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Biotech company Novartis discovered half of its H1N1 vaccine may be enough to boost the receiver's immunity

Swiss biotech company Novartis discovered that a half dose of its A(H1N1) 2009 unadjuvanted vaccine may help the person receiving the shot to develop a sufficient immune response.

The company conducted clinical trials of about 4,000 individuals who were given the Novartis Fluvirin vaccine, which found that many of the adults had immunity from the virus.   Novartis hopes to use similar methods to increase the amount of Novartis-made H1N1 vaccinations in the United States, as there has been a shortage of vaccinations in many parts of the country.  

If the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which is currently discussing the H1N1 findings with Novartis, could be convinced to reduce the amount of vaccine needed per dose.  It's possible Novartis may be able to quadruple the amount of vaccine available if its adjuvant vaccine is well received -- the adjuvant, which isn't approved by the FDA for use in the U.S., is able to increase the response of the immune system once in the human body.

“This promising data suggests that many more people could potentially be vaccinated with our current vaccines supply,” said Andrin Oswald, Novartis CEO vaccines and diagnostics, said in a statement.  “. “The data also confirms the antigen-sparing potential of our proprietary adjuvant, MF59. The vaccines output of our Liverpool, U.K.-based flu manufacturing facility, fully dedicated to the U.S. since the emergence of the pandemic, could be quadrupled if vaccines are adjuvanted.”

Adjuvanted vaccines are also different than regular vaccines since the additive typically makes up more than the active ingredient in the vaccine.



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A nice
By MPE on 11/18/2009 9:43:52 AM , Rating: 1
Trick to increase their profit margins.




RE: A nice
By darkblueslider on 11/18/2009 10:08:38 AM , Rating: 5
might even save a few lives by vaccinating more people... bastards.


RE: A nice
By Spivonious on 11/18/2009 10:32:24 AM , Rating: 5
Each year over 250,000 people get the seasonal flu.

This year about 7,000 people have gotten H1N1.

People die from both.

The media has blown this "pandemic" way out of proportion. I guess they needed some new fear to drive policy now that we're used to the "terrorist threat".


RE: A nice
By mdogs444 on 11/18/2009 10:44:08 AM , Rating: 2
I work for a hospital system in Columbus, OH and I couldnt agree with you more. Yes, there have been serious cases and even death...which the same can be said about standard influenza. This is nothing more than pandering a reason to pass universal health reform by acting like everyone is effected and in trouble. You know what they say (members of Obamas administration, most notably Rahm Emmanuel) - never let a crisis go to waste.

In fact, what really makes me angry, is that this vaccine was rushed to scene without proper trials and testing, and there are multitudes of side effects ranging from GB, to paralysis, to all sorts of weird things like a girl only being able to talk while walking backwards. Yet, my work has mandated this vaccine and if you do not take it, you are not eligible for your yearly pay increase and bonuses. Its like blackmail, and I find it very concerning.


RE: A nice
By Ammohunt on 11/18/2009 1:49:58 PM , Rating: 3
Influenza vaccines are something that has been around for decades and well understood. I don't buy the speculation that the Swine flu vaccine has any more side effects than a standard flu vaccine its all a bunch of Conspiracy theory crap. The way i figure is its survival of the fittest please don't get the vaccine! more resources for the rest of us.


RE: A nice
By Oregonian2 on 11/18/2009 3:04:48 PM , Rating: 2
The H1N1 vaccine was supposed to have been developed using the very same methods that "normal" ones are -- just that it's a different strain being worked on. It just wasn't included in the "list" of strains for the standard shot in time.


RE: A nice
By Oregonian2 on 11/18/2009 3:05:46 PM , Rating: 2
P.S. - And yes, I've had my H1N1 shot, as well as the "regular" one. Unfortunately I'm one that "needs" it on a priority basis.


RE: A nice
By omnicronx on 11/18/2009 3:47:30 PM , Rating: 3
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In fact, what really makes me angry, is that this vaccine was rushed to scene without proper trials and testing, and there are multitudes of side effects ranging from GB, to paralysis, to all sorts of weird things like a girl only being able to talk while walking backwards.
Thats not really true, these drugs were already on the market and are effective against numerous Influenza A strains and B. The trials were done so quickly because all they had to test was the effectiveness, everything else had already been cleared by the FDA.

There are known risks involving drugs like these, but I do feel the pro's outweigh the con's. You also don't know whether these adverse reactions were caused by human error, or the drug itself.


RE: A nice
By myhipsi on 11/19/2009 8:58:43 AM , Rating: 2
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Thats not really true, these drugs were already on the market and are effective against numerous Influenza A strains and B.


I think you're confusing vaccines with antiviral drugs. These vaccines were not already on the market. You're refering to Tamiflu and other antiviral drugs, not the vaccine. The vaccine (Pandemrix) is effective against H1N1(A) and two other seasonal type A influenzae only.


RE: A nice
By Yawgm0th on 11/18/2009 12:26:03 PM , Rating: 5
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Each year over 250,000 people get the seasonal flu.
Incorrect. Each year several hundred million people get the seasonal flu. Around 250,000 die from it each year.

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This year about 7,000 people have gotten H1N1.
Incorrect. Over 500,000 people have had laboratory-confirmed cases of H1N1. Just over 7,000 have died.

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The media has blown this "pandemic" way out of proportion.
To quote a terrible reference:
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A pandemic (from Greek p?? pan "all" + d?µ?? demos "people") is an epidemic of infectious disease that is spreading through human populations across a large region; for instance a continent.

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an epidemic (from Greek epi- upon + demos people) occurs when new cases of a certain disease, in a given human population, and during a given period, substantially exceed what is "expected,"


Perhaps the media is over-reporting, but by all definitions, the 2009 Swine Flu Pandemic is a pandemic. Yes, more people die from the regular flu. The difference is H1N1 has a much higher infection and kill rate, by comparison, amongst demographic groups that would otherwise be at very low risk of flu death.

Additionally, the seasonal flu virus has so many strains that it is difficult to vaccinate against. There is a highly effective vaccine for H1N1. Swine flu deaths should be at the same level as smallpox deaths -- none. But it isn't being produced or distributed quickly enough, and the wrong people (middle-aged executives at large financial institutions who are at very low risk for infection and death) are getting it first.

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The media has blown this "pandemic" way out of proportion. I guess they needed some new fear to drive policy now that we're used to the "terrorist threat".
I won't deny that the media loves a good story. Obviously people will watch and read the news more if there is something to be scared of. But over 1,700 deaths in North America is definitely a newsworthy story. Extrapolating the rate of infection, the kill rate, and rate of vaccination, more Americans will die from H1N1 than died in 2001 terrorist attacks by the time H1N1 is eradicated or has adapted.


RE: A nice
By omnicronx on 11/18/2009 3:14:39 PM , Rating: 2
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Additionally, the seasonal flu virus has so many strains that it is difficult to vaccinate against. There is a highly effective vaccine for H1N1.
H1N1 is just another strain of Influenza type A, the 'seasonal flu virus' you speak of is also a strain of type A. Tamaflu (the flu shot you most likely received for H1N1) for example actually treats numerous strains of Influenza type A and B, this was not a vaccine made specifically for H1N1, it was already in production and just happens to be effective against this years H1N1 strain
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The difference is H1N1 has a much higher infection and kill rate, by comparison, amongst demographic groups that would otherwise be at very low risk of flu death.
Not really true either, while the rate of infection and the seriousness of infection may be higher amongst demographic groups that are normally not affected in this way, the kill rate is really not that much higher aside from certain cases in Mexico in which many of the cases there could be attributed to many things(such as everyone has breathing problems living in that smog infested city).

The same people are dying, children, those with breathing problems(asthmatics), elderly, those with health complications (diabetes) etc.. etc..

This is just one big overreaction because of Spanish Flu after WW1(which was also an H1N1 strain). During this time the demographics you mention WERE actually dying and the way in which it is attacking cells is very similar way, but lets not be mistaken here, the 2009 Swine flu is nothing like the Spanish Flu.

40 thousand Americans die each year of flu related complications, 250-500 million people worldwide. Thats newsworthy, yet because it happens every year it won't sell newspapers, and it won't make you watch CNN. H1N1 kill rate is not what you make it out to be, in fact its very close to the levels of seasonal flu. Its the way it attacks healthy people that is the cause for concern.

I'm not saying don't get your shot, I get one every year and this year won't be any different for me, I just think everyone needs to CALM THE HELL DOWN!! Condoning the medias actions just adds to the problem.


RE: A nice
By Yawgm0th on 11/18/2009 3:46:57 PM , Rating: 2
We cannot effectively vaccinate against the seasonal flu. There will always be numerous strains that there is no vaccine for or aren't included in the vaccine. H1N1 is spreading now and and we can vaccinate everyone against it now. The deaths every year from a strain of the seasonal flu could not be prevented much more than they already are. Deaths from the swine flu can be prevented entirely.


RE: A nice
By Yawgm0th on 11/18/2009 3:48:14 PM , Rating: 1
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We cannot effectively vaccinate against the seasonal flu.
I should immediately correct this: We cannot totally vaccinate against the seasonal flu. The vaccines we have now are effective.


RE: A nice
By Yawgm0th on 11/18/2009 3:48:14 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
We cannot effectively vaccinate against the seasonal flu.
I should immediately correct this: We cannot totally vaccinate against the seasonal flu. The vaccines we have now are effective.


RE: A nice
By omnicronx on 11/18/2009 4:06:25 PM , Rating: 2
Seasonal flu vaccines are pretty darn effective. They protect against the 3 major common strains. Basically unless you are travelling elsewhere, you are most likely covered if you get the vaccine.

As for your comments on further prevention of seasonal flu, I 100% disagree. A large majority of those that die every year never had a flu shot. If we were to roll out seasonal flu shots to everyone like what is being done with H1N1, you are kidding yourself if you don't think that deaths would be lowered exponentially. I would even argue that it would save far more lives.


RE: A nice
By roostitup on 11/18/2009 2:37:17 PM , Rating: 1
Come on, get real. If we didn't take appropriate action like we did it could have actually been a pandemic. Our reaction was a good one as it keeps everyone informed and the spread controlled. Keep in mind we had NO idea what H1N1 was going to be like when it first arrived (it could have been as bad as the plague for all we knew), obviously we should take all precautions to protect people. There is a reason why the WHO and etc go all out when things like this arise, we don't know how bad they are actually going to be and in order to lessen it's effects we need to take the proper measures to be sure we control it as much as possible. It's not just the media, it's the people who take these things overboard. The WHO was just and governmental agencies were just doing their job and they did a good job. Just think if we didn't do anything to slow or control H1N1, those 7,000 deaths could catch up to the season flu deaths of 250,000+. A lot of people fail to see that the precautions we took are very likely the reason why we only get 7,000 deaths instead of more.


RE: A nice
By Spivonious on 11/18/2009 4:15:45 PM , Rating: 2
The vaccine has only been widely available for a month. Most of those 7000 deaths happened earlier this year.

I've never gotten a flu shot, and I'm not about to start now just because the media is trying to scare people.


RE: A nice
By Regs on 11/18/2009 10:33:10 AM , Rating: 2
Evil company offering a service people have to pay for. Those bastards. Maybe we should eliminate currency all together and go back to bartering like in the old days. Do you have anything to trade for the flu vaccine?


RE: A nice
By brundall on 11/18/2009 11:52:30 AM , Rating: 2
The US has 5 or 6 suppliers of the vaccine - which at least gives the impression of spreading your tax payer dollars around. Up here in Canada we have 1 supplier (Glaxo Smith Kline). Talk about evil domination by a Pharma company - or is it an astounding lack of planning by the Canadian Government, maybe it's both.


RE: A nice
By omnicronx on 11/18/2009 3:34:17 PM , Rating: 2
No we have two suppliers, Roche(TAMIFLU) and Glaxo (RELENZA).

In fact I don't even think that Relenza is the prefered drug here as we have met little resistance unlike other places around the world.

Can't say anything bad about the Canadian government though, we've already immunized almost 1/3 the population, thats more than pretty much anywhere else.


RE: A nice
By myhipsi on 11/19/2009 8:52:17 AM , Rating: 2
You are mistaken. Tamiflu and Relenza are both neuraminidase inhibitors which are antiviral drugs, not vaccines. There is one H1N1 vaccine available in Canada that is produced by Glaxo called Pandemrix.

My 2 cents on the subject of H1N1 and vaccines:

I think this issue has been blown way out of proportion compared to the actual threat. Sure, there are people dying from this flu, but that is no different than every other year when thousands die from the seasonal flu. It's pathetic really, since H1N1 has gotten widespread where I live, it's all I hear about on the radio and TV. The funny thing is, just about every person I know, including myself, has gotten this flu and survived it just like every other flu. It felt no different than any other flu I've gotten, in fact if anything it was milder. One person here died, sure she was only 35 but she was also a morbidly obese asthmatic. Case closed, no surprise there. At the risk of sounding callous, the flu is natures way of culling the weak and unhealthy of the population, like this 35 year old casualty. Not trying to disrespect or devalue this womans life, I'm sure she was a mother to children who loved her very much, but at some point you have to look at the situation with a rational eye. The logical approach would've been to just vaccinate the at-risk individuals from the get go. Healthy people don't need this vaccine, or any other flu vaccine for that matter. People are so dependent on doctors and medical technology now that they stopped being responsible for their own health. It was even recommended by a health care worker that I get the vaccine after I got sick. Now, why would I, a healthy 32 year old man, get the H1N1 shot especially after already being sick with it (aquiring lifetime immunity, unlike the vaccines). I looked at this "health care worker" like she was retarded and said, "why would I get the H1N1 shot after already having it". Her response, "it couldn't hurt". That just blows me away. There are people out there that actually need it, why would I take that from them.

Anyway, aside from all this ridiculousness, I've never known anybody to actually benefit from taking any flu shot. People I know who take the flu shot, get sick with the flu just as much or more as I do and I've never gotten a single vaccine since I was 15. No vaccine for me thanks, I'll leave that dose for someone who actually needs it.


RE: A nice
By MPE on 11/18/2009 1:03:02 PM , Rating: 2
As a side effect and not intention. By and large, pharmas are in the business of 'treating' and not 'curing.' Universities around the world, often subsidized, are now the primary source of actual break through medicines that not only treat but actually cure people.


OR...
By Gul Westfale on 11/18/2009 8:30:54 PM , Rating: 1
none at all might be good enough as well... it's teh goddamn FLU people, not the black plague. get over yourselves, retards.

here in montreal some people waited 8 hours outside, at night, in freezing temperatures to NOT GET THE FLU. wouldn't it have been smarter to, uh, not stand in the fucking cold for 8 hours?

some of them deserve to die; and no, that wouldn't be tragic. it would be natural selection.




RE: OR...
By snyper256 on 11/19/2009 1:23:48 AM , Rating: 2
More like "Unnatural selection"


RE: OR...
By myhipsi on 11/19/2009 9:06:23 AM , Rating: 2
I have to agree with you. It makes me sick to my stomach to see the fear people have for what amounts to... a flu. I shutter at the thought of what would happen to this society if a real deadly virus actually hit. I think people would probably go ape-sh*t crazy and civilization would fall apart.


RE: OR...
By kattanna on 11/19/2009 1:20:23 PM , Rating: 2
or people might have gotten so worn out from all the false fear mongering, that if/when a true issue cropped up, no one would care soon enough.

the old crying wolf story we heard as kids basically.


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