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OCZ unleashes SSDs tailored for desktop users

The market for Solid State Drives (SSDs) continues to expand. While SSDs first started off being outrageously expensive due to the use of SLC NAND memory, cheaper MLC NAND technology has brought SSDs to a more mainstream audience.

Traditionally, SSDs have been offered in a 2.5" or 1.8" form-factor which is most popular with notebooks, ultra-portable notebooks, and netbooks. 2.5" SSDs can be easily added to desktop systems using 3.5" mounting brackets, but OCZ Technology is looking to cut out the middleman altogether.

OCZ today formally announced its new Colossus Series SSDs which use the 3.5" form-factor that desktop users are familiar with. The additional room within the 3.5” casing also allows OCZ to offer Colossus SSDs in capacities of up to 1TB whereas most mainstream 2.5" SSDs top out at around 256GB.

The drives use an internal RAID-0 architecture (Indilinx SSD controllers plus a Silicon Image RAID controller) to boost performance -- reads, writes, and sustained writes are listed at 260MB/sec, 260MB/sec, and 220MB/sec respectively for the 250GB, 500GB, and 1TB Colossus drives. The 120GB Colossus shares its larger brothers read and write speeds, but its sustained writes are only listed at 140MB/sec.

“The new Colossus Series is designed to boost desktop and workstation performance and is for high power users that put a premium on speed, reliability and maximum storage capacity,” noted Eugene Chang, VP of Product Management at the OCZ Technology Group. “The Colossus core-architecture is also available to enterprise clients with locked BOMs (build of materials) and customized firmware to match their unique applications.” 

OCZ provides all of its Colossus drives with a 3-year warranty. Amazon lists the prices of the 120GB, 250GB, and 500GB, and 1TB Colossus drives at $609, $1,123, $1,770, and $3,572 respectively. ZipZoomFly has slightly more sane pricing at $438, $827, and $1,531 respectively – the retailer doesn't have pricing for the massive 1TB model.

Updated 11/23/2009
PC Perspective has posted a review of OCZ's Colossus SSD



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Let's see...
By FoxFour on 11/17/2009 7:10:13 PM , Rating: 5
One 1 TB Colossus SSD <or> thirty-five 1.5 TB 5400 rpm HDD's.

Wow.




RE: Let's see...
By retrospooty on 11/17/09, Rating: -1
RE: Let's see...
By monomer on 11/17/2009 7:37:58 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, I had the option of buying 1 car or 35 bikes. I chose the bikes since 35 of them in parallel can carry more people than a single measly car.


RE: Let's see...
By HrilL on 11/17/2009 7:53:13 PM , Rating: 3
That may be true but a Car holding 5 people can move 35 people in less time over a long distance then 35 people each on their own bike.


RE: Let's see...
By jdietz on 11/17/2009 10:33:18 PM , Rating: 1
No.
A person on a bike travels at 5MPH. A person in a car travels at 50MPH. These are good estimates; don't question them. The car holds six people - the driver and five others.

You must travel 10 miles to work. The 35 people on bikes will need two hours. The car will need to make 11 10-mile trips which will take 2 hours 12 minutes. The car is slower. Additional utility has been gained though (some of the car people were at work much sooner than two hours).


RE: Let's see...
By Diesel Donkey on 11/17/2009 11:05:45 PM , Rating: 5
So the cyclists are moving at just over a brisk walking pace?

Oops, that was a question, wasn't it? :)


RE: Let's see...
By CrazyBernie on 11/17/2009 11:18:04 PM , Rating: 5
1. Your bikes are slow as hell. I'm not questioning your estimate, I'm refusing to accept it.

2. The car vs bike analogy is a pretty poor comparison to begin with...

I'd say it's more like a large box truck vs. a fleet of big rigs, since you're also talking about storage.


RE: Let's see...
By TETRONG on 11/18/2009 12:29:24 AM , Rating: 3
You're either an idiot or an asshole. Very likely both. Don't question it!


RE: Let's see...
By Icehearted on 11/18/2009 5:01:37 AM , Rating: 5
I just love that this disintegrated into a debate about vehicular travel preferences. DT users are so unpredictable and deliciously tempered.

I'm not so in love with the (oh big surprise here btw) heart-stoppingly steep prices. Pioneers of tech will and must bite in order for progress to ensue, but their wallets have my pity.


RE: Let's see...
By Ristogod on 11/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: Let's see...
By redbone75 on 11/23/2009 2:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
I must be the only one to see the humor in this post... Hopefully, it will get rated up (currently at 1, pity).


RE: Let's see...
By Yawgm0th on 11/18/2009 3:27:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
A person on a bike travels at 5MPH. A person in a car travels at 50MPH.
Only if the bike is being towed by someone jogging slowly will it travel at 5MPH. The car will be going 50MPH at the risk of being pulled over for going to slow on the highway or of being shot by an armed road rager.

These are good estimates; don't question them. No question about them: they're outrageously bad estimates.


RE: Let's see...
By bludragon on 11/19/2009 1:35:23 AM , Rating: 2
Just to help out all those people complaining about how good the speed estimates are.
1. the accuracy of the figures are really not the point
2. average speed. To average 50 on my commute, I'm pretty sure I'd have to hit 100 whenever I wasn't being held up by a traffic or a light.


RE: Let's see...
By Kaleid on 11/23/2009 8:03:32 PM , Rating: 2
When it comes to loading a lot of data I'd rather have a truck than a Ferrari.


RE: Let's see...
By teko on 11/18/2009 2:21:16 PM , Rating: 5
The better comparison is: buy a Ferrari or 35 Honda Civics.


RE: Let's see...
By walk2k on 11/17/2009 7:49:45 PM , Rating: 5
Exactly, at these prices I think I'll just wait an extra 3 seconds for my PC to boot up thanks anyway.


RE: Let's see...
By CommodoreVic20 on 11/24/2009 11:38:26 AM , Rating: 2
Although in theory I agree with you, it isn't 3 seconds. You can read all the benchmarks and info about SSD but until you actually own one and see the INCREDIBLE performance difference between them and a standard 7200 RPM drive, you just don't know.

Depending on your Windows setup ( applications installed ) your boot up time could be easily cut by a factor of 10. Once you're at the desktop the experience is phenomenal. You click on firefox and its INSTANTLY up. You never again EVER have to defrag. Running your Antivirus on the whole drive takes seconds to a few minutes not hours. It basically the missing link with computing in general. I think the best analogy would be like the difference from a 56k dial up modem to a broadband 50Mb cable connection. Once you experience SSD you will never be able to take rotary drive speeds again.


RE: Let's see...
By The0ne on 11/17/2009 8:03:54 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't worry, prices should start dropping off, more, by next summer. The tech should improve as well. I would urge buyers to wait a bit unless you have to have it NOW.


RE: Let's see...
By Sulphademus on 11/24/2009 9:17:53 AM , Rating: 2
This is what the More-Money-Than-Brains crowd is good for. Getting the bleeding edge technology out there so eventually it can become more mainstream and affordable for folks like me.


RE: Let's see...
By piroroadkill on 11/18/2009 4:04:34 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, at this cost it's pretty much for a handful of enterprise customers.

I'd take the 35 1.5TB drives any day


RE: Let's see...
By swizeus on 11/18/2009 6:50:22 AM , Rating: 1
Hey, i would choose to buy 2 1,5 TB 5400 drive, 1 500GB 15000rpm drive to boot and the other 2 1,5TB for backup...
So in the case 1 HDD fails, i just buy another one and it still in the budget.


RE: Let's see...
By inperfectdarkness on 11/18/2009 9:39:50 AM , Rating: 5
wake me up when the 1tb ssd price hits ~$500 (better not be jmicron drivers).

christ, hardcore gamers spend less on an entire gaming rig than that ssd costs. and for what? is my stored file playback somehow going to be stuttering unless i have an ssd?

good for servers, i guess. but with TRIM still being sketchy--i wouldn't pull the trigger.


The prices are nutz
By AliShawkat on 11/17/2009 7:07:45 PM , Rating: 5
I was waiting for a 3.5" ssd to be released hoping I'd get more capacity for the same price of a 2.5" version but these prices are nutz




RE: The prices are nutz
By Dug on 11/17/2009 7:13:35 PM , Rating: 2
way too much.


RE: The prices are nutz
By garbageacc4 on 11/17/09, Rating: -1
RE: The prices are nutz
By AliShawkat on 11/17/2009 8:24:38 PM , Rating: 5
stfu garbage


RE: The prices are nutz
By Einy0 on 11/18/2009 6:04:51 AM , Rating: 3
I understand your logic. You can have similar capacity in a larger form factor by using more modules of a lower density. Due to lower demand of the lower density chips, they're cost per GB should be lower. The larger area provided by the 3.5" form factor supplies a lot more room to accomplish this. This may be possible... I personally have no idea, really depends on flash prices / demand / how many individual devices one controller can support.


RE: The prices are nutz
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 11/18/2009 7:27:21 AM , Rating: 5
Exactly, now just add crystal meth, and you have the previous analysis.


RE: The prices are nutz
By CityZen on 11/18/2009 10:35:13 PM , Rating: 2
This is a 6!!!! :D


RE: The prices are nutz
By SavagePotato on 11/23/2009 6:46:40 PM , Rating: 2
Crystal meth alone can not do that.

You have to do crystal meth for at least 5 years, and have been oxygen deprived as an infant, as well as being raised by orangutans who ALSO were on meth for at least 5 years and kind of dumb for orangutans to begin with.


RE: The prices are nutz
By mindless1 on 11/24/2009 4:37:56 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget raped


RE: The prices are nutz
By hiscross on 11/18/09, Rating: -1
RE: The prices are nutz
By FingerMeElmo87 on 11/23/09, Rating: 0
RE: The prices are nutz
By Parhel on 11/23/2009 9:33:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
SSD storage size is not limited by physical size but by the cost of NAND flash you cock monster.


I thought these forums were anonymous, yet somehow he found about my real life nickname.


RE: The prices are nutz
By Iketh on 11/23/2009 10:22:28 PM , Rating: 2
im sorry but this post came out of nowhere so spectacularly and was so bad that it's definitely worth reading


RE: The prices are nutz
By just4U on 11/24/2009 1:39:52 AM , Rating: 2
I have to agree. To be honest, I smirked when I read the post and thought ... "WAIT WUT?!" Subsequent posts just add to it and make it almost funny.


RE: The prices are nutz
By Iketh on 11/24/2009 2:49:59 PM , Rating: 2
And then just look at all the 3+ posts derived from it. I hope people aren't banned for getting too many -1 scores.


RE: The prices are nutz
By Aquila76 on 11/24/2009 5:12:13 PM , Rating: 2
That last line still has me LOLing. I think one of those dumpsters is upstairs, based on the smell and noise.


hybrid hard drive
By kmmatney on 11/17/2009 7:09:43 PM , Rating: 3
I was thinking that a 3.5" "hybrid" hard drive would be nice. Something like a 40GB "boot drive" that is SSD, combined with a traditional 1 TB hard drive, all in a 3.5" form factor. You can have 2 SATA connections for the 2 drives, and a shared power connector. Just a thought. Maybe it would make more sense in a laptop where you have only one spindle. You can combine an SSD and hard drive to get a nice performance boost, but still have some storage space, at a much lower price point.




RE: hybrid hard drive
By kmmatney on 11/17/2009 7:11:00 PM , Rating: 2
For a laptop, you can only have one SATA connection, but maybe the hard drive can be pre-partitioned to have the SSD as one partition and the spindle drice as the other...


RE: hybrid hard drive
By hiscross on 11/17/2009 7:21:59 PM , Rating: 2
MBP you have two sata if you remove the DVD drive.


RE: hybrid hard drive
By aj28 on 11/17/2009 7:34:11 PM , Rating: 3
This is true of many HP notebooks as well. They will even include a bracket for you to slide your extra drive into, such that it can be removed just like a traditional slim DVD drive can.


RE: hybrid hard drive
By jbwhite99 on 11/18/2009 10:33:02 AM , Rating: 2
that's a neat concept that the MacBook can do that. Thinkpads have been doing this since 2000, with an adapter that fits into the Ultrabay port.


RE: hybrid hard drive
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/18/2009 10:40:59 AM , Rating: 2
My Gateway FX notebook has 2 HDD slots....


RE: hybrid hard drive
By Murloc on 11/18/2009 4:47:24 AM , Rating: 3
just buy a 40gb ssd and a 1 tb drive.

Use the first for the OS and some software, the rest for your data and lighter software.

That would be the same.


Meh
By dagamer34 on 11/17/2009 7:35:35 PM , Rating: 4
SSDs should be used for the storage of data unless you're running some massive server where you really need that many IOPs and a RAID 0 of Raptors isn't cutting it for you anymore. Otherwise, it's far more cost-effective to have a smaller 40-80GB boot drive for the OS and programs and store music, movies, and photos on a 1TB disk-based drive.

Then again, maybe there's some geek out there with $3,500 to blow on the latest and greatest. Who am I to stop them?




RE: Meh
By someguy123 on 11/17/2009 8:06:11 PM , Rating: 2
It's funny that there's always a "what kind of geek would pay" post in EVERY post about new, expensive technology.

Fact is that new technology always comes at a high premium. The traditional hard drive you have in your computer would've probably cost the same amount as these drives do a decade ago. If there weren't people paying for the latest and greatest (mainly corporations) then we'd still be with our 10MB hard drives, listening to our FM walkmans.


RE: Meh
By HotFoot on 11/18/2009 11:47:34 AM , Rating: 2
Thing is, what would this drive actually improve over a solution that costs an order of magnitude less? The small OS/programs SSD + large storage HDD would give the same, if not better performance. It's really quite ideal.

As some have pointed out, maybe some server applications that are very IO intensive would provide a market for this drive. At that point, though, the 3.5" form factor means little since many servers have been moving to 2.5" over the last few years.

I dunno... I mean, for a long time there have been technology features that come out that are way past the point of reasonable expense for most folks, but have been sold to people that have huge money to burn and really really really want the absolute best. However, usually there's been at least a marginal technological superiority reason behind getting it. If the 1 TB SSD cost $500 I'd still be hard pressed to see why I would want it over my current SSD+HDD setup. For laptops, it could make sense since most laptops are configured with only one HDD bay.


RE: Meh
By redbone75 on 11/23/2009 2:25:34 PM , Rating: 2
I'm rooting for all those "geeks" with money to blow. Helps me out in the long run. Go cash-laden geeks!


RE: Meh
By mindless1 on 11/24/2009 4:42:18 PM , Rating: 2
SSD is the worst data storage possible. Low capacity per dollar, less latency intensive, even worse capacity when you consider you still need 2x + to have redundancy to avoid single point failures.

SSD's advantage is instead apps where latency is critical such as database, heavily traveled webserver, and to a lesser extent a multi-tasking OS.

Really no point in having one in a PC if it isn't storing the OS volume, unless you're some kind of green nut that thinks it will shave 1.4% off the total PC power consumption.


Einstein is jealous!
By ice456789 on 11/17/2009 9:49:03 PM , Rating: 5
I clicked the link to the Amazon pricing just to get a look at this beast. Imagine my amazement when I saw this at the bottom...

quote:
Product Details
Item Weight: 4.4 pounds
Shipping Weight: 1 pounds


So not only do you get the biggest baddest SSD around, but they actually warp the fabric of spacetime to get it to you!




RE: Einstein is jealous!
By sviola on 11/18/2009 6:33:43 AM , Rating: 2
More interesting is the shipping time:

quote:
Usually ships within 1 to 3 months.


RE: Einstein is jealous!
By ice456789 on 11/18/2009 8:00:13 AM , Rating: 3
Well lets see you warp space time in less than 1 to 3 months... :)


RE: Einstein is jealous!
By Runiteshark on 11/18/2009 9:02:26 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds like they .tar.gz'd it up for you.


SSDs are great (but)
By Norseman4 on 11/17/2009 9:50:19 PM , Rating: 2
Swapping an HDD in a laptop, even if keeping the same bloated OS installation, with an SSD, is without a doubt, a good thing if you can afford it. (We all know this) My laptop acts like a new puppy again with a Torqz 256. Unless you are a super speed freak (which is fine, btw) replacing a boot drive (HDD) with a regular Barefoot SSD will knock your socks off.

My next build will have (probably) an SSD and a 5400 1+t HDD. If not Torqz, or with only 1x3.5" bay, will use Velcro (oops ... hook and loop) to secure the drive. Until prices drop further, this is what I would recommend. (but WTF do I know)

(Disclaimer: Comments in this post are subject to the whim of Captain Morgan. I probably hold these views, but I won't know for sure until tomorrow. Also, thank G-d for Firefox's spell check)




RE: SSDs are great (but)
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 11/17/2009 10:02:55 PM , Rating: 2
I have to agree with you there. My MacBook Pro came with a stock 160GB Hitachi 5400RPM HDD. I upgraded it to a 128GB Patriot Torqx SSD. After having some beachballing issues in OS X with the stock firmware, I'm finally cooking with Crisco with the 1819 Patriot firmware. The machine is blazing fast.

I can't see ever going back to HDDs again after tasting the sweet speed of SSDs.


RE: SSDs are great (but)
By Jason H on 11/18/2009 12:54:43 AM , Rating: 2
Better than Velcro:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002BH3Z8E/

Worked fine with my Agility.


RE: SSDs are great (but)
By MrPoletski on 11/18/2009 1:58:40 AM , Rating: 2
better than velocro? pah

Sounds like a total rip-off to me...


RE: SSDs are great (but)
By Norseman4 on 11/18/2009 6:42:37 AM , Rating: 2
Hadn't priced out for the tower yet, it's going to be a while since the re-invigorated LT is my new shiny.

That adapter is a good deal. 2x2.5 in a normal drive bay opens a lot of possibilities so a tower can easily use this.


250GB?
By pattycake0147 on 11/17/2009 7:06:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Amazon lists the prices of the 120GB, 250GB, and 500GB, and 1TB Colossus drives at $609, $1,123, $1,170, and $3,572 respectively.


At those prices, what is the point of the 250GB drive?




RE: 250GB?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 11/17/2009 7:12:13 PM , Rating: 2
That was a mistake on my part. The 500GB model is $1,700+ on Amazon.


RE: 250GB?
By pattycake0147 on 11/17/2009 7:13:36 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks, I like the addition of the zipzoomfly prices as well.


RE: 250GB?
By Souka on 11/17/2009 7:41:12 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm... order a few of the 1TB drives and put them on a raid controller....hmmm...


Form Factor is Too Big
By jdietz on 11/17/2009 10:39:48 PM , Rating: 1
There is no way it needs to be this big, physically. An 8GB MicroSDHC card takes up tiny amount of space. Multiply that by 125 and it's still small.

Maybe I need to put 125 pennies in a jar and see how big it is or something...I think it would be small.




RE: Form Factor is Too Big
By Hippiekiller on 11/17/2009 11:26:51 PM , Rating: 3
HEAT


RE: Form Factor is Too Big
By Hippiekiller on 11/17/2009 11:26:56 PM , Rating: 2
HEAT


RE: Form Factor is Too Big
By AssBall on 11/18/2009 2:41:20 AM , Rating: 2
Dude its that big so that it fits in a standard 3.5 slot in a desktop case. Just like a regular hard drive. Its a built in adapter so you don't have to f_ck around taping or zip-tie-ing the tiny ass ssd drives into your ATX case. Nothing to do with capacity. It's not for laptops, obviously.


RAID-0 in 1 drive bay
By Leper Messiah on 11/18/2009 12:07:28 PM , Rating: 2
I think a point that no one's mentioned is that they're taking the extra space given by the 3.5" drive to implement an internal RAID-0 which probably adds to the price a bit.




RE: RAID-0 in 1 drive bay
By HotFoot on 11/23/2009 5:39:41 PM , Rating: 2
Internal RAID-0 is effectively done amongst the chips within the SSDs available today. When you're already against the bandwidth wall for the SATA connector, then going further doesn't add much more.

Basically, if you want to spend a lot of money and get things rolling very fast, two Intel 160 GB SSDs in RAID 0 and taking up a single 3.5" drive bay ought to offer better performance in every metric except max GB/drive bay.


Repeating...
By Marlonsm on 11/23/2009 11:22:25 AM , Rating: 2
I think the best to do now is to say exactly the same thing I said about one year ago:
"Just wait one more year and SSD prices will be good..."




RE: Repeating...
By davepermen on 11/23/2009 1:14:31 PM , Rating: 2
or instead of saying stuff: do the same you could have done a year ago: buy one and note that it's the best thing you could ever buy, easily worth the money. i did, and i could never look back to pre-ssd days. it's absolutely game-changing, and better spent money than all the other pc hw you have together.


Collosus isn't exactly a Bigfoot
By PrinceGaz on 11/17/2009 7:38:33 PM , Rating: 2
I was hoping that a larger format SSD HD might lead to lower prices per GB, like what happened in the 1990's with those Quantum Bigfoot drives.

Yeah I know things are quite different now (the Bigfoot's had no lower price competition, unlike SSDs have with magnetic HDs), but a budget SSD would be nice to shake the market up. Oh well, the SSD era is for me still a few years away as 1TB+ means more to me than a somewhat faster transfer-rate.




MB = GB?
By CuriousMike on 11/17/2009 7:56:53 PM , Rating: 2
"whereas most mainstream 2.5" SSDs top out at around 256 M B."

I think you meant GB.




What the jesus...?
By Hieyeck on 11/18/2009 8:32:59 AM , Rating: 2
I bought my 120GB for CAD$400 3 months ago, INCLUDING tax and a pair of mounting brackets.

I'm so confused....




By PAPutzback on 11/18/2009 9:23:40 AM , Rating: 2
I was hoping to see cases coming out with 2.5 cages. Maybe adapters with their own backplane to fit 10 SSDS in the space of 2 5.25 drive slots.

I think it is the video card manufacturers holding us back from having modest high end gaming rigs the size of a phonebook.




3.500$
By AstroGuardian on 11/18/2009 10:48:22 AM , Rating: 2
A what??? 3.500$$$?? Hell no! They better stick that drive for that price down there!




Finally!
By WikiChici on 11/19/2009 2:43:09 AM , Rating: 2
Someone makes a 3.5" Desktop SDD.

The idea of having a bracket in my computer is painfully dragging me back to the 90's

Thankyou OCZ, now drop the prices! Oh wait the competitors will do that for you.

*Sits and waits*




BOM
By Frazzle on 11/23/2009 11:01:36 PM , Rating: 2
A minor correction to the article. BOM = Bill of Materials, not " Build of Materials."




Wow whats up with the speed?!
By CommodoreVic20 on 11/24/2009 11:45:02 AM , Rating: 2
I don't understand how the 1TB is slower than the smaller sized drives. Even if the silicon image raid was setup at raid 5 ( doubt it, its prolly RAID 0 ) the speed increase should be higher than the 256GB version. The raid controller must terribly inefficient. Also The speeds in general of all these drives is really on par with SSD drives on the market now without RAID controllers, how the heck is that possible?




Getting better
By Freezebyte on 11/17/09, Rating: -1
RE: Getting better
By DukeN on 11/17/2009 11:07:50 PM , Rating: 5
I know, it was so much better when the 1950's weren't fornicating.


RE: Getting better
By amanojaku on 11/18/2009 12:25:31 AM , Rating: 3
That's his problem. Drives made in the fornicating 1950s are MUCH less reliable than drives made in the non-fornicating 1950s. Something about manufacturing defects and excessive shocks...


RE: Getting better
By tmouse on 11/18/2009 7:47:47 AM , Rating: 3
Drive reliability increased during the fornicating 1950s after the addition of water cooling to the manufacturing process. ; )


RE: Getting better
By Yawgm0th on 11/18/2009 3:36:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I know, it was so much better when the 1950's weren't fornicating.
On the one hand, you should get a six.

On the other hand, it can still be called fucking if the involved individuals are married. Why does it have to be fornication? Maybe the 1950s got married.


RE: Getting better
By webdragon on 11/20/2009 11:05:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
On the one hand, you should get a six.


With six you get egg roll. :-)


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