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Associated Press poll finds IM is used to say things to people users wouldn't normally say

Many adults and teens use instant messenger (IM) services like AIM and MSN to take care of business and talk to friends. Anyone that has used IM programs before will understand the relative anonymity makes it easier to say things you might not say face-to-face.

The Associated Press took a poll of adult and teen IM users to get an idea of what they used IM software to do and how many IM’s they sent each day. Four in ten teens that use IM services say they use it to say things they would be afraid to say in person.

For instance, the poll shows that 22 percent of IM users surveyed have used IM to ask people out on a date or to accept a date when asked out. 13 percent of users polled also admit to using IMs to break up with boyfriends or girlfriends.

One of the polled teens, 17-year old Cassie Holbert said, "If they freak out or something, you don't see it, and if I freak out, they don't have to see it."

Another IM user polled, Lewis Grove, a 19-year old college student, says he has used IMs for breaking up and asking new dates out.

Grove told the AP, “Fear of rejection — if you're face-to-face, you can't close out the window and disappear if you've been rejected.” The poll shows that nearly 50 percent of girls and one third of boys have used instant messenging to say something they wouldn’t say in person.

Adults report using IMs from work: the poll shows eight in ten adults use instant messenging at work, yet this poll is highly subjective per industry. For instance technology workers and those in marketing would likely tend to use IM more than others.

Teens also report multitasking much more frequently than adults while sending messages. The poll shows six in ten teens claim to do homework while messaging.

The poll shows that nearly 50 percent of teens use IM while only one in five adults use IM services. The poll was based on a survey of 410 teens and 836 adults and was conducted on October 25 to November 5 by Knowledge Networks for AP.

With the rise of Unified Communications and other protocols like Skype, instant messenging might reach new corporate clients and other demographics not likely to pick up more traditional IM clients.  Even without expanding its userbase, instant messenging is already so much engrained in online culture that polls like these carry increasing social weight.



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Yea
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/16/2007 6:55:37 PM , Rating: 5
Sounds like kids these days are just becoming spineless and weak. Less and less have the guts to do anything that might stick to them for a long time to come. Kinda sounds like the general idealism in the U.S. in the last few years. Fewer and fewer people have a spine and its starting to become very apparent.




RE: Yea
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/16/2007 6:58:55 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah but its hard to talk to your GF dirty over the phone when she's living at home :) AIM to the rescue?!


RE: Yea
By nayy on 11/18/2007 11:02:15 PM , Rating: 3
Please give your self a six!


RE: Yea
By True Strike on 11/19/2007 1:10:45 PM , Rating: 3
I agree! LMAO


RE: Yea
By MFK on 11/23/2007 4:09:37 AM , Rating: 2
The most hilarious thing is, I'm doing that as we speak!!!!
:P :P :P


RE: Yea
By gigahertz20 on 11/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: Yea
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/16/2007 7:09:53 PM , Rating: 5
As sad as it is, incidents like that are more likely when the individual's only social interface is "imaginary" as with IM. It's hard to learn healthy social behavior if you're having a relationship with a computer.


RE: Yea
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/16/2007 7:20:26 PM , Rating: 5
Unfortunately true. This will only encourage such behavior to occur more frequently in the future...


RE: Yea
By FITCamaro on 11/16/2007 7:27:12 PM , Rating: 4
I'm with you guys. Anyone who would ask someone out on a date, or accept said date, via a text message is just pathetic. Have the balls to do it in person. Same with breaking up. Or hell, at least call them.


RE: Yea
By bpurkapi on 11/16/2007 7:45:31 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree, problem is that this shit is sweeping the nation and will not stop. Our old ways of socializing are being replaced by im, txt, and email. At the same time I wish I had the balls to ask a chick on a date over IM, what shameless crap is that?


RE: Yea
By spluurfg on 11/16/2007 7:58:26 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, and using the phone to break up or ask people out on dates is just as pathetic. Also, I'd like the taxman to come to my door to collect a percentage of my crops.

C'mon guys, it's technology... you can't fight it. I would strongly recommend any friend not to break up over the internet, but I'm sure back in the day people had the same reactions to the phone versus face to face. I had to break up with someone largely over instant messaging because it costed a fortune to make long distance phone calls on a cell phone. I sure would have liked to have been able to have that long, drawn out, and painful conversation face to face or even by voice, but hey, that's life -- I wasn't going to wait 6 months to speak to them in person and couldn't really afford $100 for each 45 minute call.

It's all very well to sit around and take the moral highground, and I guess I'm with you that one should only do something by text that they are willing to in person, but don't go bashing texts in general and thinking every young kid is a spineless punk.


RE: Yea
By Alexstarfire on 11/16/2007 8:09:30 PM , Rating: 2
That's exactly the situation I was thinking of. There are certain times when text messaging or IMing is the only way to really do it. I've largely been communicating when my GF while she's in Taiwan, going on a month now, but it's not because I'm impersonal or anything. It has to do with the fact that not only would calling cost a fortune, for me to call her at least, bet her family over there doesn't speak English. If they pick up then I'm just sh!t out of luck, and it costs a pretty penny just to connect the call.

Of course, I've also been using my webcam and microphone to send her video messages, so perhaps that would count as at least a face-to-text convo.

Can't even forget that I had to ask out my GF the first time over AIM. I was partially afraid, but it was more that it was like midnight and she lives at her parents house. Her parents are SUPER strict on her. To be honest, I think they'd rather her not talk to guys on the phone. I could have waited until I saw her again, but I didn't feel like waiting until she randomly came over to my house sometime in the next few days.

I say that if you have to break up with someone over email or IM or such, that you better have a damn good reason for it. If it's because you think it's awkward and/or embarrassing then you probably shouldn't have been together in the first place.


RE: Yea
By FITCamaro on 11/16/2007 8:16:23 PM , Rating: 2
There's obviously nothing wrong with talking to someone on IM or text messages. Especially if they're in another part of the country. And if you're dating someone long distance and feel the need to break up, obviously you can't do it face to face. Also the long distance argument doesn't fly anymore.

But to break up with someone via IM or text message when you live in the same city, thats just pathetic.


RE: Yea
By FITCamaro on 11/16/2007 8:21:23 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry. Should clarify. I meant long distance charges. But international rates are another thing.


RE: Yea
By gaakf on 11/17/2007 8:27:21 AM , Rating: 1
Its called SKYPE people. Use it! Its cheap and it doesn't give you the excuse of international rates.


RE: Yea
By afkrotch on 11/17/07, Rating: -1
RE: Yea
By spluurfg on 11/17/2007 12:19:05 PM , Rating: 2
Lol cause skype always works with no lag and the other party doesn't sound like they're underwater sometimes... I know some universities ban pretty much all ports cause they're insane about p2p, making pretty much anything else (Games/voip/etc) a pain in the rear.


RE: Yea
By tedrodai on 11/19/2007 12:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
Without making any assumptions about where you live and what cell phone plans are like there, I just felt like pointing out that my cheap cell phone plan for the past 6 years has allowed me to call anywhere in the US without long-distance charges (as long as I don't roam out of the state I bought the plan from).

You talk about not fighting technology, but hell, even the IM programs have built-in voice chat functionality nowadays. In college 3-4 years ago, a few high school friends and I (separated by several states) used AIM to voice chat while playing online games together. There's no distance barrier there...all you need is some sort of microphone for each computer and the same program you're using to IM each other.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to judge the situation you were in, but as technology improves, communication techniques improve and become more readily available--not the opposite. And let's face it--if people had the same reactions back in the day about phone break-ups, that type of reaction is no less valid today just because people happen to do it all the time now. If in the future it becomes the 'norm' to ask out/break up via IM's, people aren't necessarily better just because they're following the popular technology trend.

Of course it's stupid to generalize and say things like 'every young kid is a spineless punk' because of this trend, but I'm willing to put money on my guess that for everyone that broke-up via IM with a reason like yours, there's 2+ that did so because they didn't want to face up to the uncomfortable conversation.


RE: Yea
By spluurfg on 11/20/2007 10:32:53 PM , Rating: 2
That's a fair point, and with regard to:

quote:
Of course it's stupid to generalize and say things like 'every young kid is a spineless punk' because of this trend, but I'm willing to put money on my guess that for everyone that broke-up via IM with a reason like yours, there's 2+ that did so because they didn't want to face up to the uncomfortable conversation.


You're probably right.

I suppose it's inevitable that with any new form of communications/media, it will be used to increase productivity and convenience, call in sick without being sick, and porn.


RE: Yea
By techyguy on 11/17/2007 6:14:24 PM , Rating: 2
At least technology got us out of the prehistoric age.
Guy clubs woman he likes. Guy drags woman away.


RE: Yea
By wordsworm on 11/19/2007 3:39:45 AM , Rating: 2
It's not a relationship with a computer. Kids using computers is just a medium. Having a relationship with a computer would mean having a program, such as Oblivion, and feeling that you have a relationship with one of the characters in the story.

Anyways, you ought to consider that our grandparents' generation did some really lousy things, like putting Japanese and Chinese in concentration camps during WWII. While we like to say they fought in WWII for freedom, the reality is different. They fought for English control and autonomy, not to mention some of the other European power brokers. I don't know about the US as much as Canada, so I'm just speaking about Canadian history. This is not to mention what we did to the Natives: Stole land from them to give to WWII vets while not doing the same for Native vets. These are examples of what I call 'unhealthy social behavior.'

With text message:
Text message (Kim Jong Il): I will dismantle nukes for more porn!
Text message (President Roh): No problem. You get 1/2 TB porn now, 1/2 TB after it's dismantled.

Without text message:
"Let's bomb an airliner! That'll send a message!"


RE: Yea
By ice59 on 11/19/2007 5:09:35 PM , Rating: 2
While I'm not quite sure about the land in Canada, I'm pretty sure that we were fighting for the freedom of countries like poland, france, belgium, china, etc. Who, by the way, were all invaded. As I remember the Allies weren't the one who started the war.

Having said that the concentration camps for the japanese in America was reprehensible and way out of line.

Still, it doesn't mean the war was fought for greed or control.


RE: Yea
By kinnoch on 11/16/2007 7:06:05 PM , Rating: 2
I can see the future of Grandpa stories: "Back when I was a kid we had to break up over the phone"


RE: Yea
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/16/2007 7:19:33 PM , Rating: 2
Back when I was a kid we had a computer that was only 33Mhz. My kids (Should I ever have any) will laugh at me. Back when I was a kid, we didn't have the internet or cell phones, we had to mail letters and call their house. Whoa those were the days.


RE: Yea
By siberus on 11/16/2007 9:06:57 PM , Rating: 1
xD Back when I was a kid windows was black and white and had no windows in it! :D


RE: Yea
By wordsworm on 11/16/2007 10:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
xD Back when I was a kid windows was black and white and had no windows in it!

It wasn't called Windows in those days. It was MS DOS. You must have been very young at the time.


RE: Yea
By CascadingDarkness on 11/19/2007 1:19:27 PM , Rating: 2
Windows for Workgroups 3.1 FTW!


RE: Yea
By PrezWeezy on 11/19/2007 4:51:49 PM , Rating: 2
You got me beat by a generation. I started on NT 4.0


RE: Yea
By Justin Case on 11/17/2007 11:21:06 AM , Rating: 5
Back when I was a kid, windows were a device used to see through walls.


RE: Yea
By TSS on 11/18/2007 5:55:58 AM , Rating: 2
a 5 of awesomeness for you sir. best thing i've read in a while.

i'm 20 so the furthest i can go back is back when i was a kid, 640k was enough for everyone :P


RE: Yea
By wordsworm on 11/18/2007 7:57:27 PM , Rating: 2
I remember when all the Apple fans enjoyed poking fun at Windows for this. I think they had 1 or 2MB. I remember thinking at that time that this could only buy them a maximum of 1-2 years advantage. Now we're back at it... maxed out at 4.2 GB. Well, 64bit ought to be good enough 18,446,744,073 GB of memory. I think it would be safe for Windows to come out and say that that will suffice for any computing need - at least for the next 62 years (should RAM continue to double every 1.5 years). By then the Bush family will have 1 ring to rule us all for their mighty overlords.


RE: Yea
By darkpaw on 11/16/2007 11:12:55 PM , Rating: 5
Lol, funny thing was first girl I ever actually asked out was via fax (over 10 years ago).

Damn IM, in my day we had to wait for the fax to print out first..

Yah, I'm weird.


RE: Yea
By FITCamaro on 11/16/2007 11:23:02 PM , Rating: 4
I don't know if thats really funny or really sad.


RE: Yea
By theapparition on 11/18/2007 1:08:59 PM , Rating: 3
Easy for me, I've never broke up over the phone. Just stopped calling. As times advanced, just stopped emailing. Now, I'll just stop IM'ing.

See how easy confrontations are when you aviod them altogether. :)


RE: Yea
By darkpaw on 11/18/2007 8:09:11 PM , Rating: 5
Do you work for the UN by chance?


RE: Yea
By Captain Orgazmo on 11/16/07, Rating: 0
RE: Yea
By nerdtalker on 11/16/2007 9:52:57 PM , Rating: 2
I take personal offense to your completely arrogant, irresponsible, and reprehensibly-ignorant comments regarding the "current crop of teens," as a member of this supposedly brain dead demographic.

First of all, if you want to blame anyone for the current state of affairs, blame yourself. It's your generation that has raised us this way, your generation that has caused NATO to be "gutless" and weak, and your generation that has created the nearly limitless number of problems of near unmanageable scale (energy crisis, social apathy, political upheaval, war, poverty, bankrupting the federal government, bankrupting us of morals, innocence, and standards) that WE will have to solve. It has been YOU and YOUR generation in power, YOU and YOUR generation in control, and YOU and YOUR generation picking the elected officials that have steered public policy. It has been YOU and YOUR generation that have made all the policy decisions up until now. Myself and my generation are no more responsible for the present state of affairs than you are for what the generation behind you left you with.

Take a look in the mirror, our present state of affairs is a reflection of your generation, not ours. The last thing we're going to need to get motivated to fix the crap you've left us is a holier-than-thou attitude like yours.

I think it speaks volumes about you that the first thing you do is point fingers at the people that have been around shortest for creating the problems that have been around longest. That is why we're where we are. Not because we're apathetic.

And by the way, I've asked all my dates out in-person. They all said yes.


RE: Yea
By Ringold on 11/16/2007 10:55:30 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
They all said yes.


Well, congratulations for you, big-shot.

quote:
whine whine whine whine


When you exit your teens, and your ego (hopefully) shrinks, you'll see that one can speak in generalizations without reaching across the internet and pointing directly at you -- particularly when the generalization holds some water. Further liberalization of society has been a trend for, what, 300 years at this point?

Might as well leave the victimhood crap back in your teens as well; it won't get you anywhere productive.


RE: Yea
By nerdtalker on 11/17/07, Rating: 0
RE: Yea
By Scabies on 11/17/2007 4:37:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's obvious that despite you being physically older, you still maintain the mentality of your average pre-pubescent. Take a look in the mirror.

This statement could be very easily turned back at you. Take into account being offended by a point raised by Capt. O. that in no way singled you out.
There's a bit of a flaw in your above argument, where you state that it is this generation that will have to clean up the crap from the last. Have you stopped to think that this job was also given to your parents, and theirs before that? If history is any indication, the children of today will be least motivated and least likely to act when compelled to improve the world for their own children.
quote:
your generation that has caused NATO to be "gutless" and weak, and your generation that has created the nearly limitless number of problems of near unmanageable scale ...

you ALMOST figured that out. Too bad.


RE: Yea
By Christopher1 on 11/17/07, Rating: -1
RE: Yea
By kyp275 on 11/17/2007 7:52:18 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
if we were to make drugs legal (liberalizing society), all the murders connected with them would disappear


yea, replaced by all the extra death from idiots who OD'd, and immense increase in cost to society in the form of extra medical care required for the druggies who hasn't managed to kill them yet, and a generally less-productive workforce.

That aside, personally, you've crossed the line and went way beyond when you suggested child sex abuse laws is not needed and that child sex is ok.

quote:
they've been brainwashed by society to think that they are when they consented or were neutral towards the sexual relationships they were in as teenagers and children.


brainwashed by society? they're STILL CHILDREN for crying out loud, most of them aren't capable of making mature and informed decision for themselves, which is why there are so many depraved predators out there looking to take advantage of them.

You can raise your kid however you want, but from the sound of it, I hope child services find you first.

quote:
If we would stop making it appear that sex is 'bad' and 'wrong'...... hey, no more rapes, because the people who have high libidos (like myself) wouldn't have to rape people (though I have never done that) because they would actually be able to find people who weren't so sexually repressed.


I don't know where you're from, but I hardly think sex is bad or wrong, nor have I really met anyone who thinks so. Any person with half a brain and an eye can see today's society is far more open, save for a few of those neo/ultra-conservatives, but then crazy knuckle-heads is part of any era.

BTW, I don't think it's a problem with a lack of people who aren't sexually repressed. After all, just because someone isn't "sexually repressed" doesn't mean they'd want to have sex with you or anyone who's got a boner. If you can't find someone who'd want to be with you, chances are they have a good reason to refuse you in the first place.

quote:
The more liberal a society gets and the less 'morality' that is pushed on people, the better the society gets and the better able people are to deal with disappointments in life WITHOUT resorting to violence.


I failed to see a connection between a liberal society and whether or not a guy would freak out when some girl rejects him, neither would a liberal society somehow magically make it easier for kids in school who are being bullied by others.

Frankly, all I see is you whining that you don't get to do whatever you want and get to sex0r everyone you see. :rolleyes:


RE: Yea
By Ringold on 11/17/2007 2:23:23 PM , Rating: 2
I agree.

I'm not an expert on social sciences (economics doesn't tell me much about sex, and isn't something I can talk about at a party to get any) but it would seem to me to be logical that all of these "conservative" principles were developed in society as necessary, to some degree or another, for the smooth functioning of civilization. We can't simply act uninhibited; we did that once as a species, and we lived to the ripe old age of 20 and called the praire home. Places around the world with the least social cohesion, and most wretched standards of living, seem to be those where all the rules have broken down -- Somalia, for example. Rape what you want, shoot what you want, and if anyone complains, shoot 'em too!

Take drug abuse, for example. It's a social taboo because even if no one else ever is hurt, one less productive worker makes all of society less productive in the aggregate as well. Perhaps society goes too far in criminalizing something that can be a disease, like alcoholism, but that wasn't the debate. Of course, many people often do get hurt, so it's no surprise we're conditioned to look down upon such people and discourage that behavior in our own kids.


RE: Yea
By nekobawt on 11/17/2007 10:40:42 AM , Rating: 5
i'm sorry, i'm going to have to go off-topic here...
quote:
If we would stop making it appear that sex is 'bad' and 'wrong'...... hey, no more rapes, because the people who have high libidos [...] wouldn't have to rape people [...] because they would actually be able to find people who weren't so sexually repressed.

oh geez, where do i begin...? "wouldn't have to rape people?" "HAVE TO"?! what, you mean like "golly officer, it's not my fault i sexed him/her up without his/her consent, it's society's fault for not making sex ok in the first place"? at what point does having a high libido make it OK to violate another person, physically and emotionally? i'm trying to understand this, is it like having a large appetite making it ok to cannibalize? or mug someone because our consumer society told you having stuff is just grand?

in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with sex as long as both partners go in with proper protection against disease and pregnancy (unless babies are the point of the act, in which case have at it and good luck), as long as there's consent. from both parties.


RE: Yea
By coldpower27 on 11/19/2007 11:11:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If we would stop making it appear that sex is 'bad' and 'wrong'...... hey, no more rapes, because the people who have high libidos (like myself) wouldn't have to rape people (though I have never done that) because they would actually be able to find people who weren't so sexually repressed


A person will to live and right to live aka survival, if something endangers that, then steps need to be taken to stop whatever is causes that danger.

Consent, if you don't have their consent to do something, that should be the first warning light, that is possibly immoral, exceptions are only made in the case where the survival law is violated.

Sex is only bad and wrong if it violates certain principles and only in certain circumstances.

For instance sex between a minor and adult has been prohibited as we have determined that a minor doesn't have the intelligence/experience required to make a competent decision regarding consent.

Rape is also about dominance, so it targets people who are most likely to be vulnerable, aka women and children.

I agree from the point that if you don't stigmatize something as "bad" there is some drop in the levels of it occurring due to elimination of the thrill of doing something "illegal".

There is a biological basis our society put in place that sex is bad, as young people having children early in their lives is bad as they don't have the experience, money etc.. to do a competent job of it. This is somewhat mitigated due to the fact we have pretty effective contraceptives now.


RE: Yea
By rrsurfer1 on 11/17/2007 12:59:05 PM , Rating: 4
Another preverted comment from this child molestor - why is this guy still allowed to post? If you look at the guys post history, he really beleives in this stuff. Which is disturbing.


RE: Yea
By Scabies on 11/17/2007 1:43:46 PM , Rating: 2
...at first I wrote this off to sarcasm.......


RE: Yea
By SavagePotato on 11/17/2007 3:46:59 PM , Rating: 1
America in general does have a basis on this hardcore christian moral religious imperative to categorize sex as bad, but oddly in the same breath categorize extreme violence as okay.

However, that being said, the day society decides that molesting children is ok will be the day that it goes down the drain for good. Something that I surely hope never happens. You see these child molester advocates all over the place now, thinking they have some kind of creedence to get recognised the way gays and lesbians were.(I would be offended by the sheer notion if I were gay) I hope society never gets permissive enough to give into such nonsense and stop protecting it's children.

If it were me, I can say with 100% certainty I would have no moral issues with the idea of torture and murder for someone that did something like this to a member of my family. I'm personaly all for taking the bull by the horns and making people that do things like that disapear without a trace to a pig farm or the bottom of some very deep ravine somewhere.


RE: Yea
By StevoLincolnite on 11/18/2007 1:39:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, that being said, the day society decides that molesting children is ok will be the day that it goes down the drain for good.


That will never happen, -ALL- Children are innocent, its the world that makes the influences in which they should never have to come across.

quote:
You see these child molester advocates all over the place now, thinking they have some kind of creedence to get recognised the way gays and lesbians were.(I would be offended by the sheer notion if I were gay)


They should get recognized, and then get some help.
Its usually something that happened as a child growing up, or a something in they're mentality that has gone wrong.
And yes I am Gay, And yes I am offended by that notion, although I have never actually heard of such thing, then again I live in Australia and not America.

quote:
I hope society never gets permissive enough to give into such nonsense and stop protecting it's children.


About 3 months ago I watched my best friend go through labor, and trust me, carrying a child for 9 months, then spending 17 hours in a hospital, then being up and awake all hours of the morning and night, as well as feeding, cleaning, taking care of they're child... I think that child will always "have protection" - Which would be similar in situation to any parent, there is a bond watching you're own child born. - Truly an amazing event, although messy.


RE: Yea
By SavagePotato on 11/19/2007 9:31:28 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not familiar with Australia, however at least around here we have such wonderful organisations as the man boy love association, or nambla. Short for North American man boy love association.

This is basicaly a pedophillia advocacy group. Here In canada there have been a few cases of outspokenness by pedophiles on their beleif in legalisation.

I would say around here at least the perception is that more and more of it is being seen. That the attempt is being made by these types of people to get recognised not as needing help, but as a valid sexual interest.

Personaly I hope your points are right and common sense prevails, however seeing gays and lesbians go from where they were in say the 50's to where they are today says alot about the ability of society to change it's views. Now don't think I am comparing the two, but I certainly hope society doesn't take tolerance and turn it into a bad thing.


RE: Yea
By 3kliksphilip on 11/17/2007 12:00:22 PM , Rating: 2
I remember reading an article in college about how 'teenagers today are so wild and unruly compared to their parents generation' etc... it happened to be written in the 1600's. I think it's just a phase that people go through in life. I'm sorry that you were so offended by his comment- he succeeded in what he was trying to do. I work in McDonalds (And have been today for over 8 hours). I run about constantly and generally try to stick a metaphorical finger up at anybody who considers the Youth of Today to be lazy and pathetic. Plus I'm not the one eating there ;)

Recently I have used IM's to talk to a girl I like in college. It's so much easier than going up to her when she's with all of her friends, especially as they're all at least a year older than me and I remember some of them from primary and secondary school (Normally making my life a misery). Turned out she posted a load of horrible stuff on Bebo about me (It must be love for me to sign up to that to see her profile) and that attitude has been carried out into real life and now they completely ignore me. Sorry about saying all of that, I needed to say it somewhere.

I'm 18, live in England and use the computer to do pretty much everything I want, from revising to talking to people. It's not an 'easy way out' from talking to people in real life- it's purely a way of speaking to people with out prejudices and nothing to distract you from saying the words you're saying (In short, it could be easier than talking to people in real life, but it can also be harder, so it kind of balances things out). One thing I love about electronic forms of communication is that you don't know who you're talking to, so all of your prejudices are left behind and you take people for who they really are. A bit like Shallow Hal, but with invisible people.


RE: Yea
By Amiga500 on 11/17/2007 3:10:18 PM , Rating: 2
Your not wrong...

however don't expect too many people to have the balls to stand up and admit their/my (I suppose I'm kinda part of the younger decision making generation now too) generation has dropped the ball... repeatedly.


RE: Yea
By Captain Orgazmo on 11/17/2007 8:41:45 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, way take offense at nothing. I suppose I offended your delicate sensibilities? You just proved part of my point. I never blamed you, or your generation for anything, and I freely admit mine sucks pretty bad too. I am just making an observation in an open forum, and you are free to agree, disagree, or ignore it. You say you are not apathetic, good for you. Unfortunately, the fact is, the younger the age group, the least likely to vote, or get involved in policy-making. But I suppose maybe that is not such a bad thing, if you are representative of your generation. Knee-jerk reactions are not a sign of maturity or wisdom, and voters are dumb enough as it is.


RE: Yea
By myocardia on 11/19/2007 2:49:30 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
and gen-x raising their kids (the current crop of teens) to be the lamest generation (as opposed to the greatest generation - those who fought WWII and rebuilt the west afterwards).

When emerging powers like China begin to exert their will on the world in the coming years, they will find no push back.


So, now when he stands up for himself he's over-reacting? It looks to me like his post just completely proved your entire post wrong.;)


RE: Yea
By wordsworm on 11/16/2007 10:39:51 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Sounds like kids these days are just becoming spineless and weak.
Yes, it's better for people to keep their feelings inside. IM is going to give courage to those who were previously too afraid. We can't have that happen now can we Ken?


RE: Yea
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/19/2007 9:29:30 AM , Rating: 1
In several cases it's better to keep those feelings inside. Expressing them can have adverse side effects.


RE: Yea
By Kyanzes on 11/17/2007 9:47:46 AM , Rating: 2
In my read it means that people who wouldn't otherwise dare to initiate relationships finally stand some chance expressing their feelings. IT's :) not necessarely a bad thing.


One often overlooked factor...
By sweetsauce on 11/16/2007 11:44:22 PM , Rating: 4
is the amount of boys being raised by single women. If you analyze it, you'll see why our country is being pussified. Boys don't know how to be men anymore, they have girls for "friends", they "chat" all the damn time like little girls gossiping back and forth. I think its pathetic and sad. Women were told they were impowered and they didn't need men, which i agree with, UNLESS you plan on raising a healthy child. Boys need male guidance, and that is very much lacking in today's society.




RE: One often overlooked factor...
By Screwballl on 11/17/2007 12:09:36 AM , Rating: 3
I agree completely. I have seen this generation and deal with them daily, from the cross dressing 16 year old at Taco Bell to the morons that apply for jobs, this generation is a bunch of whiny helpless brats (granted there are exceptions but very few and typically from the small town or country).


RE: One often overlooked factor...
By SavagePotato on 11/17/2007 12:35:51 AM , Rating: 4
Did you ever stop to take that moment of realisation that you have reached that point in your life where you have become the whiny establishment looking down on those darn youth of today?

After reading this entire thread I would have to say I sure see alot of pride and prejudice. What is it to you if the 16 year old at the taco bell is a cross dresser? Or what is it to anyone if he grew up on the internet and comes from a vastly different generation than your own.

In the past people whined about the horrible evils of rock music ruining the nations youth. Now those youth have grown up and are whining about internet anonymity ruining the nations youth. I've seen the words sad and pathetic thrown around like candy in most of the comments here. What I think is sad and pathetic is looking down on others for not conforming to how you feel they should.


RE: One often overlooked factor...
By Screwballl on 11/17/2007 2:03:54 PM , Rating: 2
Choosing a destructive lifestyle such as we have mentioned here is the problem. I myself grew up on the internet (back before it was WWW but still), I see some from my own generation that are just as bad.
Conformity is not the issue, the issue is the lack of real person to person/face to face communication will breed an entire generation of emo kids when out in public will refuse to speak to anyone. Add on top of that the much lower education standards nationwide and we have an entire generation of mindless zombies walking around (the 2 hours per week they aren't at home) unable to make change for a 98 cent burger when you give them $1 simply because the computer did not tell them what the change was.
This is a real and honest problem whereas the rock music was just the conservative vocal group that was heard the most at that time. Add into this the liberal morons who say all competition in school is bad and now we have a generation of uneducated, non-communicative, egomaniacs. The country will be run by the ones that actually made a difference and only "played" with a computer rather than making it their life.


RE: One often overlooked factor...
By SavagePotato on 11/17/2007 3:32:19 PM , Rating: 2
Assuming that the majority of youth today fit into this objectionable category you paint a picture of, is just a good old tactic called generalisation.

There are always going to be less bright people that have to work at mcdonolds or sweep floors their whole life. Last I checked we still didn't have robots to do it.

People have been telling the US to wake the hell up on it's pathetic education standards for some time, thats nothing new. Bill Gates personaly goes around crusading for awareness on poor public education in America. However I'm not from America, and not all of the world shares in the educational crisis your country does right now.

Despite the fact that you are seeing these lazy kids that you don't like (hey there were plenty of them in the 60s too, they were called hippies), there are still plenty of intelligent kids out there. The cream rises to the top, and the ones from this generation will rise as well, on to college and university, and on to being the ceo's and leaders of tomorrow.


By sweetsauce on 11/17/2007 10:03:16 PM , Rating: 2
You can try to compare it to past generations all you want but it doesn't apply. Schools have been feeding kids the concept of being individuals, but the problem is this country became great through unity. Usually it takes something huge to unite us, but when it does, and it often does happen, we come together and theres no stopping us. That doesn't exist anymore because we've become a country of individual pussies. No one challenges authority in any manner, everyone just sits back and takes whatever is given to them. Its not a liberal/conservative thing because both sides are full of whackos with too much power, its the fact that the rest of us, and bet its probably about 90% of us whoare left in the middle, don't like what the others are doing but don't do a damn thing about it. Kids today see something to protest and they write a blog about it. WTF is a blog going to do if you don't get your ass out there and actually do something about it. This generation prefers to let others deal with it, they don't want to be bothered. Problem is everyone has that same attitude so nothing gets done.


RE: One often overlooked factor...
By wordsworm on 11/18/2007 8:17:03 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
what is it to anyone if he grew up on the internet and comes from a vastly different generation than your own.
He isn't man enough to cross dress. That takes real courage.

But you know... I remember Elsie Wayne (former Canadian MP) deriding cross dressers in pants. What makes that funny is that she looks old enough to remember when women were fighting for the right to wear pants - crossdressers of former generations. So, women have become more like men, and men more like women, to create an androgynous society.

The founding fathers of American democracy knew that if women could vote the whole country would degrade into pussies. That's why women weren't allowed to vote and they weren't even considered people. Heck, the real problem started when the Catholic church decided to vote in favor of giving women souls. Also in those days, blacks were enslaved and you could shoot horse thieves. No one cared if you shot an Ndian, and if the tribe tried to get justice, well, we could wipe out the whole village! Yee haw! Those were the days of real men and everyone's neck was red! Thank-dog those days are dog-gone.


RE: One often overlooked factor...
By sweetsauce on 11/19/2007 1:40:20 AM , Rating: 2
Can someone please translate wtf this guy just said?


RE: One often overlooked factor...
By wordsworm on 11/19/2007 2:40:58 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Can someone please translate wtf this guy just said?


It takes some guts to dress like a woman if one is so inclined. Some people will treat them violently, and many'll just treat them as subhuman. Doing this because one believes that's what they are, being oneself despite all the complications is an excellent display of courage. Finding people like this to show how macho you are, you can beat them up and make fun of them, that is an act of cowardice.

I don't choose to dress like that, but that doesn't mean I can't admire their spirit and courage. In any case, I imagine this reply went over your head as well.


RE: One often overlooked factor...
By UsernameX on 11/18/2007 1:32:28 PM , Rating: 2
Your Quote:

quote:
is the amount of boys being raised by single women. If you analyze it, you'll see why our country is being pussified.


Fight Club's Quote:
quote:
A generation of men raised by women. I’m wondering if another woman is the answer we really need.


... 'bout sums it up.


Trillian
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/16/2007 6:56:15 PM , Rating: 1
By the way, nice Kris. I use Trillian too, very handy.




RE: Trillian
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/16/2007 6:58:01 PM , Rating: 3
Haha that's Wolfgang's. I guess he has me on his MSN list ---


RE: Trillian
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/16/07, Rating: 0
RE: Trillian
By bravacentauri83 on 11/16/2007 8:02:49 PM , Rating: 2
Complete sidebar, but when is the new Trillian Astra supposed to be released?


RE: Trillian
By Screwballl on 11/17/2007 12:06:56 AM , Rating: 2
I prefer Pidgin, I don't like all the floofy extras... but thats just me.


RE: Trillian
By goku on 11/17/2007 1:09:35 AM , Rating: 2
Word on the use of trillian.


RE: Trillian
By Hare on 11/17/2007 3:22:46 AM , Rating: 2
The only thing it's missing is skype. That's the only reason I'm not using Trillian. Hopefully we'll see Skype sometime in the future.


Not my type
By fifolo on 11/16/2007 8:56:13 PM , Rating: 6
Hey, guys, this is not working out. I think we should read other people. Take care of yourselves.




RE: Not my type
By nayy on 11/18/2007 11:18:36 PM , Rating: 2
(Thank god he can't see me cry)


Pretty darn sure...
By JonnyDough on 11/16/2007 9:53:30 PM , Rating: 2
it's not JUST teens.




RE: Pretty darn sure...
By Chaser on 11/16/2007 10:02:37 PM , Rating: 2
No shit sherlock.


RE: Pretty darn sure...
By JonnyDough on 11/17/2007 12:30:29 PM , Rating: 3
I was talking about how it's not just teens using the internet to socialize, say things they wouldn't otherwise say, and avoid embarrassment. Older generations that were forced to use computers at work, or lose their jobs have learned how to use the internet, and have taught their peers. This study focuses on teens only, but has it questioned how the elderly and middle-aged and the twenty-thirty aged people have evolved? No. Therefore this entire article is irrelevant. Times change people. Human nature doesn't (or at least it's very very slowly). DEAL with it. You don't really have a choice about how the rest of society does anyway, and that INCLUDES the cross-dressing kid working at Taco Bell. To say that we're getting dumber is just naive. We simply learn different types of information. We may lack the skills of previous generations, but then my grandpa can't type 90wpm or fix a computer, and I can't fix a tractor.


RE: Pretty darn sure...
By JonnyDough on 11/17/2007 12:32:10 PM , Rating: 1
Also, please don't rate me down because you think I'm a teenager and you're better than me. I'm in my 30's.


The irony of these idiotic posts
By LumbergTech on 11/16/2007 10:51:09 PM , Rating: 2
THis is quite hilarious, insulting those who find it easier to communicate with someone by text..

as if people didnt used to write each other notes to ask them out etc..

yea these kids are just a bunch of pussies you know..they should just walk up to that girl and club her over the head and take her back to the cave..




By LumbergTech on 11/16/2007 10:54:29 PM , Rating: 2
i can understand why the breakup via text thing bothers people..but aside from using it to avoid shame because you are actually being a jerk, i dont see anything wrong with using it


RE: The irony of these idiotic posts
By ice59 on 11/19/2007 9:33:42 PM , Rating: 2
I just like how everyone that is talking down about communicating through the internet are doing just that. If its no good shouldn't they not support it?


By Chaser on 11/16/2007 8:12:11 PM , Rating: 2
We are talking about teenagers in this article. Instant messaging and maybe more importantly phone texting are becoming a primary means of communication during class, breaks, etc. So to US it might seem impersonable, or cowardous but to them its a way of life but the only people in their lives that see a huge difference between the two is probably their parents.




By sweetsauce on 11/17/2007 10:07:20 PM , Rating: 2
Easy way to stop this "trend" is to not give your 8 year old kids a damn phone. Parents today breed this kind of crap, which is why it exists. Nothing pisses me off more than watching a basketball game and seeing someone sitting courtside and staring down at their blackberry the whole damn time. HEY STUPID, YOU'RE THERE TO WATCH THE GAME, SO WATCH THE DAMN GAME.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/19/2007 9:38:06 AM , Rating: 1
What bugs me is these first or second graders with a cell phone. I mean WTF? Why in the hell do you give one to your kids at that age, who could they possibly need to call?


how soon people forget ...
By V2K on 11/17/2007 3:40:24 AM , Rating: 5
text messaging is nothing more than a more modern equivalent of passing notes in class. Kids are exactly the same no matter what tools they have.

Before that it was just as common to ask your friend to ask a girl or boy if they were interested in them as well. Notes in lockers, sliding them in desks, under doors ...

email, IM, SMS, notes, cards, third party setups ... same things, different decades.




Excessive reaction
By Dfarce on 11/18/2007 4:50:08 PM , Rating: 1
As far as I am concerned you are all getting too worried over nothing. Sure teens use IMs to do things they wouldn't do in person, but its not because they are weak, its because it is easier. Think of it, if you had an easier way of asking out/ breaking up with a girl, would you use it? OF COURSE! Nevertheless, you would assume that you did the right thing and that to take use the easier and more efficient way would be the cowardly way out. However, if you were put in the same position and lacked the hindsight you do now, I am sure you would have done the same thing. As for the one of you who says that boys today are becoming "pussies" because they talk to girls too much, it makes me wonder how you ever got at all far in life while thinking that talking to the opposite sex made you a "pussy". I will however admit that it is true that teens are quite arrogant, but I am sure that you were the same way when you were a teen.

Oh, and FYI, I'm 16 and live in Canada. I do not cross dress, and I value my friendships with girls.




RE: Excessive reaction
By sweetsauce on 11/19/2007 1:57:30 AM , Rating: 1
I'll elaborate for you. Men aren't supposed to be "friends" with women, thats what other men are for. It may sound old fashioned or stupid to you, so i'll try to see if I can persuade you to see my point. Men, in general, are logical creatures where women, in general, are emotional creatures. Logic dictates that you try to say as much as possible in as short a time as possible. Any guy here with a wife or steady girlfriend understands this point because they've all been subjected to this. A woman will start to tell you a story about something, then maybe 30 secs in to the story she branches off in to 20 different side stories and 30mins later both of you don't remember what the conversation was about. Me, being the logical creature that i am, wants to put a bullet in my head to end the misery that is that type of conversation because that is my nature. To a woman, this type of conversation is perfectly normal. Now i know there are exceptions to this, but it holds up in general. Now when a guy thinks this type of interaction is perfectly normal, then theres a problem. Now you may think, "why does that matter, i can talk to girls about utter nonsense also," you may be right, but what you are doing is going against your nature. It may sound dumb but if you look at everyday life in america today, you'll see why something as trivial as this can cause the disfuntion in relationships that exists today in society. Men and women are different, and the more we try to be "the same" the more miserable our everyday life becomes.


RE: Excessive reaction
By ice59 on 11/19/2007 10:07:14 PM , Rating: 2
Men and women aren't supposed to be friends? What? I guess I also shouldn't have any black friends. After all thats what white people are for, right?

What you say is probably the most misogynist thing I've read in a while. If that's how you really feel, I feel sorry for you.

Yes, men and women are different. Yes men should have male friends, but the other sex, stereotypes aside, do have interesting things to say.

Besides, personally, I think surrounding myself with women has its advantages.


huh?
By Gul Westfale on 11/19/2007 2:01:29 AM , Rating: 2
so we got 12 year old girls who dress and act like hookers, emo-tards who dress and act like 12 year old girls, white suburban boys hanging out around black people only because it makes them feel like gangsters and that is somehow a good thing, black kids walking around like the stereotypes their parents and grandparents were fighting against, and what used to be proper metalheads now listens to weak-ass crap like fall out boy.

and then they are embarrassed about talking to each other? like they have nothing else to be embarrassed about? retards.




RE: huh?
By JudasPriest on 11/19/2007 12:13:29 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a metalhead. I think Korn aren't metal, I think Limp Biskit, Slipknot, and all of these "nu-metal" bands are not metal.

I'm 22, so I guess I'm part of the new generation you're referring to. Just because there are people claiming to be metalheads, while barely having an idea about Michael Schenker, Ritchie Blackmore, Tony Iommi, etc. and their music, it shouldn't reflect negatively on the many real metalheads that in the new generation. We are far outnumbered by fans of Linkin park, but that shouldn't reflect negatively on us at all. Just because Linkin Park,Slipknot and other fake metal band fans claim to be avid fans of metal, it doesn't make them so, and it shouldn't prompt you to call the real metal fans weak-asses.


hilarious
By cessation on 11/18/2007 12:59:37 PM , Rating: 3
This is got to be the funniest posts/comments I've seen on dailytech. A bunch of nerds arguing if text messaging over certain subjects is manly enough or not.




By montgom on 11/18/2007 1:31:06 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone who takes this report seriously must understand that it is probably biased and not true.

The media loves to incite the reader. If they had determined that the kids use IM rarely (13%) and are for the most part normal, who would read it?

Bottom line, don't trust the media.
Bob




Lifeline
By oneils on 11/19/2007 10:25:15 AM , Rating: 2
I think we are forgetting that for some people IM or the internet is really a lifeline. There are some people who, without these tools, probably wouldn't be able to interact socially because they are just that awkward.

I'm betting that these tools have actually made some people more sociable and connected.

But, I guess I can conceed the point that IM can be used as a crutch.




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