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The new operating system is named after the North America's "big cat", the cougar, which is sometimes referred to as a "Mountain Lion".  (Source: HD Wallpapers)
Apple's latest PC OS gets even more iOS-like

Today Apple, Inc. (AAPL) is the only real challenger to Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) (perhaps) natural monopoly in the personal operating system space.  Apple has its work cut out for it challenging Microsoft's slick Windows 8, which launches later this year [1][2][3][4][5][6].  In many ways Windows 8 "out-Apple's" Apple, adopting a eye-catching new rich multimedia user interface, the Metro UI.  And the new OS isn't just eye candy -- it's brimming with hard base-level technical innovation as well.

I. Mountain Lion Prepares to Roam the Neighborhood

Apple isn't scared, though.  It's continuing to march to the beat of its own drummer and is preparing for the launch of OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, the successor to OS X 10.7 Lion.

A small note -- this will be the first Apple OS X OS to drop the "Mac" from its name.  In other words, OS X 10.7 was "Mac OS X 10.7", formally, while OS X 10.8 is simply "OS X 10.8".

While Apple is much maligned by critics who say its operating systems are glorified system updates, in reality Microsoft and Apple's approaches aren’t that far apart.  Microsoft, with Windows 8, has moved to a 3-to-4-year development cycle.

This narrowly mirrors Apple's development cycle.  Apple follows a four-year model in which the first year sees a major release, the second year is skipped, the third year sees a minor release, and the fourth year is skipped, devoted to the next major release.

For example, OS X 10.5 "Leopard" -- a major release -- aired in Oct. 2007.  OS X 10.6 "Snow Leopard" -- a minor release -- aired in Aug. 2009.  And OS X 10.7 "Lion" -- the next major release -- dropped in July 2011.

II. I'm Bringing Apps Back (Yea!)

"Mountain Lion" falls into the role of the minor release (and to boot, Lion wasn't as much of a "major release" as most had hoped), but nonetheless offers some interesting improvements.  Namely, it continues Apple's push to make OS X more iOS-like, largely on application level.

Much like Google Inc. (GOOG), Apple is pushing synced web-connected apps, which offers a redundant, contiguous flow of work, helping to prevent against computer crashes, power outages, and other evils.  The approach also allows you to take your work on the go more easily, by accessing your current PC stream from your tablet or smartphone.

Apple is retiring its iChat messaging hub, in favor for the OS X implementation of iOS's iMessage, dubbed simply "Messages".  The new hub will sync with your mobile hubs and allow you to carry out a cross-platform conversation with your friends.

OS X Mountain Lion Messages

Google Chat and AIM screennames/friends lists are both supported in the new hub, allowing you to easily import your contacts list.  The client is capable of sending a variety of multimedia, including documents, photos, and HD movies, with a maximum file size of 100 MB.  Apple promises full encryption on the messages and has baked into the software receipt notification, to let you know when your friend received that "Like a Boss" video.

The revamped Messages app takes advantage of the extra screen real estate by adding user avatars (pictures) next to the traditional "speech bubble" message graphical style (see: iPhone).  These messages fall in the right pane.  The left pane offers an overview of your currently running message threads.  Threads with unread messages are indicated by a blue dot placed next to your buddy's picture.  Multi-person chats are supported.  And you can fully search your whole chat history, via the search bar on the top of the left pane.

You can try out Messages right now via a Snow Leopard beta.

Aside from Messages, Apple also is bringing GameCenter to OS X.  The new platform will allow you to play multi-player games against users on iPhones and iPads.  This is similar to the tract Microsoft is pursuing with Xbox Live's multi-platform gaming with Windows and Windows Phone gamers.

Of course, like its rival Microsoft, Apple's approach is predicated on developers porting their apps to OS X, most importantly revamping the controls to support a keyboard-and-mouse-equipped device.

Other iOS imports including Notes (think a slightly gimped version of Microsoft OneNote) and Reminders (a to-do-list app).  You can pin reminders or notes to your desktop for easy access.  

III. Security and Notifications

In perhaps its most overt acknowledgement of growing security concerns, yet, Apple is incorporating a web app vetting security guard called "GateKeeper".  Web devs can apply for security certifications for their web apps, similar to submitting an app to the App Store.  Untrusted apps will not be permitted to run without special user overrides and any developers found to be doing mischief will be promptly banned from the party.

While Apple's traditional approach to security problems on the Mac is to pretend they don't exist, the company finally appears to be waking up to the danger of third party platforms.  After all, for all that it's maligned, true Windows-specific security flaws are in their minority.  Some flaws are also sourced to Microsoft core apps (such as Internet Explorer), but the lion's share of them come from third party platforms like Adobe Systems Inc.'s (ADBE) PDFs/Flash or Oracle Corp.'s (ORCL) Java runtime.  

Likewise, Apple's base OS has had relatively few serious security holes, traditionally, but its apps such as Safari have been the source of some vulnerabilities.  And third party platforms -- as with Windows -- representing the biggest risk to user security in OS X.

Apple is also dropping iOS-like Notifications into the box.  Notifications came to Apple in iOS 5, basically a copy of Google's Android notifications, with some improvements.  To access them, you can either two finger downward swipe on the right side of your keypad (a multi-touch gesture) or click on the upper right-hand corner, as the element takes the current place of searchlight.


Users can customize how they want to receive notifications, including turning them off.  Notifications will be tied to Game Center, Calendar, Reminders, App Store, Safari, Messages, Mail, and other core apps.  Additionally, there's an an API to allow third party developers to make their own custom notifications, such as application update reminders.

IV. Share Sheets, Chinese, AirPlay Mirroring

Rounding out the list of what's new, Mountain Lion will feature improved support for Chinese.  Chinese speakers will enjoy improved word and phrase suggestions, enhanced handwriting recognition, better autocorrect, and the ability to type in English without any extra keyboard configuration.  Apple made the politically correct mood of making, Inc. (BINC) the search homepage for Chinese Macs.  It also includes Share Sheets support for Chinese websites such as Sina Weibo (analogous to Facebook/Twitter), Youku (video hosting), and Tudou (video hosting).

What are Share Sheets?  They're a new GUI element built into the APIs of Mountain Lion.  It's an ever-so-slightly non-intuitive name, in that the "sheet" only appears after you click on the special Share Sheet button.  So the Share Sheet is more of a share button.

OS X Share Sheet
The new "Share Sheet" [Image Source: Engadget]

It reappears in multiple apps, with actions changing slightly.  But its general intent is to allow you to seamlessly share content -- say an article or an image you're working on -- without having to journey over to a web browser.  Expect the standard fare -- Facebook, Twitter, email, etc. to be supported here.

The possibilities are thus far stifled by the fact that Apple appears to be trying to avoid using the sites and services of Microsoft and its legal rival Google -- especially the latter party. Thus it's unsure whether you'll be able to share with one-click from iMovie to YouTube via a Share Sheet button.

One final capability of Mountain Lion that was demoed was AirPlay Mirroring.  Almost identical to the current implementation on the iPad, the feature will allow you to stream 720p video from your computer to your Apple TV, which in turn displays the results on your digital television.

Of course AirPlay Mirroring relies on you having AppleTV, and AppleTVs have not sold well.  Thus its utility may be somewhat limited, but it will be appreciated by the small, but loyal AppleTV crowd.
AirPlay Mirroring

Content will be able to stream directly from iTunes, reportedly, but it will black out your laptop screen.  The odd move appears to be a concession by Apple to big media, who are unwilling to grant licenses to have two active screens playing the content at the same time.

V. Why OS X Still Matters

OS X 10.8 doesn't reinvent the wheel, but like Windows 8 it represents the transformation of the PC OS into a richer, more mobile-like experience.  At its core is improved multi-platform syncing, and better notifications/reminders.

Apple's operating systems aren't for everybody, particularly due to the fact that it persists in forcing a first-party-only hardware model for its operating system, zealously killing any would-be Mac clones.  But Apple is pushing the envelope somewhat in terms of OS usability and design, and in doing so is acting as catalyst and motivator to Microsoft.  This motivation in turn has pushed Microsoft to make better products such as Windows 7 and Windows 8.  

Apple also plays an important role as a middleman for some of these innovations, which start at the Linux level, but suffer in obscurity until Apple gives them a higher profile.  In that regard, it is somewhat like Google, in giving Unix-like operating systems a loud voice in a market long dominated by Windows.

In that regard Apple may only have around 5 percent of the market [source], at last count, but it's a pivotal force.

Looking ahead Apple has an interesting decision to make with its next major release from a branding perspective.  OS X 10.9 will be a major release, likely launching in 2013-2014.  It will likely bear the name "Bobcat" as this is the only "big cat" name not to have graced an Apple product, yet.  However Apple may opt to turn OS X 10.9 into OS X 11 -- as otherwise it will be stuck with the oddball OS X 10.10 minor release in 2016-2017.

(Note: Mountain Lion is another name for cougar... a name which has taken on some different connontations over the years.)

We shall see which road Apple takes.

Sources: Engadget, Loop Insight, The Verge, Apple [Messages beta]

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By Motoman on 2/16/2012 3:50:39 PM , Rating: 2
95% of the people who use computers don't care.

RE: Newsflash
By messele on 2/16/2012 4:06:17 PM , Rating: 1
Absolutely, however 5% of that 95% just can't help themselves but leave a comment that they don't care. Nigh on 100% of the other 5% just do not care that they do not care but are curious as to why they bothered to tell us that.

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By Motoman on 2/16/12, Rating: 0
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By messele on 2/16/12, Rating: -1
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By Pirks on 2/16/2012 4:27:01 PM , Rating: 2
The media in general gives Apple infinitely more airtime than it deserves, based on it's marketshare
You base it on market share but everyone else is basing it on the company size, market cap, revenues and profits. Time to blend with the people, don't be such a freaky loner :P

RE: Newsflash
By Motoman on 2/16/2012 5:56:56 PM , Rating: 2
No, very few people base anything on market cap or any other quantifiable measure. The vast majority of people base everything on what the TV/etc. tells them. would be hard for me to be a "freaky loner" when it's rather obvious that I'm not part of the *freaky* 5% - like you are.

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By Pirks on 2/16/2012 5:56:53 PM , Rating: 1
The vast majority of people base everything on what the TV/etc. tells them
And TV tells them about Apple because Apple is so huge and so profitable these days. Got it?

RE: Newsflash
By Motoman on 2/17/2012 12:53:13 AM , Rating: 3
The TV tells them about Apple because Apple's legendary propaganda machine has the media sucking at their teat - just like they do with you. Which is actually the same reason why their profit margins are so high, along with their market cap. If Apple had to compete based on the merits of it's products, it'd died probably in the late 80s.

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By Pirks on 2/17/12, Rating: 0
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By Motoman on 2/17/2012 9:31:10 AM , Rating: 2
As always Pirks you just continue rocking that reality distortion field. We're all aware that you're utterly unconcerned with reality.

The fact that you perpetually insist on ignoring all the vast amounts of information on the internet about how bad Apple designs are, how poor their quality is, and how wildly overpriced they are is YOUR problem. Not mine...not ours...yours.

RE: Newsflash
By hexxthalion on 2/17/2012 10:43:18 AM , Rating: 2
do you actually go out and try products or you rely on forums and internet?

I prefer to decide what I buy based on my own experience, don't need some fandroid to tell me what to get

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By Pirks on 2/17/2012 3:37:01 PM , Rating: 2
The fact that you perpetually insist on ignoring all the vast amounts of information on the internet about how bad Apple designs are, how poor their quality is, and how wildly overpriced they are is YOUR problem
Market and buyers make the final decision. Shitty overpriced products die and high quality correctly priced products thrive. If we had the alternative reality you are talking about, we'd get people buying Fords and Chevys and not Toyotas and Hondas, just because Fords and Chevys propaganda machines say so.

However, in the real world, that has nothing common with your realities, there are surveys and various reliability ratings. Which have nothing to do with propaganda. And people usually use these to check for products, in addition to their own experience.

For example, in case of Apple, a normal guy buying some expensive Mac somewhere in the local Apple store is likely to encounter local support and local techs at the store who could help him quickly, there are also classes and training sessions in Apple stores aimed at helping people to resolve potential probelsm with their Macs. On the other hand, when he buys a cheapo Dell online, he will have no local Dell store with trained techs and classes and training sesisons, etc, and when he calls the phone support line, he won't talk to an American like Apple users do, he will be transferred to India and have a chance to talk to some poor peasant with heavy accent who really can't help even if he wants to.

This is a difference in real world. Your alternative reality calls this "propaganda". The sad thing about your delusions, Moto, is that THE WHOLE WORLD does not buy them. You and a couple of other freaks still insist that all these different experiences are propaganda and no more. Local Apple stores are just propaganda, local support and training is propaganda, phone support with Americans on the line are propaganda, the fact that Ultrabooks can not significantly beat Air in price given same specs and user experience is propaganda, the fact that Apple's early iPhone web browser was the first one to render experience that was actually smooth and desktop-like is propaganda. In fact, for you, and freaks like you, all these neat little facts are no more than propaganda.

Now please continue to call all this stuff propaganda. I'll watch how more and more people buy Apple products based on those little facts about them, and I'll watch you screaming "DO NOT BUY THIS SHIT!!! THE FACT THAT ULTRABOOKS CAN'T BEAT APPLE ON PRICE DOES NOT EXIST! IT IS PROPAGANDA!!! NO LOCAL SUPPORT IN APPLE STORES, NO TRAININGS, NO CLASSES, IT'S ALL FAKE!! WHY YOU PEOPLE DON'T SEE THAT ALL OF THIS IS PROPAGANADA AND HENCE IT DOES NOT EXIST!"

Yeah keep it up Moto, keep it up. It's futile but you can't stop eh? ;) I wonder when your poor brain snaps under the weight of reality. I bet you'll change your nick here or will stop posting here just like many anti-Apple trolls before you. Remember whaambulance? The guy was trolling for a year and then he's gone. I'm just waiting here for you to go, hehe. You're next Moto, you're a dinosaur whose race diminishes as Apple grows larger and larger.

Hey I was like you a few years ago, and a part of old me is still inside, this is why I haven't bought a single Apple product yet, however I admit the world is changing around me, and it's fun to observe people like you who are stuck in the past and will never admit the world is changed.

You will never admit it, will you? I can't believe you will EVER call anything positive about Apple nothing but propaganda. They could like consume the whole world in the end, and become the next Microsoft, and you STILL will always call them a propaganda machine.

I remember older Unix people calling Microsoft a propaganda machine back in early DOS/Windows days. You are so delightfully resemble them Moto. I like you Moto, hehehe :)

Post some more shit, do NOT go away from here please! We lost whaambulance and a few others, but you are the last bastion of the Anti-Apple Church here, YOU MUST STAY MAN!!! :)))

P.S. hey read this interesting piece and lemme know what you think: and the second part is

The guy there actually briefly mentions Metro once as a potential killer of iOS but he's not sure

so what do you think about these? do you see desktop kinda dying off slowly? or you think it's all bunk and all thesee new fancy Android/iOS/Metro tablets will fade away eventually?

RE: Newsflash
By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/12, Rating: 0
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By Motoman on 2/17/12, Rating: 0
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By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/2012 7:01:10 PM , Rating: 2
I was very clear, 15% in the US. You're using a 5% worldwide stat. Those are hard facts and I can't help it if you don't like it.

Everything else you have to say about reliability (Apple's reliability is on par with HP and Dell), customer service (Apple leads by a wide margin), and quality (there is no question that Apple leads there) is a load of crap.

Keep waving your flag against Apple and Intel because they are "evil". It is hilariously awesome how you reject excellent or superior products because of your silly moral high ground.

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By Cheesew1z69 on 2/17/2012 11:33:58 PM , Rating: 2
excellent or superior products because of your silly moral high ground
In your mind...

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By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/2012 11:39:08 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, Bulldozer is awesome because moar /[ghz = bettar,]/ plus Intel is evil! A netbook is better than an MBA because price is more important than inferior components and speed, plus Apple is evil! Android is better than iPhone 4S even with slower hardware, fewer developers, and malware issues.

Keep supporting companies based on irrelevant ethical arguments instead of actual quality.

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By Cheesew1z69 on 2/18/2012 10:59:51 AM , Rating: 2
My 6 core AMD works just great, it plays my games just fine, it crunches just fine, and yet, it still cost less then Intel.

Android does not = hardware, it's an OS. I have never gotten Malware once. And Apple hardware is not faster in all aspects, I am pretty sure you have been shown this time and time again, yet, you bring it up quite frequently.

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By TakinYourPoints on 2/18/2012 2:37:05 AM , Rating: 2
Speaking of customer service:

This is on top of people getting iPhones replaced even though they spilled water on it by their fault, or like my friend getting a brand new MBP for free when they couldn't fix the motherboard issue with his three year old model, or getting actual American tech support on the phone instead of being diverted to India.

There's a huge reason why Apple is rated so highly for customer service: they actually take care of them. It pays off, apparently.

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By Motoman on 2/18/2012 9:49:01 AM , Rating: 1
Right. And it's also good customer service to deny the obvious flaws with your products even exist. And then blame the customer for doing something wrong instead of admitting it's your fault. Then paying people off so they shut their mouths about it.

Nice cherry-picking you insolent fool. Every time you open your mouth you expose further how catastrophic your own stupidity is.

RE: Newsflash
By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/2012 7:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
You braindead idiots that buy Macs don't actually really need to do anything on a computer...or else you'd actually buy a computer, not a toy.

Actually, I do use my Mac for work, OS X and Linux are standard in the film industry. NONE of my friends at Google use Windows, they all work in OS X. All of my web developer friends develop on OS X (nearly all of their tools like Apache/PHP/Rails/etc are built into the OS already), and they run Windows in a VM when they need to test on other browsers. One of my best friends is an ex-IBMer who is now a lead engineer at a big security firm. Again, OS X development platform.

There is a massive advantage to having a UNIX based operating system that has centralized support. A lot of real work is done on it, believe it or not.

My DIY Windows machine is a hobby and a "toy", basically a launcher for Steam and my games. It is cool though, I love both, it's just that I use one platform for work and and one for play.

If by "real jobs" though you mean data entry 101 and Visual Basic, then yes, you'll be on Windows. You'll also be crying yourself to sleep every night.

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By Motoman on 2/18/2012 9:59:28 AM , Rating: 1
Oh right - because you and your idiot friends managed to struggle by on Macs for work, that means the other 99.99% of business computers don't matter. Because they're all Windows.

Self-righteous douchebags like you love to trot out the "content creation is better on a Mac" line of BS. Which is, well, BS. There is nothing that can be done on a Mac that can't be done better, and cheaper, on a PC. This is an irrefutable fact.

...which, like all facts, is unimportant to you. You are invalid.

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By TakinYourPoints on 2/18/2012 11:28:39 PM , Rating: 2
Ah yes, my "idiot friends" who work at Google, who do back end web dev work, who do security work for major corporations, all this before we even get to content creation.

Yup, what a bunch of morons.

You are hilarious. Keep pushing second rate products to your second rate customers at whatever backwater shop you work at.

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By maven81 on 2/18/2012 11:49:55 PM , Rating: 2
Anecdotal evidence works both ways. I've worked for large production companies and none of the developers used a mac. This should be a no brainer considering that while a lot of the tools are available, most of the testing still needs to be done on PCs. Virtual machines? Have you actually tried testing things that way?! Granted as a designer I'm forced to work on a mac, but all the software I use is also available on PCs and in fact some works better and appears sooner (photoshop 64bit came out for PC before it came out for Mac).

I may not not know people at Google, but I do know people at ILM and Digital Domain and while they use linux, they don't use OSX that much. But why stop there, PIXAR itself is not a mac shop. What does that say?! Jobs was in charge of Pixar for crying out loud.

But regardless, look at the stuff you're talking about, websites, games, animations? I'll be impressed when banks rely on macs for their transactions. When scientists use macs for their research, or when engineers at mission control use them to launch rockets. When macs run things like traffic lights, power plants, air traffic control... Some of these are linux, some are unix, some are mainframes! And far more then any apple troll like you will admit are PCs. Those are the systems that make the world go round. And your attempt to claim that OSX is unix based therefore it's the same as any other unix variant is ridiculous.

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By TakinYourPoints on 2/20/2012 4:45:08 AM , Rating: 2
As I said before, the film industry runs on Linux as well as OS X. I work in live production but have worked with Digital Domain many times, and I'm completely aware that they are a Linux shop. It makes sense given that Unix legacy in VFX goes all the way back to IRIX over 20 years ago on SGI hardware.

It also makes sense that Macs will be used given that they are able to interface with this infrastructure very well, ie - someone checking in remotely from his OS X desktop through Terminal as I've witnessed many times. Most of the high end shops in post-production I see are a mix of Mac and Linux.

Either way, the point of my argument isn't that Mac work is at the expense of Windows (lord knows that I know lots of production in Maya is done in Windows). It was simply that OS X is actually a common platform for work, that's it. I can't swing a dead cat without seeing Macs here.

As for the other things you brought up (air traffic control, power plants, banking, things like stock market exchanges), those mainly run on Linux. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. I'm obviously not saying that everything is running on Macs, that is ridiculous. It is also silly to think that everything (outside of games, my love) runs on Windows. As I said above, a lot of the world runs on Linux. Plugging Macs into that world (especially when it comes to people I know who do back-end web development) is logical.

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By TakinYourPoints on 2/20/2012 4:51:27 AM , Rating: 2
But regardless, look at the stuff you're talking about, websites, games, animations?

Also, it seems silly to marginalize a platform based on this. Media and technology are huge reasons why California generates so much GDP. Just because medicine, research, air traffic control, banking, etc, runs on Linux doesn't automatically mean that other platforms are not important or that they aren't responsible for aiding real work in other fields. Games are the #1 reason I and many people on tech forums run Windows, and I wouldn't dare say that Windows is a poor platform just because of that.

Where are we drawing a line on "real work"?

Either way, I completely agree that the world runs on unix derivations. If you go back it is one of the first points I made, and I really don't understand the angry tone of your post.

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By TakinYourPoints on 2/20/2012 5:01:14 AM , Rating: 2
I need to condense these into one post before hitting "post comment". :)

And far more then any apple troll like you will admit are PCs.

I've built my own PCs since Windows 95 days. My current gaming machine is an i7 860 with SLI GTX 460 cards running a 256GB Intel SSD inside a Corsair 800D. I've been using MSDOS and Windows for over twice as long as I've been familiar with Macs.

The last thing I am is an Apple fanboy, I'm pretty platform agnostic. I just use what works, and both platforms have their own strengths and weaknesses. I also know how Macs are used in the real world, and when I see FUD from mental midgets like Motoman being posted as fact, I respond. That's it.

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By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/2012 7:44:47 PM , Rating: 2
A $300 PC is a better purchase in all regards than a $1,000 Mac

PC makers can't even match Macbook Air specs or quality for the same price, what makes you think that a piece of trash $300 netbook can measure up in any way?

Do you have zero standards for performance, display quality, keyboard/trackpad quality, or battery life?

Oh, right, "performance doesn't matter" is your usual defense of AMD vs Intel. Now you're going to say that good keyboards, good battery life, good displays, good durability, and good resale value don't matter either.

You do have low standards. It is the typical thinking of people who defend netbook trash, you know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

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By Motoman on 2/18/2012 9:56:31 AM , Rating: 1
Except that you're wrong in every way. Every. Way.

A Mac is not better quality. It isn't better in specs...certainly not by price comparison. Battery life varies by what you buy and what batteries you put in it. Apple products are famous for design defects, poor quality, and being ridiculously overpriced. If a $1,000 Mac performs better than a $300 PC...well, firstly it should - but the mouth-breathing dipsh1ts that buy Macs clearly don't actually need to do anything on a computer anyway, so their subjective user experience would be the same from that standpoint. And if comparing at the same pricepoint, a PC will run circles around a Mac.

You might need to change the batteries in your reality distortion field - it's been working over time. Oh's an Apple product. Battery can't be replaced. Oops.

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By Pirks on 2/18/2012 2:37:18 PM , Rating: 2
So Google engineers who mostly use Macs to do their web and server side coding - they don't actually need to do anything on their computers anyway? Wow Moto, you are going more and more crazy every day. Wooow.

I read recently that first Doom was designed on Macs, I LOLed when I remembered your "Mac users don't do shit on their computers" insanity.

Carmack on one side and Motoman on the other. Who to trust? A REALLY HARD question LOOOL :))))) heheheee

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By TakinYourPoints on 2/18/2012 11:35:33 PM , Rating: 2
John Carmack created DOOM and Quake on NEXTSTEP, and Tim Bierners-Lee did the same with the web browser and the web protocol. NEXTSTEP of course became Mac OS X when Apple bought NEXT and got Steve Jobs back in the process.

So yes, developers do major major work using that platform, and have before it even rolled back into Apple. A huge part of the world runs on UNIX, and OS X is on of the largest supported variants in the world. It is no wonder why developers who do "real work" use that platform.

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By TakinYourPoints on 2/18/2012 11:45:31 PM , Rating: 2
<insert post of Motoman talking about how John Carmack and Tim Berners-Lee are "idiot developers">

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By Pirks on 2/18/2012 2:37:31 PM , Rating: 1
So Google engineers who mostly use Macs to do their web and server side coding - they don't actually need to do anything on their computers anyway? Wow Moto, you are going more and more crazy every day. Wooow.

I read recently that first Doom was designed on Macs, I LOLed when I remembered your "Mac users don't do shit on their computers" insanity.

Carmack on one side and Motoman on the other. Who to trust? A REALLY HARD question LOOOL :))))) heheheee

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By Pirks on 2/18/2012 2:41:20 PM , Rating: 2
oops sorry for double post! hit post button too quick

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By TakinYourPoints on 2/18/2012 11:51:13 PM , Rating: 2
And if comparing at the same pricepoint, a PC will run circles around a Mac.

Actually, once you get an ultraslim PC up to the physical and internal specs of a Macbook Air, surprise, it costs more! On top of this they have worse displays, worse keyboards, and far worse trackpads. Even the best ones by Lenovo (which I do like) have worse displays unless you spend another $200 on a display upgrade.

The price argument doesn't work with laptops unless you seriously drop down in quality, and by dropping the price you are even further compromising the display/keyboard/trackpad, and this is before we get to performance.

Again, you're comparing cheap garbage with a device that has better internal and physical specs. What is wrong with you?

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By hexxthalion on 2/17/2012 10:40:03 AM , Rating: 2
"You're intentionally missing the point...which is that DT needn't waste it's electronic bits on information that only the bottom 5% of the population cares about."

- nope, you're completely missing the point, anything related to Apple generates revenues from Ads for DT

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By retrospooty on 2/16/2012 5:51:48 PM , Rating: 2
"95% of the people who use computers don't care."

Hey now, lets be fair. Mac is 6 % of the global computer market, not 5%. LOL.

RE: Newsflash
By Reclaimer77 on 2/16/2012 8:32:00 PM , Rating: 1
The other 5% are thinking "Now I have something new to look at whenever I'm not Bootcamping into Windows to actually get shit done." lol.

RE: Newsflash
By messele on 2/17/12, Rating: 0
By Pirks on 2/16/2012 2:46:57 PM , Rating: 1
RIM just pwned Apple in Canada. Not much but still:

The data, taken from a survey of 1,000 Canadians, illustrates that while RIM's share is but a fraction of the iPad's, the sharp rise in sales saw Apple's market presence drop from 86 percent to 68 percent since fall 2011.

Hey not too bad for RIM at all! If even RIM manages to hit Apple like this I wonder what happens when Win8 tablets are released. Looks like Canadians are not as dumb and as Apple marketing gullible as Americans ;)

Hehe, this is something to torture retrospooty with :)))

RE: offtopic
By messele on 2/16/2012 3:00:08 PM , Rating: 2
RIM just like totally pwned everybody by selling their gear at 100's of millions of dollars loss but they like totally pwned the market share so thats, like, awesome.

Until RIM wake up one morning and it finally dawns on them that nobody actually wants to pay enough money for their gear for them to turn a profit. By then it will be too late.

But they like totally pwned Apple, so like, LOLZ and stuff.

RE: offtopic
By Pirks on 2/16/2012 4:09:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I know they are buying their market share using same tricks as MS does with Bing and Xbox. Still funny to see how anti-RIM trolls approve the same actions from MS but start crying when RIM does this. Just an observation on my side.

RE: offtopic
By StevoLincolnite on 2/16/2012 8:03:11 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I know they are buying their market share using same tricks as MS does with Bing and Xbox.

Except the Xbox is very profitable.
Microsoft went in with the Xbox loosing money on each console sold. (Just like Sony.)
Then they make up for that loss with accessories and games.
At this point, it would not surprise me if Microsoft was making money on the actual console, being old technology and all.

RE: offtopic
By Pirks on 2/16/2012 8:06:12 PM , Rating: 2
Xbox is very profitable
I don't see why Playbook can't become profitable in the future too, if RIM keeps buying market share like that

RE: offtopic
By TakinYourPoints on 2/20/2012 5:17:05 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft initially lost a lot of money on the razor (XBox 360) hoping to make it back selling razor refills (games and proprietary accessories). They eventually did. It took them years but the razor itself also finally became cheap enough to produce that it could also be profitable.

What surrounding products around the Playbook can RIM sell in order to make money from it by buying market share? There are no overpriced accessories or proprietary software that they can sell for in the same quantities or with the same profit margins that Microsoft or Sony can with a game console.

The primary tablet hardware has to be profitable. Console logic doesn't apply to tablets. Hell, Apple doesn't even make that much from application sales, and they sell apps in higher quantities than anyone. Mobile applications and media don't carry the same profit margins that games do for Microsoft or Sony. Mobile apps and media function as a way to add value to the platform and to keep people buying the same hardware.

I don't see how the logic of buying market share with a console applies to a tablet, they are both use completely different income models.

RE: offtopic
By retrospooty on 2/16/2012 3:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
"Hehe, this is something to torture retrospooty wit"

Meanwhile, back in reality... RIM's worldwide sales drop... In a market that is growing like gangbusters, RIM managed to sell less. And will have no modern OS models for at least the next 2 quarters - IF all goes well.

Even long time IT holdouts are jumping.

Oh, yeah. RIM pwned alright. /rolls eyes

RE: offtopic
By Pirks on 2/16/2012 4:17:42 PM , Rating: 2
RIM's worldwide sales drop
From your Gartner numbers:
2011 sales - 51,541 units
2010 sales - 49,651 units

So, as usual, your anti-RIM lies and trolling is as clueless as ever.

As for Haliburton and others switching to iOS - RIM pays the price for having inferior app development platform compared to iOS but QNX will fix this.

Still, with Win8 and WP8 on the horizon RIM's prospects don't look so rosy now, QNX just got new tough competitor. I'm not as worried about iOS as I'm worried about WP8. Jee it'll be hard for RIM to compete with MS in addition to Apple.

RE: offtopic
By Pirks on 2/16/2012 4:23:00 PM , Rating: 2
Oops, I meant thousands of units, not units.

RE: offtopic
By retrospooty on 2/16/2012 4:35:00 PM , Rating: 2
"Still, with Win8 and WP8 on the horizon RIM's prospects don't look so rosy now"

He's finally starting to get it.

The only thing I can add is, what do you mean NOW? Rim has been circling the drain for a long time, regardless of what happens with Win8

RE: offtopic
By Pirks on 2/16/2012 5:22:04 PM , Rating: 2
Well, now means after I played with Win8 and its dev tools for a while. Before that I didn't consider iOS to be a serious contender application development wise, the operating system itself is kinda lousy third-rate shoddy software compared to the state of the art QNX but with Win8 the picture changes not in the RIM's favor definitely.

I don't mind you trolling RIM but please do not lie when you do so, like you lied above about "falling RIM sales".


RE: offtopic
By retrospooty on 2/16/2012 5:49:16 PM , Rating: 2
Okay, I was looking at Q4 v Q4 and it did go down. Also, keep in mind RIM themselves has announced that their global sales are declining and expected to decline further for the next 2 quarters. Its not like any sort of surprise. RIM has notified thier investors on it. Also, profit per unit is way down. The phones they are selling are not selling for the high price they used to sell at, because people don't want them. You can spin it all you want, you know its happening.

Oh goody...
By LordSojar on 2/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: Oh goody...
By messele on 2/16/12, Rating: -1
RE: Oh goody...
By Iaiken on 2/16/2012 6:48:00 PM , Rating: 1
Silly messele...

Apple knows that you can't start a power play by invading Poland, you have to build up to it. One step at a time.

RE: Oh goody...
By TEAMSWITCHER on 2/16/2012 2:17:58 PM , Rating: 1
It's still no where near as bad as Windows 8. Mac developers will follow Apple's lead and create Mac OS versions of mobile apps that can run in a movable/resizable window -or- full screen if the user prefers. Metro apps can only run in full screen. or in the small docked view mode, with a maximum of only two Apps visible at any one time.

RE: Oh goody...
By messele on 2/16/2012 2:29:15 PM , Rating: 2
Plus, Apple already previewed full screen switching for OS X apps long before Win 8. Nothing wrong with being inspired by a great idea but let's not forget who's playing 'follow the leader' here.

RE: Oh goody...
By Just Tom on 2/16/2012 4:21:34 PM , Rating: 3
Heck, Amiga had full screen switching almost 30 years ago.

RE: Oh goody...
By messele on 2/17/2012 2:10:26 AM , Rating: 2
Indeed, though it was a bit horrid to use they got their first. It's one of those things that was just begging for a touch pad as opposed to being invoked by a (triple?) key combo.

Still very innovative for its day and it was a proper API.

RE: Oh goody...
By Just Tom on 2/17/2012 7:16:14 AM , Rating: 2
I think it was right amiga key and M but it has been 20 years since I fired up my Amiga. I wonder if it still works.

RE: Oh goody...
By kattanna on 2/16/2012 2:43:03 PM , Rating: 2
A more iOS environment on a DESKTOP.

apple has for some time now been moving towards iOS as the platform for everything from their phones to soon their laptops/desktops.

in a 2-3 years they will be launching their new laptops using their own ARM CPU running not OSX, but iOS.

RE: Oh goody...
By hexxthalion on 2/17/2012 1:59:09 PM , Rating: 2
nope, it's the other way around, brining iOS features to Mac. All iOS 'features' in Mountain Lion are:

- notification centre - was needed
- reminders - was part of calendar and standalone app makes more sense
- notes as standalone app - is part of email app currently)
- messages - updated iChat client with support for iMessage
- share facility - nice to have this, makes sharing simpler
- twitter integration and flickr and vimeo for that matter, APIs will be available for 3rd party support
- did I forget something?

I really don't see this as OS X is becoming iOS. it's more giving iOS users more familiar interface on Mac and also ability to work/use basic set of apps on both platforms and are synced via iCloud.

RE: Oh goody...
By hexxthalion on 2/17/2012 2:03:00 PM , Rating: 2
forgot Airplay

what's still missing is iBooks and I don't know why

RE: Oh goody...
By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/2012 1:59:25 AM , Rating: 2
Except that they aren't enforcing a walled garden. As usual, people, most of whom don't even use Macs, are overreacting and spreading FUD.

Regarding Gatekeeper's default settings, any applications that are from the App Store or signed with a developer certificate (the free one you get for registering with Apple) can be launched without any warning. If you want to launch an app that hasn't been signed then you either get a UAC style warning, or you can just turn Gatekeeper off globally.


The entire point is that Apple wants to be able to blacklist developers who write malware. Mountain Lion does a check of that blacklist once a day. Without this security method, Apple can only blacklist app identifiers, which take 5 seconds to change, and even the malware can adapt to work around that (simply hijack safe identifiers). But there is no easy way for malware to hijack other developer's certificates because they are encrypted like any other security certificate is.

In one fell swoop Apple gains control of easily blocking malware, all while making it brain-dead simple for developers since they can be whitelisted without even needing to release their software through the App Store. If a developer chooses not to get on the whitelist, they can still release their software and users (the same ones technically savvy enough to turn off Gatekeeper or manually dismiss it per application) can install it.

It is a great approach, and I think it would be fantastic if Apple adopted it for iOS.

RE: Oh goody...
By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/2012 2:39:27 AM , Rating: 2
To be clear, app signing to protect users from malware is 100% the way to go to solve that problem. Some Linux distributions have been doing this for years already, and it is a good next step to push it to the developer level.

win versions
By kleinma on 2/16/2012 3:01:00 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft, with Windows 8, has moved to a 3-to-4-year development cycle.

Other than the XP to Vista timeframe which was exceptionally long, Microsoft has been in the same release cycle for pretty much ever. 2000 and XP were pretty close together but that was basically because they were merging the legacy Win9x stuff with the NT stuff to make XP. XP was to Win2000 what Win7 was to Vista (except for the fact Win2000 didn't have all the issues Vista did)

Win 95
Win 98
Win 2000
Win XP (2001)
Vista (2007)
Win7 (2009)
Win8 (2012)

RE: win versions
By MDGeek on 2/16/2012 3:34:12 PM , Rating: 1
Did you mistakenly left out Windows ME or was that an inconvinient truth?

RE: win versions
By bupkus on 2/16/2012 3:43:58 PM , Rating: 2
Irrelevant to the point made.

RE: win versions
By messele on 2/16/2012 3:57:34 PM , Rating: 2
So was Win95, could have started on Win98.

Windows NT should have been in there as that WAS relevant to the point.

Windows Yuppie Flu edition should have been in as that was to XP as Vista is to Win7 much more than Win7 is to Win8.

Try saying that 5 times. Now look in the mirror. Is Balmer staring back?

RE: win versions
By FastEddieLB on 2/16/2012 5:00:57 PM , Rating: 2
I thought ME was just the home version of 2000. ME did have some horrid, horrid problems though that even Vista didn't have.

RE: win versions
By Solandri on 2/16/2012 7:06:12 PM , Rating: 2
ME was based on the Win95 kernel which used cooperative multitasking (the app decided when it gave up the CPU). Basically it was a GUI shell running on top of a fancy version of DOS. It was way, way overdue for retirement (the Amiga had pre-emptive multitasking).

3.1 -> 95 -> 98 -> ME

Win2000 was derived from Windows NT, which ran in full protected mode, had real pre-emptive multitasking (the OS decided when the next app would get the CPU), and lots of other good features which you just couldn't do while maintaining backwards compatibility with DOS.

NT -> 2000 -> XP -> Vista -> 7

It's quite clear
By maven81 on 2/16/2012 2:05:14 PM , Rating: 2
They seem to be scared of what Windows 8 represents. But just wait, I'm sure they will claim they invented these ideas and then claim that Microsoft is copying them.
That's the only explanation for why they are pushing it out so fast when Lion itself is only on 10.7.3 and still has a large number of bugs.

RE: It's quite clear
By theapparition on 2/16/2012 2:39:37 PM , Rating: 2
They're not bugs, they are undocumented features.

RE: It's quite clear
By Tony Swash on 2/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: It's quite clear
By hexxthalion on 2/17/2012 1:51:18 PM , Rating: 2
what bugs? i keep reading about bugs in lion but I haven't dissevered any yet myself. haven't had a single crash, everything works as it should, simply no problems

RE: It's quite clear
By maven81 on 2/18/2012 10:44:36 PM , Rating: 2
Kernel panics, can't properly communicate with active directory, problems waking up from sleep, and my personal favorite, every once in a while it refuses to select a window that's behind another window. I go back and fourth 4 or 5 times before it finally works. Read that again, "the world's most advanced desktop operating system" can't properly select a window. It's a sad joke, and the fact that they decided to abandon it and release yet another version is proof of that.

RE: It's quite clear
By TakinYourPoints on 2/20/2012 5:07:59 AM , Rating: 2
Haven't run into any of those issues. Then again, I waited until 10.7.2 to upgrade, learned my lesson with 10.5 which was absolutely atrocious for the first few months.

Dated OS
By B3an on 2/16/2012 5:07:45 PM , Rating: 4
Windows 8 will s*** all over this.

Clearly just a cheap and quick response to Win 8.

RE: Dated OS
By Pirks on 2/16/2012 7:22:13 PM , Rating: 2
Windows 8 will s*** all over this
Yeah you wish :)))

Oops! :D

By FastEddieLB on 2/16/2012 4:58:30 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly. In order to say that they have one you have to ignore the existence of every variant of Linux, OSX and Google Chrome.

RE: Monopoly
By bobsmith1492 on 2/16/2012 5:06:44 PM , Rating: 2
Not a problem... ;-)

Should be named OS X.8
By mlambert on 2/16/2012 4:13:24 PM , Rating: 2
Cause saying "Oh ess ten ten dot eight" is awkward.

RE: Should be named OS X.8
By Kdog79 on 2/19/2012 11:16:11 AM , Rating: 2
Everyone finished?

You guys are retards! Go out meet people and if you can get laid lol.

Mac OS X 11? Really?
By foolsgambit11 on 2/19/2012 8:47:24 PM , Rating: 2
So there will be a "Mac Oh-Ess Ten Eleven"? I'm betting they'll do Mac OS XI 11.0, if they keep the naming system at all. Most likely, they'll either change the naming system entirely, or stick with Mac OS X 10.10. Or Mac OS X 10.A? Because they'll mix Roman Numerals with both base 10 and hexadecimal?

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