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Topic will be improving the government IT system

When President Obama took office it was clear that he was putting improvements in government efficiencies and the IT systems the government uses as high priorities. Many point to the antiquated computer systems often in use in various parts of the government as places where huge sums of taxpayer money is wasted each year.

Obama promised technology initiatives in his inaugural speech setting the tone for his administration as tech focused. Obama later passed legislation that would revamp the aging power grid in America and allow for improvements in broadband access to rural communities and the poor.

Obama and private sector corporate CEOs have gathered to talk ideas for how the government can reform its aging IT systems and practices. President Obama said last Thursday that he would require the Office of Management and Budget to make sure federal agencies implement some of the best ideas to come from the meetings.

InformationWeek quotes Obama from a speech saying, "I want us to ask ourselves every day, how are we using technology to make a real difference in people's lives. Improving the technology our government uses isn't about having the fanciest bells and whistles on our websites -- it's about how we use the American people's hard-earned tax dollars to make government work better for them."

Among the topics being discussed at the meeting are the centralization of the governments IT budget, periodic IT investment reviews, and collecting feedback from U.S. citizens on government services. Other topics will include ways to break larger IT projects into smaller pieces, benchmarking, and methods for being more transparent with customer service information inside the government.

All of the ideas resulting from the meeting will be posted for public comment and citizens will also be able to submit their own ideas. InformationWeek reports that one example of an outdated system within the government that Obama cited was within the patent office. The patent applications are filed digitally, but the patent office prints them out, scans them, and enters the data into a different management system. Obama calls the system "embarrassing" and a clear example of government inefficiencies.



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First mistake...
By DigitalFreak on 1/18/2010 12:31:23 PM , Rating: 5
Obama's first mistake was talking to CEOs. He should have brought in engineers who actually do the work for a living. All the CEOs care about is how much money they stand to make from government contracts.




RE: First mistake...
By ipay on 1/18/2010 1:18:45 PM , Rating: 4
+6


RE: First mistake...
By Yawgm0th on 1/18/2010 1:54:38 PM , Rating: 2
You, sir, deserve a six.

On the one hand, I like that Obama actually takes AN approach to a lot of issues that Bush largely ignored, but I don't know that such a hands-on approach is the best. Neither Obama nor the CEOs know enough about this to come up with anything effective. The IT managers and network/systems/security engineers from companies and government agencies could get together and confer with each other. CEOs will be either useless or focused on profit.

It's not even that that makes them bad people. Businesses exist to profit, not help the public. There's nothing wrong with that, but you can't expect them to just "help" out of the goodness of their hearts.


RE: First mistake...
By WW102 on 1/18/2010 5:35:40 PM , Rating: 2
I think its funny everyone things the CEO is a mindless monkey but greedy monkey that they stuck at the top. True he might be more business minded now, but doesnt mean he doesnt have a technical background or any techincal understanding.


RE: First mistake...
By DigitalFreak on 1/18/2010 6:51:46 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The collection of CEOs at Thursday's meeting included the leaders of Microsoft, UPS, Whirlpool, United Airlines, Staples, J. Crew, Cargill and Alcoa, as well as dozens of others,


I don't see any companies on that list that would have a CEO with technical knowledge. Yes, I know that Ballmer is there but he's a business guy, not a tech guy. If it had been Gates, then I'd agree.


RE: First mistake...
By CENGJINYIWEI on 1/31/10, Rating: -1
RE: First mistake...
By borismkv on 1/19/2010 10:01:10 AM , Rating: 2
It is not the job of a CEO to be technically minded. That's why companies have Chief *Technical* Officers.

As one of the guys who works in Government IT, my recommendation for the president would be to start firing the egomaniacs in the system. But that will never happen.


RE: First mistake...
By WW102 on 1/19/2010 2:19:24 PM , Rating: 2
Youre right, the CEO is just the guy saying charge them more, make more money, cut cost fire people. He doesnt have to be a SME, but he does have a very good concept of his companies capabilites. He sets the path the company is going to follow and its up to everyone below him to make sure they follow that vision and execute the plan.


RE: First mistake...
By DigitalFreak on 1/18/2010 6:54:06 PM , Rating: 2
Voting him down? Guess a bunch of folks on here can't see the truth of his post.


RE: First mistake...
By Samus on 1/19/2010 4:13:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think its funny everyone things the CEO is a mindless monkey


Michael Dell was there. He certainly fits your sarcastic profile.


RE: First mistake...
By Nfarce on 1/18/10, Rating: -1
RE: First mistake...
By retrospooty on 1/19/2010 7:27:38 AM , Rating: 5
You say that as if you blame the dem congress that was in power all of 1 year prior to the crash... Giving Bush and the rep. congress (which was in power 14 years straight) a free pass for so many years of total idiocy.

You also act as if it isnt a LONG time rep. stance to block regulation in the industry that dems try to put in. Do you know all of the details that were in that bill that Frank voted against? Do you know the earmarks tied to it, or are you just spouting mindless crap that Fox news drivels into your head?

Wait... you are Nfarce, therefore you are just here to blame the libs at all costs without thinking or debating.

NEXT!


RE: First mistake...
By Nfarce on 1/20/2010 6:50:28 PM , Rating: 2
First of all Spooty, stop drooling and wetting yourself over Fox News. You Keith Olbmerann and Jon Stewart loving people look just that much more childish. You don't see us on the right trashing CNN and MSNBC, do you?

But what you say about 14 years of "power" by Republicans in congress is not entirely true. They had to deal with Clinton for 4 years and 2 years of Democrats controlling the Senate from 2001-2003 when Jumping Jim Jeffords left the Republican party. Not only that, but Republicans were never a super-majority and never had what the Democrats have had for a year up to the election last night in Mass: filibuster proof Congress. Democrats had a lot of legislation passed since 1996.

And finally, back to Fannie/Freddie, REGULATIONS have ZERO to do with "earmarks" unlike, say, that "Stimulus Bill" that was rammed through Congress behind closed doors a year ago that nobody read in a failed attempt to recover the economy. The truth is out there:

"When Republican Richard Shelby of Alabama, then chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, pushed for comprehensive GSE reform in 2005, Democrat Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut successfully threatened a filibuster. Later, after Fannie and Freddie collapsed, Mr. Dodd asked, "Why weren't we doing more?" He then voted for the Bush reforms that he once called "ill-advised."

But Mr. Dodd wasn't the only Democrat to heap abuse on the Bush reforms. Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts defended Fannie and Freddie as "fundamentally sound" and labeled the president's proposals as "inane." He later voted for the reforms. Sen. Charles Schumer of New York dismissed Mr. Bush's "safety and soundness concerns" as "a straw man." "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," was the helpful advice of both Sen. Thomas Carper of Delaware and Rep. Maxine Waters of California. Rep. Gregory Meeks of New York berated a Bush official at a hearing, saying, "I am just pissed off" at the administration for raising the issue."


But you go on ahead and continue wetting beds like a typical liberal and slobber over Fox News. We'll continue to watch events like in Massachusetts gain momentum (Reid is next). The people do not, I repeat, do NOT want legislation and a Nanny State of fascist control rammed down their throats, something your beloved liberal Democrats have been doing for some time now.


RE: First mistake...
By retrospooty on 1/23/2010 10:47:38 AM , Rating: 3
Ya... your not at all slanted are you?

I said nothing about fox , I think Olbermann is a joke. Stewart is funny, but then again, he is a comedian and his show IS on comedy central. I DO see people on the right trashing CNN and MSNBC, but what does that have to do with anything? Earmarks? What does it have to do with it? I am saying you don't know what else was in the bill/bills that were voted against. It may have been crap. Its as if you don't know how Washington works and that the reps and dems are exactly the same - both criminally corrupt.

I do not want this healthcare bill, nor do I want a nanny state. You assume I am a die hard liberal because I call you on your one sidedness. You are so blind you cant see the simple truth...

You overblow everything negative the libs do and give a free pass to everything negative conservatives do at the same tine you also overblow everything positive the conservatives do while ignoring everything positive the libs do. That is the defintion of a partisaned hack, you are not part of any solution my friend, you are part of the problem. at least I can stay in the middle and see that both sides are full of crap here.


RE: First mistake...
By WW102 on 1/19/10, Rating: 0
RE: First mistake...
By arazok on 1/18/2010 2:11:41 PM , Rating: 5
His first mistake was in believing that government CAN do IT.

Every Government IT project over should be outsourced to a big company that can do the job. By this I mean, no consultants, no contracts, no special departments. You call Microsoft, IBM, SAP, whoever, and say “I want YOU to build a system that does THIS. How much?” If the $$$ is too much, then you abandon the whole idea, because you aren’t getting it cheaper any other way.


RE: First mistake...
By akugami on 1/18/2010 5:02:46 PM , Rating: 5
They also need to put some damned accountability into all government granted contracts. How the F does a contractor get away with saying it'll only cost $300 million but then come back and say that they need another $200 million to complete the project? Or worse, the project is an utter failure. Seriously, there are performance bonuses in contracts such as housing development but there are also penalties if you don't meet certain criteria. Why can't government contracts state the same?


RE: First mistake...
By ikenasty on 1/18/2010 6:34:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Every Government IT project over should be outsourced to a big company that can do the job.


Kind of like when we (DFAS) outsourced IT support to Unisys and their troubleshooting results in either A. Tell user the reason their machine is not working properly is due to the user not using a surge protector, B. Tell user the entire machine must be reimaged, or C. All of the above...

Yeah, outsourcing works beautifully 100% of the time.


RE: First mistake...
By arazok on 1/19/2010 9:33:39 AM , Rating: 2
That does not make for a failed project.

Tech support sucks everywhere, always. Think about it – if you actually knew something about computers, would you be wasting your time in a support job?


RE: First mistake...
By WW102 on 1/18/2010 2:19:00 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah good Idea start at the bottom.


RE: First mistake...
By 67STANG on 1/18/2010 3:56:43 PM , Rating: 3
But without talking to CEO's how would he know how much they would contribute towards his re-election efforts?


RE: First mistake...
By mikefarinha on 1/19/2010 1:27:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Obama's first mistake was talking to CEOs. He should have brought in engineers who actually do the work for a living. All the CEOs care about is how much money they stand to make from government contracts.


I disagree.

When planing out IT systems you need big picture thinking. Sure an engineer can tell you if something is plausible or not or tell you the technical details of something or another but big picture thinking is one of the most important, and difficult, responsibilities of a CEO.

Once a CEO sets a course the whole company follows suit... if the course is not a good (profitable) course then the CEO is the one solely responsible for the companies loss.

A good CEO should be aware of future possibilities in their respective markets.


Step one...
By steven975 on 1/18/2010 12:41:55 PM , Rating: 3
Disconnect any and all fax machines.

You cannot currently deal with any agency unless you send a fax...and then mail it when it is unreadable. This is 2010.




RE: Step one...
By ipay on 1/18/2010 1:24:26 PM , Rating: 2
Obligatory Dilbert reference in 3... 2... 1...

http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2009-12-10/


RE: Step one...
By VaultDweller on 1/18/2010 2:10:02 PM , Rating: 2
It was good for a chuckle.


RE: Step one...
By rudy on 1/18/2010 10:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
So true +10. The fax is the most useless piece of junk in the world right now that is hindering progress. Yet so many people in government or academic areas insist on using the trash because they think that it is more secure then email. Ya like I can photoshop any signature I want then print it then shove it in a fax machine.


Patent office
By DigitalFreak on 1/18/2010 12:32:59 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The patent applications are filed digitally, but the patent office prints them out, scans them, and enters the data into a different management system. Obama calls the system "embarrassing"


The entire patent system in this country is "embarrassing".




How about....
By quiksilvr on 1/18/2010 12:23:02 PM , Rating: 2
You STOP using papers for every damn thing and set up a CLOSED network within the White House. Don't give it any connection to the internet in any way, and just have a server that cannot be accessed to anything OUTSIDE the White House.

If Fort Knox can do it, why can't you?




RE: How about....
By heulenwolf on 1/18/2010 7:19:49 PM , Rating: 2
I can't argue on the paper thing. There is plenty of good reason to close some networks. But having all the gov't networks closed prevents necessary sharing of information. The only reason we avoided another plane blowing up in mid-air last Christmas Day is because the bomber was incompetent, again. If agencies at various sites around the world can't share such relevant information as:
1) The NSA's "chatter" that a Nigerian man would be attacking the US
2) This guy's father warned the embassy that his son was off in Yemen being radicalized
3) Another operative trained in Yemen used the same tactic only a few months earlier
4) The UK had revoked his passport due to falsifying info
...we may as well just count on more successful attacks coming our way.

There has to be a balance between communications security and proper information sharing if we're going to put these pieces together in time to stop attacks. Otherwise, the true waste of money is bothering to gather all that information in the first place. We can just let the plane blow up and the news organizations will tell us why it happened afterwards: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM...


It's not just the patent office
By mezman on 1/18/2010 3:54:26 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The patent applications are filed digitally, but the patent office prints them out, scans them, and enters the data into a different management system. Obama calls the system "embarrassing"


It's not just the patent office. In the agency I work for, the payroll system and time accounting systems are decoupled as well. So what we need to do is put our hours worked (and leave etc) into one system, print it out, sign it, fax it to a secretary who then manually puts that same information into the payroll system so we can be paid.

When I first came to work for the gov't in 2006 that process was just astounding having come from working in the private sector. Sadly, now I take things like that for granted. Welcome to the machine.




An expert indeed.
By Dfere on 1/18/2010 3:59:29 PM , Rating: 3
He's telling Big Auto what to do. And of course, Wall Street. And Big Banking. This is unexpected?




By descendency on 1/18/2010 7:51:13 PM , Rating: 3
Does anyone else wonder why this isn't a bigger story? Yet another example of Big Government and Big Business working together. WalMart is one of the largest lobbying groups for minimum wage increases, Mattel is the largest lobbyist for toy safety inspections, and Big Insurance are the largest lobbyist for Health Care/Insurance Reform.

Why doesn't anyone ask questions about this?

(This isn't about Obama either. It's been happening for 80 years in the US.)




How about...
By cscpianoman on 1/18/2010 1:03:37 PM , Rating: 2
Get rid of IE6? :P




How to fix Government IT
By hiscross on 1/18/2010 9:20:25 PM , Rating: 1
Either give Steve Jobs full control or get Jack Baur to do it. Yea, ou are right, it will Never get Fixed.




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