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Even its ally, China, is upset with the country

North Korea performed its third nuclear test today, saying that it was an act of self-defense against the United States.

According to North Korea's Foreign Ministry, today's test was the first response with maximum restraint.

"If the United States continues to come out with hostility and complicates the situation, we will be forced to take stronger, second and third responses in consecutive steps," North Korea's Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

North Korea is one of the most sanctioned states for its previous nuclear tests, but after today, the U.S. and its allies plan on "augmenting" these sanctions.

"The danger posed by North Korea's threatening activities warrants further swift and credible action by the international community" said U.S. President Barack Obama. "The United States will also continue to take steps necessary to defend ourselves and our allies."

North Korea has said in the past that Washington's aim was to "eliminate the political ideology and system our people have opted for."

According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, today's nuclear test measured "approximately several kilotons" while the first North Korean nuclear test in 2006 was under 1 kiloton and the second in 2009 was about 2-7 kilotons.

At first glance, U.S. security officials said the test seemed to use a plutonium-based prototype weapon (as did the previous two tests, but this was the latest version). More samples would have to be collected with the United States' WC-135 Constant Phoenix aircraft to determine if uranium was used.

North Korea's actions today has drawn criticism from many member states of the United Nations. The U.S., Japan, Russia, South Korea and China are a few that have denounced the test and urged North Korea to talks. Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe even said that this test was a "grave threat."

China is especially upset by the test, since it is a permanent member of the Security Council and North Korea's main economic and diplomatic ally. North Korea's defiance just goes to show that Beijing doesn't have the power or influence it thinks it has with the country. 

In December 2012, North Korea also successfully tested an intercontinental missile, drawing more international criticism. Earlier in 2012, North Korea said

Source: Reuters

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Anyone Else
By Sazabi19 on 2/13/2013 8:29:03 AM , Rating: 2
Look at the UN and see a small snot-nosed child complaining to its mother that is busy and just absent-mindedly says "That's nice dear."? Other than that NK is being very stupid (on par for the course) and even now China is (publicly) starting to show signs of annoyance. If they keep this up they may soon find themselves without any allies, they remind me a little dog. The idiots in their govt need to be dealt with and their people unopressed.

RE: Anyone Else
By pugster on 2/13/2013 8:55:23 AM , Rating: 1
North Korea is building nukes because they consider it as a deterrent. Look at many other countries like Iraq and Libya who were convinced by the West to 'disarm' only to be invaded later because they have a weak military.

In the early 2000's South and North Korea had the Sunshine policy to try to promote peace and stability in the region but Bush had to use his "Axis of Evil" speech which made North Korea paranoid and eventually started the nuclear weapons program.

The major problem is the US with about 30,000 troops sitting south of the DMZ and US does not want to sign a peace treaty with North Korea. With its unending sanctions and military threat, I doubt that North Korea had any other other choice but to use the nuclear option so that it can't be attacked and they will try to force some kind of peace settlement. The worse part is that the South Koreans just don't understand that the US is more of an impediment to peace between the Koreas.

RE: Anyone Else
By Flunk on 2/13/2013 9:06:24 AM , Rating: 1
At this point, nukes are going to just be the excuse they use to invade North Korea. A few years after that there will only be one Korea.

RE: Anyone Else
By GulWestfale on 2/13/2013 9:12:45 AM , Rating: 5
give kim jong-un a break, will ya? maybe th eguy was just ronery, so very ronery, and wanted to roast some marshmallows over a fire, but being a dictator he kinda went overboard a little with the fire part. have some compassion for this man. it also can't be easy being the only fat guy in a whole country; i mean, if you americans go to a gym or weight watchers you are surrounded by fellow KFC addicts who support you and tell you that you're totally not fat, but merely a bit rubenesque... whereas kim jong-un is all alone on his exercise bike. people do not dare laugh and point at him, but he can feel their sneers behind his back. he smiles on official photos, but on the inside, he is crying.

RE: Anyone Else
By Sazabi19 on 2/13/2013 11:37:59 AM , Rating: 2

Fixed for you.

RE: Anyone Else
By bah12 on 2/13/13, Rating: 0
RE: Anyone Else
By macca007 on 2/14/2013 1:09:21 AM , Rating: 1
You are almost right, Just change the sneers behind back part to licking their lips at next meal!

RE: Anyone Else
By CZroe on 2/13/2013 3:01:49 PM , Rating: 1
I think you are confusing "good damn reason" with "excuse."

Do you really agree with the idiot who said this?

"In the early 2000's South and North Korea had the Sunshine policy to try to promote peace and stability in the region but Bush had to use his "Axis of Evil" speech which made North Korea paranoid and eventually started the nuclear weapons program."

You are an absolute imbecile if you don't think both North Korea and Iran already had confirmed nuclear programs before the "Axis of Evil" speech. It's precisely why North Korea was named together with Iran and Iraq and precisely why we chose to make an example out of the only one who couldn't possibly hit back with nukes. The "bad intelligence" was simply Iraq using deliberately faulty evidence to intimidate Iran. We could (and did) see right through it even though we used it to make the public justification of the war (technically, kicking the inspectors out and violating the terms of surrender from the first Gulf War was all we needed). Before it emboldened them and backfired, it actually worked: Both Iran and North Korea suspended their programs. It isn't fantasy. We know when it was suspended and when it was resumed. It's documented history.

Were you just an oblivious kid while all this was happening?! It's really as simple as this:
We hoped to avoid a nuclear war with Iran or North Korea by making an example out of Iraq except now the world knows that Iraq didn't really have a nuclear program that *Iran and North Korea* originally thought they had. We knew all along.

RE: Anyone Else
By Ammohunt on 2/13/2013 9:31:51 AM , Rating: 5
You are very delusional! There is a huge difference between free nations possessing Nuclear weapons as a deterrent to an aggressive communist regime e.g. USSR vs. a radical nut job megalomaniac leader of a country using them for black mail. America in South Korea is the only reason the country exists today; not to take away from RoK soldiers they are today some of the finest infantry in the world but when the armistice was signed Korea had nothing and even today there is no way they could stand alone against NK backed by China.

RE: Anyone Else
By pugster on 2/13/2013 10:35:53 AM , Rating: 1
Right. These 'free' nations sent troops and invaded other countries. How many countries did North Korea invaded?

RE: Anyone Else
By bug77 on 2/13/2013 11:31:39 AM , Rating: 4
South Korea? And remember, they are officially still at war.

RE: Anyone Else
By pugster on 2/13/2013 12:31:23 PM , Rating: 1
Seriously, why don't you read the news? Google "North Korea Peace Treaty" and you will see that North Korea has been pursuing a peace treaty for decades, but South Korea and the US just won't budge. Heck, if they decides to disarm like Iraq and Libya, guess what will happen to them.

RE: Anyone Else
By Nfarce on 2/13/2013 12:47:52 PM , Rating: 4
There never WAS a "peace treaty" between the US and the DPRK brought to the table. What was signed nearly two decades ago during Clinton's presidency was a nuclear operational freeze agreement in exchange for US fuel-oil shipments and other perks. And this was only because the DPRK announced it was going to withdraw from the Nonproliferation Treaty. It was nothing but talks ever since and no traction could ever get done because North Korea would not agree to a basic tenant of ANY treaty: the verification measures.

If you think North Korea is so wonderful and all, why don't you just move there and tell us all we were wrong a year from now?

RE: Anyone Else
By bug77 on 2/13/2013 2:30:55 PM , Rating: 2
You asked who did North Korea invade. I obliged.

RE: Anyone Else
By jimbojimbo on 2/13/2013 3:08:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, the North Koreans really want peace just like Germany told the Soviet Union that it wouldn't attack them. It's just a peace of paper. Actions are what define a country and one that starves its people and spends all their money on their military is one that does not really want peace.

RE: Anyone Else
By jimbojimbo on 2/13/2013 3:09:22 PM , Rating: 2
Piece of paper. I had peace on the mind.

RE: Anyone Else
By Solandri on 2/13/2013 6:36:12 PM , Rating: 3
The problem with all North Korean peace proposals is that they refuse to recognize South Korea as a legitimate state. They see it as a puppet of the U.S., and thus all their proposed peace treaties are between the U.S. and North Korea only. This follows in line with the ceasefire negotiations which were held between the U.S. and North Korean military.

The U.S. has insisted that any permanent peace treaty has to cover all major combatants - South Korea, North Korea, The U.S., Japan, Russia (in lieu of the USSR), and China. And has to include recognition of South Korea as a legitimate state.

That's why the North Korean peace proposals have been rejected out of hand. Because what is the point of signing a peace treaty which officially declares South Korea to be a non-nation?

I'd also suggest hitting Youtube and watching some North Korean propaganda videos (especially the children's cartoons). Then you'll start to understand the paranoia and distorted worldview that governs everything North Korea says and does.

RE: Anyone Else
By Nfarce on 2/14/2013 12:13:03 AM , Rating: 3
You are wasting your time on people like that. They believe what they want to believe: the US sucks and is evil and North Korea is really the good guy who is just misunderstood and just wants to have a "unified" Korea if only everyone would agree with their delusional, unicorn-worshiping world.

RE: Anyone Else
By mevans336 on 2/13/2013 11:36:23 AM , Rating: 3
They can't feed their own citizens so they can't afford to invade another country. Besides, when your populace is dying from starvation and the vast majority live well below the international poverty line, yet the elite are living large ... why invade another country and upset your lavish lifestyle?

All North Korea wants is to prevent someone from stepping in and liberating their citizens from an oppressive regime. I feel awful for the average North Korean and wish there was something other than sanctions (which just make things worse) could be done about it.

RE: Anyone Else
By Sazabi19 on 2/13/2013 11:43:22 AM , Rating: 2
wait, why are you butthurt again? We are trying to get their government to change their ways and give their people freedom. They don't have the internet or anything up there, no information other than what their state feeds them. The US hasn't wanted to do much more than that. The NK govt didn't want their populace to be informed and started to get hostile when other countries looked and saw that. And ya that whole thing with South Korea, whom we HELP. I'm not in favor for a lot of the stuff we do but you sound like 1 of those idiots who just spouts stuff off to be cool in the whole "hating america" thing.

RE: Anyone Else
By pugster on 2/13/13, Rating: -1
RE: Anyone Else
By drlumen on 2/13/2013 1:30:00 PM , Rating: 3
When N Korea or Iran uses one of their nukes, how should the UN respond? Do you not know what deterrence means?

RE: Anyone Else
By maugrimtr on 2/14/2013 4:59:13 AM , Rating: 3
If I were S. Korea, I'd be firmly supportive of having 30,000 US troops within my borders. Let's take the example of Mali. A democratic state which fell victim to a military coup (and continues to be led by the coup's leader behind the scenes). What did everyone do there? The French went in to stabilise the nation from Islamic nuts and that's about it. A whole democracy hangs in the balance and we're now training/arming the very institution that is responsible for that.

You have to love global politics. Middle East - Throw all toys out of the pram when oil threatened and Iran squawks. Asia - Limit Chinese influence. Africa - Pretend it doesn't exist.

RE: Anyone Else
By Manch on 2/13/2013 9:50:39 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, you need to pick up a history book.

RE: Anyone Else
By bug77 on 2/13/2013 10:11:58 AM , Rating: 4
Really, they started a nuclear program because of the "Axis of evil" speech? In this case, what's an appropriate response from Israel to Iranian speeches?

RE: Anyone Else
By jimbojimbo on 2/13/2013 3:11:31 PM , Rating: 3
If I hadn't already posted I'd definitely mark you up on this one. Seriously. When a nearby country says straight out that they want to completely destroy your country what should you do?

RE: Anyone Else
By nafhan on 2/13/2013 10:48:55 AM , Rating: 2
The main problem is the North is ruled by a small group of individuals that do what it takes to maintain power with no regard for the citizens of the country. Everything else is just details.

RE: Anyone Else
By ClownPuncher on 2/13/2013 1:50:03 PM , Rating: 2
North Korea runs several concentration camps, violates the human rights of millions and keeps tight control over what can be said in their country. The leadership IS evil.

RE: Anyone Else
By Jeffk464 on 2/14/2013 8:40:58 AM , Rating: 2
The idiots in their govt need to be dealt with and their people unopressed.

Yeah thats nice, you willing to pick up a rifle and go fight to overthrow the regime? Also how do you know they won't use their nukes on the way down?

RE: Anyone Else
By Jeffk464 on 2/14/2013 8:43:36 AM , Rating: 2
Uh oh, NK has really upset the UN. They better prepare themselves to receive a sternly written letter on official UN letter head.

By Creig on 2/13/2013 7:55:51 AM , Rating: 2
North Korea is the one conducting nuclear bomb tests, ICBM tests while threatening further actions and yet the U.S. is the the one "coming out with hostility and complicating the situation"?

That's a messed up country.

By tayb on 2/13/2013 11:08:01 AM , Rating: 2
How many countries has North Korea attacked or invaded in the last decade or so?

And what about the United States?

Check back through history to see where the "war of words and hostility" actually started.

By mevans336 on 2/13/2013 11:37:53 AM , Rating: 2
North Korea has shelled South Korea and killed their citizens numerous times in the past decade.

By tayb on 2/13/2013 11:39:12 AM , Rating: 1
And the US has never done such a thing! Ever!

By Sazabi19 on 2/13/2013 11:46:59 AM , Rating: 1
Because either we were attacked or our allies asked us to help. It's idiotic to think we have gone out to attack people to just conquer or get land (since the modern age). Seriously wake up.

By Nfarce on 2/13/2013 3:38:48 PM , Rating: 3
Vietnam: we came to the defense of the southern Vietnamese who wanted help in stopping the spread of Communism (which spread to Laos). That's hardly an "invasion."

Iraq: The first war (1991) was to defend and rescue Kuwait from Saddam's invasion. We stopped kicking their asses when they were beaten back to Iraq's border. The second war (2003-) was about repeat UN violations left in place from the first war and threats of WMDs with the intelligence that was gathered by an international coalition. It was/is a broad coalition of forces, not just the US. But it was a mistake in hindsight.

The DR was in the middle of a civil war and in turmoil.

Libya (the first attack in 1986) was in retaliation for terrorist bombing at a disco in Berlin. The second attack on Libya I didn't quite understand, like most things under Obama. No comment there.

Pakistan is self-evident with harboring terrorists and lying about it (where we got Bin Laden). 'Nuff said on the justification for that.

In any event, it's quite apparent we don't quite see eye-to-eye on a REASON for each of these "hostilities" as you call them. And I sure don't see America running propaganda like showing a video of nuclear missiles blowing up American cities.

By Reclaimer77 on 2/13/2013 5:02:27 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you for putting Tayb in his place. I swear that kid must be 13 years old and had his head filled with anti-American crap at some public school system.

Of course he's not the only one who basically isn't even looking at the situation, but instead using nothing more than poorly placed moral relativism to make an argument.

Seriously, you're all idiots. Any of you who think "Duur American dun invaded people in the past, so why can't Communists have nukes!!??"

That's literally how you come off here. No joke. You sound EXACTLY like that.

By Skywalker123 on 2/13/2013 5:41:48 PM , Rating: 1
We prevented free elections in Vietnam because we knew that Ho chi Minh would win. 500,000 troops isnt an invasion? More bombs dropped than all the bombs used in WW2 by both sides.
Iraq, Secretary of State Albright told Saddam we didnt care about their border disputes before he attacked. Your right about our "mistake" which cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's.
You forgot about our backing death squads in Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua. Martin Luther King called America the
greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" nothing has changed.

By Reclaimer77 on 2/13/2013 6:30:19 PM , Rating: 2
Martin Luther King called America the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today

Was that before or after he got shot? Ironic right!? Huh...huuuu...

*awkward silence*

too soon?

By MechanicalTechie on 2/13/2013 6:39:30 PM , Rating: 1
Amen brother

But I fear your wasting your breath.. Most Americans are so indoctrinated in their governments propaganda that they'll accept any lame excuse to continue their murdering global campaign.

By Ammohunt on 2/13/2013 8:06:11 PM , Rating: 2
Do some research and compare how many people have been liberated and now live free today because of Americas "murdering global campaign" You can start counting with Europe, Japan, Philippines, Korea, Afghanistan, Korea, Panama, Iraq, Kuwait and many others I have forgotten. Learn a little bit about history before you post such ignorant nonsense.

By MechanicalTechie on 2/13/2013 10:19:17 PM , Rating: 2
Europe - America was happy to sit on its hands while racking in massive profits selling arms to the Allies until Japan attacked Peral Harbour.

Japan - Firebombed into oblivion and nukes dropped.

Philippines - was liberated so Japan could be steamed rolled.

Korea - America only intervened because of the communist fear just like Vietnam not because of the poor Koreans or Vietnamese

Afghanistan - Are you kidding me? Seriously are you THAT stupid? destorying that country.. for what? democracy.. dont be ridiculious

Iraq - Ummm Oil, Influennce? Mean anything to you?

Kuwait - As above

Your... you know what... your just not worth it. I pity you!

By Nfarce on 2/13/2013 11:59:04 PM , Rating: 2
Whining about Iraq and oil? REALLY? Typical of the left. Here's a factoid for ya: the US gets over 1/3 of its oil between Canada and South American nations combined ALONE. In fact, we import more oil from Canada alone than all Middle Eastern nations COMBINED, <- which nearly equals the same amount as African nations we import from. The other plurality? Oh, it comes from the US itself. DRILL BABY DRILL!

Reading and learning does a mind good.

By MechanicalTechie on 2/14/2013 1:26:28 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously are you that naive?

First its not purely about consumption of oil... it just as important is the control its access. Halliburton and other US companies got massive contracts for oil distribution facilities as well as processing plants... But I guess the US had to find ways to pay for the war right?

And had you done some real research you'd know that 10 years ago... you know when the war started... the middle east was exporting much more oil that it does today..

I mean who would figure.. its not as if bombing a country to beaded glass or slapping another with economy sanitation on two major players in opec is going to affect their ability to sell oil. Its totally ridiculious to quote oil consumption from 2012.. its not related

I'm sure in your mind America is always so honest and honourable... never two faced, arrangant with an insatiable appetite for war? So why is it that millions of people hate your guts?.. Any thoughts on that one?

By Ammohunt on 2/14/2013 11:01:15 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure in your mind America is always so honest and honourable... never two faced, arrangant with an insatiable appetite for war? So why is it that millions of people hate your guts?.. Any thoughts on that one?

vs. lazy, ignorant, passive aggressive, wimpy countries(All of Europe)? We have always been the enforcement arm of the UN because most other countries either don't give a crap about human rights or they don't have the balls to stand up for what's right. No country is perfect but to say America likes war or lusts for it is both wrong and extremely ignorant; take it from a former warrior and a direct descendent of those that risked there lives to liberate millions of Americas,Europeans and Asians. If you had a spine you would understand.

By StormyKnight on 2/14/2013 3:19:29 AM , Rating: 2
And the US has never done such a thing! Ever!

I cannot in recent history recall when the United States has ever shelled South Korea. Can you show me when this happened?

Infallible plan
By rpsgc on 2/13/2013 9:02:13 AM , Rating: 2
Send in a crack-team of commandos to wipe out the political and military leaders.

Claim it was an act of disapproval by Great-God-Leader Kim Jong-il.

Everyone hi-fives.

RE: Infallible plan
By Solandri on 2/13/2013 6:46:23 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody wants to be responsible for the fallout from something like that. Yes best case it could result in the liberation of the country. But worst case, Seoul, with a metro population of 25 million and capitol of the 15th largest economy in the world, is within artillery range of North Korea...

So everyone does what they've been doing for the last 60 years. Sitting and waiting and hoping someone inside the North Korean leadership wisens up and opens up the country in Gorbachev fashion.

RE: Infallible plan
By Reclaimer77 on 2/13/2013 6:57:43 PM , Rating: 2
But worst case, Seoul, with a metro population of 25 million and capitol of the 15th largest economy in the world, is within artillery range of North Korea...

Good. Then we would finally have cause to go back in and finish what we should have done the first time.

MacArthur was right. We wouldn't even be in this mess today if that pussy Truman had the balls to end Communism once and for all.

RE: Infallible plan
By JediJeb on 2/13/2013 11:55:46 PM , Rating: 2
Actually the best thing would be to sabotage one of their missile launches so that it lands in China, then let China take care of the problem.

Upsets the U.N. Lol...
By Arsynic on 2/13/2013 9:51:12 AM , Rating: 2
Upsetting the Useless Nations is like upsetting my two-year-old, he throws a tantrum for a little bit but in the end he's too powerless to actually do anything.

RE: Upsets the U.N. Lol...
By Manch on 2/13/2013 9:53:59 AM , Rating: 2
True, they're going to do "The usual thing"

RE: Upsets the U.N. Lol...
By kattanna on 2/13/2013 11:50:42 AM , Rating: 2
but in the end he's too powerless to actually do anything.

which the US is partly to blame. We dont want a powerful UN, cause then they might do something we dont like.

but the same can be said about all the veto wielding states

A very angry letter....
By Amiga500 on 2/13/2013 8:42:23 AM , Rating: 2
Is on its way to Pyongyang from Hans Blix as we speak.

RE: A very angry letter....
By GulWestfale on 2/13/2013 9:14:12 AM , Rating: 1
you're a couple years with that one, buddy.

RE: A very angry letter....
By Sazabi19 on 2/13/2013 11:47:58 AM , Rating: 2

Our only future is nukes due to stupid governmnets
By KOOLTIME on 2/13/2013 7:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
Every small country is arming for this, they have no choice any more. The only way to defend if your a small country any more is nukes. They dont have people for arms combat against larger countries.

Some people dont like to compromise, so killings happen. We humans are not socially up on the "smart scale" to change that effect globally yet. To many governments spending trillions on more weapons lol.

You would think thousands of years of fighting with weapons on the planet, folks would wise up one day and realize that system will never work to "Save Life".

Shield n sword days of old any different then guns today ? Not really the larger effect of warring is still the same, regardless of technology used to accomplish it.

Stupidity at its finest hour.

By Jeffk464 on 2/14/2013 8:50:54 AM , Rating: 2
Humans are humans, same brains, instincts, and emotions throughout history. Why do you think time would change anything?

By PrinceGaz on 2/13/2013 9:58:48 AM , Rating: 3
In December 2012, North Korea also successfully tested an intercontinental missile...

They actually successfully tested a launch vehicle to put a satellite into orbit.

China not understand history
By Fujikoma on 2/13/2013 8:56:23 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe China will realize that the only difference between an ally and an nuclear armed enemy is an ideological leader. It's in China's better interests to limit nuclear technology in their own backyard, considering that they mess in those affairs just like other nations. It usually comes back to bite those countries in one form or another.

By blackseed on 2/13/2013 10:38:17 AM , Rating: 2
U.N. is

China's not really angry
By jimbojimbo on 2/13/2013 3:15:47 PM , Rating: 2
Really they're pretty happy about this and hoping the US government will pay more attention to NK now so they can continue to hack into all our systems. I wouldn't be surprised if after Obama's speech China wanted a little diversion and told NK to go ahead and do this.

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