standards will call for 34.1 miles per gallon by 2016. It
also will put in place the nation's first tailpipe regulations for
carbon emissions. The EPA lauds the plan, with EPA
Administrator Lisa Jackson saying that the plan will create the
equivalent of taking 42 million cars off the road -- without removing
The EPA estimates that between 2012 and 2016
950 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions will be reduced,
the average vehicle owner will save $3,000, and oil consumption will
be cut by 1.8 billion barrels.
The government agencies
admit that there will be costs. They estimate that the
legislation will raise car sticker prices $1,000 (still less than the
fuel economy savings), will cost the auto industry $60B USD over five
years ($12B USD/year), will cost 5,000 jobs in 2012 alone, and will
depress industry sales by approximately 58,000 vehicles.
new rules will force cars to average 38 mpg by 2016 and light trucks
to average 28.3 mpg. GM and Ford will have to average 37.3 mpg
for their cars. They will also have to average 26.6 mpg (GM)
and 27.3 mpg (Ford) for their light trucks. Chrysler gets the
strictest light truck regulations at 28.5 mpg, but laxer car
standards at 36.8 mpg.
The NHTSA and the EPA are confident in
their bold experiment in market regulation, though. They say
that by 2016, the losses will be reversed and approximately 65,480
vehicles more vehicles will have been sold and 5,795 auto jobs will
be created. Basically, they believe the net effect will be
slightly beneficial economically, while being respectively more
beneficial, in turn, for consumers and the environment. They
acknowledge, though, that "the possibility exists that there may
be permanent sales losses."
The administration also
acknowledges that there will likely be a cost in human life.
Small cars generally don't fare as well in crashes, and the agency
estimates 493 additional "weight-related" auto deaths in
2016 from the shift to lighter vehicles. They estimate 1,100
extra fatalities from 2012 to 2016, but they expect the number to
drop to 250 extra a year by 2020. The net financial impact from
2012 to 2016 of these deaths is estimated to be approximately $15B
USD in losses.
Automakers do have a number of ways to escape
the restrictions, somewhat. Building more efficient air
conditioners (which decreases carbon emissions) will earn credits, as
will the sale of E85 ethanol vehicles. Advanced technology
vehicles, flex fuel vehicles and other measures will also earn
credits. Further, small automakers, selling less than 400,000
vehicles a year will only have to meet a more relaxed standard.
automakers will likely take issue with these exceptions, though, and
have plenty to say in the upcoming 60 day review period for the
Dave McCurdy, CEO of the Alliance for
Automobile Manufacturers, a coalition of Detroit's three automakers
and eight others stopped short of criticizing the measure for the
time being, stating, "[The current plan] provides manufacturers
with a road map for meeting significant increases for model years
2012-2016. Final rules are essential to providing manufacturers with
the certainty and lead time necessary to plan for the future and cost
effectively add new technology."
quote: My view of the best test of a driver is rallying... 80mph on uneven gravel tracks a couple of metres from trees listening to instructions on what's ahead... those guys need incredible car control, agility and courage.
quote: For the real road, people don't wear helmets. They don't wear fire retardant gear. They aren't strapped into their seat with a 6-point harness. And there isn't a paramedic/firetruck waiting every half mile in case we crash.
quote: Weight has nothing to do with hydroplaning.
quote: I'm still not seeing where lighter=safer.
quote: Why not tax on mpg?
quote: What they should throw extra taxes on is GVWR.
quote: Registration, taxes and etc are greater on vehicles with over 10k lb GVWR's.
quote: If a small car runs into an SUV (in motion) the total Joules released is fantastically more. We're talking potentially like 4-8x more energy.
quote: And given the laws of physics, the square of the difference in energy is transferred to the lesser object.
quote: Basically meaning, SUV vs small, the small will always absorb vastly more energy than the SUV, even though the SUV brought most of the energy to the collision.
quote: That's why small cars always seem "ok" in crash tests, because those tests don't involve colliding them with a bunch of other, much heavier vehicles already in motion.
quote: It leads to a very deceptive perception that small is safe, when it's not. Granted SUVs have a roll-over potential due to center of gravity, but that can be mitigated by a good driver. The laws of physics are, however, constant.
quote: Those idiots mandating super fuel efficiency seem to be forgetting that there are going to be plenty of 2012 heavy-as-heck family trucksters on the road running into those shiny new, small fuel efficient cars. And I'll be driving one of those larger ones since I *value* my life.
quote: Either way, the government's intention on specific numbers is an arbitrary one that is not goal based but rather what they believe present tech allows for.
quote: Europe and Japan didn't feel nearly the effect of $140 BBL oil in 2008 due to this very mechanism.
quote: I didn't say there was no effect. I said it was relatively less.
quote: For example, high gas prices in the US were a major factor in causing the collapse of the housing market, which in turn was the major factor causing the current recession
quote: Consider that there are less deaths in F1 than Nascar even though the cars weigh FAR less in F1.
quote: 3. Lighter does not always mean less safe. Only when the design is bad. Consider that there are less deaths in F1 than Nascar even though the cars weigh FAR less in F1.
quote: Making vehicles that get better MPG and are more efficient IS common sense.
quote: This is because the average weight of the vehicle that hits you decreases, lowering the stresses on the car being hit.
quote: You can't ignore simple physics...
quote: If this isn't done soon, VW, BMW and the Merc will bring their insanely fuel efficient diesel cars to the states and the American car companies will have no choice but to do the same but will be late to the game.
quote: I agree that stronger materials and better crumple zones will help, but more material is backwards thinking.
quote: If this legislation gets some people out of SUVs it will reduce the fatalities that SUV drivers cause.
quote: change steel body panels for plastic
quote: and there has always been people willing to steal for their own gain.
quote: SUVs kill their occupants when they try to swerve at greater than 40mph. They kill oncoming traffic when in accidents. They are unstable and unsafe. They should be licensed in the hands of those that need them and trained how to drive them... like a HGV license... so that doesn't include women on the school run going through Chelsea.
quote: Besides the majority of vehicle weight is in the engine
quote: oh yeah US autos are awesome, that's why half the top 10 selling cars in the US are Japanese.
quote: As GB has about one fifth of the US population, but only 8 per cent of the fatalities, that should say something.
quote: As GB has about one fifth of the US population, but only 8 per cent of the fatalities
quote: If you are really scared of being in smaller cars because you don't trust the guy next to you on the road then perhaps you should start looking at increasing the difficulty of driving tests and avoid accidents in the first place? *warning, uncomfortable truth* Why are you so against smaller cars? It's very simple psychology I'm afraid. You still see the size of your car as a measure of your personal wealth, your personal status and the status of your country in a global context. So being asked/made to drive smaller cars is just another very visible sign of the decline of the USA as a financial power, which (understandably) earks you all somewhat.
quote: 1) I was referring to the posts above, where there are quite a few who jump to the conclusion that small "tin box" or whatever cars are actually death traps.
quote: It may come as as surprise to you, but people in other countries have "families, dogs, and like to take vacations, like to go on recreational trips towing boats" etc.
quote: 2) Of course a car will be full when going to a tourist/leisure site. Not sure what that has to do with my post tho
quote: 3) Not sure what you're rambling on about there. I'm not telling you that you should do anything. I was just trying to explain why people get so emotional (as you have done in your rant) and come out with crazy comments like those above (and every other article about small high mileage cars) about how small cars are death traps.
quote: What do you think that "plumbers, farmers, landscapers, and other business owners" use over here? Perhaps you should take a minute to think about what you're writing?
quote: 5) The obvious "jealous? You're just jealous....." TBH, I really couldn't care less. I live in an ok country, most places that people who are reading this live in are ok, non are particularly great no matter what your politician tries to tell you however. That America is still a wealthy country is fine by me, why should I care?...I don't really see what your (again ultra defensive and prickly) comment has to do with anything however, other than proving my point about how defensive many Americans seem to be and how quick you are to over react to pretty much anything.
quote: So being asked/made to drive smaller cars is just another very visible sign of the decline of the USA as a financial power, which (understandably) earks you all somewhat.
quote: Finally, I am not and never will be your "bud" so please don't be rude, and stop referring to me as such. Thank you?! :)
quote: attending the 9/12 March on DC, etc.
quote: Kinda falls in line with his Health Care Plan that if you are over a certain elder...uncle sam would rather just let you die and save the 21yrs old
quote: The covered services are: evaluating the beneficiary's need for pain and symptom management, including the individual's need for hospice care; counseling the beneficiary with respect to end-of-life issues and care options, and advising the beneficiary regarding advanced care planning.
quote: It will be interesting to see what impact these new regulations will have on performance.
quote: hose are good numbers for an engine with that kind of performance, but it's nowhere near the upcoming mandates.
quote: GM and Ford will have to average 37.3 mpg for their cars. They will also have to average 26.6 mpg (GM) and 27.3 mpg (Ford) for their light trucks. Chrysler gets the strictest light truck regulations at 28.5 mpg, but laxer car standards at 36.8 mpg.
quote: will cause 1,100 additional "weight related" vehicle deaths
quote: asuming that small cars are less safe is just plain wrong, but it's true that older cars are less than new
quote: Your roads are mostly filled with small cars. That's not the case in the US.
quote: Your roads are mostly filled with small cars. That's not the case in the US. Our "small" cars are still bigger than what you would refer to as a small car. Example: the US Honda Fit is actually larger than the EU Honda Fit (Jazz). Not to mention, we have larger sedans (biggest sellers), pickups and SUV's on our roads. See the following video for typical American cars. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yCwlmynQgA
quote: There's major positives and negatives about the proposed emissions cuts