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Apple's 4.7" iPhone 6 to feature 2GHz A8 processor, 1GB RAM, NFC, and Qualcomm MDM9625M LTE-A modem

Today has been a pretty busy day in the iPhone 6 leaks saga, and it appears that Apple’s efforts to “double down on secrecy” have been completely obliterated weeks before the smartphone’s official unveil.
We’ve already seen numerous images, mockups, and schematics of the smartphone, and we’re piling on today with more images of the device’s exterior:

There’s not much new to gather from these latest images, which show a design more reminiscent of the iPad Air and iPad minis than the previous generation iPhone 5 and current generation iPhone 5s.
However, the most interesting information leaked today surrounds the 4.7” iPhone 6’s hardware specifications. Leak after leak has revealed nearly every [hardware] surprise that Apple could possibly spring on stage come September 9. First up, the rumored onboard NFC chip has been confirmed, and is manufactured by NXP. Apple leaker Sonny Dickson obtained images of the iPhone 6’s logic board from Feld & Volk, a company that makes high-end smartphones based around iPhone hardware.

According to Dickson, the iPhone 6 will soldier on with a 64-bit, dual-core Apple A8 processor instead of the quad-core processors that are preferred by top Android smartphone manufacturers. However, the clock speed for the new A8 is said to be around 2GHz compared to 1.3GHz for the current generation A7.
Speaking of the A8 processor, closer examination of the A8 processor shown in the leaked pictures seems to confirm that the iPhone 6 will come with just 1GB of onboard RAM — a figure that matches both the current generation iPhone 5s and the previous generation iPhone 5 which was launched way back in 2012.

Apple A8 processor [Image Source: Feld @ Volk/Mac Rumors]
Android manufacturers have long moved past 1GB of system RAM for their flagship smartphones, with 2014 model flagships sporting anywhere from 2GB to 3GB of RAM. Samsung’s upcoming Galaxy Note 4 is said to pack in a whopping 4GB of RAM, which makes Apple’s paltry 1GB seem beyond antiquated.
We should note that high-resolution, A7-equipped iOS devices like the iPad Air and iPad mini with Retina display have already shown a propensity to buckle under pressure with just 1GB of RAM onboard, so it will be interesting to see how a higher resolution iPhone 6 will fair with the same amount of RAM onboard.
The next piece of hardware information leaked today about the iPhone 6 involves its onboard modem. The smartphone will carry Qualcomm’s MDM9625M, which is a Category 4 LTE modem (LTE-Advanced) that supports speeds up to 150 Mbps. According to Mac Rumors, the Qualcomm modem will be paired with two companion chips: the WTR1625L transceiver chip and a WFR1620 chip.

Qualcomm MDM9625M LTE-A modem [Image Source: Feld @ Volk/Mac Rumors]

Finally, we’ve also learned today that a 16GB version of the iPhone 6 will live on. Those that were hoping for Apple to drop the 16GB base models and get with the program by giving users 32GB to start (especially since Apple refuses to include a microSDHC/SDXC slot for expansion) will just have to sulk in a corner.
With all of those hardware specs out of the way, about the only thing left to nail down with regards to the 4.7” and 5.5” iPhone 6 smartphones are their screen resolutions. However, Apple blogger John Gruber already has some ideas on that front
For an added bonus, Feld & Volk managed to piece together enough components to get a 4.7” iPhone 6 to partially boot. You can view a video of the “assembled” device here:

Sources: Mac Rumors [1], [2], [3], Sonny Dickson

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I hate to state the obvious...
By Samus on 8/30/2014 12:37:59 AM , Rating: 5
but this thing is downright disappointing. It actually looks generic. I know Apple likes minimalistic but this design is too safe.

I still use an iPhone 4S and I still think it's the last great phone Apple made. The iPhone 5's feel like a hershey's bar in your hand; they're tall and awkward, I think the lightning connector is a sick joke to reinvent the wheel, that is, replace ALL your icessories that won't even work using a 30-pin adapter, and although the iPhone 4's have a ridiculous glass back cover, any decent case protects the phone and makes it the "correct" thickness. That's to say, the iPhone 5 is "too" thin. I'm always butterfingers with them, slipping out of my hand like a soap bar.

Basically the "industrial design" that Apple ushered in with the iPhone 4 hasn't even been evolutionized by Apple themselves, let alone the competition which has mostly just adopted the same industrial design (unibody CNC aluminum frame.)

It's already obvious they're betting on the iWatch if this is really all they've come up with for the phone. NFC, a faster CPU and a WAY oversized screen (at least on the 5.5" model) isn't going to go over well with most people. Where is the innovation here? They've had years to make the iPhone better and all they've done is add a fingerprint sensor, 64-bit ARM which is currently useless, and a stupid fitness chip. Even the RAM hasn't been upgraded. The RAM!

I mean, I'm shocked, the most valuable tech company in the world, and this is what they've got. There is so much more innovation from so many other, significantly smaller companies.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By melgross on 8/30/14, Rating: 0
RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By themaster08 on 8/30/2014 2:24:36 AM , Rating: 1
Care to explain how? I happen to agree with the OP. From these rumours and leaks, there is absolutely nothing groundbreaking about this phone, or even anything that differentiates it from the competition. The sapphire screen is interesting, but I wouldn't call that a differentiating factor.

Naturally, it will generate an abundance of undeserved hype, go on to be the best selling phone on the market, and will be main talk of the tech news for the next 4 weeks. But there is nothing that really distinguishes this phone from the competition. Another run-of-the-mill product which will receive all of the attention and gain all of the credits for features that its competitors have offered for years.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By soccerballtux on 8/30/2014 11:13:42 PM , Rating: 4
almost as harsh as 1GB RAM

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By NellyFromMA on 9/2/2014 8:47:45 AM , Rating: 3
Android manufacturers have long moved past 1GB of system RAM for their flagship smartphones, with 2014 model flagships sporting anywhere from 2GB to 3GB of RAM. Samsung’s upcoming Galaxy Note 4 is said to pack in a whopping 4GB of RAM, which makes Apple’s paltry 1GB seem beyond antiquated.

Clearly I'm out numbered here, but I'm going to state what should be obvious if you actually like TECH and not NUMBERS.

I have never once experienced performance problems that weren't related to net latency on an iPhone or an iPad. Not once.

A lot of that has to do with app stability via the vetting process when you want to publish your app to the store. The other part is that, like consoles, these apps largely have little variation in hardware to leverage. Like it or not, there is a LARGE installed user base of these devices, with very little fluctuation in hardware besides display.

That is, frankly, HUGE for both consumers and developers, even if there are some of each that don't realize, or refuse to realize, this.

I don't own any Apple devices, although I'm sure for speaking positively thus far I'll be demonized as an iCultist. However, I am likely going to buy the iPhone 6 if it offers mostly what its predecessors have just with a larger screen (I want larger than 4.7 though, so we'll see what gets revealed).

Android is cool for what it is: an open platform. I could care less about the open source aspect, as Google has mostly hidden all of the useful bits behind proprietary web services, but at least I don't HAVE to go to an app store to get my apps, even though I almost always do anyways. However, what you have to accept with that is a greater propensity for instability and inconsistent app performance device-to-device exacerbated further by variations in the OS itself.

I think its silly to gripe about 1GB of RAM because Android phones have 2 or 3. Frankly, I haven't seen an iDevice NEED more than 1GB of ram to run well, and yet I have seen PLENTY of Android phones that have 2GB of ram and STILL not perform as smoothly and consistently. From a tech enthusiast standpoint, that's GREAT ENGINEERING. Throwing hardware to solve a poor implementation of software HARDLY makes that software implementation superior. I'm not going to get into which one is better or not because the vast majority of my experience has been split between owning 2 Android phones and developing for iDevices over the passed 3-4 years and ownership says infinitely more about whether a device is good for the long haul or not, which is something I covet and Android has thusfar failed.

Each of my phones could make it about a year or so before needing a reflash/reset due to annoying performance issues. Many have had similar experiences, and many have not because they upgrade their devices feverishly despite the small iterative differences (mostly on paper, even).

My point is, who cares about 1GB vs 3GB of RAM at the end of the day? Doesn't it make more sense to determine how the device PERFORMS?

Or, is it all just a spec game where you can claim your RAM is bigger than theirs?

It comes across as really naïve when it comes from someone who actually has a tech background.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By karimtemple on 9/2/2014 9:21:25 AM , Rating: 2

People seem to forget that the iPhone 6 will have a new version of the OS which may lower the RAM footprint, and will probably [be the first to] have LPDDR4 RAM, which would make its RAM twice as fast as the RAM in phones that just came out (sometimes even better than increased capacity, sometimes not).

Or it could totally go belly-up lol. We honestly should just wait and see. Most importantly, people also seem to forget that none of this information is official and something quite different could come out on announcement. We could even be looking at some kind of iPhone 6c here and the regular version has 2GB.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By retrospooty on 9/2/2014 9:59:32 AM , Rating: 2
" iPhone 6 will probably [be the first to] have LPDDR4 RAM, which would make its RAM twice as fast as the RAM in phones that just came out"

I dont think you understand RAM or latency at all. That is simply not how it works.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By karimtemple on 9/2/2014 1:39:53 PM , Rating: 2
The state of the art shipping right now for Android [arguably] is Snapdragon 801. The 801 package runs a dual-channel 32-bit LPDDR3-800 setup. LPDDR4 minimum is 1600MHz. Dual-channel, the throughput is literally twice as fast. And that's if Apple uses the minimum. A7 is single-channel so iPhone-over-iPhone it'll be even MORE than twice as fast (as I highly doubt A8 will be single-channel).

Having twice the theoretical throughput isn't the same as twice the "speed" in every respect, but in some important ways it is, especially concerning memory swaps and increasing screen resolutions. In such scenarios, having twice the throughput has a similar or even better effect than having twice the capacity.

Or maybe you're right and I don't know how RAM works.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By retrospooty on 9/2/2014 1:46:51 PM , Rating: 3
Yup... Like I said...

Doubling the speed at the same latency would double the throughput, but that isnt how DDR,DDR2,3,or 4 has ever worked. Doubling the speed and adding huge latency penalty as every generation of DDR has done adds very little in actual real world speed improvements.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By karimtemple on 9/2/2014 2:18:08 PM , Rating: 2
lol. WTF are you talking about.

1. The "latency penalty" would never be high enough to make a significant difference in the throughput in the face of a doubling of operating frequency. Double. lol. It's twice as fast. It's the main point of it.

2. Throughput and latency are interconnected but independent factors which tend to affect separate-but-related aspects of software systems. The net result in this case is that you double your effect in areas directly affected by the total speed of memory transfer, and a slight impact on directly latency-dependent operations which is nowhere near the 200% you gained in other far more numerous areas.

3. New versions of SDRAM generally take a hit to latency during the course of an effort to reach higher operating frequencies (and freq/power balances). AT these higher frequencies, the impacts of the "latency penalty" are generally eliminated. At, again, twice the operating frequency, what we'll be left with will only be describable as "faster RAM."

4. LPDDR4 might not even be higher latency than LPDDR3. I wouldn't be surprised if it was, but I haven't seen those numbers.

5. LPDDR4 will obviously be faster than LPDDR3 (at the very least, per unit of power draw). Why in the holy name of Black Jesus you would be argumentative about that is well beyond me, lmao.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By retrospooty on 9/2/2014 2:52:14 PM , Rating: 2
1-3.Latency is massive unless performing an operation that requires huge bandwidth. On a phone? Not happening. The latency penalty is not "slight". Have you not seen benchmarks going from DDR to DDR2 to 3 over the years? The actual performance improvement is barely noticeable on a high end Intel chip much less a little ARM jobbie.

4. In the end it will depend on DDR4's latency, which based on 1,2,3 will be quite alot higher unless something major changes. On the desktop side, it is quite alot higher as each previous gen before it is.

5. It wil be "faster" yes. I didnt say it wouldnt be. I was arguing your "twice as fast" claim above. In RAM twice as fast is NEVER twice as fast.

Agreed, it will be less of a power draw. A good move of course, just don't expect double the performance. Not even close to it.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By karimtemple on 9/2/2014 3:20:05 PM , Rating: 2
When you double the amount of data being put through per unit of time, that is literally twice as fast. The performance of the system as a whole is not twice as fast, but since the memory transfer is twice as fast, it is factually accurate to describe the memory as being twice as fast. And that's all I ever said. You just wanted to drone on about latency because you think 1GB is too small. And that's a fair argument, but it's still mitigated by the memory's speed.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By retrospooty on 9/2/2014 3:55:02 PM , Rating: 2
"When you double the amount of data being put through per unit of time, that is literally twice as fast. The performance of the system as a whole is not twice as fast, but since the memory transfer is twice as fast, it is factually accurate to describe the memory as being twice as fast. "

That is correct IF you didn't add latency, but DDR4 does (as did each gen before it). That is all I was saying. Even when isolating memory performance from the rest of the system twice as fast is NOT twice as fast performance wise - not even close.

"You just wanted to drone on about latency because you think 1GB is too small. And that's a fair argument, but it's still mitigated by the memory's speed."

1gb is too small for a high end phone, but that is a separate issue... I wasn't meaning to "Drone on". I just saw an incorrect statement, so I commented on it. It's simply not correct.

Also not correct is the assumption that faster RAM will make any meaningful difference when lack of RAM is an issue. The bottleneck will be the feeding the RAM with data, not the RAM feeding the next step with data, so the RAM's speed is basically irrelevant even if it is 4x as fast because the data is still paging in to the RAM at the same pace.

Look, I am done here, I really don't care enough about RAM to keep arguing about it LOL. For whatever reason you seem to not be aware how important latency is and how much of an impact it has... But that is fine. You are free to think that way.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By karimtemple on 9/2/2014 5:20:14 PM , Rating: 2
That is correct IF you didn't add latency

Throughput is throughput. Latency is latency. Computer Nerd 101, boss.
Also not correct is the assumption that faster RAM will make any meaningful difference when lack of RAM is an issue.

Except that it's been proven throughout the history of microcomputers. Depending on the software involved, and how the software is designed, data capacity problems can be addressed through speed and data speed problems can be addressed through capacity (e.g. each helps with the "rising screen resolutions" issue, speed more so than capacity). And if you think Apple hasn't been designing iOS software for its ONE GIGABYTE MAXIMUM designs with that in mind, I've got a bridge to sell you.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By retrospooty on 9/2/2014 5:42:05 PM , Rating: 2
Nerd 101? Do some research. It seems you weren't around for the past 15 years as we moved from DDR to 2,3 and now 4... Either that or you forgot, or ignored the total lack of performance benefit when bandwidth increased. Slower RAM with low latency always beats faster RAM with higher latency. 2x the memory bandwidth is not 2x the performance. Often it's barely faster at all, like 2-20% being generous.

I am not going to spend any more time on this, just one link. You can Google it yourself. The link below actually has DATA, something your link lacks, but please, read up on it. This whole article and countless others all back up the same point above.

By karimtemple on 9/2/2014 10:21:17 PM , Rating: 2
You clearly did not read a single word I wrote. lol. Not one.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By chripuck on 9/4/2014 11:21:50 AM , Rating: 2
Your link only compares varying speed/latency within the DDR3 spec thus is useless to the argument.

By karimtemple on 9/4/2014 1:48:21 PM , Rating: 2
It also doesn't say anything different from what I've said. Throughput is throughput, latency is latency, the effects of each vary depending on the software. I wish he'd actually read it, lol.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By retrospooty on 9/2/2014 9:58:18 AM , Rating: 2
"I have never once experienced performance problems that weren't related to net latency on an iPhone or an iPad. Not once."

I have, every day that I use it. The iPad 4 lags all over the place especially browsing busy sites with multiple tabs open. 1gb is simply not enough. It's not about OS efficiency, it's about teh ability to hold several busy websites in RAM to avoid paging. 1gb is NOT enough period.

By NellyFromMA on 9/2/2014 4:01:27 PM , Rating: 2
Not taking away from what you're saying, but I mean, define multiple?

I have 10 tabs open in iOS on an iPhone 5C right now and flipping between them is not laggy in the least bit over here.

I would also never realistically need to browse 10 sites at the same time on my phone or tablet, so that I am not running into an issue is more of a nice bonus than a 'its trash if it doesn't' type of thing.

Also, the content on the sites is a larger variable than the actual sites opened. Are we talking 10 heavy sites?

I wouldn't really expect any mobile device to run 10 intensive desktop websites simultaneously well. I don't have a need for that and its very much outside what I would consider to be the vast majority of use cases.

Again, not trying to say you aren't experience issues, but you didn't really elaborate.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By Samus on 8/30/2014 3:03:47 AM , Rating: 3
I'm a balanced user.

I use, and professionally support (as an IT director) all platforms. And believe me, I know Apple people, Android people and even WinMo people, and the Apple people I know are going to be disappointed by this phone - because as small as the iPhone 5 screen is, I rarely hear people actually complain about it.

They simply use their iPad's for things the iPhone isn't "big enough" for and I don't think making the iPhone screen bigger is going to replace the function people currently depend on iPad's for.

The common complaints I hear from users about the iPhone
-needs a wider screen
-improved battery life
-faster charging (perhaps even wireless charging)
-better keyboard (possibly through a wider screen)
-lower price
-widgets\faster navigation
-scroll wheel (this originally made me laugh but someone had a good point: instead of volume buttons, use a rocker/wheel that scrolls when you're in an email/webpage - we're talking people coming from Blackberry Bolds' so of course they miss their wheels/trackballs...)

These aren't innovative ideas. These are common-sense improvements. Apples job, as Apple is to come up with things users haven't thought of yet. Historically they've been pretty good at this.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By Solandri on 8/30/2014 3:46:27 AM , Rating: 3
The scroll wheel on a mobile device predates the Blackberry.

Actually, a lot of really good hardware ideas came from Sony of the 1990s and early 2000s. Scroll/jog wheel, wide screen (though in portrait mode), flash memory slot, camera in PDA, swivel screen, physical keyboard underneath display (which eventually led to the Blackberry).

The scroll wheel was more or less rendered obsolete by the touchscreen, allowing you to scroll by dragging a finger along the display. The rocker bar is a simpler and more robust device for inputting up and down, where rate is not as important.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By glowingghoul on 8/30/14, Rating: 0
RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By Samus on 8/30/2014 7:03:02 PM , Rating: 1
My Galaxy S3 was substantially more durable than my iPhone 4S. I dropped it so many times and didn't even have a case. Tons of gouges but the screen never cracked. The back cover, obviously, was replaceable, so that getting damaged was never an issue. However, the iPhone screen seems to be less prone to scratches from keys and pocket stuff than the S3 was.

iPhone 4's are about 85% exposed glass. It really is an inherently fragile design, which is why the 5's moved away from it. The 5's, however, still suffer from easily broken home buttons (probably the most common failure) and obviously cracked screens.

But I hated my S3. I gave up all of its features to actually go backwards and get an older iPhone, because the iPhone is supported and works. I gave up LTE, NFC, wireless charging, a larger screen, and dozens of other beneficial things because at least the iPhone 4S didn't have GPS problems (at the time, the OTA update from Sprint bricked the GPS in the GS3...this is around August 2012) and the battery life just got worse and worse with each OTA. Even running CyanogenMod or custom ROMS didn't seem to help, and no matter what, all ROM's had some sort of annoying bug. The iPhone, as limited it is, at least works. It's a closed, controlled ecosystem that guarantees a level of quality that Samsung SHOULD have by now, but still doesn't, because they give carriers too much control to mess up the ROM's.

If I were going to get an Android phone it's pretty obvious Motorola's or some sort of Nexus is the ONLY way to go. I'd consider a Google Play edition of some models, like the HTC One, but the price premium seems ridiculous to get a phone that "isn't bloated."

I miss a lot about Android, I just wish the ecosystem was controlled better by Google. I especially miss that my Pebble had, in my opinion, superior 3rd party developer support in Android, and I rely on my Pebble more than you could imagine.

I really like Windows Mobile. From a corporate perspective it is the easiest to manage with remote deployment, active directory integration (it actually becomes a managable device on the network) and exchange support is obviously excellent. The iPhone a close second. The only thing I don't like about WP8 is you can not ignore security certificate problems like you can with iOS and Android.

But WP8 devices always seem to have better battery life, and the people who have them in corporate always talk about them, where the iPhone people, being the majority of the deployed devices, don't have a whole lot to say because there isn't much too say. iOS hasn't changed a whole lot. The only thing that's new on the surface is multitasking (which thank God they revised because in the iOS 5/6 days people would always come to me complaining of a slow device, because they had like 50 apps open and didn't know how to close them.)

By stoogenadoot on 8/31/2014 9:24:42 AM , Rating: 2
Name one Android flagship that was released last year that wasn't upgraded to KitKat. Name one from 2 years ago.

The narrow minded view you outline does cover the low end, but try and be a bit more intelligent. Android also runs high end phones and they do get upgraded, and yes, they do get more than a measley 1gb RAM. Any iPhone/iPad user knows that if they get several tabs open, or even just a few at a busy website IOS bogs down. 1gb is simply not enough for a high end phone.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By hpglow on 9/1/2014 10:35:30 PM , Rating: 2
I've been transitioning away from Apple for a couple years now. The only devices left are two iPhone 5 which are up for renewal this year. The current complaints here are the screen size and the camera sensor (and camera app), and lack of internal storage.

There are things I like about Apple's designs, but if they think I'm going to ignore the lack of progress again Apple is in for a rude awakening. Having 16G in your base phone when there is no SD port is highway robbery (that is unless they plan on dropping the cost of the base model.)

I have to admit I really like the looks of the phone in the video but it isn't anything HTC or some of the other Android phone suppliers aren't starting to emulate. So lets hope for Apple's sake some of these leeks are fabricated.

These devices come at a premium we need more than just industrial design and a custom SOC.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By flyingpants1 on 8/30/2014 5:00:30 AM , Rating: 2
Looks fine to me.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By drycrust3 on 8/30/2014 3:39:33 PM , Rating: 3
That is exactly the problem: the people that determined the design of this phone thought it was wonderful, but it isn't, it isn't even "status guo" stuff, this is "falling behind" stuff. Or rather, if these leaks turn out to be true, which I doubt, these must surely be "demo" or "sample" models and the real iPhone 6 is still hiding in the wings.
Apple is the richest smartphone maker in the world, they can pull the best talent from the entire globe, they even put the best CPU inside the phone, and if the leaks turn out to be true then what they say is Apple's flagship phone, the "best smartphone ever", is designed by someone living in the past.
I am sure these leaks must be some sort of ploy or "teaser", I just can't see how Apple's marketing department let it out, and if they did the engineering department should have stopped it, and if they did the photography people should have stopped it, and if they did the senior management would have. I just cannot understand how a phone with these specs got out of Apple HQ.
And no, I'm not an Apple fan, I use a cheap Android phone. I just can't see this being an iPhone that Tim Cook, Arthur Levinson (Chairman of the Board), or even the late Steve Jobs, would be proud of. A "falling behind" or "living in the past" phone from Apple? Unheard of! That is why I think the iPhone leaks we see here aren't the real iPhone, the real iPhone is a phone Tim, Arthur, and every Apple sales person can proudly say "This is the best smartphone ever". Wasn't it the late Steve Jobs that said, "We don't know how to make a cheap iPhone"?

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By Jim_Liquor on 8/30/2014 4:49:09 PM , Rating: 4
The real question is, who gives a shit? I am tired of reading on every tech website "DSFJKLSDFLKSDF NEW APPLE PICS MAYBE LEAKED BUT WE AREN'T SURE BUT WE KNOW BUT MAYBE NOT ... WHO KNOWS MAYBE!~!!! CLICK HERE!!! "

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By bigboxes on 8/31/2014 11:34:47 PM , Rating: 2
There there. Time to turn off your computer and go to bed, little Jim_Liquor. Mommy will be in shortly to tuck you in. Night night.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By w8gaming on 8/30/2014 11:11:08 AM , Rating: 3
Apple can upgrade any of the parts easily. Just that Apple needs that "premium margin" to stay being "Apple". That's how they have run their business for 30 years and it is not going to change anytime soon.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By glowingghoul on 8/30/2014 6:39:21 PM , Rating: 1
Do you find yourself hamstrung by the 3 year old 4S? No? Still runs smoothly?

Then why are you complaining about this supposedly lack of system RAM? What apps can't you run?

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By Samus on 8/30/2014 7:13:51 PM , Rating: 2
Personally, no I don't have a problem with the amount of RAM in my 4S (which by the way, is only 512MB, not 1GB like the 5's and iPad's.)

But the screen resolution is 960x640. Textures are small enough to fit in 512MB RAM. The iPad 3rd gen is practically the same internals as the iPhone 4S, but Apple knew the resolution of the iPad would be an issue with 512MB RAM and took the opportunity to upgrade the iPad to 1GB of RAM. This was in 2011. When iOS 5 was still hot.

On the heels of iOS8 with the well documented slowdown issues in iOS7 on iPad's, I find it hard to believe Apple would increase the resolution of the iPhone without upgrading the RAM (which is very inexpensive - we're talking <$20 for 2GB LPDDR3 dies)

Even if the memory goes currently unutilized, like 64-bit ARM, it may be utilized in the future. The only reason I could see Apple not upgrading the memory is to guarantee app compatibility across their ecosystem of hardware, but that'd make moving to 64-bit in the 5S hypocritical.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By zlandar on 8/31/2014 10:03:55 AM , Rating: 2
You lost me as soon as you bitched about the lightning connector. The old 30 pin was a big-ass monstrosity. The lightning connector is a fraction of the size that doesn't care which way you plug it in.

By Brandon Hill on 8/31/2014 10:33:13 AM , Rating: 4
Gotta agree here. Backwards compatibility isn't "forever" and Lightning is far superior to The 30-pin connector in just about every way.

RE: I hate to state the obvious...
By Fleeb on 9/5/2014 6:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
I mean, I'm shocked, the most valuable tech company in the world, and this is what they've got.

That is precisely why they are the most valuable. They can sell something just like that and still make a ton of a profit.

By Jim_Liquor on 8/30/2014 7:42:17 AM , Rating: 1
.. another $700+ Apple POS that idiots will line up to buy... I am trying to wrap my head around why people even use iStuff... everyone I know that has one downloads around 3 apps / games and uses it for text messaging and that's about it.

Siri is a joke, widely known fact that Cortana (which is in friggin beta still!!) destroys it.

Hardware that breaks constantly with terrible battery life.

Integration with enterprise stuff .. in other words, Microsoft Exchange / Server is passable at best...

Then again, the Apple crowd is more like "OH LOOK ITS PRETTY!!!!" than anything else.

RE: Geez...
By tlbj6142 on 8/30/2014 1:57:14 PM , Rating: 2
Even the "its pretty" crowd doesn't make sense given the fact that most have bumpers and/or ugly cases on them.

Every time you put a bumper on an iDevice, you poke Steve in the eye. Every time you put an Otter box on it you kick him in the nuts.

Switching topics a bit...

Those wondering why people don't switch? How about it is "what they know" and frankly switching doesn't change much. I owned an i4s for 11 months but sold it for a 3GS (wider screen in portrait mode). That said, if the iphone6 is 4.7", i'll switch back. As there is nothing i see on Android that I can't do on a ip6. And ip6 has a better, ecosystem (especially 3rd party hardware integration).

RE: Geez...
By Jim_Liquor on 8/30/14, Rating: 0
RE: Geez...
By tonyswash on 8/30/2014 9:09:24 PM , Rating: 2
The fact of the matter is iOS is a terrible mobile OS that is only supported by the "ITS PRETTY" or "My friend has one" crowd.

Which us currently 'only' about 550 milion iOS users.

RE: Geez...
By Jim_Liquor on 8/30/2014 9:36:40 PM , Rating: 1
All of which fall into either category I posted, genius. OH LOOK I TYPED GENIUS!! HIPSTERS IN BLUE SHIRTS SHILLING APPLE! YAY!!

Which Apple store do you work at, tonyswash?

RE: Geez...
By chripuck on 9/4/2014 11:29:40 AM , Rating: 2
Except I fall into neither. I'm an IT worker who programs in .Net and does extensive SQL Server development.

I want my phone to work when I pull it out of my pocket and I do NOT want to have to fiddle with it. I repeat, I do not want to have to twiddle with formatting SD Cards because my OS has left remnant folders around after uninstalling an App **Android cough, cough**

While WP is nice, I also want it to have more than the top 100 apps available.

The same goes for my extended family, most of who are IT illiterate. My 56 y/o mother actually bought and used WP8 two years ago and DESPISED it. Upgraded to Apple and has never been happier.

RE: Geez...
By amanojaku on 8/31/2014 12:06:08 AM , Rating: 2
Which us currently 'only' about 550 milion iOS users.
Impossible. iOS makes up 12% of smartphone market share. 550M iOS users would mean a smartphone market of 4.6B consumers. The market is estimated to be just over 1B users, no more than 1.5B. Even if you factor in tablets that's still not 4.6B (there are more phones than tablets), which means there aren't 550M iOS users.

RE: Geez...
By tonyswash on 8/31/2014 6:21:33 AM , Rating: 2
It’s impossible to get hard figures on the installed base of mobile devices but, unlike all other device makes, Apple releases sales figures for it's major product lines for every quarter and as they form part of the company’s audited SEC returns we can use those figures to get a reliable total of device sales to date. The figures are:

To date 600 million iPhones sold

To date 210 million iPads sold


To date about 105 million iPod Touch (which run iOS) have been sold.



That gives a total iOS device sales to date of 915 million iOS devices.

We know that retention times of iOS devices are longer than for Android devices.


We know that because iOS devices sales have steadily ramped up over time that the bulk of those 915 million iOS devices were sold in the last few years and so many (maybe most) will not yet have reached a replacement point.

We also know that old iOS devices retain their value which means that there are plenty of people willing to buy, and thus keep in use, old iOS devices retired by their first owner

So it is reasonable and conservative to estimate that of that 915 million devices around 550 million are still in use.

There is another way to estimate iOS installed base which is to look at the number of iTune account holders. There are currently somewhere between 800 million (the number at mid-2014) and 900 million iTunes individual accounts (about 4 times as many as Amazon accounts) so that again tallies with a conservative estimate of 550 installed devices.

I think you are suffering from two cognitive dysfunctions.

One confusion is about market share and it's relationship to installed base. Reading this will help:

The other is simply that the yearning some folks feel to see Apple cast back into the position of a marginal player blinds them to just how big Apple has become and just how many devices it sells and has sold to date.

Hopefully you are less confused now.

RE: Geez...
By Jim_Liquor on 8/31/14, Rating: 0
RE: Geez...
By Brandon Hill on 8/31/2014 9:43:55 AM , Rating: 2
I've got to admit, Tony is actually bringing in facts, links and supporting evidence for his clams which is much appreciated in a discussion of this nature.

I might not always agree with Tony, but he takes the time to research his posts and present it in a coherent way without resorting to cheap shots (usually).

RE: Geez...
By bupkus on 8/31/2014 1:14:25 PM , Rating: 2
Note to Brandon: Your DailyTECH account has been hacked. ;)

Just kidding.

RE: Geez...
By amanojaku on 8/31/2014 2:05:04 PM , Rating: 1
First of all, Tony usually supplies links from sites that are pro-Apple. Secondly, he's quite good at cherry picking statistics that support his arguments while ignoring those that don't.

For example, the Forbes article states that Apple has sold over 500M iPhones (note: Tony rounded up or used projected numbers). The About article states that Apple has sold over 200M iPads. The Loop article states that Apple has sold over 100M iPods. And the Guardian article points out that shipped, sold and used devices are three different things. All true.

There are some missing tidbits:

1) iPods are falling out of use, fast. You see this in the Huffington Post article he supplied. Not only are the sales dropping (50% decrease YoY is NOT good), so are the number of devices in use. The iPhone and iPad are cannibalizing iPod sales. iPod users number far less than 100 Million, not even half. Try 10M-20M.

2) About 50% of iPhone purchases are repeat purchases - meaning the owner already has an iPhone. You're not growing your user base quickly if half the people are existing users.

3) About 50% of iPad owners are iPhone owners.

4) There is no accounting for the number of active iTunes accounts. The total number was about 800M in April; it was 575M last year. You should already find fault with these numbers: did Apple actually add 225M accounts in one year? Impossible, because it sold approximately 225M iOS devices in that period. Of the 165M phones sold, 50% were refreshes ( 82.5M new buyers). Of the 60M tablets sold, 50% where dual-device owners ( 30M new buyers). Let's say the iPods are all new users ( 20M ). That means the iTunes store added only 132.5M new accounts.

What this means is either Apple is either lying about its active users, or just unaware of what the actual number is. My mother has an iTunes account that is unused but considered active. She can't even connect her iPod to iTunes any more because it's so old, but Apple considers her active because she never canceled the account.

RE: Geez...
By tonyswash on 8/31/2014 3:22:01 PM , Rating: 1
I rounded the iPhone figures up because the 500 million was from five months ago so quite a lot have been sold since then. If the figure lies somewhere between 500 (from March 2014) and 600 million it doesn't substantially affect my argument.

Ditto the iPod Touch figures, 100 million units sold by May 2014 so I estimated 105 by now but if it's only 100 it changes nothing in my argument.

The figures for repeat iPhone buyers and duel iPhone-iPad owners is precisely why I took the 900 million plus figure and reduced it to the 550 million figure.

The killer statistic is of course the iTunes account figure. The figure of 800 million accounts at April 2014 was from a direct statement to that effect by Tim Cooke in the earnings call to analysts.

It's possible that Tim Cooke was lying publicly in an earnings report but is it plausible?

Some time in the next year there will probably be a billion iTunes accounts.

You obviously struggle with the iTunes account figure and can only cope by simply rejecting it (with the help of your mum). You remind of this guy :)

The size of the iTunes business is very large indeed and I think Apple is about to build something very big and new on top of it.

I think we should cease out exchange now, although feel free to post a riposte, because let's face it nothing I say is going to change your mind, you can only cope by shrinking Apple in your head but that doesn't actually shrink Apple in the real world.

RE: Geez...
By amanojaku on 8/31/2014 3:43:29 PM , Rating: 2
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/31/2014 9:43:55 AM , Rating: 2
I've got to admit, Tony is actually bringing in facts, links and supporting evidence for his clams which is much appreciated in a discussion of this nature.

I might not always agree with Tony, but he takes the time to research his posts and present it in a coherent way without resorting to cheap shots (usually).
Well, you just proved Brandon wrong, again. Instead of discussing this like an adult you resorted to cheap shots. You'll notice that I never attacked you personally, I just questioned the validity and interpretation of your evidence.

But don't worry, my mum will take me to the amusement park later and buy me ice cream and balloons, so I'll forget all about how you teased me.

RE: Geez...
By Brandon Hill on 8/31/2014 6:04:49 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks a lot, Tony! :-)

RE: Geez...
By amanojaku on 8/31/2014 6:30:24 PM , Rating: 2
Was referring to the fact that Tony insulted me in two separate posts, the second ironically written after you wrote your comment about him being well-mannered. Didn't mean to say you were wrong, just that Tony is in the wrong for attacking me without provocation. Kinda shocked, actually. I must have hit to close to the truth for him to act out like that.

RE: Geez...
By Devilboy1313 on 8/31/2014 11:34:52 PM , Rating: 2
Out of curiosity how does the iTunes numbers factor in for people like me with 1 personal account and 1 family account, but I don't have any Apple products (except a IIc floating around somewhere)?

I suspect the iTunes figure may not be 100% apple product based.

RE: Geez...
By iPuzr on 9/1/2014 5:07:23 AM , Rating: 2
That was exactly my thought too. My Family members and I still have some old itunes accounts, but we dont own any iOS device.
Theese figures are pretty worthless if they only take the iTunes accounts into consideration.

RE: Geez...
By iPuzr on 9/1/2014 5:09:07 AM , Rating: 2

RE: Geez...
By retrospooty on 9/1/2014 2:08:06 PM , Rating: 3
"I've got to admit, Tony is actually bringing in facts, links and supporting evidence for his clams"

What Tony does is he goes out and carefully selects links and factoids that support his agenda and strategically ignores those that don't. He does this with the skill of a seasoned politician. It's called "The truth, and nothing but the truth" but he conveniently leaves out "The whole truth" thus usually making everything he says questionable. It's called being manipulative and it's pure garbage.

RE: Geez...
By ritualm on 8/30/2014 9:36:04 PM , Rating: 2
The hardware is subpar and fragile.

Superior hardware means nothing if the software stack sucks. Both Apple and MS can make do with less hardware spec than Google and its OEMs needed for Android, and still not suffer performance issues.
The fact is they are stuck with Apple chargers

Flat out wrong. I, for one, never used Apple chargers with my iPhones.
Apple dock stations

Flat out wrong again. I never do it with a dedicated dock.
and if that isn't the case they are just braindead.

Or is it that they just want things to work without tinkering with the Settings page an hour a day?

iOS isn't a terrible mobile OS. Android is just as bad. Given the choice, I'd rather the phone run SELinux instead.

RE: Geez...
By chripuck on 9/4/2014 11:25:24 AM , Rating: 2
The minute you show me a Windows Phone that has enough Apps to be worth my time or an Android phone that isn't a pain in the rear to maintain I'll aquiesce that iOS sucks, but you can't.

My Android tablet is constantly running out of space and removing pictures/apps only reclaims part of it. I have to occasionally format the flippin' SD Card just to get it clean.

I've never had to do that with my iPhone. Not once. I turn it on and it just works, as cheesy as that sounds. I spend enough of my day writing programs and occasional help desk type work and the last thing I want to do is have to fiddle with my phone. THAT is worth the premium (though, what premium am I really talking about as the high end Android phones cost the same.)

By Scootie on 8/30/2014 12:21:24 AM , Rating: 2
I hope for Apple's sake that the 1GB of onboard RAM is some form of misinterpretation. My 4 year old Google Nexus has 1gb.

RE: Ram
By Flunk on 8/30/2014 12:28:19 AM , Rating: 2
You have to remember, Apple is a monopoly. You want iOS you have to put up with whatever hardware they deign to give you.

RE: Ram
By melgross on 8/30/14, Rating: 0
RE: Ram
By themaster08 on 8/30/2014 2:14:34 AM , Rating: 2
Android itself doesn't need much RAM either, but the additional RAM provides better multitasking and provides 3rd party developers, in particular, game developers, additional resources to work with.

What's the point in having what will be one of the best performing SoC's on the market when the lack of RAM could limit its full potential?

RE: Ram
By silentplummet on 9/1/2014 11:15:23 AM , Rating: 2
What's the point? The point is, they get to sell one of the best performing SoC's on the market to you, TWICE, because they'll release the iPhone 6s with 2 GB RAM in six months.

It's consumer capitalism 101. Have you been skipping class?

RE: Ram
By Morawka on 8/30/2014 2:51:58 AM , Rating: 3
still webpages and apps can have images and assets that are greater than 1GB, VM or no VM, it needs more ram. iphone owners already cannot view a wide selection of images on Flickr and IMGUR because of the RAM limitation. It simply shows a error saying "viewing this image on your phone will cause in-stability.

RE: Ram
By EnzoFX on 8/30/14, Rating: 0
RE: Ram
By seamonkey79 on 8/30/2014 11:46:20 AM , Rating: 2
I'd just like all the pictures I want to look at show up when I'm browsing Flickr and Imgur, not too much to ask for.

RE: Ram
By CyCl0n3 on 8/30/2014 11:46:25 AM , Rating: 2
It´s a valid point not to measure different systems against each other with raw specs because they obviously have different hardwere needs. But even so putting 1 GB RAM in a new model is quite consumer unfriendly, not because its not running currently smooth and fluently. Because it makes it the oposite from future proof. If you buy a new iPhone now it wont take long until they bring a new iOS update which is likely to require more hardware performance from the device, as we have seen with previous iPhone generations. Which brings it with future upgrade limitiaions or cutdowns as with iOS7 and the previous iPhone models.
Which makes sense for a money hungry company because they will have quicker phone turnover cycles, but its anything but fair for the consumers.

RE: Ram
By glowingghoul on 8/30/2014 6:36:53 PM , Rating: 1
No need to worry about "future proofing" Android phones, because you're not likely to ever have your device upgraded to the latest Android OS version by the manufacturer, and the cheap construction and shoddy materials of the vast majority of Android phones means they're not likely to last that long anyway.

RE: Ram
By CyCl0n3 on 9/1/2014 6:21:18 AM , Rating: 2
not to measure different systems against each other with raw specs because they obviously have different hardwere needs.

Did you somehow miss this part?

I did not even mention Android!
I was comparing it to previous iPhones and their update history not to Android.

My comment had nothing to do with Android.
At least read the comment (and understand it) before replying to it.

RE: Ram
By somerset on 9/1/2014 9:10:54 AM , Rating: 2
My comment above was meant for this... Not sure how I managed to get it on your other (also ignorant) post.

Name one Android flagship that was released last year that wasn't upgraded to KitKat. Name one from 2 years ago.

The narrow minded view you outline does cover the low end, but try and be a bit more intelligent. Android also runs high end phones and they do get upgraded, and yes, they do get more than a measley 1gb RAM. Any iPhone/iPad user knows that if they get several tabs open, or even just a few at a busy website IOS bogs down. 1gb is simply not enough for a high end phone.

RE: Ram
By Brandon Hill on 8/30/2014 12:31:43 PM , Rating: 2
Well, even the new Blackberry Passport has 3GB of RAM... yes, THAT Blackberry. It just seems shortsighted to go with a higher resolution display, faster processor, and not at least double the amount of RAM available; especially after we've seen that switching to 64-bit results in a 20 to 30 percent increase in memory footprint:

RE: Ram
By Pneumothorax on 8/30/2014 1:49:04 PM , Rating: 2
Definitely a bean counter/marketing decision rather than engineering one. The 1gb ram limit already causes websites to crash in safari due to lack of ram. Let alone it makes it hard to copy and paste between websites when each one has to reload. Pathetic apple, pathetic. Couldn't they have spared a few million dollars for the price difference in their multi billion dollar annual profit?

Guess ill soldier on for another year and wait for the 6s which will probably have 2gb ram by then.

RE: Ram
By ritualm on 8/30/2014 7:57:00 PM , Rating: 2
If you check up those serial numbers on Hynix, you'll find two nearly identical sets (as an aside, serial numbers naming schemes seldom make sense to the layperson).

The "8" (8th position on the serial number) here indicates 1GB RAM onboard. There's also a second variant with a "B", instead of "8" at the same position, that one has 2GB RAM.

A 5.5" iPhone 6 with double the RAM (compared to 4.7")? Possible. I'm not putting my money on it yet.

Beyond the hardware
By tonyswash on 8/30/2014 7:33:30 PM , Rating: 2
So where do all these leaked details leave us?

For a start it’s now almost impossible for Apple to prep it’s huge supply chain without a lot of escalating leaks pretty much scoping the hardware profile of the new iPhones in advance. So hardware secrecy may be almost a thing of the past for Apple. Interestingly there have been almost no substantial rumors about Apple’s forthcoming line of wearables. No specs, no info on how many devices, will it include wrist devices, broaches, clothing, will it include a general device or a series of specialist devices? Almost none of those details have leaked. That, I think, supports the proposition that the devices could be announced on the 9th but not ship for some time, and thus the supply chain has not ramped yet, hence no rumors. There have been suggestions that an early announcement would be because of the various regulatory filings with various governments around the world that the devices will have to go through prior to launch and so Apple want to announce early to forestall wholesale and unmanaged leaking later on.

A second point about the hardware is how meaningless it is to compare raw hardware specs (RAM, GPUs, clock speeds, core numbers, etc) given the degree of specialised integration in Apple hardware and software. In the end even if all the raw hardware specs were known it would tell us almost nothing about comparative real world performance, the two core A7 toasted most four core systems for example and the new Metal system (a sort of DirectX for iOS) means that graphic performance in iOS apps and games cannot be read from GPU specs but only from real world performance.

Finally although the extended supply chain now makes hardware secrecy very difficult for Apple the company can keep very big secrets about software and services, such as all the surprises at the recent WWDC like Metal and Swift. So Apple could be about to announce some very interesting and very big initiatives around health care, home automation and mobile payment systems but no details have leaked because they don’t involve much in the way of a supply chain (obviously such initiatives would involved significant partnership announcements but partners leak much less than supply chains).

I was sceptical that more than iPhones would be announced on the 9th but there does seem a lot steam building for this event, the fact Apple have shifted to a much bigger venue and greatly extending their invite list is a possible indicator, so maybe a lot more than phones will be announced. Looking forward to it.

RE: Beyond the hardware
By Jim_Liquor on 8/30/2014 9:39:17 PM , Rating: 1
Which Apple store do you work at again?

RE: Beyond the hardware
By tonyswash on 8/31/2014 6:35:07 AM , Rating: 2
Crushing reply. You demolished very point I made with your stunning intellectual gymnastics. I guess you must be one of those super smart people, champion debaters, who tell us endlessly how stupid Apple users are and your brilliant display of mental power today sure does make that claim seem plausible. I wish I was as brainy as you are. When is the book going to be published?

RE: Beyond the hardware
By Jim_Liquor on 8/31/14, Rating: 0
RE: Beyond the hardware
By Tony Swash on 8/31/2014 8:33:30 AM , Rating: 2
Obviously I touched a raw nerve by making a joke about your intellectual abilities. You could of course demonstrate what sort of brain power you can really muster by making just one even remotely substantive response to the points in my comments. I don't think you are capable of that, hence the collapse into childish and silly insults, but by all means prove me wrong. Until then I think this conversation is closed as life is too short to waste it talking to twerps.

RE: Beyond the hardware
By Jim_Liquor on 8/31/2014 3:27:07 PM , Rating: 1
So...what store again?

RE: Beyond the hardware
By peterrushkin on 9/1/2014 4:59:39 PM , Rating: 2
Why do you care, do you want to go visit him?


RE: Beyond the hardware
By retrospooty on 9/1/2014 9:54:01 PM , Rating: 2
Sadly I think all that time spent on all that blathering on and on for years and years, defending the company as if it was his mother is all pro bono. Honestly I think I would be a little more comfortable if he was paid. Knowing that people are that bonkers about a company is a little bit unsettling. ;)

By Valis on 8/30/2014 10:08:53 AM , Rating: 3
So which GPU is in the A8? PowerVR GX6???-something?

That's what I'd like to know. :o)

Fast Charging
By Vince Blu on 8/30/2014 8:00:54 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if the new iPhone 6 will be able to fast charge with Veloxity's charging station -

By jiffylube1000 on 9/1/2014 6:52:42 PM , Rating: 2
Ever since Apple changed the overall design language of the iPhone with the iPhone 4, people's response to leaked designs have typically been "What the heck is this? Is this a joke? That's not an iPhone!"

Even the iPhone 4, which is now often praised as the nicest iPhone from an aesthetic point of view, was looked at with confusion and scorn when it first leaked online via a leak to Gizmodo. Metal and glass? Aren't iPhones mostly plastic!?

The iPhone 6 is coming soon, in one or two sizes: 4.7" and maybe 5.5". It looks a heck of a lot like an iPad Mini, an iPad Air, or an iPod touch. Which is really not surprising in the least - Apple is all about simplifying its design and using the same design language across product lines. Have you guys not read the Steve Jobs book? The Jony Ive book? Or a plethora of Apple-themed books that have come out in the last few years?

Yes, the design initially looks a bit 'cheaper' than the iPhone 4's dual-glass "jewellery-like" design, or even the iPhone 5's modified iPhone-4 design (longer, thinner, no more glass on the back except a tiny window).

It's also subtly better - finally curved edges (gone since the iPhone 3GS days). Hopefully the new design will make it easier to use without a giant gaudy case. What's the benefit of a prettier design if you *have* to cover it up with a case? The iPhone 4 was an accident waiting to happen without a case, and the iPhone 5 got terribly scuffed up and dingy looking without a case.

The iPhone 6 isn't out yet and already people are calling it generic. OK, but it's instantly recognizable as an Apple family member. It looks just like an iPad Mini, Air or iPod Touch.

So far, the only rumour that I find disappointing is the 1GB of RAM. My Safari already crashes like crazy on my iPad Mini (Retina) with 1GB. Do we really have to wait for the 6S to get 2GB of RAM on our iPhones!?

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