quote: You are aware of the atrocities that have been committed within the boarders of some of these countries are you not? Iran, Iran, North Korea?
quote: presidents who kill thousands
quote: The dictators kill thousands. Last time I checked the Iraq invasion have killed hundreds of thousands.
quote: Do you ACTUALLY care about what goes on in those other countries or do you just use them as an excuse to hate America?
quote: "Land of the free, home of the brave, indigenous holocaust, and the home of the slaves. Does that sum up America for you?"
quote: By your logic then, all males of European decent have better job performance then do women
quote: Asians (a group which is up to your interpretation) receive similar or better wages. Is this because all Asians have better on-the-job performance?
quote: From college, graduate school, or high school, their GPAs and test results are lower. Ignoring that and assuming that doesn't affect job performance -- especially in high-paid professional positions -- is wishful thinking.
quote: The 2003 Iraq War caused no more than 8k civilian deaths, and less than 50k combatants on both sides.
quote: The Iran-Iraq War started by Huessin and Khomeini caused 1.1M deaths.
quote: What you don't realise is that these people are already oppressed by their respective governments & the way of 'liberating' them is to kill more of them.
quote: That's just stupidity. We should just let tyrants go amuck and not oppose them by your line of logic because the outcome will always be worse than the condition before.
quote: Hossein's primary supplier of mlitary weapons was Russia. #2 was France. What's your point?
quote: There have been 1,033,000 deaths in Iraq. Many of them civilians for no fault of theirs.
quote: i can pull sources for anything i want to say...that doesn't make it true.
quote: Would YOU PERSONALLY have supported attacking Germany to end the Holocaust, even though it means some innocent German civilians will die?
quote: Wouldn't have supported a UN mission to halt the Rwanda Hut-Tutsi massacre.
quote: Uday would pick women from the streets and order his bodyguards to bring them to his quarters. There Uday would rape and brutalise them..."In front of our eyes Uday took a beautiful woman and transformed her into a barely breathing hunk of raw meat."After beating her severely, he then sodomised her with a length of live electric cable, screaming: 'You said I wasn't hard enough. Is this hard enough for you?'"Then, to punish her further because of what she had said, Uday slit her tongue with a razor blade."I remember the blood spilling onto her dress and her screams," recounts Latif."When Uday finally killed the poor girl, she was wrapped in a carpet and dumped in the sea from a helicopter."
quote: But does that give America the ticket to make their life harder by imposing sanctions & invading them?
quote: The UN imposes sanctions. The US enforces them. That's how it is and the way it's always been.
quote: Why should we listen to anything else you have to say?
quote: The US enforces them when its in their interests. But flouts them when it is not.
quote: You know what asshole, it IS in our best interests to have peaceful democracies instead of dictatorships and tyrants in charge of nations. It's also in the WORLDS best interests.
quote: Can you even comprehend what America has done for the world ? No, because you fit the profile of the typical young liberal douchebag who has your head full of mush.
quote: Back on topic, the UN was founded because a bunch of morons like yourself thought it would be a good idea to let Hitler and other dictators roam around entire continents threatening their neighbors and building up unchecked military forces. Trusting that mankind would "do the right thing". But Hitler and Dictators like him don't do the right thing, do they ? SOMEONE has to watch and monitor what the leaders of other countries are doing and make sure they don't become a destabilizing force.
quote: The democracies are allowed only if they further American interests.
quote: I can comprehend what the self righteousness of media has done to you.
quote: Who will guard the guards?
quote: What do you mean "allowed" ? Show me one fucking example where America didn't allow a nation to become a democracy. You can't !!! Time and time again, when people have risen up to fight for their freedom, America has been there to support them.
quote: Look up the word righteous. And yeah, our media is just SO pro American lol. Have you been living in a cave the last decade or two ?
quote: Right, so because of a philosophical concern, we'll just have NO guards. Good idea...
quote: Show me one fucking example where America didn't allow a nation to become a democracy.
quote: US and British involvement primarily consisted of our secret diplomatic efforts to convince the Shah to use his power to replace Mossedegh with a less radical alternative.
quote: To set the stage, the CIA launched an anti-communist propaganda campaign against Mossadegh, including planted newspaper reports, bribes, street demonstrations, and even the bombing of a cleric’s home to break the prime minister’s coalition with Iran’s religious community.
quote: We didn't "depose a government"
quote: The news the paper carried of [the Shah's victory] was undoubtably flashed through the city by word of mouth, for before 9:00am, pro-Shah groups were assembling in the bazaar area. Members of these groups had not only made their personal choice between Mossadeq and the Shah, but were stirred up and ready to move...By 10:15, there were pro-Shah truckloads of military personnel in all the main squares... the really large groups, armed with sticks and stones, came from south Tehran and merged as they [progressed] to the center of the city. The [Mossadeq troops] fired hundreds of shots over the heads of the crowd, but apparently were not willing to fire at these partisans of the Shah... The surging crowds of men, women, and children wree shouting "Shah Piruz Ast!", (The Shah is Victorious)... A gay holiday atmosphere prevailed , and it was as if exterior pressures had been released so the true sentiments of the people showed through. The crowds included people of all classes -- many well dressed, led or encouraged by other civilians. Trucks and busloads of cheering civilians streamed by [and] about noon, five tanks and 20 truckloads of soldiers joined in...As usual, word spread like lightning and in other parts of the city, pictures of the Shah were eagerly displayed. Cars went by with headlights burning as tangible indication of loyalty to the ruler...
quote: US and British involvement primarily consisted of our secret diplomatic efforts
quote: I am aware of some of them. But does that give America the ticket to make their life harder by imposing sanctions & invading them?
quote: India's General Sundarji famously said, the lesson of the 1991 war between the United States and Iraq was not to get into a conflict with the United States unless you already had nuclear weapons.
quote: Countries threatened by the US (like Iran & North Korea) know that nukes are the only guarantee against an American invasion. A non-nuclear Iraq fell prey to US aggression.
quote: The cold hard reality today is that US possesses thousands of nuclear warheads without a no first use (NFU) policy. China & India have NFU in their nuclear doctrine.
quote: Do you realize how retarded you sound ? Ignoring your obvious anti-American slant, do you actually propose using nukes on your own soil as a deterrent to invasion ? The United States is not an aggressor, we are liberators. I remind you Iraq broke UN treaties and regulations again and again and again. You might disagree with the reasons for the war, but don't pretend they are some kind of victim.
quote: Yeah that's real logical thinking there. Hey, because they SAID they won't use them first totally means they won't. Right ? Especially China, which is about as honest when it comes to it's foreign policy and dealings with other nations as a crooked politician.
quote: Nobody endorsed or knew Saddam was going to gas his own people. Don't blame the USA for Saddam being Saddam.
quote: No reputable source claims the US continued to arm Iraq after the Halabja gas attacks came to light.
quote: See this is where the US just cant win. If we did nothing about Saddam we would be blamed for sitting idly by and letting him invade other arabian countries.
quote: The CIA also found 1500 pages on making a nuclear weapon in a palace of Saddam's in 2004 and posted them on their website.
quote: We just gave him the weapons to fight the bigger evil of Iran. What he did with them after was his decision not ours.
quote: And about the CIA... have you ever heard of redacted? You take a big black marker and cross out the important stuff while you leave the stuff like the title page that says "nuclear weapons for dummies".
quote: 1. On countless occasions, Iraq violated the terms of the original cease-fire agreement of the Kuwaiti War. By that alone, Hussein justified the resumption of hostilities, up to and including invasion of his nation. 2. On several occasions, Iraq fired upon US and British Forces enforcing the UN mandated No-Fly Zone. By that alone, Hussein initiated an act of war, justifying reprisals up to and including invasion of his nation.
quote: People that defend people like Saddam are no better than he was.
quote: Both governments were warned that Iraq was not a threat and that war would be an illegal action, they took it anyway. We were and still are to this day the aggressors.
quote: Iraq could produce nuclear weapons within three years, according to a German intelligence assessment.The report also says the Federal Intelligence Service (BND) has evidence that Baghdad is working to develop its short-range rockets.The BND also believes Iraq still possesses the capacity to resume the production of biological weapons at short notice.Details of the information contained in the report was published in various German newspapers following a briefing to journalists by BND officials.The BND says it has evidence to suggest the following: Iraq has resumed its nuclear programme and may be capable of producing an atomic bomb in three years. Work has been observed at the Al Qaim site, believed to be the centre of Baghdad's nuclear programme.Iraq is currently developing its Al Samoud and Ababil 100/Al Fatah short-range rockets, which can deliver a 300kg payload 150km (95 miles). Medium-range rockets capable of carrying a warhead 3,000km (1,900 miles) could be built by 2005 - far enough to reach Europe.Iraq is also believed to be capable of manufacturing solid rocket fuel.A Delhi-based company, blacklisted by the German Government because of its alleged role in weapons proliferation, has acted as a buyer on Iraq's behalf. Deliveries have been made via Malaysia and Dubai. Since the UN inspectors left, the number of Iraqi sites involved in chemicals production has increased from 20 to 80. Of that total, the BND believes a quarter to be involved in making weapons. Widespread procurement activity has been observed abroad and production of biological weapons could be resumed at short notice. It is possible that production may already have begun.
quote: On November 8, 2002, the Security Council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous 15-0 vote; Russia, China, France, and Arab countries such as Syria voted in favor , giving Resolution 1441 wider support than even the 1990 Gulf War resolution</quote.
quote: 15 nations voted unanimously to approve the use of military action in Iraq.
quote: It's a shame we live in a world filled with spineless morons who hate truth and honor so much as to defend a mass murdering dictator when it's all so black and white.
quote: Funny how you come off as a lover of a wanton murderers of innocents and a hater of someone who killed said wanton murders of innocents.
quote: In the grand score of good and evil, the USA has done far more good in the world than it has evil.
quote: All the Afghan women would dispute you.
quote: Under the Taliban government, women had no rights whatsoever. They were chattel. Denied the right to work, to go to school, or even leave the house without a male escort, forced to wear a burqa and veil continually.
quote: No one knows how many children had parents torn from them by the war, or the conflicts waged by Saddam against Kuwait and Iran. Some fathers were hanged or shot under Saddam.Samira al-Moussawi, head of the women's, children's and families' committee in parliament, said if there are a million widows in Iraq, there are probably three million orphans.
quote: " though it's quite possible that considerable percentage of adults flee to neighboring countries in search for work and leave their children behind and then officials register them as orphans"
quote: So its just making a money saving that has zero negative impact, in fact, it is probably one of the few money savers that has no negative impact.
quote: The push to reduce nuclear arms around the world is reportedly due in part to the growing number of nuclear arms available in Iran...
quote: I've already pointed out the fallacy in this. 500 warheads would destroy a large chunk of Russia once. But then, what's a little exaggeration for effect among friends, right?