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Oracle grabbed Java in Sun purchase

Google is a huge technology firm that is slipping its hand into any cookie jar it thinks may hold a profit. The company already rules the internet search and advertising market and is on track to rule the smartphone OS market as well.

Part of the success of Google's Android mobile operating system, which is growing faster than any other smartphone OS, is its open source nature. As a result, the software is offered for free to phone makers. 
Reuters reports that Oracle has sued Google over the Android operating system. The suit centers on alleged patent infringement by Google.

Oracle claims that Google infringed on patents and copyrights it holds relating to Java. Oracle purchased the rights to Java when it gobbled up Sun Microsystems for $5.6 billion in 2009. The suit was filed in federal court in California yesterday and the main claim in the suit is that Google knowingly and directly infringed on Oracle patents and copyright.

Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, who earlier this week condemned HP's board for firing personal friend Mark Hurd,  says that Java is a key asset for Oracle and that the software is used in all manner of products.

IP litigator Edward Reines told Reuters, "Sun's corporate philosophy was obviously very different from Oracle's in terms of enforcing the Java patents."

San Jose Mercury News cites Al Hilwa from research firm IDC saying, "At the end of the day, it [the suit] could mean a fair amount of money."  Hilwa points out that it is likely that Oracle and Google have been negotiating for months on licensing terms and the suit is a tactic by Oracle to press the issue.

Hilwa continued saying, "Java is essential for Android. Since Android has been out there for more than a year, most people would have expected they were in compliance with whatever license terms apply."



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Stupid
By asuffield on 8/13/2010 9:59:59 AM , Rating: 5
Oracle can't win this one. If they are aggressively defending patents on people implementing Java, then there is going to be a very sharp backlash against Java use. Most device makers have gone to Java as an open system that won't lock them in; if that changes, people are not going to want to work with it any more.




RE: Stupid
By Spivonious on 8/13/2010 10:09:06 AM , Rating: 3
I agree. I thought the whole point of Java was that anyone could write a VM for it, and anyone can then write programs that should run on any valid Java VM.

Is Oracle really expecting a licensing fee for creating VMs, or has Google modified Java into something unique? If the latter, then Oracle has every right to sue. Look back to when Microsoft modified Java and Sun sued them. It was around 1999 IIRC. Microsoft then went back and took the best parts of Java and created .NET/C#.


RE: Stupid
By edywolfy on 8/13/2010 10:18:41 AM , Rating: 2
Even if Oracle is planning to do that, its really really stupid cause Google is the main java dev company on the web these days.

If Oracle goes after Google for Java patents its gonna end bad for Oracle one way or the other.

Maybe Oracle wanna get something from Google ...


RE: Stupid
By Iridium130m on 8/13/2010 10:29:52 AM , Rating: 5
Yup, Sun's actions are a total set back for Java, which is supposed to be a run anywhere (but run slowly ;) ) language.

Who's going to actively adopt java now if Oracle is going to sue whoever is putting it into their platform?

Time for Google to develop G# or G++ or something.


RE: Stupid
By LifeByTheHorns on 8/13/2010 11:54:28 AM , Rating: 2
Develop is G# or whatever is basically what they've tried to do.

quote:
When Google developed Android it included a Java compatible technology called Dalvik with the phone OS. Dalvik was developed as a "clean room" version of Java, meaning Google built it from the ground up without using any Sun technology or intellectual property, said Gartner analyst Ken Dulaney. "You can't just take a Java application from a Sun environment, where it's licensed, and run it on Android. You have to recompile it to Dalvik," Dulaney said. Oracle says Dalvik is a competitor to Java and infringes several of its patents, which it lists in the complaint, and its Java copyright.


Oracle says Google hired former Sun engineers for this tasks and it's not really a "clean room" version.

If I'm not mistaken, anybody can create their own JVM with a license from Oracle. That's probably what Oracle wants.


RE: Stupid
By zmatt on 8/16/2010 10:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. Google didn't want to play ball and they made a third option. It pissed off oracle who is used to getting their way.


RE: Stupid
By sonoran on 8/13/2010 1:11:44 PM , Rating: 4
Well, if Larry wants to be a jerk, Google is welcome to switch to MeeGo (http://meego.com/about ). I'm sure the MeeGo community would welcome them with open arms.


RE: Stupid
By MrBlastman on 8/13/2010 10:48:01 AM , Rating: 3
I somehow don't see this ending well. Perhaps, Larry is blinded by all the light that his eyebrows (if he had any) would filter from his eyes. I think he's going to be laughed out of court.


RE: Stupid
By Integral9 on 8/13/2010 12:22:31 PM , Rating: 2
Umm... Didn't Sun release Java to the open source community in like 2005?


RE: Stupid
By zephyrxero on 8/13/2010 1:19:52 PM , Rating: 2
No, the open source transition did not complete till 2009. However, open source deals with copyright, not patents.


RE: Stupid
By Phynaz on 8/13/2010 1:14:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I agree. I thought the whole point of Java was that anyone could write a VM for it, and anyone can then write programs that should run on any valid Java VM.


What's at issue is Google extended their JAVA implementation, which is in violaton of the license.

Basically, something written in "Google JAVA" will not run on another implementation.


RE: Stupid
By edywolfy on 8/13/2010 3:06:05 PM , Rating: 2
Actually thats the best part about Google Web Apps, almost all of'em are written in this "Google Java" then Google Servers translates them to Java-Script, before sending it, this translator is what makes Googles Applications so good, it runs everywhere.

In android must be different, but thinkin about it ... Google must've made a mistake in some level implementing "Google-Java"-"Java-Script"-"Translated-Java".

And, of course, Oracle wanna put their hands in some Google secrets. I mean, Google released some very cool Java stuff, specially on the last Google I/O. Oracle didn't do much for Java since it acquired Sun ...


RE: Stupid
By philpoe on 8/13/2010 12:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
It looks like Sun originally had Java's license in such a way that for the mobile sector, developers would be under their thumb. It looks like Android's Dalvik VM was an attempt by Google to free up the development community.

http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/...


RE: Stupid
By geddarkstorm on 8/13/2010 1:33:37 PM , Rating: 2
I dunno.. their CEO looks pretty badarse (am I the only one who thinks he looks like Liam Neeson?). He could probably take them all single handed in mortal combat.

Wait, what do you mean that isn't how we settle disputes anymore?


RE: Stupid
By JonB on 8/14/2010 12:31:39 PM , Rating: 2
Time for Google to buy Oracle. I'd love to see Ellison gone. What a pita.


Android only grows
By ipay on 8/13/10, Rating: 0
RE: Android only grows
By Pirks on 8/13/2010 11:06:50 AM , Rating: 1
TAC


RE: Android only grows
By AnalogToDigitalKid on 8/13/10, Rating: -1
RE: Android only grows
By Camikazi on 8/13/2010 3:31:16 PM , Rating: 5
My Windows 7 installs run fast, no crashes, bugs or problems and no viruses either, so the question I see is... What are you doing wrong on your computer?


RE: Android only grows
By Azure Sky on 8/14/2010 1:33:38 AM , Rating: 5
its called a PEBKAC or EUE or ID-10T error
Problem
Excists
Between
Keybord
And
Chair

End
User
Error

Id-10t/ID107=idiot

or even
PICNIC (Problem in Chair, Not in Computer)

90% of the people who actually have these problems are as listed above, ID107s Like my father who use to disable his antivirus when ever a website would tell him to......*rolls eyes*

the only cure for these kind of people is to shoot them, giving them a mac or linux system just gives then a false sense of security and leads to them complaining about problems they run into with linux systems(as they insist that linux/osx are superior in every way)


RE: Android only grows
By umop apisdn on 8/16/2010 3:50:52 PM , Rating: 3
I prefer "layer 8 issue".


RE: Android only grows
By LRonaldHubbs on 8/13/2010 6:52:21 PM , Rating: 2
Let me guess...the last Windows computer you used was running XP SP1, IE6, and McAfee antivirus.

<shudders>


RE: Android only grows
By Tony Swash on 8/14/2010 12:15:23 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Wow, it's looking more and more like Android will become the 'Windows' of the mobile devices. One day soon you will see 90+% of the phones in the world with Android and apple with its piddly 3-4%. Once that happens, apple will be a thing of the past.


Keep dreaming :)


That damn Gertrude!
By IcePickFreak on 8/13/2010 12:44:33 PM , Rating: 5
I have the favored dish in the neighborhood with my very own special recipe for "Molasses Pie" - It's all the neighbors favorite. Well this weekend we had a housewarming for some new neighbors and that damn Gertrude from down the street shows up with her own molasses pie, and all the neighbors soon agreed it was much better than mine!! I've had enough and I am having my son-in-law who is a lawyer draft a document stating that I am entitled to 3/4's of every molasses pie she bakes!

Morale of the story: CEO's sound like a bunch of nagging women.




RE: That damn Gertrude!
By maverick85wd on 8/14/2010 5:12:25 PM , Rating: 2
6!!


Why did they wait? $$ maybe?
By vortmax2 on 8/13/2010 11:22:09 AM , Rating: 2
It seems a little fishy to file this lawsuit soon after the NPD sales chart shows Android as #1 in the US...soon the world. Why didn't the file it when Android first came out? Am I missing something?




RE: Why did they wait? $$ maybe?
By SpinCircle on 8/13/2010 11:45:50 AM , Rating: 2
Kinda looks like Oracle wasn't sure there would be much money in it in the early days of Android... now however...


RE: Why did they wait? $$ maybe?
By bupkus on 8/13/2010 1:24:56 PM , Rating: 2
So in essence Oracle delayed action allowing Google to use its technology (an ad hoc investment) until such investment would reap a larger reward.


Get Used To It...
By bplewis24 on 8/13/2010 10:05:10 AM , Rating: 2
Now that Android is the Big Dog, they should be ready for more of these.

Brandon




Oracle vs Google
By mosu on 8/14/2010 1:53:25 AM , Rating: 2

Please Google buy Oracle! They're worth it.




Elaboration please
By Spookster on 8/16/2010 9:29:59 PM , Rating: 2
I think the article could use a little more elaboration on the connection between Android OS and Java. The article is about Oracle suing Google over Java copyright/patent infringements but the only connection between Anroid OS and Java in the article is this statement, "Java is essential for Android".




Am I missing something...
By AEvangel on 8/17/2010 3:18:58 PM , Rating: 2
Oracle is suing for the use of Java in the Android OS that Google created, right??

But isn't Google giving the Android OS away free...so tell me how are they making money on the actual OS?

I know they are making $$ from people who use the OS via providing info of these user to advertisers who then promote various products to the users, but technically they are making nothing off the actual sale OS. They are making money of the related use of the OS.




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