over the fourth amendment is brewing in Washington D.C. The United States
Supreme Court, the nation's highest court, will hear arguments over whether
police should be given a blank check to track
the nation's citizens with Global Position System (GPS) devices, without
The fight escalated with Washington D.C. cases against nightclub owners Antoine
Jones and Lawrence Maynard. Mr. Jones was arrested on suspicion of
conspiracy to distribute cocaine. Physical evidence against him was
relatively weak, but the case was greatly aided by a GPS tracking device that
was planted on his car a month before his arrest and showed his movements.
Convicted and sentenced to life in prison, he appealed to
the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Mr. Maynard, who had been added as a co-defendant and had been convicted, also
appealed. The key question was whether the tracking violated his
Fourth Amendment rights.
The Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, the nation's most important governing
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by
Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and
the persons or things to be seized.
The question here is whether secret 24-7 surveillance constitutes
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in California and the Seventh Circuit Court
of Appeals in Texas had both ruled that the practice was acceptable .
They pointed to the Supreme Court's 1983 ruling in U.S.
v. Knotts, 460 U.S. 276 which stated that "beeper"
devices planted on cars to track suspects did not violate the Forth Amendment
However, the D.C. Circuit Court went in a different direction ruling that
modern 24-7 GPS monitoring was far more invasive than the beeper monitoring of
the 1980s. Thus the court threw out the verdict, saying the suspect's
Fourth amendment rights were violated.
That would have been the final say, had the Obama administration not
intervened. Attorneys for the administration blasted the ruling, saying
that allowing the Fourth Amendment protections would harm the
war on terror and drug enforcement.
They argued that the fourth amendment protections should be nullified and law
enforcement be written a blank check to sneak onto your property, plant a GPS
tracking device on your vehicle, and monitor you 24-7.
On Monday the Supreme Course announced [PDF]
that it would review the case. The new case will be titled "United
States v. Antoine Jones, No. 10-1259". The case will begin in
October with attorneys for both sides delivering arguments.
quote: On abortion and gay marriage, from what I can tell, the Republican stance is they want these issues to be left up to the states.......and on gay marriage because they view marriage as a religious institution.
quote: And, on the warrantless searches, you are saying that since it's already done without our knowledge, illegally, Obama is just trying to make it legally done without our knowledge? So, that makes it OK? That makes it so you can still support your man right?
quote: Marriage is NOT a religious institution. It's a legal contract between two parties - commonly a man and a woman - that exists to merge two families, typically elevating the social status of one family to the other's level. If it was a religious issue then "separation of church and state" would and should end any meddling by any government...but since it is a legal contract, any two parties who are legally able to enter a contract should be able to get married.
quote: I didn't vote for Obama and I don't think he has accomplished much in office...but these unconstitutional laws that have been cropping up seem to stem from 9/11...when people were stupidly emotional instead of level-headed and supported these kind of things in the name of improved "security". It's really up to the people to realize that these so-called security measures are only giving our already bloated government more power that it doesn't need.
quote: I am fully aware of how marriage works, and it's a legal contract, but like I said, they don't want it to be called a "marriage" because marriage was first a religious term before it was a legal term. Most people that are opposed to it don't care if you call it a civil union and have it be federally recognized and give them the same benefits, they just don't want it called "marriage". So, what's so bad about calling it something else? Personally, I don't care what it's called, but that's the argument.
quote: Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.
quote: Makes more sense to tax it once when you earn it, rather than at random times all over the place when you spend it.
quote: Non-protectionism always brings about the law of unintended consequences as well, so wake me up when the WTO does anything about the IP China steals, the knockoffs they make or the toxicity of products they sell to us.
quote: I'm not so sure ending lobbying violates the 1st amendment. Where in it does it guarantee Corporations the right to hand over money to our Congressmen to sway them towards making a decision in their favor?
quote: How would my marriage plan be unpopular? It completely falls within the guidelines of constitution, guarantees state rights, grants total legal equality to all couples and protects the sanctity of marriage--all at the same time! Everyone wins. ;)
quote: One that will say bring jobs back to America instead of focusing on things such as national healthcare!
quote: If your sister had died I think you would be singing a different tune.
quote: The fact that you would attempt to lord my sisters life over me like that is both petty and pathetic, but I didn't expect any less from you.
quote: The reason she was flown specifically to Pheonix was that there were additional tests and observations that needed to be performed by a resident specialist with equipment that was only available at their labs.
quote: So the terrible, inept, and outpaced private health care system we keep hearing so much about here had equipment and specialist NOT readily available in the utopia that is Canada? Why is that?
quote: As I said, it is completely upto the discretion of the doctor, as it should be. In the US, it's up to the doctor, but it's really up to the insurer as to whether they will pay for it or not.
quote: It's not up to your doctor, it's up to the government.
quote: Amazing efficiency, wouldn't you say?
quote: This is a bold faced lie for which you have no proof of government intervention in care. Seriously, you're as big an idiot as you are a liar.
quote: Apply the to the $8,047 per person the US spends to the Canadian population and it works out to $271.5 billion.
quote: The fact that medical expenses are the straw that broke the camels back for 60% of personal bankruptcies in the US is one of the great tragedies of the 21st century.
quote: So for a country with over ten times your population, we spend roughly twice as much for the BEST PRIVATE HEALTHCARE in the world. And you see this as a negative? Did you fail math class or something?
quote: John D. Ehrlichman: “On the … on the health business …” President Nixon: “Yeah.” Ehrlichman: “… we have now narrowed down the vice president’s problems on this thing to one issue and that is whether we should include these health maintenance organizations like Edgar Kaiser’s Permanente thing. The vice president just cannot see it. We tried 15 ways from Friday to explain it to him and then help him to understand it. He finally says, ‘Well, I don’t think they’ll work, but if the President thinks it’s a good idea, I’ll support him a hundred percent.’” President Nixon: “Well, what’s … what’s the judgment?” Ehrlichman: “Well, everybody else’s judgment very strongly is that we go with it.” President Nixon: “All right.” Ehrlichman: “And, uh, uh, he’s the one holdout that we have in the whole office.” President Nixon: “Say that I … I … I’d tell him I have doubts about it, but I think that it’s, uh, now let me ask you, now you give me your judgment. You know I’m not to keen on any of these damn medical programs.” Ehrlichman: “This, uh, let me, let me tell you how I am …” President Nixon: [Unclear.] Ehrlichman: “This … this is a …” President Nixon: “I don’t [unclear] …” Ehrlichman: “… private enterprise one.” President Nixon: “Well, that appeals to me.” Ehrlichman: “Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason that he can … the reason he can do it … I had Edgar Kaiser come in … talk to me about this and I went into it in some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care , because …” President Nixon: [Unclear.] Ehrlichman: “… the less care they give them, the more money they make .” President Nixon: “Fine.” [Unclear.] Ehrlichman: [Unclear] “… and the incentives run the right way .” President Nixon: “Not bad.”
quote: ou think insurers are the largest cost driver associated with our system?
quote: Do you think insurers are the largest cost driver associated with our system?
quote: Wow, with all the trash talking you did to the guy up above, this post you made is VERY narrow minded when it comes to the problems with our health care system!
quote: Keep on swinging for the fences Reclaimtard. :P
quote: If Americans were being flown to Canada for treatment, you would make that part of your argument and use it as evidence of our failing system.
quote: WHY was the treatment not readily available in Canada
quote: far more Canadians have to come HERE for care
quote: Rare identical quadruplets recently born in Montana were delivered in the U.S. because the Canadian health care system had (you guessed it) no available maternity beds. The Jepps drove 325 miles to Great Falls for the births because hospitals in Calgary were at capacity.The average wait time for a maternity ward in Canada is now ten months! This is like being forced to drive from Boston to Philadelphia to find a hospital bed! Are there really people out there who actually believe it would be a good idea for the U.S. to emulate such a system?
quote: Number of Canadians on waiting lists for referrals to specialists or for elective medical services–875,000.
quote: Personally, I find that your "if they can't afford it, f*** em" disgusts me.
quote: When it all comes down to it, Canadians have a longer life expectancy, a lower infant mortality rate and a higher quality of life, while spending less per capita on health care.
quote: Seeing as how I never said this once or even intimated such a thing.
quote: To state that an incident created by the unique situation faced by this province is indicative of a nation-wide problem is logically bankrupt
quote: Everyone will need healthcare at some point in their lifetime. If you want to opt-out of the entire single payer system FOR LIFE, that should be an option.
quote: And if that happens, you will be screaming like a banshee when you are unable to pay for the costs you get hurt or get sick.
quote: You (and your ilk) are just cheapasses who complain about paying for anything that leaves your sphere of influence.
quote: Faux quote from Ebakke: "I'm never going to get sick because I am indestructible. I'll never get old because I am going to live forever! Screw anybody else! America is about me."
quote: As such, you will be expected to contribute, cooperate, and simply "do your bit".Anything less is not an option.
quote: Likely he goes into bankruptcy, where his creditors lose money. They in turn must raise rates for everyone else to cover the loss. You've now been affected.
quote: That person must now rely on more state services to pay for food and housing.....and state run medical insurance (medicaid). State needs money to pay for those services so must increase property and sales/income taxes. You've been affected again.
quote: And that's fine with me. If those rates are still something I'm willing to pay for whatever value I'm receiving, great. If not, I have the ability to take my money elsewhere.
quote: I disagree. The person will likely choose to draw from state services, because they are available.
quote: No, you live in a human society that values cooperation and contribution over self-interest (for the most part). As such, you will be expected to contribute, cooperate, and simply "do your bit". Anything less is not an option.
quote: You have the right to fund your own healthcare.
quote: This is not sustainable.
quote: One that will stand up and say--Civil Unions should be a State requirement for _all_ couples, gay or straight to guarantee equality under the courts and rule of law and the title of Marriage will only be bestowed upon by the Church, guaranteeing separation of Church and State.
quote: Yes the fact that that is a pure violation of states rights is irrelevant I guess. Show me where the federal government has the right to define marriage in the Constitution. It doesn't. As such, states define it.
quote: ...BUT Abortion should still be reserved as an option in cases of rape or danger to the mother.
quote: I can see both sides of the life or not life argument, but once you choose your side with regards to that question I find it shocking that anyone could support an exception to the protections granted to a life.
quote: The issue is quite basic, is a fetus "alive"? If you believe yes then there is NO acceptable case that you can terminate that life.
quote: Do we need a clinical trial to see how many women sink into serious depression or commit suicide under such circumstances to validate the threat?
quote: Do we need one on how many suffer the same mental disorder from the very act of abortion.
quote: but I have no moral problems if they felt the pain would be too great to bear.
quote: Kill the rapist, not the kid.
quote: You not feeling any moral responsibility does not mean brains weren't chopped to bits and sucked out through a tube.
quote: No brains are developed at the time the morning after pill does its work.
quote: So you define life as a brain being developed.
quote: IF she believes it is a life then she is a killer plain and simple.
quote: It robs someone of a chance at a life just because the mother says so. Something about that seems just really wrong to me.
quote: I can understand that you can recognize the life and still justifiably terminate it.
quote: I firmly believe it is (as I suspect do the vast majority of people), just as it is justifiable if the mother's life were in jeopardy
quote: That is the area that cannot be compromised over.
quote: To this I would say if the VAST majority believed this it would be law.
quote: They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
quote: I vote for whomever I think will do the best job,
quote: We need someone that looks out for the people, not their own special interests.
quote: One that will penalize companies for incorporating overseas by imposing tariffs upon them and reward companies by paying American taxes and their headquarters here. Force their hand to come back to America instead of giving up all the tax revenues because the bracket is so high. At some point we have to decide if some revenue is better than none. I'd argue that some is far better.
quote: If we swing all the way back to the right, we'll get more extreme, special-interest decisions that will set us of for hurt in different ways--thus, a perpetual pendulum of doing and un-doing.
quote: Benjamin Franklin once said, quote: Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.
quote: As for forcing companies to come back--no, I'm not forcing them.
quote: Force their hand to come back to America instead of giving up all the tax revenues because the bracket is so high.
quote: We need a moderate as the next president. A true moderate.
quote: I'd take a Democratic president over a Republican president any day because I stand by more Democratic ideals such as open to gay marriage, universal health care, easier legal immigration and abortion rights.
quote: Our representatives are voted into office to represent our ideologies.
quote: Perhaps the Democratic Party can change their name to "The Blunder Party."
quote: And yes, there were people who had issues with it even then.
quote: If you aren't on your fourth marriage, or have a mistress while your wife is dying, you probably won't get elected.
quote: Is that to mean anyone who dares question a single ideal of the conservative party? Those that are seen as traitors to their nation because they have a differing viewpoint from Fox News or other conservative talking points?
quote: , I can feel your "Us vs Them" mentality starting to brew up again ;)
quote: Obama ran on a platform of ending wars and being the "Anti-Bush". So far he's not only increased policies that Democrats slammed Bush over, but he's increased troop levels in Afghanistan and he's starting new wars.
quote: Now that Obama has shown you the true face of the Democratic party
quote: So Obama has shown that the true face of the Democratic party is that of the Republican party. Congratulations, you just agreed with Brandon. Now what was your point, exactly?
quote: It appears our leaders, both Democrat and Republican, are intent on tearing down the freedoms they claim they are protecting.
quote: it is grasping the physical surface thus taking away from you your freedom to travel in an unsupervised manner within your own property.
quote: If that is the case how about all those flyers you get under your windshield wipers.
quote: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches
quote: I thought it time we had a little talk. Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin... I suppose you're wondering why I've called you here this evening. Well, you see, I'm not entirely satisfied with your performance lately...I'm afraid your work's been slipping and... and well, I'm afraid we've been thinking about letting you go. Oh, I know, I know. You've been with the company a long time now. Almost... let me see. Almost ten thousand years!My word, doesn't time fly? It seems like only yesterday... I remember the day you commenced your employment, swinging down from the trees, fresh-faced and nervous, a bone clasped in your bristling fist... "Where do I start, sir?", you asked, plaintively. I recalled my exact words: "There's a pile of dinosaur eggs over there, youngster", I said, smiling paternally all the while. "Get sucking". Well, we've certainly come a long way since then, haven't we? And yes, yes, you're right, in all that time you haven't missed a day. Well done, thou good and faithful servant.Also, please don't think I've forgotten about your outstanding service record, or about all of the invaluable contributions that you've made to the company... Fire, the wheel, agriculture... It's an impressive list, old-timer. A jolly impressive list. Don't get me wrong.But... well, to be frank, we've had our problems too. There's no getting away from it. Do you know what I think alot of it stems from? I'll tell you... It's your basic unwillingness to get on in the company.You don't seem to want to face up to any real responibility. To be your own boss. Lord knows you've been given plenty of opportunities... We've offered you promotion time and time again, and each time you've turned us down. "I couldn't handle the work, Guv'Nor", you wheedled. "I know my place".To be frank, you're not trying, are you? You see, you've been standing still for far too long, and its starting to show in your work... And, I might add, in your general standard of behavior. The constant bickering on the factory floor has not escaped my attention... nor the recent bouts of rowdiness in the staff canteen. Then of course there's... Hmm.Well, I didn't really want to have to bring this up, but... Well, you see, I've been hearing some disturbing rumors about your personal life. No, never you mind who told me. No names, no pack drill... I understand you are unable to get on with your spouse. I hear that you argue. I am told that you shout. Violence has been mentioned. I am reliably informed that you always hurt the one your love... the one you shouldn't hurt at all.And what about the children, its always the children who suffer, as you're well aware. Poor little mites. What are they to make of it? What are they to make of all your bullying, your despair, your cowardice and all your fondly nurtured bigotries? Really, its not good enough, is it?And its no good blaming the drop in work standards on and management either... though to be sure, the management is very bad. In fact, let us not mince words... The Management is terrible! We've had a string of embezzelers, frauds, liars and lunatics making a string of catastrophic decisions. This is plain fact.But who elected them? It was you! You who elected these people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you!While I'll admit that anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous and unproven machines.You could have stopped them. All you had to say was "No". You have no spine. You have no pride. You are no longer an asset to the company.I will, however, be generous. You will be granted two years to show me some improvement in your work. If at the end of that time you are still unwilling to make a go of it... you're fired. That will be all. You may return to your labors.
quote: They are not or should not be allowed to enter your house or set foot on your property to do this.
quote: They argued that the fourth amendment protections should be nullified and law enforcement be written a blank check to sneak onto your property, plant a GPS tracking device on your vehicle, and monitor you 24-7.
quote: The government must first prove that there is “probable cause” to believe that the target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power .