in the same thread and defend your arguements?

In my opinion I don't mind that sony is trying to promote their new blue-ray by putting it in PS3. I do however think they completely killed support for both by problems with manufacturing and not coming up with numbers to get the ball rolling.


RE: Blu Ray burner
By Gigahertz19 on 11/27/2006 6:04:01 PM , Rating: 1
Nice, what do you do for a job? lol, that's some expensive stuff. Why did you buy a Blue-ray drive when the Sony PS3 is cheaper and comes with one?

You should post a pic of your watercooled 8800GTX SLI system that way I have something to worship :)


RE: Blu Ray burner
By WarlordBB on 11/28/06, Rating: -1
RE: Blu Ray burner
By DingieM on 11/28/2006 2:36:28 AM , Rating: 4
Do you have a social life?


RE: Blu Ray burner
By xsilver on 11/29/2006 9:48:37 AM , Rating: 2
who needs one when you have sony to keep you warm at night ;)


RE: Blu Ray burner
By Webgod on 11/28/2006 11:03:25 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, props to the early adopters, man. They're the people who give all the rest of us the news.


RE: Blu Ray burner
By Randum on 11/27/06, Rating: 0
RE: Blu Ray burner
By WarlordBB on 11/27/06, Rating: -1
RE: Blu Ray burner
By xstylus on 11/28/2006 1:08:26 AM , Rating: 3
I'll gladly pay $750 just to copy a $59 disc. Why? Principle.


7GB of FMV..
By VIAN on 11/27/2006 5:45:28 PM , Rating: 4
Damn, that's almost as much as the game data itself. I think in this day and age we don't need FMVs. Real-time graphics look good enough. It was OK back in the PSX days, but no longer. Especially as an excuse for the need of Blue-Ray.




RE: 7GB of FMV..
By GI2K on 11/27/2006 8:30:15 PM , Rating: 3
I'm yet to see real time graphics (using the game engine) that look as good as the over 10 years old FMV of Starcraft.

FMV are still the only way to give more deepness to a game... also this does not apply to consoles but with PC games the real time graphics will look dull if they are played in a low end PC that cant handle all the effects whereas FMV will look great regardless of the PC you have.


RE: 7GB of FMV..
By DingieM on 11/28/2006 2:44:54 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree with your point.
It makes perfect sense to me to use the in-game graphics engine to use cutscenes so you only have to store the animation sequences.
Gears does this but they didn't implement it all too well because of the bit of choppiness. Though it is possible due to the beautiful U3.0 engine and the Xbox360's top-notch GPU beast.
I think we will see more and more of in-game cutscenes in the future.


RE: 7GB of FMV..
By chaos386 on 11/28/2006 4:03:31 AM , Rating: 4
If the cutscene takes place in a completely different location from the current level (or if you're watching the cutscene a second time), it's much quicker to just stream the relevant FMV than it is to fully load all the textures, level data, sound, etc. that would be present if the cutscene was rendered in the game's engine (plus you'd have to RE-load the game data for the current level again after the cutscene was over).


Ah I see it now.
By InternetGeek on 11/27/2006 3:41:27 PM , Rating: 1
So Sony will shut down Software Piracy by making really big games...





RE: Ah I see it now.
By kristof007 on 11/27/2006 3:45:41 PM , Rating: 2
I think people are going to have their hard drives, download the games they want to play and swap their hard drives in. When they get bored or they get a new ISO, they will get their drive, connect to the PC, delete/add ISOs, plug it back into the PS3 and off they go.

While the freedom with the ps3 and 2.5" hard drive storage is nice, I think it just gave hackers and easier way to have games run from there.


RE: Ah I see it now.
By h0kiez on 11/27/2006 3:52:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yup. And a simple pin-mod makes 3.5" drives possible. I think 500-750GB would hold a "couple" of games. Even 50 GB games aren't going to be too big to keep modders from dropping on a HD.


RE: Ah I see it now.
By Goty on 11/27/2006 3:53:09 PM , Rating: 2
There's no need to swap the HDD out to a PC. Just use the available linux distro and have at it.


RE: Ah I see it now.
By copiedright on 11/27/2006 4:10:55 PM , Rating: 2
Even more importantly.... I have seen 120GB notebook drives for $100(aussie) on special. Which is comparable to the cost of a single game. While 120GB could easily fit 5-6 games.


RE: Ah I see it now.
By cochy on 11/27/2006 3:52:00 PM , Rating: 2
Not such a terrible strategy if you think about it. However, Blu-ray recorders and media are already readily available, though current still quite expensive. Also it is not very difficult to use a 3.5'' HDD with the PS3 using proper adpater cables.


Why bother having that much extra space?
By encryptkeeper on 11/27/2006 4:45:48 PM , Rating: 2
"We removed PAL movies and further improved our data compression."

Removing the movies makes sense, but why did they leave the compression as it was to preserve the quality of the game?


By the way Sony freaks, not ONE negative word from DailyTech about the PS3 in this article.




RE: Why bother having that much extra space?
By smitty3268 on 11/27/2006 4:55:28 PM , Rating: 3
When they say their data compression was improved, I assume they mean game data, which obviously isn't going to change the quality of the game one way or another as long as the Cell can decompress it in real time. If anything, it's likely to decrease the time spent reading data off the disk so it would improve the game.


By encryptkeeper on 11/27/2006 4:59:19 PM , Rating: 2
As soon as I posted I figured that was the reason. Thanks.


By DigitalFreak on 11/27/2006 6:43:13 PM , Rating: 4
No, they compressed the Blu-ray disc and made it thinner.


I don't get why you are bahing blu-ray in the PS3
By IMPoor on 11/27/2006 6:15:46 PM , Rating: 5
Sure sony could have used DVD9 and fit the games on them with less cuts scenes, audio, etc. but they didn't. So they used Blu-Ray which allows game creators to put in virtually unlimited amount of extras. To me as a gamer this is great. The more you want to give me the better. I know its not in actual gameplay but hit the start button if you don't want the extra stuff and skip through cut scenes. I for one think the storyline is a big part of certain games. So why bash them for using a format that allows for more space to let the game developers go nuts with.

By the way I am not a fanboy. I have a 360 and am very happy with it and don't plan on buying a PS3 for sometime if ever. The same goes for a blu-ray or HD-dvd player/recorder.




RE: I don't get why you are bahing blu-ray in the PS3
By ahkey on 11/28/2006 3:11:48 AM , Rating: 2
How about the fact that, were it not for the PS3's exorbitantly priced console and games, the 360 and likes its games too would've received a price-drop by now.

Everyone ends up paying more for Sony's new format.


By phatfish on 11/28/2006 4:59:49 AM , Rating: 3
So... you found a way to blame Sony for the price Microsoft charges for its rival console. Well done!

On another note, i also think that the choice Blu-Ray gives is good for gamers. Anything that enables devlopers to provide extra content is worthwhile.

Just wait, i guarantee there will be "Special Edition" HD-DVD games on the 360 with the same content as the PS3 ones.


Sony motivations
By oTAL (blog) on 11/27/2006 3:54:01 PM , Rating: 2
Does that mean that without the padding one would be pretty close to fitting the entire game on a HD-DVD?
Sony is trying to find a reason to give consumers for the inclusion of a BD drive, but it doesn't look easy to find one (other than the obvios push for a proprietary technology).
I know that as time goes by and storage needs grow that may change, but for the *now* consumer the premium for the BD drive is still WAY too much to be worth it, even when it is included in a console.




RE: Sony motivations
By MrSmurf on 11/27/2006 4:35:13 PM , Rating: 2
HD vs. Blu-Ray has nothing to do with consoles other than both camps using their consoles to establish some kind of install base. It's the battle for the next-gen movie format, not gaming. Sony's advantage in size compared to HD-DVDs applies to movies not games where they would be comparing it to a DVD-9 disc.


RE: Sony motivations
By Furen on 11/27/2006 5:47:50 PM , Rating: 3
Sony is saying that it went for Blu-Ray because it needed more storage capacity than what regular DVDs could offer. That said, I find 7GBs of FMV quite excessive and without that (and the padding, of course) you could fit this game in a single DVD. Of course, considering that I've heard that Bluedragon for Xbox 360 WILL use more than 1 DVD (3-4, I believe) Sony's stance may have some merit (I could almost bet that Mistwalker threw a lot of FMV into that game, though).


Hello All
By ViperROhb34 on 11/28/2006 3:57:37 AM , Rating: 2
I was reading how the linix people have seen the code of Resistance Fall OF man.. the game itself must not be that big.. it has all regions on one Disc.. and each region has 450 MB of "Padding" ( Junk Data ) to push the data that is actually the game closer to the outside where it can be read faster so the game doesnt appear to load as slow..

I know much of what SOny has said about 'needing the space for games' is just tp make it look like they arent such a bad company pushing their movie format.. and while its sort of good they can put all the regions on one disc.. I can't help but feel they are also fooling alot of people out there who think the game really does use 17Ggigs.. If you take one region and subtract the half Gig.. the game is much smaller.. Just look at Gears of War.. way better looking and uses less then 7 gigs.. out of the 9.5 Gigs available.. and then theres Oblivion.. about 6 Gigs..

Theres talk that BLue Dragon on 360 will use 3 DVD's because of all the cinema crap.. but we'll see when it comes out..

Cheers..




RE: Hello All
RE: Hello All
2.24GB of audio?
By saratoga on 11/27/2006 5:59:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
audio 2.24 GB


At 64kbps (what a lot of PS2 games used for audio) thats 81 hours of continuous audio. No way the game uses that much. Are they using .WAV or something?




RE: 2.24GB of audio?
By DigitalFreak on 11/27/2006 6:45:13 PM , Rating: 2
Well, it's probably all DD AC3 encoded. You're looking at at least 384kbps, IIRC.


Sony should burn in Hell
By Mezo on 11/27/06, Rating: -1
RE: Sony should burn in Hell
By TheBaker on 11/27/06, Rating: -1
RE: Sony should burn in Hell
By Xavian on 11/27/06, Rating: 0
RE: Sony should burn in Hell
By Xeronix on 11/27/2006 4:21:04 PM , Rating: 4
So was 4GB games at the time.
Why don't we just stick with 700mb games forever.


RE: Sony should burn in Hell
By DigitalFreak on 11/27/2006 6:42:23 PM , Rating: 4
Every game should fit on 10 floppys!


RE: Sony should burn in Hell
By kmmatney on 11/27/06, Rating: 0
RE: Sony should burn in Hell
By Xajel on 11/27/2006 10:10:30 PM , Rating: 3
this is just for now, but after 5 to 10 years this will be small,,,

why we didn't say the same when PS2 arrives with its DVD ?? 4.7 and 8.5 Giga's if data is much more than what we used to know about PS CD's which are less than 600MB always !!

when holographic media or whatever thing will be as the future of BD-DVD and HD-DVD, we will say the same thing, Sheesh Kabaaaab 75GB for just a Game ??


RE: Sony should burn in Hell
By Mezo on 11/28/2006 4:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
am talkin about the technology prices when a BD burner costs 900 $ and an empty BD costs 25$ and making a game up to 20 GB which is full of worthless crap thats what i call B.S but if u've got the money for it then B.S rules !!!


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