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The casualties in the slowing economy continue are continuing to mount. When most people think of office supply stores, companies like Staples and Office Depot -- and to a lesser extent, Office Max -- spring to mind. Today, Office Depot announced that it is cutting stores and trimming its headcount.

The majority of the store closures will come directly from U.S. operations; however, a few Canadian stores will be affected. A total of 112 underperforming stores will be shuttered bringing Office Depot’s total count to 1,163 stores.

In addition to the 112 retail store closures, 33 of company's distribution centers will also be shutdown.

The loss of the retail stores and distribution centers means that 2,200 Office Depot employees will be out of a job within the next three months -- the company will also take a charge of between $270 million to $300 million USD.

"It's not enough to really close the gap and make a meaningful impact compared to Staples and the mass merchant competitors," said R.J. Hottovy, an analyst for Morningstar. "But it's probably a Band-Aid on a flesh wound."

"We expect (Office Depot) shares to benefit from this announcement, though it does not significantly counteract the tough reality of low underlining profitability, and obviously does not remedy cyclical challenges," said Goldman Sachs analyst Matthew Fassler.

Office Depot has plans to close an additional 14 stores next year and the company reduced its plans for new stores from 40 to 20 during 2009.



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Pick the "survivor"
By Lord 666 on 12/10/2008 4:31:07 PM , Rating: 2
This really applies where there is more than one company in a vertical. Was thinking this the other day that due to the economic climate, there will be many "look-alike" stores to fail. But what ones?

Home Depot vs. Lowes?

Petsmart vs. Petco?

Staples vs. Office Max vs. Office Depot

Circuit City vs Best Buy (CC failed, but still open)

Walmart vs. Target

Fed Ex vs. UPS (DHL already failed)

VZW vs. ATT vs. Sprint (Sprint on its way out)

GM vs. Ford vs. Chrysler

Also thinking there are too many food chains. Applebees, Houlihans, Fridays, Chili's... more than likely a brand or two will die.




RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Murst on 12/10/2008 5:54:59 PM , Rating: 2
Seeing what happens with Sears will be kinda interesting. It was a mess a year ago, but I think they actually turned a lot of things around... although I'm not sure if it will be enough to save them.

BTW, it wasn't on your list, but I think Radio Shack will probably be the next big chain to die.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Mithan on 12/10/08, Rating: 0
RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Pirks on 12/10/2008 9:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
Alarmist


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Parhel on 12/10/2008 11:48:08 PM , Rating: 2
You have my vote for the best comment ever. I literally choked on my giant glass of Jim Beam when I read that.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By soundgarden on 12/16/2008 1:31:51 AM , Rating: 2
Jim Cramer said Jim Beam (or it's parent company) should not be going out of business in the foreseeable future, actually should start making profits.

So drink all the Beam you want. You can still buy more.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Lord 666 on 12/11/2008 11:13:18 AM , Rating: 2
So what happened to you between 8/28/2008 and now? Check out one of your earlier posts that states

quote:
While many idiots are no doubt crying doom and gloom, there are trillions of dollars worth of new industries just waiting to explode, and millions of jobs to be created because of it.


Did you someone in your family loose their job? If you would like to talk about it in a constructive manner, go ahead. But while there are some economic questions of the future, the end of the world is not coming. There is a good chance of a Depression that could last several years, but millions will not die.

One great movie that you might enjoy is "Prayer of the Rollerboys."


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By mindless1 on 12/12/2008 3:20:22 AM , Rating: 2
If you are 90% of us, you need to stop making new dailytech accounts.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Nfarce on 12/10/2008 6:52:15 PM , Rating: 2
And don't forget Lenins-n-Things and Bed Bath & Beyond (rip LNT).

Regarding Wal Mart vs. Target, Target does a good enough job of separating themselves with some higher quality merchandise, especially in the superstore food section.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Panurge on 12/10/2008 8:00:39 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, Linens and Things is going out of business in a lot of places.

I'm not sure if it's the whole chain, like it is with Tweeter, but it is a good number of them that I've seen.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By SublimeSimplicity on 12/11/2008 7:37:15 AM , Rating: 4
I remember Lenins-n-Things. Didn't they sell communist propaganda at rock bottom prices?


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Nfarce on 12/11/2008 8:55:32 AM , Rating: 2
LMAO. +1 at my own foobar.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Bender 123 on 12/11/2008 9:03:50 AM , Rating: 2
You only got bread and vodka after standing in long lines and the employees always complained about how they were working to their abilities and only earning to their needs.

Plus I needed some light green sheets and the only color they stocked was red...


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By RamarC on 12/10/2008 8:09:54 PM , Rating: 2
The world does not reflect Highlander. There doesn't have to be only ONE.

Target targets (g) a different demographic than Walmart. I'll shop at Target but won't shop at Walmart.

FedEx and UPS are both profitable and there's no reason to assume either will fail.

As for cars, Mercedes, BMW, and Volkswagon are all viable as are Honda, Toyota, and Mazda. Avis, Hertz, Budget, and Enterprise should be around for awhile also.

There can be more than ONE!

Companies that are too dumb to distinguish themselves from their competition will fail.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Lord 666 on 12/10/2008 10:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
Don't the Big 3 have partial ownership in those rental car companies?

Was also thinking of Walgreens vs Eckerd vs RiteAid. JCPenny's partially owned Eckerd at one point, not sure how much if at all anymore.

BJs vs Costco...?


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By gstrickler on 12/11/2008 4:44:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Was also thinking of Walgreens vs Eckerd vs RiteAid.

Actually, it's more like Walgreens vs RiteAid vs CVS. Could through Walmart, Target, K-Mart, and every major grocery store chain in there, but there because of the pharmacies, but there really is a separate market for a drug store, so I won't.

quote:
JCPenny's partially owned Eckerd at one point, not sure how much if at all anymore.

They don't, Eckerd exists in name only. They sold about 60% to CVS (stores renamed to CVS) and about 40% to Brooks (kept Eckerd name). That's how it normally works, successful companies buy up smaller companies or unsuccessful competitors. When a market gets too saturated or the economy gets too soft, the weaker companies tend to close down rather than be acquired.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Regs on 12/10/2008 10:22:35 PM , Rating: 3
Isn't Mazda owned by Ford?


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Praze on 12/11/2008 9:24:40 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, though it's poised to sell off a large majority of it, Ford has had a controlling stake (33.4%) in Mazda since the mid-90's. Their partnership started back in the 70's, but not all Mazda's are Ford developed, many vehicle platforms from both brands are cross-pollinated by each development team (e.g. Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute/Mercury Mariner, or the Ford Focus/Mazda Axela/Volvo S40).

Mazda still holds many unique innovations under their belt as well that you won’t find under any of Ford's other brands, to include rotary engines and their hydrogen fuel cell project.

Consider them a Japanese car company, matured by American business models.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Regs on 12/15/2008 5:46:40 PM , Rating: 2
My Japanese car is using a Ford engine designed a decade ago. Mazda 08' using a engine from the Ford Contour in 1995: Mondeo class V6.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By bwave on 12/10/2008 10:05:40 PM , Rating: 1
In my humble experience:
Home Depot vs. Lowes? Lowes has better pricing, better selection, much cleaner store - home depot is dark, dreary and a complete mess.
Petsmart vs. Petco? Petsmart
Staples vs. Office Max vs. Office Depot - Office Depot never tried here, Office Max folded about 4 years ago, Staples continues on strong
Circuit City vs Best Buy (CC failed, but still open) - Circuit City has much better employees, better pricing - Best Buy almost appear to be crooks (so I don't slander myself) - anyone who'd ever shop at BB is a moron.
Walmart vs. Target - We have 2 Walmart Superstores in town - both are packed - for me they are too sucessful - you have to stand in checkout line forever even at 2am, both are really clean... personally I shop at Target - pricing on what I buy is within 17cents of Walmart, never a wait. Even though Target smells WEIRD - a combination of popcorn, BO, and Lysol. Customers and employees are hott! :)
Fed Ex vs. UPS (DHL already failed) - FedEx is very overpriced and very unreliable. UPS very reliable, pricing is starting to get out of hand - notice that since fuel prices have plumetted they still haven't removed/reduced their fuel surcharge.
VZW vs. ATT vs. Sprint (Sprint on its way out) - VZ is definately the dominent one, much better coverage and wireless broadband speed. (even if they are the scum of the earth) - AT&T coverage sucks and wireless inet is dialup speed. - Sprint has NO coverage, even worse than Nextel ever was how are they still in business?
GM vs. Ford vs. Chrysler - Ford needs to just make trucks, Chrysler just needs to make Minivans and cheap cars - GM needs to optimize operations and probably selloff a brand or two. Ford & Chrysler should merge.
Food Chains - is applebees really still in business?


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Parhel on 12/10/2008 11:54:56 PM , Rating: 2
There's no doubt that specialty retailers are hurting right now. But, there's plenty of room for the three office supply retailers. Combined, all three have only about a 10% share of the retail office supply market. Overwhelmingly, most people buy their school supplies and so forth at the big box stores such as Wal-Mart. My prediction is that in 5 years, Office Depot will be gone, and OfficeMax and Staples will still be around. Not because there isn't enough room in the market, but because of poor management.

quote:
Home Depot vs. Lowes


Don't you have Menard's near you? Menard's totally kicks both of their asses.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By duzytata on 12/11/2008 1:49:52 AM , Rating: 2
I can't stand Menards. I have a Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, Ace Hardware and Sears Hardware all within 5 miles of my home. Mendards is by far the worst! The first thing I see when I walk in is two isles of food with generic brand tools behind those and name brand stuff scattered throughout. It's like going to Target to buy tools.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Targon on 12/11/2008 7:51:32 AM , Rating: 2
Lowes tends to have a bit better quality stuff than Home Depot, so the two might survive. It depends on locations and such.

Both Circuit City and Best Buy may eventually fade away, or become a sort of catalog store where people go to order items when they don't know what they are looking for.

Target tends to have somewhat higher quality items compared to Walmart, so both may survive. Some may close, depending on the individual market where each store is located.

FedEx is a higher quality company where in general if you ship with FedEx, it will get to the destination in good condition. UPS on the other hand delivers more items overall, but the number of damaged boxes and products due to poor handling from UPS makes me really dislike them.

Both Verizon and AT&T service a slightly different customer base since AT&T phones can and will work in Europe due to using GSM. T-Mobile and other providers missed their chance to boost the size of their networks, which mean that in many rural environments you just can't use their phones.

On the auto industry side, since that is a current news hot topic, GM has far too many brand names, and it makes it harder to market for even a few of them. Ford saw years ago that they would have to transition their business to cars with better gas mileage, so are not really in too bad a shape. If anything, the only problem Ford has right now is just the general economy causing people to be afraid to buy anything right now, or that the warranty on their car won't be worth anything if the company goes bankrupt. GM has a bigger problem where they overpay their employees and have too much of a focus in the truck and large vehicle market, which isn't very popular at the moment. Chrysler...well, they are in bad shape for many reasons but may still survive.

The whole issue comes to variety and having a choice. If there really is nothing that differentiates between two competing stores, then it is a toss-up which will survive. There will be cases where due to the management at an individual location the quality isn't good, so that location may go under while the main chain survives. But, there will be room for multiple, similar stores to survive in a given market based on location. If Home Depot is on one side of a large town and Lowes is on the other side, there might not be a problem for both. If both are next door to each other, then there will probably be a problem for both.

Food is really a matter of taste, so unless you have a food chain that is dirty, the differences between different but similar food chains will still allow multiple to survive. Again, the size of the market and the locations is a key here. Two places next door to each other vs. proximity to shopping centers and such will make individual locations either thrive, or fail. No one wants to drive 2-3 miles out of their way to get food if something similar is very close, unless there is a good reason for it.

There are also other cases where you can tell the managers are complete idiots because the selection of merchandise is poor compared to other stores from the same chain.


RE: Pick the "survivor"
By Bender 123 on 12/11/2008 9:00:41 AM , Rating: 2
The strange thing is that many of these stores see bumps in sales when a competitor opens across the street...A popular example in my business school days was Home Depot vs Menards...Sales actually increased at both when they are located close to each other.

More comparison shopping and each has different specialty areas that filled unserved niches in the other...strange really...Menards is more contractor grade, Home Depot is more do it yourself, etc...


Ghost Town
By pcwhizzer on 12/10/2008 5:05:07 PM , Rating: 2
I live in the Central Coast, Monterey Ca. The Office Depot in our town is the biggest joke! Always and I mean always there is nobody in that place, DEAD. The employees are not helpful and stand around looking at you like your the worst person on earth. NO wonder! I know it is the economy that has alot to do with it, but let me tell you, the customer service makes a huge difference which this Office Depot definitely lacks. Just takes one person to see that you are helped and then follow through. I hate Office Depot. Sorry.




RE: Ghost Town
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 12/10/2008 5:26:52 PM , Rating: 2
The only place deader than an Office Depot is an OfficeMax. I NEVER see people in there.

And the employees creep me out -- they wear headsets and report your location to the manager/other employees as soon as you walk to through the door -- "We have a customer coming in -- he's heading towards computer peripherals"

I just always get an unsettling feeling there, so I shop at Staples most of the time.


RE: Ghost Town
By Desslok on 12/10/2008 6:53:19 PM , Rating: 2
Well then Brandon stop stealing stuff! :)


RE: Ghost Town
By RamarC on 12/10/2008 8:11:56 PM , Rating: 2
that's odd because it's just the opposite for me. Staples is a ghost town while Office Depot always has a few folks in during weekday afternoons.


RE: Ghost Town
By microAmp on 12/10/2008 10:20:29 PM , Rating: 2
You need to learn how to mess with them yourself. When they say you're heading towards computers, stop dead in your tracks and make a right turn and head towards paper, if they change it, then rinse and repeat.


RE: Ghost Town
By MamiyaOtaru on 12/11/2008 2:00:52 AM , Rating: 2
Great idea. That could actually get me to go to an OfficeMax


Honestly
By Suntan on 12/10/2008 4:35:53 PM , Rating: 1
Honestly, who shops at an Office Depot retail store?

Is it really that big of a convenience to be able to buy a desk chair, printer cartridge and rolls of toilet paper at the same small retail store?

-Suntan




RE: Honestly
By slayerized on 12/10/2008 5:28:47 PM , Rating: 3
It is however convenient to be able to have a choice a buying either a char, desk, printer/catridge, stationery, etc at a single retail store. In line with your argument, there is no need for any store; everything that you get at best buy can be procrured from newegg sans the annoying salesmen. I am not saying office depot is a great store, but it is a better store compared to office max and is similar to staples.


RE: Honestly
By Suntan on 12/11/2008 11:36:51 AM , Rating: 2
Where did I imply that best buy was a good store and worthy of staying in business?

Honestly though, charging $25 for a 15ft cat5 patch cable is not a business that should stay in business.

-Suntan


The Silver Lining
By ice456789 on 12/11/2008 8:50:40 AM , Rating: 2
I recently took a trip to a rural city in the mountains of North Carolina. The strange thing about this city; NO franchises were allowed in at all. No McDonalds, no wal-mart, no Publix. It was the most glorious thing ever (and glorious is not a word I use much). All they had were shops owned by the people who live there. When we went to the movie rental store and picked a movie, the cashier/owner asked us if we wanted to watch it there. I was a little dumbfounded until he lead us into an adjacent dark room with tables, chairs, and couches and an 8 foot movie screen. And it turns out he owns the pizzaria next door too, so we bought some pizza to eat while we watched. Best experience ever, and every single store was just as unique.

So maybe the failing of some of these huge chains will give a little more room for some mom and pop stores. A dream I know, but maybe it could happen?




RE: The Silver Lining
By soundgarden on 12/16/2008 1:48:05 AM , Rating: 2
Even Mayberry suferred from corporate expansion. Gomer made sure to note of any new business creeping in from Mt. Pilate.

(Remember, only beer/alcohol was in Mt. Pilate)


Distribution Centers
By genpat on 12/10/2008 6:38:48 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure it was 6 of 33 distribution centers closing, not all 33.




By crystal clear on 12/11/2008 10:49:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Office Depot has plans to close an additional 14 stores next year and the company reduced its plans for new stores from 40 to 20 during 2009


Now does this make sense when they are about to close 100 retail outlets plus another 14 more in 2009 & at the same time they plan to open 20 new retail outlets.

This when it should be scrapping all expansion plans & FIRING those incompetent managers/management teams.

All the major retailers find it convinient to blame the recession for their failures/closures/dissapointing results/etc.

Infact they should be blaming themselves for bad decision making & reckless expansion policy.

In the retail business you cannot be everywhere because you end up being NOwhere namely bankcruptsy.

YES recession does effect them , but blaming it for your failures is wrong, when infact BAD management should be the sole contrinutor to their failures.




By mindless1 on 12/12/2008 3:25:42 AM , Rating: 2
Analysts these days are a joke. They'll go out on a limb predicting things that they have no idea about, and other times wait until they have evidence then conveniently withold that trying to appear as if wielding a crystal ball.

Just ignore them. Ignorant people who freak out about what they supposed an expert "knows" are what caused excessive gas prices, increased unemployment, basically all the ridiculous alarmist BS making chicken little think the sky is falling.

The sky is going nowhere, please just carry on as if morons didn't exist. Maybe OD will close, maybe not, but either way letting such artificial suggestions change anything is at best propaganda, and at worst, some weenie with too much attention being paid to them.




By Ordr on 12/10/2008 5:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
We've been in a recession for over a year now. Recent numbers prove that.


By Nfarce on 12/10/2008 6:50:08 PM , Rating: 2
A recession is officially defined as two or more consecutive quarters of negative growth. Not slowed growth, not stalled growth, negative growth back to back. We have not seen that until just now.


By BansheeX on 12/10/2008 7:51:52 PM , Rating: 2
Who gives a flying wingnut what the official government definition is of anything. The GDP is adjusted for inflation, and "official" inflation numbers are heavily manipulated to understate inflation so that the GDP comes out positive instead of negative. If the CPI was as honest as it was 30 years ago, the GDP would reflect a contraction (reality) instead of growth (la la land).

The agenda is obvious enough, politicians spend millions of dollars to get in a low-paying position of controlling other people's money. They want to redistribute and deficit spend as much as they can without generate resistance. If fiat money creation is legalized counterfeiting to pay for excess without dealing with the resistance of physical appropriations (taxes), then why wouldn't you try to hide money creation and its results? The first changes were to flat out exclude things that were going up too fast to make people passive. Then M3 was discontinued, that was a money supply statistic. Then in 1995, the Boskin Commission was formed to cook the books with subjective methodology. Hedonics adjustment, for example, allows them to assume quality improvement to negate the price increase. So food, energy, and homes are excluded and manufactured goods don't go up because they get better by the same amount. I'm not making this stuff up, that's how stupid it is. The CPI was only supposed to measure one thing: the cost of living. Now it serves only one purpose: to exaggerate success and hide failure.

Since all entitlement payouts for SS and Medicare are adjusted for government numbers, not what inflation really is, it allowed the government to underpay and increase the SS surplus, which switched with bonds so the congress can spend more.


By Nfarce on 12/10/2008 9:44:16 PM , Rating: 2
Actually there are many different methods of defining inflation other than the CPI. Let's, say, what would $100 in 1977 be worth today:

$29.23 using the Consumer Price Index

$35.69 using the GDP deflator - "average price" of all the goods and services produced in the economy.

$26.11 using the value of consumer bundle - the average annual expenditures of all consumer units, both goods and services as well as charity

$31.50 using the unskilled wage - Payment (wage rate) per time period for unskilled labor.

$20.17 using the nominal GDP per capita - nominal GDP divided by population. It is the "average" per-person output of the economy in the prices of the current year.

$14.71 using the relative share of GDP - based on current market prices, or GDP not corrected for inflation

Start adding some zeroes there and you can see how the differences would become more stark. That said, our nation is becoming more and more dependent on government, which gives Washington politicians more and more power. And that scares the hell out of me for this nation long term.

That, and the ignorant youths we are bringing up in government run schools these days who think government is the answer for everything. God forbid we actually FAIL someone because it may hurt his or her self esteem. I give the Western way of life as we know it and what freedoms we still have less than 25 years.


By Regs on 12/10/2008 10:27:57 PM , Rating: 2
And all this time I thought banks and the Fed. Reserve controlled the monetary system.


By Hiawa23 on 12/10/2008 9:27:26 PM , Rating: 2
This recession is hurting businesses all over. I really feel for all those emplyees losing their jobs. When does all this end? I went to Office Depot on Black Friday & was shocked the store was damn near empty. The news says that most consumers aren't spending cause they are saving, but I think most consumers don't have anything to spend.


By jonmcc33 on 12/10/2008 10:38:00 PM , Rating: 2
This was already announced on CNN. We've been in a recession since Dec 2007.


By Beenthere on 12/10/2008 9:40:56 PM , Rating: 1
My comment was sarcasm...

The feds just got the memo last week that we've been in a recession for over 12 months. The feds just discovered we lost 1.9 Million jobs in the past 12 months. The feds just found out we lost 533,000 jobs last month.

When do you think the FOOLS on the Hill will get it? How many more business need to go under? How many million more jobs must be lost? How could anyone not know we have been in a recession for a year?

We are on the edge of slipping into a full blown depression. The FOOLS on the Hill don't get it because in their platinum world paid for by tax payer dollars - everything is fine. They still get platinum salaries, health care, perks, bribes, payola and don't even need to show up for work unless they feel like it.

I say let the bums on Capitol hill work for $1 per year salary until the U.S. economy is healthy again. If they start now, maybe in 3-5 years we'll be back to a decent standard of living. If you've got a job, be thankful. It's gonna get a lot worse for the working man in the next year.


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