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Obama says he'll purchase a Volt when his time in office is up

The Chevrolet Volt was a target for many during its gestation period and even after it hit American roads. Many criticized its lofty price tag that is offset with a $7,500 tax credit. Others saw it as the poster child for President Barack Obama’s energy policies and his support for green initiatives. It also didn’t help that NHTSA testing showed that Volts could catch fire after a side-impact crash.
 
However, President Obama today stated that he would put his money where his mouth is once he leaves office. "Five years from now when I'm not president anymore, I'll buy one and drive it myself," said President Obama in a speech to members of the United Auto Workers today. "Yes, that's right."
 
President Obama "drove" a Volt about 10 feet forward at a manufacturing plant back in 2010. The Secret Service wouldn't allow President Obama to drive any further for security reasons.


President Obama's "test drive" of a Chevrolet Volt back in 2010
 
"If the president is still interested in buying a Volt upon leaving office, we recommend a test drive of more than 10 feet," said GM spokesman Greg Martin.
 
Obama has a history of purchasing vehicles from American auto companies. He used to own a Jeep Cherokee, and while in the U.S. Senate he drove a Chrysler 300C. However, once Obama's presidential aspirations kicked in, he switched from the Chrysler 300 to decidedly "greener" Ford Escape Hybrid.
 
The only question that remains now is if Obama will be grabbing the keys to a brand new Volt in 2013 or 2017.

GM recently restarted Volt production after a holiday hiatus. The company will also be making available a special Low Emissions Package that will net California buyers an extra $1,500 tax credit.

Source: Detroit News



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Vote him out of the office
By carniver on 2/28/2012 6:39:56 PM , Rating: 5
So that his dream of buying a Volt can come true




RE: Vote him out of the office
By phatboye on 2/28/2012 6:56:11 PM , Rating: 4
I would take your advice but the republican candidates are 10x worse. So I think I am going to stick with Obama


RE: Vote him out of the office
By quiksilvr on 2/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: Vote him out of the office
By Souka on 2/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: Vote him out of the office
By sigmatau on 2/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: Vote him out of the office
By Dorkyman on 2/29/12, Rating: 0
RE: Vote him out of the office
By nolisi on 2/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/29/2012 11:34:14 AM , Rating: 3
Like he was a better candidate then McCain.. based on.. what? Oratory? His two seconds in the Senate? If conservatives can admit their party has some evangelical crazies, which I do admit, don't know why the left can't admit Obama was the race card writ large. Hillary Clinton knows Obama got it 'cause he was black, and in private, with enough whiskey, I've no doubt she'd tell you that.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Vote him out of the office
By Rott3nHIppi3 on 2/29/2012 12:16:12 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
A lot of people don't vote for the party of war criminals even though the candidate may present agreeable views.


McCain lost because he chose Palin as VP. Plain and simple. He was ahead in the polls even after Palin was introduced (in fact, surged). He took a nose dive after SNL and NBC destroyed her. Ironically, you don't hear the "But what if McCain dies?" rhetoric spinning around Ron Paul's nomination.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By nolisi on 2/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/29/2012 12:50:06 PM , Rating: 3
I'm well aware of his flaws. My point was Obama was a blank slate; at least he'd been in the Senate long enough to have positions worth reversing. Obama was part way through his first term as Senator. His crowning achievements in life were two things: A speech given to the DNC in 2004 and his books, where he talks about his father (a card-carrying Marxist) and talks about his Marxist sympathies when he was just a tad younger. Thanks for skipping over the obvious to make obfuscating attacks though.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By nolisi on 2/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Vote him out of the office
By Rott3nHIppi3 on 2/29/2012 12:22:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I thought I had encountered all the twisted conservative viewpoints possible. I love this one because there's an unprecedented level of personal denial going on here.

It's not denial.. its a reality. Obama got 93% of black vote and headlines like this don't help. LOL.. liberal hypocrisy at its best! Who's the racist now?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100210/Sa...


RE: Vote him out of the office
By nolisi on 2/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/29/12, Rating: 0
RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 12:57:14 PM , Rating: 5
BS. It's because republicans who spend on defense vs. democrats who will close their bases. Military is the republicans' "welfare" demographic.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/29/2012 1:57:32 PM , Rating: 2
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It's because republicans who spend on defense vs. democrats who will close their bases.


Most I talk to understand Democrats keep them about as equally busy with wars, interventions, whatever you want to call them as Republicans do, but no, most of it is legitimately different philosophies from our current apologist-in-chief.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 2:26:05 PM , Rating: 3
That's a load of BS again. Clinton and Obama did not keep the military "busy" as much as GWB and his evil cronies did, not even close. They cut spending while Bush increased it, of course they're going to vote for the republican candidate.

However, soldiers who see combat and have wisened up know that Republicans are terrible, that's why Obama got more donations from veterans than McCain.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By The Raven on 2/29/2012 1:47:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
How much of the Christian/Military vote do the republicans usually get? We obviously can't term this type of bias as racism- but why is it wrong for blacks to blindly feel that a black candidate represents them but it's ok for a Christian to blindly feel that a Christian candidate represents them. It's called racism my friend.

Not that I care for any Republican candidates (other than Dr. No) but obviously a person makes a decision to be Christian and normally says something about the content of your character. Skin color on the other hand is not elective and has nothing to do with your insides.

Now having said that, I think that it is less objectionable to be positively racist (vote for him because he is black) than it is to be negatively racist (vote against him because he is black) but both are equally wrong.

With regard to the 93%: 100% of blacks are only like 12% of the US population so I doubt there was much of a dent made in the numbers there. Especially when you add in the minority of whites/others who are actual racists (Yes they still exist (I have personally met some in CA, UT, and MO). These are the ones who think that blacks are of a different species that should not be living among the rest of us. Actual Racists, not "prejudice-ists," if you will. But like I said these are a small minority which I would guess pretty much cancelled out any racist black votes.

On the racist front, I think the ones who really did it for Obama where those who "voted black" because of white guilt.
I think that McCain won the nomination because most people voted for the man who was "McCain 2000". After he was nominated and people realized how he was now more machine than man (and that Palin was a moron), they said, "What the hell, I'm white and guilty, let's get a black man in the WH"

Anyway, kudos to all the racists who realized that there hasn't been significant difference between reps and dems for decades and just went with skin color/cool factor. Although they should have gone 3rd party in my opinion.

Watching you two reminds me of the guys on the radio who were arguing about whether or not McD's is better than BK.

And as far as advising this guy to ditch his friends: I don't think that is such a good idea to ditch friends who disagree with you. How else will those racists come around if they never come in contact with a non-racist? You can think of it as voluntary personal affirmative action.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Jedi2155 on 3/2/2012 3:02:03 AM , Rating: 2
I am neither white nor black and I voted for Obama in '08 knowing full well his political policies. He has for the most part followed through on his campaign promises that I voted for. I think he is still the best candidate, short of maybe Ron Paul. So if you guys can get Paul as the Presidential nominee, then I'll vote Republican.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Rott3nHIppi3 on 3/2/2012 12:53:22 PM , Rating: 2
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He has for the most part followed through on his campaign promises that I voted for.

Are we referring to Gitmo? no. Transparency? no. Lobbying? no. Lower the deficit in half by the end of his 2nd year? still no. Ending the mission in Iraq? not quite yes yet. Ending Bush tax cuts? Nope! About the only thing he got is the "Healthcare" mandate, which doesn't even go into effect until 2014 (and probably will be reduced to ash before it gets there). Outside of miniscule amendments here and there, the only significant thing to come out of this president is his passion for golf. Well, then there's these:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/1...

Perhaps a few promises put on the backburner? LOL!!!

Although Ron Paul is on the Republican stage, I think most people see him as libertarian. If you're saying you'd ditch Obama policy in favor of Ron Paul policy... well hell... I'm not even sure what to say. I mean... congratulations, but that's a pretty big shift in ideology. You sure you ain't having identity crisis?


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 3/2/2012 3:10:42 PM , Rating: 2
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Ending the mission in Iraq? not quite yes yet.

US troops left Iraq on December 18, 2011.
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Ending Bush tax cuts? Nope!

GOP wouldn't let him do that unless the payroll tax breaks ended, which would have adversely affected many lower and middle income families. So it's not his fault
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About the only thing he got is the "Healthcare" mandate, which doesn't even go into effect until 2014

That's a pretty big accomplishment actually.


By Rott3nHIppi3 on 3/2/2012 4:27:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's a pretty big accomplishment actually.

So are the accomplishments *cough* listed in the link I provided. I notice you did not comment on those though! Way to cherry pick to fit your need for voter satisfaction. Try again!

Iraq War:
Obama's promise was 20 months after taking office (just when the "surges" were starting to show signs of working). After giving it a second thought, he realized more time was needed. Just words, really, to the voters at the time! Made for great fodder!

Tax Cuts:
Know what's funny about this one. He ADAMANTLY railed against these breaks, but now has it listed as an accomplishment on his own site. He's also taking credit for offering up the tax break even though its just a continuation of something already in place. He didn't give anyone a tax break.. he simply allowed it to stay the same!

Healthcare:
Do I really need to go into this one? LOL! You apparently don't keep up with the news... well news that's not MSNBC.

Use whatever word imagery you need to fit your liberal ideology. Out here in the real world, this administration is failing pretty miserably.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Mint on 3/4/2012 11:58:19 PM , Rating: 2
Kerry and Gore got ~90% of the black vote as well. The black vote had almost no impact on Obama getting voted in. Maybe 0.3% of the voting body were black and switched from Republican to Democrat in 2008, even less doing so because of race.

The biggest gains were made among Latino voters, higher income voters (esp $200k+ voters: Obama got 52% of their vote, while Kerry got only 35%), and young voters.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By BSMonitor on 2/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Vote him out of the office
By MrBlastman on 2/29/2012 1:41:40 PM , Rating: 1
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I would say getting some kind of health care plan passed


I would say the plan passed is a tragedy for America. I'm not a doctor but my Uncle-in-law is. He's been a practicing ER Physician for about thirty years. He recently left the hospital he has been working at for twenty five years as a direct result of this legislation.

Why?

Well, as it turns out, he tells us the burdens placed on him in the ER extend far beyond the benefit of the "patient" and instead are structured to benefit the "accountability" of the program. In the past, all services rendered in an Emergency Room were structured to benefit the patient and to give them the greatest odds of receiving effective treatment.

That has changed, dramatically. He told our family that prior to the reform, he was able to treat incoming patients immediately upon arriving on the premesis, thus rendering aid and care to stabilize and help them. Since the act, he can no longer do this expediently. He was being forced to watch people bleed out, die and suffer while slaving over a computer in a room full of other doctors doing the same thing before he could ever begin examining and helping them.

That's right--he couldn't rush to their aid if say they were shot, cut or near death and instead, had to enter and request items in the computer first (which took on average twelve to twenty minutes) before he could ever begin treatment. On top of that, supplies were no longer allowed to be carried in the ER and instead had to be carried in another part of the hospital, further delaying treatment.

The end result of the legislation as he sees it now is more patients dying instead of receiving the quick help they had been given in the past. He left his job recently and has found a new facility to practice at that has yet to adopt these changes... but, ultimately will have to as well.

How on earth can you say that this has been a positive effect knowing the above?


RE: Vote him out of the office
By BSMonitor on 2/29/12, Rating: 0
RE: Vote him out of the office
By MrBlastman on 2/29/2012 2:23:32 PM , Rating: 3
I don't make this up. I am quoting a real, licensed physician with twenty five years of experience in a particular hospital emergency room. Where is there room for me to make this up?

Are you a doctor?

Face it, what I said is fact.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 2:28:14 PM , Rating: 2
And I am quoting a real licensed doctor with 30 years of experience, it's fact because I said so!

Sorry guy, you need some evidence to claim something as a fact.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By MrBlastman on 2/29/2012 3:04:01 PM , Rating: 2
My evidence is a direct witness of approximately thirty years licensure as a Medical Doctor and twenty five of those spent at a specific, practicing facility. That is what we call a "credible witness."

If you care to refute it, it is up to YOU to provide factual proof and evidence to rebut mine. Mine is solid. Where's yours?

I have a second that is a practicing, licensed nurse at another facility. She has stated similar things to me as well. So that now makes two witnesses. Where are yours? I'm waiting!

I don't expect you to come up with one though, but, please, amuse me.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 3:30:11 PM , Rating: 2
I assert that you are making these witnesses up because it suits your benefit. Prove that you are not making these witnesses up and they are real people and not figments of your imagination. Remember that they aren't posting here telling us this, why should we take YOUR word for it?


RE: Vote him out of the office
By MrBlastman on 2/29/2012 4:08:38 PM , Rating: 2
Given my history here, I'd say there is plenty reason for others to believe I am not making this up. Take it for what you will but I am not making it up.

I have a question: Are you going to vote to re-elect Obama? Do you support him? From what I gather here, you do. Is this a fact?


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 5:51:04 PM , Rating: 2
Since he's the best candidate for the job, yes I'm going to vote for him, but my vote doesn't count anyway since I don't live in a swing state.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By MrBlastman on 2/29/2012 7:30:53 PM , Rating: 2
GT, you amuse me. I ask you to rebut my witness with one of your own and you can't. You never can. Ever. You consistently pull crap out of your backside over and over, so I'm now going to carefully ask you a follow-up question:

You seem to like our president from what I can tell. You consistenly defend him in these articles over and over. How is it then, you have said elsewhere--and these are your own words,

quote:
Believing that something exists when there is absolutely zero evidence is an indicator of a weak, inferior mind.


and

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Yes, and unless they're agnostics or atheists in this day and age, they're inferior and weak minded.


Source: corduroygt on 2/16/2012

Yet, our President, Mr. Obama, has been quoted saying,

quote:
I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life.


Source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Barack_Obama_a_born_a... (It's all over the net, not hard to find this quote)

How can you, someone who believes (I put words in your mouth here) they are of a superior mind... defend someone like our President when you have proclaimed he must be of weak, and feeble mind?

Doesn't that conflict with your beliefs, internally? Don't you see hypocrisy here? I know I do. What is it? Are you going to consistently dodge questions and challenges your entire life or are you going to finally come out and admit to everyone here that you are in fact... nothing more than a fraud? ;)


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 7:52:27 PM , Rating: 2
How can you be so disingenious? Obama is by far the least religious presidential candidate, so I'm going to vote for him. In a socially underdeveloped country where atheists are less trusted than rapists, he's the best we're going to get.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By The Raven on 2/29/2012 2:51:03 PM , Rating: 2
Though I hear what you are saying, and it may have been said by a physician...there are biased physicians out there. But even if I was the head of a hypothetical "Department of Letting-people-die-in-the-ER" I would save that person before I even thought of a computer. You just tell your buddy that we don't need fear mongering to show how wrong Obama/Romneycare is.

This story reminds me of this story...
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/loca...
quote:
" Well, if I was off duty I would know what I would do, but I think you're asking me my on-duty response and I would have to stay within our policies and procedures because that's what's required by our department to do," Alameda Fire Div. Chief Ricci Zombeck said when asked by ABC7 if he would enter the water to save a drowning child. Alameda firefighters could not even go into the water to get the body, so they waited until a woman in her 20s volunteered to bring the body back to the beach.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By MrBlastman on 2/29/2012 3:06:45 PM , Rating: 2
The doctor I mentioned in question is a long-time liberal as far as I know. Most of their family is, with the exception of one sibling.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 3/3/2012 9:57:43 PM , Rating: 2
The liberal or progressive wing of the Democratic Party is not an extremist fringe group.

--We want economic opportunity and democracy for everyone in America, not a plutocracy.
--We care about civil rights, justice, and the environment.
--We want America’s military power to be used wisely, not recklessly.
--We embrace education, science, technology, and the separation of church and state.
--We want the American economy to thrive in a complex, globalized world.
--We know that to be a strong nation, we need a strong and effective federal government.
--We are more pragmatic than idealistic, and we don’t follow a rigid ideology.

There’s nothing extreme about any of that. We aren’t radicals or revolutionaries, and we haven’t been moving farther and farther to the left. We’ve been staying put, while ‘centrist’ and ‘conservative’ Democrats have been drifting to the right and the Republican Party has moved very far to the right.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/29/2012 2:07:32 PM , Rating: 3
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3) Lying to the American public about that threat, claiming there was overwhelming evidence that they were a nuclear/biological threat


Like has been pointed out before, if it could proven then it would've been. You got nothin', unless you think Nancy Pelosi is a closet conservative.

quote:
5) Doing nothing when the worst weather related disaster in U.S. history threatened to wipe out New Orleans


Neighboring states got battered just as badly; the difference was with state preparedness and response. Most gulf states, like Florida, have LONG had robust programs in place. Louisiana slacked. Mayor Nagin had to beg and plead for the Democrat governor to cede to federal authorities for disaster relief; it was largely Blanco's fault. She pretended she had her act together. Dont let historical record get in the way of your hate, though.

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6) Setting up the economy for the worst economic turn short of the great depression


Inflationary monetary policy with Greenspan, Fannie and Freddie who had large measures bipartisan support (though some Republicans did try reform early in the 2000s), and a cult of home-ownership and tax codes that heavily encourages it. Those were long term problems predating Bush. I also don't recall hearing Democrats calling from the rooftops about lax mortgage underwriting; they in many cases reinforced it, pushing banks to loan to the poor. It's rather hard to pin blame on one guy, but sure, go ahead and try to prove it.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By BSMonitor on 2/29/2012 2:33:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Like has been pointed out before, if it could proven then it would've been. You got nothin', unless you think Nancy Pelosi is a closet conservative.


So then he isn't lying, just grossly incompetent.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By The Raven on 2/29/2012 2:41:22 PM , Rating: 2
Though I agree with you on the ineptitude of Bush...
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preventing the 2nd great depression
I'd say delaying, at best. Nothing has changed to prevent history from repeating itself all over again.
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saving 2 million auto worker jobs
You mean union jobs...Oh and GM, Chrysler? I could do without them. Oh and Bush is the one who actually did this.
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setting up regulations on greedy bankers and wall street cronies
Wait who was bailed out, and by whom? That is right, reckless companies by Bush as President and Obama as Senator. And how many people have been arrested as a result of all the fraud? Madoff (who had little to do with the crisis but exemplified the problems in the market) and maybe one or two others from the last I heard. Oh and Fannie Mae who partially fueled this whole thing is more endeared by the presidency than ever (and BTW is asking for another 4.6mil bailout which is all but guaranteed to happen). Regulations? To hell with regulations. They need to enforce the LAWS already established, and not just slap people on the wrist and throw money at them!
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putting us on a path to remove our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan
Obama was the one saying we should get further into Afghanistan. And actually did increase our efforts there greatly. And Bush had a plan to get out of the region as well. Do you assume that if Obama had been the one to attack Afghanistan that we would have been out of there by 2004? Yeah right.
quote:
killing the terrorist from the last President's f'up
1) 9/11 wasn't Bush's fault. The US had been enacting f'ed up foreign policies since before the cold war. How do you think we ended up in that to begin with? 9/11 was a culmination of that and not Bush's fault alone. And killing Osama? Weren't we all in disbelief when Bush couldn't get him? Now Obama is a war hero because he did? In the words of Greg Giraldo,"but we can't find an 8'5" terrorist with kidney failure..."http://comedians.jokes.com/greg-giraldo/videos/gre...

So no, I don't think anyone should hold him in any particularly high regard.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By vol7ron on 2/29/2012 12:46:54 AM , Rating: 1
I hate to reply because this article is more politically charged than the Volt.

The problem that most Americans don't see with presidents are the things they push that don't make it through the House/Senate. You might think that, "well if it didn't pass, then our system is working", but the truth is, its just simply dangerous... because sometimes they do get in and then those loopholes you hear about creep out, which puts more $$ in politicians pockets and less in the hard-working american. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I thought the role of politicians is to do public good, to represent their constituents, not get rich.

Yes, put Clinton in office. Because her husband did a great job in Africa, when Osama Bin Laden was bombing the US Embassy before 9/11, and he stood by and did nothing. Actually, that's wrong, he called for a retreat. Many liberals scream for peace, they're pacifists; I'm not saying I don't want it, but I can at least acknowledge that I can't trust other nations have the same intentions at this point in time. I won't leave my kids alone with a convicted pedophile; I won't trust extremists.

So I hated participating w/ such pointless commentary (I know I won't sway anyone's opinions), but at least its nice to vent. DailyTECH, you won this one :)


RE: Vote him out of the office
By wordsworm on 2/28/2012 7:35:06 PM , Rating: 1
I agree with both of you. Romney is much better than Bush or McCain. Obama's also done a pretty good job of steering the US out of the mess that Bush II had made of everything. I'd be comfortable with either of them as president.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 2/28/12, Rating: -1
RE: Vote him out of the office
By Dan Banana on 2/28/2012 7:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
Keep the crazy hope alive as long as you can but please stay away from the razor blades the day after the election.

Let's see, we have Romney who is a robotic version of whoever his focus groups tell him to be. In other words a complete fraud fronting for the same Wall St. power groups that nearly bankrupted the country's economy through fraud. Let's not even get into the wildly bizarre doctrine and beliefs of the Mormon religion. Then there's Gingrich who is more of the same but at least he has a pulse under his corpulent pandering D.C insider exterior. Santorum is a current fave of the conservative faithful but geeze wouldn't you rather have someone from this century not the 19th? Ron Paul is at least human but come on what's up with his racist newsletter writings in the 90s? And his son, who is being groomed to follow on from daddy is more Mr. Roboto in a crazy capitalist suit. The whole lot is completely bonkers and certifiable and whatever they say on the issues therefore cannot be trusted. You're not going to see any of these Republican candidates guys driving a Chevy Volt, ever.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 2/28/12, Rating: -1
RE: Vote him out of the office
By MotoAsh on 2/28/2012 8:27:29 PM , Rating: 5
Obama doesn't have to be great or even good. He just has to look better than the other candidate(s). At the rate everyone is going, that is going to be one damn easy task.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 2/28/12, Rating: -1
RE: Vote him out of the office
By lagomorpha on 2/28/2012 8:59:48 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It's going to be hard to "look good" against anyone given his record as President.


On the other hand there were people executed at the Nuremberg Trials that look good when placed next to Santorum.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 2/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: Vote him out of the office
By lagomorpha on 2/28/2012 9:12:48 PM , Rating: 3
I didn't call him a Nazi, I implied that there are Nazis that scare me less than he does. Many of them were practicing Catholics but they didn't all attempt to discourage college education in order to protect faith.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 2/28/12, Rating: -1
RE: Vote him out of the office
By lagomorpha on 2/28/2012 10:17:50 PM , Rating: 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjbJOSwq3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

You seem to have the misconception that I care about Social Security, Welfare, or even prefer the Democratic party. None of these are the case, I find almost as many things I dislike about both parties. When Santorum comes out and says that contraception harms women and causes long term damage to society or that colleges are places for students to be indoctrinated by liberal professors it's frightening anyone takes him seriously as a candidate.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 12:12:45 AM , Rating: 1
That's what you get when 40% of the US population believes that the Earth is LITERALLY 6000 years old. Those people should not be allowed to BREED let alone vote on the basis of being mentally handicapped, and we'd have a much better country today.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Schrag4 on 2/29/2012 12:49:25 PM , Rating: 2
Do you have a source for that statistic? I don't think it's accurate. And besides, there are much more dangerous things that people on the far left and the far right believe. Most of them have to do with the notion that we have to give up freedoms to be safe from food, muslims, guns, banks, sexuality, and global warming (notice I've included hot-button issues from both sides). I'll take a "mentally handicapped" new-earth creationist over a genius if the creationist won't try to legistlate away my freedoms.

...and no, I don't believe the earth is 6000 years old...


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Boingo Twang on 2/29/2012 12:05:54 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
This is just more of the typical fear mongering Republicans get bashed with, yawn. They're going to take away your Social Security, they're going to take away Wellfare. They're going to push your dear old granny off a cliff in her wheelchair. They're going to remove education and usher in a religious martial law. They're going to be big and meanie and bla bla bla.


That's not fear-mongering, that's just standard Republican reality. They've stated as much (without your hyperbole) on these issues. I don't think most Americans want to live in the economically stratified religious-fear-fascist-police state run by a tiny elite with a tiny middle class and modeled after say Pinochet's Chile that a Republican majority would give us. What is "Wellfare" btw?


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Dorkyman on 2/29/2012 1:31:00 AM , Rating: 2
?

Living in parallel universes, I guess.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 1:33:47 AM , Rating: 3
Here is the poll, read it and weep:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145286/Four-Americans-B...

Almost half of the US public is not even fit for voting due to a SEVERE lack of mental capacity and intelligence yet they get a vote.


By OneArmedScissorB on 2/29/2012 12:45:18 PM , Rating: 2
Oh gourd. I always just closed my eyes and told myself that was a vocal minority of old people that would be gone forever within a few years. :(


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 3:03:48 PM , Rating: 2
Sadly Corduroygt, that poll doesn't really say what you think it does.

Examine the Question and Choices

In 2010, 4/10 people surveyed by Gallup, indicated that the statement closest to their personal belief is that "God created humans being pretty much in thier present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so"

Or in other words, Modern Humans are a relatively recent invention and a "God" had a direct hand in fashioning modern humans.

Given that Human Writing is about 10,000 years old, a written history is ~5,000 years old, it might not really be unreasonable to hold the belief that sometime within the past 10,000 years, "God" made a fundamental change to humans in one go that altered Homo Sapiens from little more than an advanced Ape to a modern Human. Afterall, the fossil records indicate Homo Sapiens originally developed genetically around 200,000+ years ago. Consider the progress made from 200,000-190,000 years ago contrasted with the progress made from 10,000-2,000 years ago, and then from 2000 year ago to now.

Jared Diamond, who I really doubt is a closet Christian Fundamentalist, essentially makes an arguement that something very fundamental changed in humans around 50,000 years ago. He doesn't ascribe it to "God" of course

Gallup itself goes out on a Limb "4/10 people believe in Creationism as presented in the Book of Gensis" in thier conclusion... but based on the presented question, they didn't show that at all!


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 3:43:48 PM , Rating: 3
Thanks for the correction, but here's another study that shows 3 out of 10 people in the US, 42% of Republicans and 27% of Democrats take the Bible LITERALLY...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148427/Say-Bible-Litera...

These people are unfit to vote IMHO.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 4:24:51 PM , Rating: 2
Much better question by Gallup.

I wonder though at the 16% of people who seldom/never go to church but still believe the Bible is the literal word of "God"

Or the 5% that claim no religion, yet believe it's the literal word of "God"

Or how about 27% of Democrats believe its the "Literal" Word of "God"?

How about this one:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/145379/Religious-Americ...

Religious people are Healthier People! Maybe the Government ought to support Religion are part of a Healthcare push?

Got to be careful there corduroygt, apparently even 14% of people who describe themselves as "liberal" believe the Bible is actual words of "God". Who to vote for!?! Even a Liberal Democrat could believe that the Bible is -literally- true or if not true, inspired by "God".


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 5:55:54 PM , Rating: 2
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I wonder though at the 16% of people who seldom/never go to church but still believe the Bible is the literal word of "God"

Or the 5% that claim no religion, yet believe it's the literal word of "God"


Satanists, obviously... :)

All joking aside, I'll go with the lower likeliness of being a religious nutcase...


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 7:24:44 PM , Rating: 2
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All joking aside, I'll go with the lower likeliness of being a religious nutcase...


You seem to profess a zero tolerence approach to religion. But how about the large number of devotely religious people that agree with most of your personal views on government/society? If they are mentally handicapped to the point they should not be allowed to vote, and they choose the same course as you, wouldn't that suggest your brain functions in the -same- fashion as this religious devote person?


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 8:02:26 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure everyone here had some belief or ideology in common with Hitler or another evil dictator too. Doesn't mean anything.

About your question, I'm sure many of those religious people who share my views would become atheists/agnostics if they were raised in a different environment for a long enough period. 74% of UK is non-religious for example.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 8:40:44 PM , Rating: 2
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74% of UK is non-religious for example.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Census...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_athei...

So sorry.

Surveys say that ~75%+ British claim to belong to an organized religion.

Only ~20% profess belief in "non-religion"

I am curious though 72% self-identify as Christians, yet only 38% profess a belief in "God"

So either people lie about thier religioun, lie about their belief in a "God" or a good 34% are totally hypocritical claiming both a real belong to christianity while not believing in any "God". And this is -preferable- how?

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I'm sure everyone here had some belief or ideology in common with Hitler or another evil dictator too. Doesn't mean anything.


Come now. Your basing the vast majority of your critism on correlation and shared viewpoints. But I see that arguement is only valid when it -doesn't- include you?

Either Religion leads people astray or it doesn't. If a large fraction of Liberal Democrats identify that they believe every single word of the Bible is literally what happened, according to the -same- rationale you have presented everywhere else, it must mean that Liberal Democrat views are products of weak/feeble minds and shouldn't be tolerated.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 8:42:33 PM , Rating: 2
Your links are outdated, here's a more recent one:
http://labs.yougov.co.uk/news/2012/02/17/britain-c...

The christian self identity situation in Britain is unique and it's because they don't want Muslim culture to overtake their country, so even though 76% are non-religious, 56% want Britain to be a Christian country because they don't want the muslim influence take over, which is much worse since Islam is a more strict, hardcore fundementalist religion by its nature.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 8:45:57 PM , Rating: 2
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If a large fraction of Liberal Democrats identify that they believe every single word of the Bible is literally what happened, according to the -same- rationale you have presented everywhere else, it must mean that Liberal Democrat views are products of weak/feeble minds and shouldn't be tolerated

A much larger fraction of Conservatives identify that they take the bible literally. Since in this country you only have two choices in terms of legitimate political partisanship, I'll go with the Liberal Democrats who are less bad than Conservatives.

I appreciate that you feel sorry for me because I don't have my perfect world though...


RE: Vote him out of the office
By TSS on 2/29/2012 8:42:01 AM , Rating: 3
Funny how it never is an option for you americans to vote a 3rd party. Or to run for president yourself. Even if you have no experience.

You're still going to do better then either of those shills. And you can appoint your own advisors rather then have to take the recommendation of a consortium of banks (Obama's crew was entirely goldman sachs). If you tell them "you listen to me, and i say, the good of the people comes first" they have to listen. You're the boss.

From what information i've gotten about the american elections here in europe (and that's alot because there's litteraly no news here aside from the EU crisis) it's gotta be childish simplistic to win on a basis of common sense.

Campaign with tax increases, spending cuts, a message that it will be hard for all, but that you will actually FIX the problem. As long as you use common sense as your campaign platform you've already won all the debates - they can't give a straight awnser, or it won't make sense. Your entire campaign is making sense. With things like youtube, facebook and twitter, PR is no longer a problem. You're not bound by TV!

C'mon now people. It's not that hard. If neither candidates fit, FIND ANOTHER CANDIDATE!


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Kurz on 2/29/2012 9:41:35 AM , Rating: 2
There is a Canidadate...
Ron Paul.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By OneArmedScissorB on 2/29/2012 1:02:39 PM , Rating: 2
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Campaign with tax increases...


No, no, and hell no. Counting entitlement program taxes, we already take about 20% minimum of even poor peoples' income at just the federal level .

That's not counting state and local taxes, which are highly regressive and also hit people with less money harder, like gas taxes.

And what do we get? Pilferred trust funds, including those with "dedicated" taxes, like Social Security. Year after year of massive deficit spending. Multiple undeclared wars. Thousands of crony subsidies and crony bailouts. A healthcare system that spends more money than anyone and sees inferior results.

The problem is that we're already blindly throwing money at it, and hoping that will make it go away. It just gives us more of the same.

We have much more accountable state governments with balanced budget requirements, and yet, we aren't even allowed to use them anymore.

Please people, regardless of your political affiliation and your expectations of government, realize that it's your state's job.

Every time you ask for the federal government to "fix" something, it's just going to get worse.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 1:38:23 PM , Rating: 2
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No, no, and hell no. Counting entitlement program taxes, we already take about 20% minimum of even poor peoples' income at just the federal level .


Since ~50% of US citizens pay no Federal Income taxes, I am pretty sure the "minimum" amount being is more like 12-14%. Since the poorest get EIC paypacks, some of the poorest get very close to 0% Federal taxation in the form of Income Taxes and FICA.

In fact, the CBO estimates the Lower 20% pay on average 3.9% Federal Tax Burden with the Upper 5% pay on average ~21%. (The Upper 1% only pay around 21% on average)

Seems like your statement should be reversed, very few people pay more than 20% in Federal Taxation.

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That's not counting state and local taxes, which are highly regressive and also hit people with less money harder, like gas taxes.


No. I am pretty sure most State and Local taxes are not "regressive". For example a 5% Flat State Income tax is not regressive. Most State and Local taxes are not significantly Progressive. Though, most "Local" taxes (in terms of dollar figures) are collected through property taxes and fees... which seems almost progressive. Its also fairly hard to argue that something like a gas tax is fundamentally a regressive tax, since gas is not a fundamental "right" and from which the road system is supposed to be maintained. IE, the Gas Tax is really a usage fee collect from users relative to their voluntary usage.

You are confused.

Here are some true "regressive" taxes.

Food Tax - (Food must be consumed)
Poll Tax - (Voting is a fundamental right)
Flat Occupancy Tax - I've paid this
Flat Employment Tax - I've paid this
Employment Insurance Tax- I've paid this


RE: Vote him out of the office
By OneArmedScissorB on 2/29/2012 3:11:19 PM , Rating: 2
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In fact, the CBO estimates the Lower 20% pay on average 3.9% Federal Tax Burden


3.9% income tax + 15.3% entitlement taxes = 19.2%

While many with no disposable income escape the income tax portion, not all do, and not every single year.

It's very small even with minimal deductions, and more of a distraction than an issue.

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Since the poorest get EIC paypacks, some of the poorest get very close to 0% Federal taxation in the form of Income Taxes and FICA.


The povery rate is about 14-15% and has historically been near that amount.

Poor people are not just "the poorest." That describes mostly those unable to hold down a job, which is irrelevant to the subject of income tax.

quote:
Its also fairly hard to argue that something like a gas tax is fundamentally a regressive tax...


Regressive as a proportion of income. That describes any flat sales tax. If you find that "hard to argue," I can't help you there.

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...since gas is not a fundamental "right" and from which the road system is supposed to be maintained.


I don't recall anything that tax money goes to being a "fundamental right," which is precisely the problem with taking 1/5 of a struggling person's income by force.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 3:30:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
3.9% income tax + 15.3% entitlement taxes = 19.2%


Sadly, no. This is Income + FICA + Others - Corporate Income

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ft...

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The povery rate is about 14-15% and has historically been near that amount.

Poor people are not just "the poorest." That describes mostly those unable to hold down a job, which is irrelevant to the subject of income tax.


Fair enough. The first group to get taxed 20% is ... the upper 40%! I am fairly sure when you said "poor" you ment to exclude this upper 40% right? Unless we are defining nearly everyone as "poor".

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Regressive as a proportion of income. That describes any flat sales tax. If you find that "hard to argue," I can't help you there.


Hm. When something is a voluntary purchase, its hard for something to be truely "Regressive". In practice, its very hard not to purchase gas in the United States, but in -theory- gasoline tax is a user fee.

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I don't recall anything that tax money goes to being a "fundamental right," which is precisely the problem with taking 1/5 of a struggling person's income by force.


Really? 0% goes to National Defense or 0% of National Defense goes to "fundamental rights"? 0% goes to support elections? I am sorry, that doesn't wash at all.

Well, again, taking 1/5 doesn't happen till your well above the Median Income line... which I wouldn't define as struggling. Its also hard to see how for most of the poor don't benefit significantly in the long run from Medicare and Social Security. I am sorry, but if you spend you life making less than 40,000 in nominal income, these programs are -FANTASTIC- deals.

I am sorry, the lower 40% contribute around 5% of total federal revenues and consume more than 30% of the services. Boo Hoo.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 1:15:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Funny how it never is an option for you americans to vote a 3rd party.


Since the founding of the United States, there are typically two major national political parties. Given the historical evidence, it seems that under the US Constitution, the US electorial system, geographical and cultural spread of the Citzendry, that a two party system is the national equilibrium point.

One of the biggest "issues" is that US elections are based on a Winner Take All direct repersentation model.

Contrast that with say the Netherlands that has a thriving multi-party system. Both Legislative bodies at a National Level are sourced from party election system.

The consquence of this is that in Netherlands, a political party that has roughly 10-20% of the population's support gains a real say in voting on legistislation (between 10-20% of the votes). In the United States, a similiar party might get 6 or so seats out of the roughly 650 available (less than 1% of the vote). Thus, political parties that can not gain more than 25% of the electorate support rarely form on a National Level.

The US population would not be comfortable voting for a party which then staffed positions in the Congress for example.

Ideally, the US system would encourage individual repersentatives to form more independant platforms and vote their individual platforms rather than the party line. The Netherlands system on the other hand, would encourage the politicians to toe the party line much more often. This is what is truely ment by ending "bi-partisanship", IE create an enviroment in Washington DC that allows individual reps to vote their personal platforms.

quote:
With things like youtube, facebook and twitter, PR is no longer a problem. You're not bound by TV!


Keep in mind the majority of the US voters don't get their news from youtube/facebook/twitter.

quote:
Campaign with tax increases, spending cuts, a message that it will be hard for all, but that you will actually FIX the problem. As long as you use common sense as your campaign platform you've already won all the debates - they can't give a straight awnser, or it won't make sense.


Self-interest. Given that to get any real political power in the US, a party must appeal to more than 40% of the voters, and the get the support of the party, a canidate must give the impression he appeals to more than 40% of the voters, there is significant pressure to pander. The message "I will make things better for you and worse for the other guys" has always sold farely well.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By sigmatau on 2/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/28/2012 9:27:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
only state positives of your party and no negatives of the other party.


That's not hard..

a) A focus on individual responsibility and liberty
b) A belief that the founders had it right in restricting the role of federal government and thus an abiding faith in the constitution
c) A belief that we are treated as we demand to be treated and, therefore, a vigorous foreign policy and national defense
d) A belief (among most of the right at least) in what was the guiding economic theory of the countries founders and a system unsurpassed in success: free market economics
e) Primacy of the needs of man over the needs of lesser species, at least to the degree we can save ourselves because heaven forbid a wind turbine strike some birds.
d) Meritocracy, versus affirmative action
f) An admission that the government has promised more than it can ever hope to deliver in terms of future welfare benefits (Social Security & Medicare primarily), and a strong desire to fix it
g) Tied in with the last, a multitude of plans with different ways of tackling the looming debt & deficit problems
h) School reform (such as the partial reform done by Jeb in FL, as well as charter schools)
i) Labor policies that have encouraged job growth in places like Texas, unlike those in, say, Michigan

It's impossible to list some traits without mentioning the other parties opposite position as useful contrast, though I think I tried not to pass too much judgement. Additionally, not pretending the implementation of any of those would be perfect, but if you think, for example, the Volcker Rule, which should consume no more than a page and yet is 800+ pages in length, is implemented efficiently then you're nuts.

But hey, whatever. I'm sure it helps you feel better about your self when you think you're intellectually unassailable by your foes.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By wordsworm on 2/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: Vote him out of the office
By StormyKnight on 2/29/2012 12:23:33 AM , Rating: 5
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intolerance for race and religion that isn't Christian
quote:
You forgot blind hatred of non-whites,

All Republicans? All of them?? Citation needed. What is your verifiable source?
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a belief that the earth is 5,000 or so years of age,

Not all evangelicals are Republican and not all Republicans are evangelicals. Unless of course you can prove otherwise.
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intolerance for race and religion that isn't Christian

Because, y'know those pesky Israelis who happen to be one of our best allies are nothing but closet Christians. Really, though a citation from a verifiable source please.
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and a belief that dropping bombs on people will usher in world peace.

Yeah, because we never launched over 100 cruise missiles into Libya under Obama's watch, nor did we take part in any military action in Bosnia when Clinton was trying to distract the country from his marital indiscretions.

Come on now, you paint broad generalizations with a brush big enough to cover the side of a barn with one swipe.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Zingam on 2/29/2012 12:48:11 AM , Rating: 2
Actually you are allies to the Israelis and not the other way around. :D
I would say you would have been better of being an ally to Saddam than being ally to Israel.

I am not an Arab or something but just try to think logically. You have 120 million or more Arabs and you are enemies to them because you support something like 4-5 million Israelis.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By StormyKnight on 2/29/2012 4:01:48 AM , Rating: 2
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Actually you are allies to the Israelis and not the other way around.

Really? Explain.
quote:
I would say you would have been better of being an ally to Saddam than being ally to Israel.

We were for awhile, but nothing close to the alliance we share with Israel. We supported Saddam because he was at war with Iran at the time. So, should we have been allies with Saddam even after he invaded Kuwait?
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I am not an Arab or something but just try to think logically. You have 120 million or more Arabs and you are enemies to them because you support something like 4-5 million Israelis.

Actually Israel's population is just over 7.5 million. Where do you get the numbers for how many Arabs that are America's enemies? Some verifiable source would be most helpful.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 2:23:48 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Not all evangelicals are Republican and not all Republicans are evangelicals. Unless of course you can prove otherwise

Of course not all, but over half of people voting republican are morons compared to just over 1/3 of people voting democrat. Also, you have a 1 in 5 chance of actually encountering a person with above average intelligence amongst Democrats, whereas that probability goes down to 8% with Republicans.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145286/four-americans-b...


RE: Vote him out of the office
By StormyKnight on 2/29/2012 4:09:45 AM , Rating: 2
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Of course not all, but over half of people voting republican are morons compared to just over 1/3 of people voting democrat.

Personally, I believe both are in the 50% range.
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Also, you have a 1 in 5 chance of actually encountering a person with above average intelligence amongst Democrats

I find this difficult to believe considering who we have in the Oval Office at this time. I'd like to see how intelligent our President is, but for now (and probably forever) he refuses to release his college transcripts.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 7:21:59 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Personally, I believe both are in the 50% range.

Your personal beliefs mean nothing next to gallup poll results that I posted, sorry.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Kurz on 2/29/2012 9:37:11 AM , Rating: 2
Just because you can be wrong in one area of science doesn't mean you are completely wrong everywhere else.

There are plenty of Creationist Scientists that contribute signficiantly to their field. To label a Creationist a moron even if they are more learned than you are is complete elistism on your part.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 10:52:17 AM , Rating: 3
A real scientist living in the world of today will not believe in myths such as creation and certainly will not believe the earth is 10000 years old.

They may not accept evolution because they don't think there's enough evidence, but certainly they're not going to go ahead and say creation is how it happened, since there is ZERO credible scientific evidence for that. Any scientist who defends creation TODAY is not a real scientist.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By guest234 on 2/29/2012 4:45:16 AM , Rating: 2
Woodrow Wilson one of if not our smartest president, who was in academia most of his life and had a Doctorate was also one of our worst presidents. He not only lead us into a world war we had little direct interest in. Not only did he involve us in the war he also put us there at one of the least useful points, after most of northern France was decimated and the war was practically over. While in office refused to give up his position in the last days of his life after he had a stroke and was mentally incompetent by that point, his wife ended up having to preform his duties. Being intelligent doesn't mean you make the wisest decisions or make you a great president.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By lagomorpha on 2/29/2012 11:22:07 AM , Rating: 2
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Woodrow Wilson one of if not our smartest president, who was in academia most of his life and had a Doctorate was also one of our worst presidents.


Woodrow Wilson's doctorate was in history and political science not an actual science. Theodore Roosevelt published professionally in Ornithology when he was 18. Both these points are moot because the plural of anecdote is not data.

Having a significant amount of education not not a guarantee you will be a good leader, but being completely scientifically illiterate will guarantee you will be a bad President in the 21st century where an increasing number of significant issues revolve around how we use technology.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Rott3nHIppi3 on 2/29/2012 11:32:06 AM , Rating: 2
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Of course not all, but over half of people voting republican are morons compared to just over 1/3 of people voting democrat.


You realize you just tried to make the argument that 33% is BETTER than 50%.. right? That statement alone makes you sound like the bigger moron. Regardless, your comment seems to imply half of all Republicans are morons whilst the entire 1/3 democrats are intelligent super human beings.

Dems are primarily made up of filthy rich white people, dirt poor african americans, and hispanics. Is that where you're pulling that 1/3 from. Sounds Racist!!!

Now here's a lil news flash for ya. While Bill Clinton was in office (first term), his economy tanked. Then Republicans took over house and senate; economy thrived. During GWB's first term, Economy soared to record levels. After Dems took over the Senate, economy tanked. During Obama's first 2 years in office, Economy tanked. Repubs won the House and interestingly enough, dems are running around celebrating Obama's "Recovery." Weird, eh?

Regardless, lets look at the brilliant (non-bible thumping) list of Democratic leadership/Personalities. READY?

1. Al Sharpton (Reverend)
2. Jesse Jackson (Reverend)
3. Rev. Jeremiah Wright (Crazy religious)
4. Robert Byrd (KKK)
5. Harry Reid (Cowboy Poet)
6. Al Gore (Sore loser monopolizing on your stupidity)
7. Nacy Pelosi (Super rich, but deeply sympathizes with you)
8. Strohm Thurman (Segregationist Democrat from '48 to '60)
9. Bill Clinton (lol.. I don't even have to say anything really)
10. Elliot Spitzer (Sex Starved)
11. John Edwards (Sex Starved and wanted more children apparantly)
12. Anthony Wiener (better looking with his shirt off)
13. David Wu (I'm a sex tiger, baby)
14. John Kerry (Hell yeah, raise taxes -just not on my boat)
15. Chuck Schumer (pffff)
16. Tom Daschel (I didn't know Dems had to pay taxes too!)
17. Barney Frank (The foot under the stall is me!)
18. Snooky!
19. Steven Chu (High gas prices is necessary to push forward)
20. Howard Dean (Heeeeaaaawwwww!!!!!!)
21. Obama (Perhaps the epitome of everything that's wrong with liberals)

I really could go on if you like....

Don't forget to visit "http://obamapromisetracker.com" to catch all the ass-ploding hypocrisy on the left!


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Rott3nHIppi3 on 2/29/2012 11:34:25 AM , Rating: 2
Ignore my 50% / 33%. Read it wrong when I posted that (stupid not being able to edit)!!


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/29/2012 12:46:54 PM , Rating: 2
Tiresome that half-legitimate debate gets lowered, reliably, by you corduroygt to attacks on intellect, racism, and non-issue religious matters, with slander like "war criminals" that, if it could be backed up with fact, your party would've long since pursued in court and Congress. I've pressed you many times to support wild-assed accusations, but all you ever come up with is surveys of opinion; never quotes, never legal findings, never economic data or research, etc.

Even more, you take surveys to support your bigotry and assume a smarter person is by default correct. Marx was highly intelligent, and yet totally refuted by his peers and subsequent economists. Washington helped forge the country, but in most respects was a half-assed military mind at best. Intelligent people, of which I'd never say Democrats have anything close to a monopoly, can still take intellectually lazy and half-baked positions, just like you.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 12:55:06 PM , Rating: 2
Being intelligent is obviously no guarantee for success. However they are more likely to be a better candidate for a job than one who believes the earth is 10000 years old today, unless that job is in a church.

Think of it as a disqualification reason. Many police agencies instantly disqualify people with drug use from applying for a job, and a belief that the world is 10000 years old is the same. It should disqualify you from being a rational human being, which should be required to vote.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By BSMonitor on 2/29/2012 2:10:22 PM , Rating: 2
Right. The bubble.

Science is WRONG about the age of the Earth. It, .. Oh wait, hold on, we are boarding Air Force One now, .. What, you want to use government grant to build a anti-matter reactor .. I'll have to get back to you, call me on my iPhone later .. Damn those video calls, my hair look all right? .. What we were talking about? Oh right, Science, yeah, they got it all wrong.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 4:40:40 PM , Rating: 2
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Think of it as a disqualification reason. Many police agencies instantly disqualify people with drug use from applying for a job, and a belief that the world is 10000 years old is the same. It should disqualify you from being a rational human being, which should be required to vote.


But by the -same- standard, I would disqualify you. Your not a rational human either. Thats not how "Democracy" works or even a Marxist Society.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 2/29/2012 5:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
I really don't understand how this Cord guy can spew unsubstantiated and barely ineligible hate-speech. 100% bigoted nonsense, and not get rated down here. Seriously, what's going on? Seems like saying a group of people arbitrarily shouldn't be able to vote, for whatever fallacious reason, is completely based in nothing more than idle prejudice.

Hey I can dig up some polls that suggest women are less intelligent and less informed about politics than men. Therefore women shouldn't be able to vote! Now seriously, if I actually tried to make that argument, I would be rated and flamed down. It's anti-American entirely.

DT needs to suspend the ratings system or refine it somehow. It's unacceptable that his type of offensive, bigoted hate speech and insane view of Democracy isn't moderated.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 6:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
I know that's not how democracy works and it'd be pretty impossible to implement as well, so I wasn't seriously suggesting that. I just think of those people as being barely above the evolution ladder compared to monkeys that's all.

A more reasonable legislation would be make churches start paying for all those property taxes they've been getting a free ride on. The world will never have peace and reason as long as religion exists. Religion should be eradicated from the US public, just like smallpox.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Spuke on 2/29/2012 12:45:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You forgot blind hatred of non-whites, a belief that the earth is 5,000 or so years of age, intolerance for race and religion that isn't Christian, and a belief that dropping bombs on people will usher in world peace.
Last I checked we were still in Afghanistan. Also, Guantanamo Bay is open for business as well. Not too many Anglo's in either of those places I'd imagine. The KKK used to be democrats too (might still be). Save the racism accusations for people that deserve it.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Rott3nHIppi3 on 2/29/2012 12:12:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Last I checked we were still in Afghanistan. Also, Guantanamo Bay is open for business as well.


Not just open... but got brand new soccer court to boot. Doesn't sound like its destined to be closed any time soon. Why would it? It's almost better than a 4 star hotel!


RE: Vote him out of the office
By BSMonitor on 2/29/2012 3:09:32 PM , Rating: 2
Weird, wonder what we had been doing for the past 8 years that got in the way of fixing Afghanistan.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 12:15:26 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry that's Ron Paul, who is as different from the republican candidates as Obama, and definitely not the bible-thumping racist baby-killing (but only after they're born!) republican party of today.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By webstorm1 on 2/29/2012 9:31:44 AM , Rating: 2
This is the biggest problem with the Republican party. Most Republicans aren't even paying atention to the fact that they aren't Republicans. Take this quiz:

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

Most of the things you've mentioned here prove that you are, in fact, a Libertarian. Get on board with the political party you agree with. The only people who aren't probably closer aligned with Libertarians are those that are (overly) religious.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/29/2012 12:36:35 PM , Rating: 2
If everyone narrowly broke down along ideological lines, there'd be a dozen parties and we'd have muddled European-style rule. At least if we changed the system; keeping the current one, it'd open the door for even more extremists to squeak in with minority vote shares by splitting main party votes. There's no reason at all why Republican's can't battle for the soul of the party; the Tea Party has been very effective in playing their part in the primary process. More radical Democrats have sidelined long-time moderate Democrats through the same process, with the notable failure to silence whatshisname... Doesn't matter, he's retiring, but that Jewish Senator.

Might not be satisfying, but the muddy politics of managing coalitions is part of government.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 2/29/2012 5:35:05 PM , Rating: 1
Libertarian isn't even a party though. How can you expect Conservatives (Republicans) to identify themselves with a party that hasn't won a major election in, what, 100 years?

The "Tea Party" represents Conservatives more than the current Republican party leadership. But what's that say about the Libertarian message when a party that's barely a few years old already holds more sway with more voters?

And that quiz is interesting, but I feel that's it's too brief. An issue as complicated and overlapping as this can't really be decided in 10 questions in my opinion. They also conveniently left out specific Libertarian issues that I think most people might balk on. For example I notice there's no question that states "Do you believe we should repeal Federal Civil Rights legislation?"

No offense, but the simplicity and nature at which that quiz was worded seems to be set up so that most people taking it get the result that they are "Libertarian".

The site also seems to be confused about Conservatism

quote:
Conservatives tend to favor economic freedom, but frequently support laws to restrict personal behavior that violates "traditional values."


As a long time Conservative, I cannot recall any time where I supported an over-arching Federal response to restrict personal behaviors. People are often confused on where we stand on such things. Often, we're against the Government mandating or using tax payer money to support a practice that goes against our "traditional values". But that's a very different thing than claiming we would use the Government to restrict freedom. We simply don't feel the Government's job is to insert itself into these social issues with taxpayer money or legislation.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 5:48:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But that's a very different thing than claiming we would use the Government to restrict freedom. We simply don't feel the Government's job is to insert itself into these social issues with taxpayer money or legislation.


Hrm.

Your opinion has been noted that Santorum does the best job "expressing Conservatism"

Yet

"Santorum, however, stood by his comments, even as he said they had been taken out of context. He said that if states were not allowed to regulate homosexual activity in private homes, "you leave open the door for a variety of other sexual activities to occur within the home and not be regulated.""

http://articles.cnn.com/2003-04-23/politics/santor...

He seems to feel that there ought to be State Laws prohibiting consensual homosexuality, "adultery", etc. From there is a small jump to Federal Laws. From sexuality, what's next? Santorum is a bit of a nut job, but its also hard to say he's not a "conservative".


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 2/29/2012 6:02:05 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Your opinion has been noted that Santorum does the best job "expressing Conservatism"


I don't believe I said that. And if I did, I was speaking about economic issues, not social ones.

I also said Santorumn wouldn't get the nomination anyway.

But by all means, find something, anything, to argue with me about. Thanks for also ignoring the other 99% of my message.

You're pretty much using the same method used against Ron Paul when he said he would repeal the Civil Rights Act because he felt it was a state issue. It's a hypothetical argument. Is he saying States should be free to be racist? Hardly. He's making an idealistic argument about his beliefs.

quote:
Santorum is a bit of a nut job, but its also hard to say he's not a "conservative".


By this definition all "Conservatives" are homophobic. Nice try. Santorum can have his opinion, and I can have mine. That doesn't mean I have to identify with his social views to be a Conservative.

And if this explanation doesn't satisfy you, I'll part with this. Ronald Reagan, the father of the modern Conservative movement, had many opinions and beliefs on social issues. But, like any true Conservative, he saw it was not his role as President to abuse executive privilege and push his beliefs on the country through regulation/legislation.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 6:27:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But by all means, find something, anything, to argue with me about. Thanks for also ignoring the other 99% of my message.


I'm not.

The truth is, the vast majority of so called "Conservative" Political candidates believe it is the role of the local, state, or Federal Government to legislate or enforce morality laws or some sort or another.

Regan was heavily against Drug usage (for example, he had other issues some of which were part of his governments and other that were not)

"Reagan was able to pass the Anti-Drug Abuse Act through Congress. This legislation appropriated an additional $1.7 million to fund the War on Drugs. More importantly, it established 29 new, mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses, a number that becomes gaudier when one considers that in the entire history of the country up until that point, the legal system had only seen 55 minimum sentences in total."

I am well aware that for the most part, you, Reclaimer77, do not want to Federal Government imposing morality on people. But the -history- (post 1945) of Republician and "Conservatives" in general do not suggest this usually the case.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 2/29/2012 6:34:41 PM , Rating: 2
Drug use isn't a "moral" issue, it's a criminal one. If drug use was a moral one, he would have tried banning cigarettes and alcohol as well. After all, what's really the difference? I don't agree with the "War on drugs", but do you see Liberals doing anything about it? Calling this a Conservative issue is just offensive.

quote:
The truth is, the vast majority of so called "Conservative" Political candidates believe it is the role of the local, state, or Federal Government to legislate or enforce morality laws or some sort or another.


Paint meet huge brush.

Anyway keep using social issues to force Conservatives into submission. I really love that tactic.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 7:06:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Drug use isn't a "moral" issue, it's a criminal one.


I fail to see the Consistutional justification for mandatory minimum sentences for all of those 29 offenses at the Federal level or the rational reason behind the actual sentences (such as the 100:1 disparity between crack and powder cocaine as an example).

These were -morality- choices. I'd even say a significant number of drugs are outlawed based on morality alone.

quote:
but do you see Liberals doing anything about it?


Liberals are worse. Obama for example justified his desire to increase capital gains tax based on a "fairness" arguement. That's certainly morality territory. And that's just the tip of the Ice Berg.

Both Liberals and Conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, promote economic and social policies that are driven by morality. Liberals tend to focus on economic "morality" while Republicans tend to focus on social "morality". Since "Conservatives" have to win the Republican party, many end up proposing legislation on social morality.

Its pretty funny you bring up the booze. The Volstead Act was authored by a Republican, and passed by Republican Majority Congress.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 7:57:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Liberals are worse. Obama for example justified his desire to increase capital gains tax based on a "fairness" arguement. That's certainly morality territory. And that's just the tip of the Ice Berg.

BS. How is it "morality" to ask for capital gains to be taxed the same as regular income? If anything, it's been morally declared that labor just isn't as valuable as investment, so investment is taxed less. Making them equal is not a morality legislation, but making them unequal is.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 2/29/2012 9:07:11 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure what your goals are here or what you're trying to get me to concede. And I frankly don't care. You're just trying to smear Conservatives, and as usual, me.

quote:
Liberals are worse.


For once, I agree.

quote:
The Volstead Act was authored by a Republican, and passed by Republican Majority Congress.


Uhh I thought we were talking about Conservatives? He was a "progressive" Republican. We all know what that means.

And Republican majority? Are you just trying to hatchet Republicans here while not presenting the whole truth? The bill was vetoed by Woodrow Wilson and the Senate overrode that veto.

So let's see this "majority" shall we.

18'th Amendment proposal:
Senate Democrats - 36 for, 12 nay
Senate Republicans - 29 for, 8 nay

House Democrats - 146 for, 64 nay
House Republicans - 137 for, 62 nay

I don't know what you call a "majority", but it sure looks like more Democrats voted to pass the bill than Republicans. The Volstead Act was only the enforcement arm of the 18'th amendment. But clearly Democrats were all in favor passing the Amendment that made it all possible. So were the Republicans, but hey, I can take the moral high ground here because the majority of the votes didn't come from my side. Barely :P


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 3/1/2012 3:29:00 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't know what you call a "majority", but it sure looks like more Democrats voted to pass the bill than Republicans.


Sorry, I ment that both Houses of Congress had Republican majorities at the time.

quote:
I'm not sure what your goals are here or what you're trying to get me to concede. And I frankly don't care. You're just trying to smear Conservatives, and as usual, me.


And here I thought we were having a discussion about whether the statement

"Conservatives ... frequently support support laws to restrict personal behavior that violates "traditional values""

is true or not.

And as typical, you've taken the position that in its pure form Conservatism does not endorse laws to restrict personal behavior.

Well, I guess I can agree with that... In practice however, I find it hard to find a "Conservative" government figure that didn't have at least 1 pet morality project.

Reagan --> Drugs
Bush 2.0 --> Stem Cell Research/Gay Marriage
Eisenhower --> Civil Rights
Nixon --> Drugs/Civil Rights

Now, its true that the above we not all "true" conservative, but they were all centre-right at the very least.

Looking at the latest crop of "Conservative" presidential hopefuls, we have

Romney, who isn't very much of a conservative at all.
Santorum, who clearly is interested in promoting "morality"
and
Gingrich

Right here from his own page

"End taxpayer subsidies for abortion by repealing Obamacare, defunding Planned Parenthood, and reinstating the “Mexico City Policy” which banned funding to organizations that promote and/or perform abortions overseas."

(Repealing Obamacare is good, but as an end to subsidies for abortion is a moral choice)

Lets see "Contract with America"

Personal Responsibilities Act
American Dream Restoration Act
Family Reinforcement Act
Senior Citizen Fairness Act

So its would be really hard for me personally to say that either Gingrich or Santorum wouldn't promote morality laws/regulations based on their past political history and avowed stance currently.

But, I don't think its -wrong- to promote any/all traditional values.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By lagomorpha on 2/29/2012 9:30:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Liberals are worse. Obama for example justified his desire to increase capital gains tax based on a "fairness" arguement. That's certainly morality territory. And that's just the tip of the Ice Berg.


It should probably be noted that there is a large difference between:

1) "Individuals should behave morally" laws such as drug laws, blue laws, sodomy laws, laws against more than x women living in the same house

and

2) "The government should behave morally towards its citizens" policies such as taxing capital gains the same rates as labor


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 3/1/2012 2:37:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It should probably be noted that there is a large difference between:


Not really.

Heck, the entire concept of a "Progressive" tax system is itself a morality judgement. (The Capital Gains tax is Progressive right now BTW)

You point 2 should read

2.) "I feel the government should behave to my standards of morality towards its citizens" policies such as taxing capital gains the same rates as labor

For what its worth, I think the Capital Gains ought to be taxed just like normal income, provided that at the same time we reduce the Corporate Income Tax rate to 0. I believe in the long term this will allow the US economy to grow and capital to be allocated most effectively to the actual demands of the free market and prevent government from using the tax code to influence corporate choice. Not because its "fair".


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 3/1/2012 9:39:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Anyway keep using social issues to force Conservatives into submission. I really love that tactic.


Check out the number of anti-abortion legislations passed after 2010. Check out the Oklahoma legislation that prevents you from suing a doctor if he lies to you about the defects of your unborn child and doesn't tell them:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/us/28abortion.ht...

A socially conservative presidential candidate is only a step removed from Hitler. They should be avoided with extreme prejudice.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 3/1/2012 2:44:29 PM , Rating: 1
You want an abortion, fine. I don't care. Most Conservatives don't. Want me to pay for your abortion? Now we have a problem.

I don't care what you do with your body or in your own home or whatever. That's NOT our issue. The problem is using public money to endorse and support certain lifestyle choices. It's not my responsibility to pay for your babies, your abortion, your birth control or your health care. And I see no Article or Amendment in the Constitution that suggests this is a proper use of taxpayer funding.

quote:
A socially conservative presidential candidate is only a step removed from Hitler. They should be avoided with extreme prejudice.


I'm confused. In your link the (two year old) story clearly states the Oklahoma state legislature passed these laws. What in the hell does that have to do with a Presidential Candidate?

Oklahoma is exercising their States rights. If they have intruded into their citizens civil rights, or went against the Constitution, these laws will eventually be struck down by the Supreme Court. Your Hitler analogies are, again, terribly off-base and irrelevant.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 3/1/2012 3:41:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oklahoma is exercising their States rights. If they have intruded into their citizens civil rights, or went against the Constitution, these laws will eventually be struck down by the Supreme Court. Your Hitler analogies are, again, terribly off-base and irrelevant.

The south was also exercising "states rights" when they seceded to defend slavery. States rights is not a solution to controversial issues, DESTROYING religion is.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Reclaimer77 on 3/1/2012 4:38:32 PM , Rating: 2
No they weren't. I think it's pretty clear what they were doing was not a "right", or Constitutional in any way.

Also, news flash, they didn't succeed over slavery. The Civil War wasn't over slavery, sorry to shatter another misconception of yours.

Cord whenever you encounter resistance to one of your wacky bigoted beliefs, you just throw out a reference to Hitler, slavery, or whatever. In the big boy adult world, this is very poor debate tactics.

I think you would be right at home in a atheists forum. Daily Tech isn't the proper place to bring up religion every five minutes, or to call for it's "destruction". Actually never mind, I just offended Atheists. They are actually WAY more sensible than you about religion.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 3/1/2012 5:13:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also, news flash, they didn't succeed over slavery. The Civil War wasn't over slavery, sorry to shatter another misconception of yours.


Yes it was over slavery, obviously not because they liked being evil slave masters, but because they liked cheap slave labor and their economy depended on it.

What Oklahoma and many other red states are doing just shows how fundamentalist republicans are destroying this country and the dangers of electing a conservative president. Such measures and way of thinking should be destroyed at all costs.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/1/2012 5:39:40 PM , Rating: 2
That effected less than 6% of the total population of the South. The idea that this would cause a Civil War is nothing but another carefully crafted revision of history. At no point in the history of the planet has a war so massive and sudden been declared for such a tiny minority of a population.

In our government-controlled schools we are taught that Lincoln was our greatest president because his war ended slavery and saved the Union. As usual, the other side of the story – the side that reflects poorly on the government – somehow gets lost.

But as they say, history books are written by the victors in war.

”I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”


Abraham Lincoln


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 3/1/2012 3:43:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm confused. In your link the (two year old) story clearly states the Oklahoma state legislature passed these laws. What in the hell does that have to do with a Presidential Candidate?

Because it shows what a Republican legislature will do at the state level. They will obviously try to do the same at the federal level if elected, that's why they should be voted against with extreme prejudice. In fact, if a tragedy happened and people with that mindset died, I wouldn't be sad at all.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/1/2012 5:47:59 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Because it shows what a Republican legislature will do at the state level.


No, it only shows what they would do in that ONE state. If we're basing what an entire party would do based on one state legislature, oh boy, I could dig up any number of gems from the Democratic side.

But, of course, you actually would support them and think they are perfectly fine. It's ONLY the Republicans who abuse power and interfere with rights, how silly of me.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By BSMonitor on 2/29/2012 1:55:48 PM , Rating: 2
j)Greed
k)Sense of self entitlement, aka God lets you choose where and to whom you were born to
l)Preaching Christian beliefs while raping workers and consumers to maximize profits
m)Claiming the side of Morality when the best off of us have multiple homes and ridiculous resources while people surrounding those houses live in the streets and eat out of trash cans

Because, after all, all that matters is, "it's your fault if you are poor".


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/29/2012 2:17:06 PM , Rating: 2
A failure to understand how economies function and unsupported accusations. Good work, BS.

Also, your side claims morality too while Pelosi has who knows how many low-paid Mexicans working her vineyard for her. The ideological difference is in encouraging people to improve themselves versus making them comfortable in their culture of failure.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Spuke on 2/29/2012 5:10:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also, your side claims morality too while Pelosi has who knows how many low-paid Mexicans working her vineyard for her.
I find it disturbing how Democrats find it ok with what amounts to indentured servitude. They even got Mexicans believing its better for themselves to serve us.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By BSMonitor on 2/29/2012 1:13:59 PM , Rating: 2
Reclaimer... You? Are asking for evidence??! Are you serious?? Do you ever read your own posts??

quote:
Ruining the country??


Like starting an 8 year war in the Middle East with a backward culture that does not care about Democracy. Paying for that with China's money? Cutting taxes at the same time as starting a war that cost $1Trillion+. You mean that?? How about the Republican chant, "less government". Yup, let Wall Street, bankers, corporations (GM, Enron, BP, Halliburton, Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, etc) do whatever the Frak they want. Let's try that again and see how that HELPS the average American citizen.

Maybe pushing for everyone to have access to medical care. Maybe that's "ruining" the economy. Maybe pushing for regulation on the banking sector. Maybe that's "ruining" the economy. Maybe saving 2M jobs at GM and Chrysler, maybe that "ruining" the economy. Maybe paying for rebuilding vast amounts of Americans roadways. Maybe that's it.

No got it now. I know what wouldn't be a waste. He should borrow MORE money from China or maybe Apple and attack Iran!! Attacking a country on the other side of the world instead of spending that money on Americans here, that's definitely the direction for NOT wasting money.

Republicans in the bubble blow me away.

Have you checked the stock market today? Dow at 13000. Yup, sounds like that spending money at home is definitely "ruining the country".


RE: Vote him out of the office
By The Raven on 2/29/2012 3:04:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Because one of these guys are going to beat him. Guaranteed.
lol that's what we all said about Gray Davis, and we see how that turned out when we sent Bill Simon out to catch that Bengal tiger!


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Arsynic on 2/29/2012 9:01:37 AM , Rating: 3
The bank and auto bailouts were George W. Bush's polices. So are you giving credit to Bush? The 800 billion stimulus was Obama's policy and that has been a dismal failure.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By CharonPDX on 2/28/2012 7:18:41 PM , Rating: 2
A right-wing friend of mine recently commented in the insanity of the current crop with "We really should win this year - but I just can't see myself voting for ANY of these jokers."

I replied with "now you know how Democrats felt in 2004."


RE: Vote him out of the office
By The Raven on 2/29/2012 3:12:39 PM , Rating: 2
2004? What about 2000? No they should have gone female and/or black along time ago. Try a different frame for the same old painting. Now the republicans tried that with Herm Cain, Michelle Bachman and now the Mexican-American Romney. I guess it doesn't necessarily work when your party isn't a bunch of racists who only see things as black vs. white but instead just wants to see green.

I am kidding people. Don't hit me with your hate mail.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By AEvangel on 2/29/2012 1:09:07 PM , Rating: 1
Bush = Obama = Romney

They are all the same....not sure why some people are still dumb enough to think there is some real difference between the two parties.

No real fundamental difference in any of their polices all of them end up growing the Govt and taking away more of our Freedoms.

Oh, and the Volt is a waste of money and bad for the environment.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By The Raven on 2/29/2012 3:14:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh, and the Volt is a waste of money and bad for the environment.
I was with you until this... How dare you try to make this discussion about the Volt!!


RE: Vote him out of the office
By KCjoker on 2/28/2012 7:16:10 PM , Rating: 1
Wrong, I'd vote for my dog over Obama...the only person I can think of I wouldn't vote for over Obama is Palin.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Dorkyman on 2/29/2012 1:35:16 AM , Rating: 1
I'd take anybody, including Palin, over Messiah. Hell, I'd take Hillary over Messiah, and I'm a Republican.

And it has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with competence and philosophy of outlook.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By BSMonitor on 2/29/2012 1:32:11 PM , Rating: 2
And yet, you voted for GWBush twice.

GWBush finished college with an MBA from Harvard. The man could not complete two consecutive sentences when speaking.

Obama finished Harvard Law school Juris Doctor magna cum laude.

You are right, not competent at all. Especially compared to GWBush, Ronald Reagan, HWBush.

Weird, the bubble has flawed logic.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Ringold on 2/29/2012 2:25:15 PM , Rating: 2
He can finish manga cum laude, doesn't make him competent in and of itself. He's still on record as calling the bill of rights a document of negative liberties, as it takes power away from the state, and still wrote in his book of his close affinity with Marxist groups. Some of those past associates have come forward saying he was the violent-overthrow/Bolshevik type, and that they actually moderated him down. That's not exactly very intellectual of him, given that its a discredited ideology among actual, you know, economists.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 2/29/2012 2:36:05 PM , Rating: 2
Please show me how is Marxism discredited in the world of economics...

Last I heard of leading economists agreeing on something was much closer to what the democrat party is doing than the republican party:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/29/geo...


RE: Vote him out of the office
By Keeir on 2/29/2012 4:02:48 PM , Rating: 2
Wow

1. Marxism is barely an economic theory
2. The fall and stagnation of economy's that implement (or claim to implement) significant Social/Marxist philosphies is easy to see

The linked article seems to be more of Kenysian/Demand type economic model. They want to government to borrow money to give out more benefits. Which is great provided you have a steady and reasonable source for the money. At some point though these sources dry up.... for Greece, that already has happened...


RE: Vote him out of the office
By corduroygt on 3/1/2012 9:23:21 AM , Rating: 2
You must have completely missed the "This could in part be paid for by the introduction of a financial transactions tax" part, which is effectively taxing the rich.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By BSMonitor on 2/29/2012 3:43:15 PM , Rating: 2
These the same economists that bought up the NASDAQ to 5000 pre-tech bubble.

Same ones that ran up the bank stocks pre-Bush depression.


RE: Vote him out of the office
By FaceMaster on 2/29/2012 4:22:15 PM , Rating: 2
They are all as good / bad as each other. They are mere puppets. The real decisions are made behind lies and proxy soldiers. You'll never find them.

Of course, this doesn't stop people from looking for the 'perfect' president. As far as I'm concerned, they're replaced as soon as there's bad press- regardless of how much they could have done to stop it. Most of them probably never asked for this.


By chessmaster42 on 3/2/2012 5:57:05 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe you should write in Mickey Mouse.

I used to hear about people doing such and thinking it was foolish... Now, not so much.


He might buy a Volt, but he'll hardly drive the car.
By kyee7k on 2/28/2012 11:48:11 PM , Rating: 2
All former presidents are driven in hulked-out Cadillacs, probably weighing more than 10k lbs with armored steel and bullet-resistant windows and powered by a V10 engine. It's unlikely he or his wife will ever drive anywhere ever again without SS escort. He might buy the Volt for one or both of his daughters.




By Natch on 2/29/2012 8:25:03 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, but I'm sure it will look really nice, in the garage at his mansion.

He's no different that Al Gore, in that he loves to make the talk, but will never make the walk.


By theapparition on 2/29/2012 9:56:18 AM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, I had to sift through 70+ comments on political bickering to get to yours.

And you are 100% correct. The president, after leaving office, will have lifetime SS protection, and won't drive anywhere themselves. At best, he'll drive this 20ft in his driveway.

All smoke and mirrors.


Why GM Can't Sell Cars
By n00bxqb on 2/29/2012 1:03:08 AM , Rating: 3
"If the president is still interested in buying a Volt upon leaving office, we recommend a test drive of more than 10 feet," said GM spokesman Greg Martin.

#1 rule in sales; don't talk the customer out of a sale. If he already stated he'll buy one, sell it to him.




My vote is...
By msheredy on 2/28/2012 6:34:57 PM , Rating: 2
...2013




Hope it is a 2013!
By rickon66 on 2/28/2012 10:30:51 PM , Rating: 2
Hope it is a 2013! He can be the first to use the charging stations that they have installed at all of the Kohl's stores




EV cars are currently pointless
By Rob94hawk on 2/28/2012 11:12:46 PM , Rating: 2
EV cars are pointless till they are no longer relying on fossil fuels to charge up.

Don't know why people are ragging on conservatives. Because of liberal entitlements the dependent class has increased exponentially since the FDR administration. Liberals don't have the ability to say no to freeloaders and abusers.




Dear President Obama,
By androticus on 2/29/2012 1:28:30 AM , Rating: 2
I will buy you the car right NOW. I mean it. Please have your people contact me.

regards,
Brad Aisa




Good for him
By FITCamaro on 2/29/2012 12:36:15 PM , Rating: 2
On with next meaningless statement.




Volts are too expensive
By navair2 on 2/29/2012 9:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
When all-electric cars get reasonable in price, then the rest of us will be able to afford one as well.




We can help him!
By DanLikesThis on 3/16/2012 7:11:30 PM , Rating: 2
Why wait? Here is a way to help him buy one now! I pledged - will you?:
http://www.BuyObamaAVolt.com




LOL
By shin0bi272 on 2/29/2012 10:37:48 AM , Rating: 1
Obama's a millionaire ... he can afford to blow money on a car that costs 10x more than it should just for the pretense of being "green". Let him work at mcdonalds flipping burgers and give up all his worldly possessions and try to pay 40k for a crappy plug in hybrid... the man has ZERO work experience so its not like his resume is amazing other than saying I was a senator for 12 years and was president for 4 his resume is BLANK.




The many faces of President Obama
By ppardee on 2/28/12, Rating: -1
RE: The many faces of President Obama
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 2/28/2012 6:38:47 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
There's the Angry Face and the Hey, I'm driving with a hot white woman... should have married her instead Face


**Facepalm**

Can't believe this is 2012 :(


RE: The many faces of President Obama
By Keeir on 2/28/12, Rating: -1
RE: The many faces of President Obama
By Reclaimer77 on 2/29/2012 5:39:55 PM , Rating: 1
You might have a point. The Government yesterday decided to mandate backup camera systems on all new vehicles. Somehow I feel that would be a more appropriate article than what car the President said he would be buying.

Seriously, where is the backup camera article? I can't wait to rip into this gross abuse of regulatory power.


By Keeir on 3/1/2012 3:34:36 AM , Rating: 2
Hahah, something we can agree on... since the private market was pretty much taking care of the "issue"

Sigh... why can't the government just say

"Last year, 300 people died when drivers backed into them. Having a rear view camera installed could have saved many of them. Be careful. Check you mirrors. Consider your situation."


RE: The many faces of President Obama
By wordsworm on 2/28/2012 7:15:34 PM , Rating: 2
Just wait for the Obama cares campaign which will bring him in for another four years. All those idiots complaining about 'Obamacare' have practically handed him the victory. Now all Obama's support crew has to do is start saying, "Obama cares!" since it's already in the heads of liberals, conservatives, and most importantly the swingers.


RE: The many faces of President Obama
By sigmatau on 2/28/2012 7:24:19 PM , Rating: 2
I may use that. Everytime I go to the doctor I will gladly show them my Obamacare card!

I will first ask them if they want it shoved down their throat since that seems to be a concern. I will also tell them that my card is only one page instead of 2000 and not to worry having to read so many pages even though they had over a year to do so.


RE: The many faces of President Obama
By wordsworm on 2/28/2012 10:36:00 PM , Rating: 2
Police, military, education, and now medical care, are all publicly funded. What I don't like about the medical system is that they have a monopoly over what I can or cannot put in my own body. That's utterly ridiculous. Why should I be forced to pay a doctor's fee just so that I can access some medicine?


RE: The many faces of President Obama
By lagomorpha on 2/28/2012 10:45:46 PM , Rating: 2
For antibiotics it actually is important not to make them over the counter because when they are used improperly you will create more antibiotic resistant bacteria (thanks for screwing everyone China!), evolution being true and all.

For a variety of other prescription medications in which you only harm yourself if you don't know what you're doing I don't really have a problem with making them more easily available. If you can't read the label and overdose yourself on viagra it's no skin off my whatever.


RE: The many faces of President Obama
By Dr of crap on 2/29/2012 12:22:19 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, and there are No doctors just giving out prescriptions for antibiotics because everyone is screaming they want one and it SHOULD fix me!

We do have crappy doctors that do this, check into it!

There should be an accelerated way to just get a prescrition, rather than the usual -
see a Dr
have him write prescrition
bring to pharmacy
wait for it
pay TOO much for what you just went though


By lagomorpha on 2/29/2012 12:52:38 PM , Rating: 2
And those doctors should lose their medical licenses.

If you're going to make certain medications available through an accelerated way why not just make them over the counter?


By kyee7k on 2/28/2012 11:58:17 PM , Rating: 2
A physician's knowledge, experience, and time are valuable commodities that every patient has to pay for, whether by you, your employers, or state or federal agencies.
Because harm can be had from not using the medicine correctly, from abuse or misuse, or in the right amount, or hydrated under near-lab conditions, vaccines and prescribed medications C2-5, must be kept under Pharmacist's restriction until a doctor's prescription is given.


RE: The many faces of President Obama
By StormyKnight on 2/29/2012 4:13:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What I don't like about the medical system is that they have a monopoly over what I can or cannot put in my own body.

Then you need to either vote for Ron Paul or the Libertarian Presidential nominee.


By Boingo Twang on 2/29/2012 11:57:18 AM , Rating: 2
And giving over the medical system even more so to Wall St. through Ron Paul and further deregulation will help exactly how? Paul says nothing about why the medical system is actually broken: the corrupt congress and FDA has given pharmaceutical companies the keys to the regulation store, the AMA and other medical lobby groups get everything they ask for in Congress, mega-sized hospital corporations are out strictly for themselves and no one but no one is thinking of the patient's best interest. Remember the Ron Paul faithful cheering for people to just die if they couldn't afford treatment? That's not the country I want to live in.


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