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Nook HD+ now priced at $179.99 and $199.99 respectively for 16GB and 32GB models

Barnes and Noble introduced the Nook HD+ last year in an effort to thwart the momentum that Amazon was gaining in the relatively low cost tablet arena with the Kindle Fire HD.
The Nook HD+ is backed by relatively stout hardware, bringing with it a 1.5GHz dual-core processor, 1GB RAM, and a 9" 1920x1280 display. The tablet is available in 16GB and 32GB models, and if that isn't enough storage space, a microSD slot is also included for digital media packrats.
But for all of its pluses, the Nook HD+ has been hamstrung by its reliance on its own “walled garden” to supply a woefully inadequate subset of popular apps. When it comes to app selection, Barnes and Noble simply couldn't compete with the vast app catalogs offered by the iOS App Store, Google Play Store, or even Amazon's App Store.
Barnes and Noble is now trying to fix its app handicap by announcing full support for the Google Play Store through an automatic over-the-air update. That means that Nook HD and Nook HD+ customers will now have access to over 700,000 Android apps/games.
“By adding Google Play to NOOK HD and NOOK HD+, we are offering our customers even more great entertainment on our award-winning tablets,” said William Lynch, CEO of Barnes & Noble.

In addition, the Nook HD+ can now access other Google Services including GMail, YouTube, Google Maps, and the Chrome web browser.

Now, many people might say that this is too little too late for Barnes and Noble in the tablet game. And we'd normally be inclined to agree with that statement. However, Barnes and Noble has another trick up its sleeve in the form of reduced pricing.
Today, the company dropped the price of the Nook HD+ just in time for Mother's Day. Whereas the 16GB and 32GB versions of the Nook HD+ were priced at $269 and $299 respectively, retailers like Best Buy and Target are now selling those same tablets for $179.99 and $199.99 respectively through May 12.
This is definitely a step in the right direction for Barnes and Noble on both fronts, and a $200 tablet with 32GB, microSD expansion, a 1920x1280 display and access to the Google Play Store might be hard for many people to ignore.

Sources: Barnes and Noble [1], [2]

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It's over
By flyingpants1 on 5/5/2013 4:58:35 PM , Rating: 2
$199 for a 9" 1080p tablet? It's over now. There's no need to look at an iPad ever again.

RE: It's over
By retrospooty on 5/5/2013 5:31:57 PM , Rating: 2
I got one for my wife last week with a $70 rebate, so $200. One of the great things about it is you can boot from the SD card. Now JellyBean/CyanogenMod is running off the SD card without affecting the stock ROM at all. Take out the SD card and sell it at 100% stock. I was expecting it to be slow running from SD, but its actually running really well, so well that now I want it. . Now she has a 9 inch tablet equal to the Kindle Fire HD+ with even better res @ 1920x1280. Its an odd res, in between 16x10 and 4x3. Its really sharp. Great tablet for the price. Its not the best tablet in the world, but it beats the crap out of MY Nexus 7 for the same price... 200 is for a 9 inch 1920x1280 tablet is a sweet deal and now its even cheaper.

RE: It's over
By Brandon Hill on 5/5/2013 7:21:24 PM , Rating: 2
Do you by any chance know if Amazon Instant Videos (available through Google Play Store) works with the new firmware? If yes, I might just have to break down and get one.

RE: It's over
By retrospooty on 5/5/2013 7:32:47 PM , Rating: 2
IT works running CM10 off the SD. I will try it on the Nook OS in a bit and post back. The new one I bought today is charging up now.

RE: It's over
By retrospooty on 5/5/2013 7:52:48 PM , Rating: 2
Negative amazon has it locked. Then again amazon has it locked for many devices. You can side load it to cm 10 though. the Kindle reader works fine though. I don't really get the logic of allowing one and locking the other but that's life in the digital age.

RE: It's over
By Brandon Hill on 5/5/2013 8:01:25 PM , Rating: 2
BOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Thanks for checking though!

RE: It's over
By TakinYourPoints on 5/6/2013 2:18:34 AM , Rating: 2
Amazon is very restrictive with their services. The Kindle e-reader is still probably the most restricted device I own. Little complaint from me, its a great product and such things rarely bother me, but even then I can't help but notice.

Either way, the fact that their digital streaming service only works with some Android devices, especially since it runs on so many other pieces of hardware (iOS devices, XBox 360, Roku, the frigging WiiU ) is ridiculous given that its on the Kindle Fire.

RE: It's over
By theapparition on 5/6/2013 1:32:45 PM , Rating: 2
You can still get to Amazon movies.

Download a flash compatible browser, install flash, set browser to desktop mode and you can get all the movies you want

RE: It's over
By teng029 on 5/6/2013 2:01:07 AM , Rating: 3
you do realize that the price cut is only for a week, right?

RE: It's over
By testerguy on 5/6/2013 1:30:03 PM , Rating: 1
$199 for a 9" 1080p tablet? It's over now. There's no need to look at an iPad ever again.

Can't tell if serious....

storage pricing
By MadMan007 on 5/5/2013 6:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
Why is B&N just about the only manufacturer who doesn't way overcharge for storage upgrades? $20 for +16GB is way better than so many other device makers.

RE: storage pricing
By TakinYourPoints on 5/5/2013 6:49:33 PM , Rating: 2
Demand is why. The Nook hasn't been selling well compared to the Fire or other low end tablets, hence the low upgrade costs and price drops.

The Nook should see a very nice spike thanks to this price drop. I don't see how they can overcome the Amazon juggernaut though. I can't remember the last time I walked into a B&N. Meanwhile I can't imagine why I'd stop using Amazon Prime.

Really attractive
By txDrum on 5/5/2013 6:22:57 PM , Rating: 2
With some marketing, I think barnes and noble would definitely have a hit on their hands. Switch to Qualcomm hardware, and it's a home run.

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By AngelaCarter08 on 5/8/13, Rating: 0
Price Correction
By docinct on 5/5/13, Rating: -1
RE: Price Correction
By Brandon Hill on 5/5/2013 3:59:00 PM , Rating: 3
Did you read the article?

retailers like Best Buy and Target are now selling those same tablets for $179.99 and $199.99

Why would you buy it direct from Barnes and Noble when Best Buy and Target are selling it for $199. It's linked right in the story.

RE: Price Correction
By bug77 on 5/5/2013 4:22:46 PM , Rating: 2
Is there a catch? At this price point, the tablets look like no brainers. I mean, they offer better value than Nexus 7 (though I was hoping after Google IO Nexus would some price cuts of its own).

RE: Price Correction
By Brandon Hill on 5/5/2013 4:29:58 PM , Rating: 2
The only thing I can think of is no camera, but I don't really care about that -- I have a phone and M4/3 camera for that.

$199 is very tempting.

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/5/2013 5:34:28 PM , Rating: 2
Here... to maker it more tempting.

You can boot from an SD card and run rooted CM10 without rooting the Nook, or voiding the warranty... Next year, when you upgrade, take out the SD card and give the Nook to grandma =) (or sell it stock).

RE: Price Correction
By Lord 666 on 5/5/2013 6:03:36 PM , Rating: 2
The price cut could also allude to potential iPad mini price cut. Not really a favor comparison, but $199 is the price the mini should have been from day one.

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/5/2013 6:34:09 PM , Rating: 2
That probably won't happen, Apple is selling every mini that they make. The price will likely remain the same while they increase its resolution to 2048x1536 (that's what ideally should have been there from day one).

RE: Price Correction
By BRB29 on 5/6/2013 8:46:57 AM , Rating: 2
are you sure about that?
Apple has reportedly cut its shipments of the iPad mini to between 10-12 million units for the second quarter of 2013, according to industry sources. The figure is based on shipment information given from multiple sources who provide various components for Apple's iPad mini. The decrease may be as high as 20% on month during April, the sources noted, and may continue to slightly decrease throughout the quarter to bring total shipments of the iPad mini to as low as 10 million units during the quarter.

Sure, their excuse is they are getting ready for the next Ipad mini. Unless their the mini2 launch in June, this excuse is just bad. If I learned anything in accounting and operation & supply chain management, they have a ton of ipad minis sitting in warehouses. They are slowing down production so they don't have to sit on a huge amount of inventory. In other words, apple is not selling every mini that they make and they are cutting production.

RE: Price Correction
By Lord 666 on 5/6/2013 10:32:19 AM , Rating: 2
Thinking a tiered model the way iPad and iPad 2 currently are positioned.

Have a iPad mini at $199 and iPad mini 2 at $329.

I'm obviously ignoring the iTouch

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/7/2013 1:37:16 AM , Rating: 1
I can't speak to things right at this moment. I know that through February there was still a more than 24 hour wait to buy one through their website. If they've caught up with demand then that's clearly a reason for inventory to start accumulating.

In any case, their price probably isn't changing. I imagine that the $320 price is to make room for the inevitable move to retina displays. Launching the mini at $250 and then increasing the price to $320 when the BOM skyrockets thanks to a much higher res display and faster SoC would piss customers off way more.

RE: Price Correction
By BRB29 on 5/7/2013 2:14:10 PM , Rating: 2
How could there be a 24 hour wait to buy an ipad mini through february. It's either available or not available. How could you have a 24 hour wait through a whole month? it would be a month wait then lol

RE: Price Correction
By BRB29 on 5/6/2013 8:36:07 AM , Rating: 2
Apple doesn't price their products based on competitors because they've differentiated their market. They price it based on demands of IOS devices. Android is considered a substitution and inferior product from Apple's viewpoint.

In the coming years, you will see apple compete more with prices as Tim Cook is horrible with keeping the company's premium image. I don't know who approved some of the apple's commercials but it is a disaster since Steve died. Seriously, some of these commercials are stupid and some of them are straight up insulting.

RE: Price Correction
By MadMan007 on 5/5/2013 6:07:24 PM , Rating: 2
This may not count as a 'catch' exactly, but the SoC isn't so great - a TI OMAP 4470. Good enough for general/basic use I suppose, but it was a little old even at launch and will be quite slow compared to anything that comes out this year. But...$200.

RE: Price Correction
By MadMan007 on 5/5/2013 6:35:04 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, something that is more of a catch - the charger is a proprietary plug rather than USB. That's annoying for travel and portability...sure, USB 2.0 doesn't provide as much current but USB 3.0 is pretty common now and high-current travel chargers are common too. Maybe it would have added a little to the cost to make the Nook sense if it's plugged into a low current USB 2.0 port and limit current draw.

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/5/2013 6:30:27 PM , Rating: 1
There is no catch, you're getting what you pay for. The hardware isn't as fast as something like the Nexus 7, the UI isn't that smooth, and even with Google Play the tablet optimized app library isn't that good, so there are tradeoffs. That said, for basic things like Netflix it absolutely cannot be beaten at that price.

I'd throw in books as a plus but I still prefer e-paper for that. :)

Another plus is that it isn't 16:9 like so many other tablets are. Aside from the price, this might be the thing I like most about the Nook HD+. In landscape it is slightly taller than 16:10, which is really good.

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/5/2013 7:30:09 PM , Rating: 3
"There is no catch, you're getting what you pay for."

Dont let TYP's narrow fruit biased opinion sway yours. You get ALOT more than you pay for with this. If you stick with the latest Nook ROM, it supports the play store and you can load any launcher you want, so you don't have to deal with Nook's app store at all. It runs decent... Certainly not the fastest tablet in the world, but a hell of alot better than anything else that you'll get for $179, and the screen is awesome. It beats the crap out of the Nexus 7 and iPad mini by a massive longshot. If you are feeling like an easy change, you can even run Cyanogenmod 10 directly off the SD card without rooting or modding the Nook itself one bit, and it runs great. Remove the SD card and boot back up and its 100% stock again. Awesome tablet and an awesome deal. I just got back from Best buy. I mentioned I bought my wife one last week for $200 after a $70 rebate. As soon as I saw how great CM10 ran off the SD I wished I had got one for myself... So after seeing this price change today, I jumped. Running the OS install on the SD as I type... Whoot!

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/6/2013 1:58:59 AM , Rating: 1
All the OS and rooting talk means little unless you enjoy fiddling for the sake of fiddling. Apps give utility, not being able to run a poorly supported and choppy operating system off of an SD card.

An OS with nothing in the way of optimized applications is a toy. Upscaled phone apps being the majority of a tablet library is weak.

As I've said though, at this price it is an excellent deal for a basic web browser and Netflix machine. The Nexus 7 is not an easy alternative now, even with its faster Tegra 3.

Like I said, you're getting what you pay for. There is no catch, you aren't getting everything but you're still getting a decent product.

The aspect ratio is another plus, The Nook's ~16:10 beats 16:9 in a tablet any day.

RE: Price Correction
By Samus on 5/6/2013 3:18:41 AM , Rating: 2
I love how people are talking about this thing like its slow when the only faster tablets are the iPad 4 and something Tegra 3-based. That isn't very many tablets, especially for <$200.

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/6/2013 8:24:09 AM , Rating: 2
It's not slow. It's still a 1.5 ghz dual core. Not the best of course, but it runs well. TYP will just do anything he can to try and passively aggressively promote his fruit based reason for waking in the morning.

If you are doing something unique that requires a particularly fast tablet, this isnt the one to get. If you just want a good priced tablet with great res and your basic web, email, social media, etc functionality, its a perfect fit.

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/7/2013 1:15:15 AM , Rating: 1
It's a 1.5Ghz dual core OMAP 4470.

It is slow. Really slow.

I thought we were well past the point of knowing that clockspeed isn't the main factor when it comes to performance. This is why you can have a 1ghz A6 run circles around a Tegra 3 at 1.6ghz.

Did you believe that the Pentium 4 was faster than a lower clocked Athlon 64? Do you believe that a higher clocked 8-core Bulldozer is faster than a lower clocked i7 Ivy Bridge?

Otherwise, I don't see why you're taking so much offense to my post. I literally said it was EXCELLENT for the price. You're giving up performance and applications but if you aren't doing much with it then it can't be beat for $200, plus it is is 16:10 instead of 16:9.

Again, you're really taking offense at me calling it an "excellent" low end tablet.


RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/7/2013 2:01:20 AM , Rating: 2
I mean, I spent more time talking about the downsides of the iPad (10" is too bulky/heavy and 8" needs a retina display) while I called the Nook tablet "excellent" at $200. Obviously I'm a hater. :p

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/7/2013 9:01:22 AM , Rating: 2
I totally agree about the size, although I have to say I have never seen you talk any downside of any Apple product other than lack of multi user support and mini, waiting for retina. We have had great and long debates over the past year and I have seen you do anything but crap all over Android and praise everything Apple.

I do think the mini is a perfect size. The 9 inch Nook is just a tad too big and the 7 inch Nexus a tad too small. If they get that retina mini out this year I just might buy it, (no booshee).

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/9/2013 6:16:39 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, you gloss over negative things I say about them. I have a pretty balanced view when it comes to these things and am pretty quick about pointing out where they fall short.

It isn't that Apple products are so amazing, its more that so much Android hardware (I've made many exceptions for HTC) and software just isn't that great. Fortunately most of it is priced accordingly (cheap).

I've complained lots over the increased size and weight of the iPad 3 and 4. Its performance and display are great but they strapped a massive battery to make it possible. It isn't as comfortable to hold over long periods like the iPad 2 was, and that was already borderline "too big/heavy".

Ideally their next step is to ease off on increasing performance and getting the iPad's size/weight to a reasonable level.

It would be great if it was something that felt much closer to the small Kindle e-reader, but that might be a physical impossibility.

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/7/2013 8:57:12 AM , Rating: 2
Chill out man... I was replying to Samus. When I said dont let you sway him, I was referring to this -(your usual soapbox rant) "Apps give utility, not being able to run a poorly supported and choppy operating system off of an SD card. An OS with nothing in the way of optimized applications is a toy. Upscaled phone apps being the majority of a tablet library is weak." I am fairly sure your only experience with todays Androids is picking up demo models in a store that have been handled by a dozen idiots at the store and countless customers that have done god knows what to it. Not a good basis for analysis.

I think we agree its a great deal. I said before its a mid range CPU, with a great screen and a low end price tag. If it has a weekness its that pushing all those pixels is a bit tough for it. I loaded CM10 on my wifes old touchpad and gave it to my daughter. It has a 1.2ghz dual OMAP and runs smooth. This 1.5ghz dual OMAP isnt going to win any speed prizes, but again, most people just browse the web, check their email and facebook. For me, remove facebook and add remote desktop into servers at work. It serves that purpose well and is cheap enough that I can overlook its lacks. I got a 2nd one for myself to use because of the screen. Its a great "tide me over" unit until later this year. Then I buy myself another and give this to someone.

RE: Price Correction
By ShaolinSoccer on 5/8/2013 2:47:00 PM , Rating: 2
What do you mean by "really slow"? It doesn't look that slow to me after watching this vid and other videos:

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/9/2013 6:22:20 PM , Rating: 2
Its UI and web browser scrolling are noticeably laggy/choppy compared to other tablets like the Nexus 7. Of course, you're now getting a larger screen for the same price, so the downgrade from a Tegra 3 to a TI OMAP can be worth it (I think it is, esp with a 16:10 screen and Play access)

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/10/2013 1:15:31 PM , Rating: 2
After using for a while on an older build of CM10 (from January) I can report this... The UI runs great, as do pretty much all apps I have tried, but browser is noticeably slow. It scrolls mmmmm "OK" once fully loaded, not at smooth as an iPad or Nexus 7, or any other high end phone, but good enough for the price... The weakpoint is page loads. It really takes a while to load a picture heavy pages. If a page takes 1 second to fully load on my S3 and N7, it takes about 3 to load on the Nook HD+. Page loads are slow on the default OS as well. Not great by any means. 3 seconds doesnt sound like alot, but it is noticeable when you are used to things running faster. Running cpu monitoring while doing this, it doesnt appear to be CPU bound. Not sure why its slow in that one area, but it definitely is on both OS's.

To anyone considering buying it, I would say its still a great deal, but if you browse alot and super fast page loads are important to you, this is not the tablet for you... It will work for me for now until either the next N7 comes, or possibly iPad mini/retina.

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/6/2013 8:17:48 AM , Rating: 2
"All the OS and rooting talk means little unless you enjoy fiddling for the sake of fiddling. Apps give utility, not being able to run a poorly supported and choppy operating system off of an SD card."

You are an idiot. This is something I enjoy doing, there is no need to do it. I do it because I like to, and the ability to run it off the SD card is just a plus. You forget, this isnt your gandma's tech site, this is an actual tech site where people that do abnormal things to thier tech hang out (LOL, shutup). To you, every Android device ever made is a poorly supported choppy OS, and it shows your total cluelessness on the subject, so I will just pass on your ignorance about it.

"An OS with nothing in the way of optimized applications is a toy. Upscaled phone apps being the majority of a tablet library is weak."

Umm... Every single tablet ever made is a toy, as is most of Apple's entire lineup. This is a great priced toy, as opposed to an iPad, a toy that costs almost 3x as much and does 99% the same things for most users (browse web, check email, faccebook, + sharp res). Sure the iPad is better overall, on the same scale the $499 should probably be priced at $299 and the $329 mini should be $149.

RE: Price Correction
By BRB29 on 5/6/2013 9:02:47 AM , Rating: 2
$149 would be a great price for an ipad mini but that's probably undercutting quite a bit.

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/6/2013 9:52:57 AM , Rating: 2
If you are comparing what it does, performance, specs and features, the iPad mini should be even cheaper than $149. I was being generous. 1024x768 @ $329 is a laugher.

RE: Price Correction
By Mint on 5/6/2013 12:08:14 PM , Rating: 2
The iPad mini is about size and form factor, not specs.

AFAIK, it has the most viewing area per ounce of any mobile device by quite some margin (2.7 in2/oz vs 1.8 in2/oz for the Nexus 7), and on top of that battery life is respectable.

From that point of view, I can understand the price premium. Until somebody else gets close, it's pretty justifiable.

Personally I don't see a value in any tablet. My Note II serves all my more-mobile-than-a-laptop computing needs.

RE: Price Correction
By Brandon Hill on 5/6/2013 12:16:56 PM , Rating: 3
Viewing area per ounce? LOL, that's a new one!

RE: Price Correction
By testerguy on 5/6/2013 1:37:16 PM , Rating: 2
Well the normal one is simply - the iPad Mini is lighter than any other comparable tablets.

It is thinner, lighter, has a faster GPU (than the Nexus 7, for example), has a camera (unlike the Nexus 7), has the longest battery life of pretty much any tablet, widely praised screen (in terms of colours and accuracy), extremely smooth OS which is optimised for it, and the apps are just not at all comparable with anything Android has to offer.

That's before we mention reliability and resale value. Even ardent Android fanboy's admit that in the tablet space Android hasn't stepped up to the plate yet.

The minute the extreme fanboys (retro) try to defend this product based on rooting on SD card? Game over. For anyone with any kind of successful life, that is just wayyy too much time to waste on something which should require zero setup. It's not a feature, it's a chore. Which is why these things aren't selling.

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/6/2013 2:39:04 PM , Rating: 2
Meh... That is a matter of personal choice. I like to do stuff like that so I do. If you bother to read, either the article or the thread you are replying to you would see its not needed. The Nook OS runs play store and any launcher so basically its like a Kindle Fire without the walled garden. Again, like I said, its not a high end tablet. I think its a fair and accurate description to say the Nook HD+ has a mid-range CPU with a high end screen for a low end price. Good combo if you ask me, that's why I bought 2. If you think the iPad mini is a better deal then by all means, YOU go buy one and enjoy it.

RE: Price Correction
By ShaolinSoccer on 5/8/2013 3:22:19 PM , Rating: 2
This is a "tech site" for people who don't mind putting other ROMS on an SD card. And as far as I know, you don't need to root your device to do it so you won't have to worry about ruining your warranty. The fact that you CAN do this on this device makes it MUCH better. It gives people more freedom to do whatever they want. You need to argue your point on your grandma's websites.

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/6/2013 12:54:35 PM , Rating: 2
I agree... partly. Its a great size and form factor, but 1024x768 is extremely low end by todays standards. Even bargain bin $149 Androids with smaller screens have 1280x800. That's just me though. I look at what you get and see the mini as a total ripoff... With that said, if they beef up the res it is one of the best small tablets out there. An iPad mini with higher res would be the one Apple product I might actually buy... Of course its not out and, by the time it is released there will probably be better things available for less $ on the other side. Some great Windows tablets in that size range are coming too.

RE: Price Correction
By BRB29 on 5/6/2013 1:04:12 PM , Rating: 2
retro, I am having a hard finding a decently built tablet for $149 that is comparable to the Ipad mini. The screen is where it shines even with its low resolution. The feel and operation of it is better. The bezel is also tiny thus giving it 7.9" display in a package about the same as any other 7" tablet. Specs alone doesn't make a good product. If that was the case, then BMW wouldn't be anything special.

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/7/2013 1:29:55 AM , Rating: 2
The iPad Mini's res does suck though. Once it gets the same res as the standard iPad then it will be worth its cost.

You are getting access to a real software library and a smooth UI, which is a plus, but the lack of a retina display is a big hit for me.

Again, once it gets a proper res then it'll be cool, its just a matter of SoCs getting efficient enough. The weight of the current 10" iPad is my biggest problem with it, and strapping a huge battery to a mini because of current gen GPUs capable of running that display would suck even more.

RE: Price Correction
By BRB29 on 5/6/2013 12:57:34 PM , Rating: 2
You can argue that the ipad mini has the hardware of something worth $149 then I would agree. However, the overall package of the ipad mini is much better than anything at that price. Realistically I think it should be 200-229.
At $329, the $199 Nexus 7 and Nook HD+ is a clear winner.

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/7/2013 1:28:31 AM , Rating: 2
This is something I enjoy doing, there is no need to do it. I do it because I like to, and the ability to run it off the SD card is just a plus.

I understand, but framing it as a great reason to have one is a bit shortsighted.

Back in the day I wrote custom config sys and batch files to run DOS games better. Same with keeping tabs on interrupt conflicts with the sound card and such (IRQ 7!!!).

I did that stuff because I wanted to play games, not because I enjoyed doing that stuff. It was a means to and end. I'm sure there was someone like you who actually got off on doing that stuff. In the end I just wanted to use my hardware and software. Same with things like letting services like Steam manage my software rather than manually patching them and backing up my saved games myself.

I do enjoy assembling new gaming PCs every couple years, but that's the extend of how much I enjoy pointless fiddling these days.

If you enjoy it, that's cool. If I come in and say that a $200 tablet is an excellent deal, despite certain caveats (slow hardware and less software), hearing "you can run Android off of an SD card" isn't a plus for me. Replacing one choppy poorly supported tablet OS with another running off of a slow SD card (even choppier!) isn't a plus in my book.

I do understand that it is fun from a hobby perspective, so I'll give you that. I dunno, I've fiddled enough with secondary partitions running Linux desktops and eventually gone back to Windows every time to get that fiddling out of my system. All I care about is fast performance and having the best software, whether it is with my PCs or my tablets.

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/7/2013 9:37:47 AM , Rating: 2
"I understand, but framing it as a great reason to have one is a bit shortsighted"

Seriously? If you are going to reply, at least read what you are replying to... I didn't frame it a s a great reason to buy one... It was an "in addition to - IF" statement. I said " If you are feeling like an easy change, you can even run Cyanogenmod 10 directly off the SD card without rooting or modding the Nook itself one bit" Meaning, If you are into that its a great tablet to work with because it can run off the SD car without rooting. Sort of an easy modders device. Remove the SD card and boot back to stock and sell it or give it to grandma.

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/9/2013 6:24:36 PM , Rating: 2
Fair enough and totally understood. Like I always say, there are tradeoffs with everything. If this is a positive tradeoff then that's totally cool.

RE: Price Correction
By BRB29 on 5/6/2013 8:57:36 AM , Rating: 2
I suppose a shrunken version of an ipad2 for $299-329 is a good deal?

You can say Ipads are better because people prefer it more or you can say no company has a bigger marketing campaign than Apple for their products.

It's no surprise that when a company actually spends billions on marketing like apple, that they actually end up making comparable sales. Yea Samsung did.

RE: Price Correction
By retrospooty on 5/6/2013 9:50:20 AM , Rating: 2
Yup... The pendulum that has already turned in phones is now turning on tablets as well. The inevitable laws of manufacturing and production are coming to pass as always. If a proprietary system is neither significantly better or cheaper than an open system, the open system will always take over.

RE: Price Correction
By BRB29 on 5/6/2013 1:18:12 PM , Rating: 2
I think it is mostly

Apple quality declined
Other phones/tablets quality increased
Apple still price their products like it still hold the same gap in quality
Apple's IOS and apps have been having major problems one after another
Their marketing had recently put up some really dumb stuff.

I don't think that open or closed systems are better than each other. You choose less problems and less options vs more problems and more options. It's up to users to decide what they want.

The one thing I can attest to apple product is that it has great resale value and it doesn't seem to have the same slow down as my Android devices as it age. So longevity seems to be better. I have never had any problems selling my old iphone, ipod or ipad. Selling my Droid phones were vastly unsuccessful. Selling my Transformer was pretty disappointing too compared to what people were offering for my ipads.

RE: Price Correction
By TakinYourPoints on 5/7/2013 1:58:07 AM , Rating: 2
With the iPads its a mixed thing.

The 10" specs are fast and good but it comes at the expense of weight and thickness. The best version from an ergonomic standpoint has been the iPad 2, but in order to drive the GPU for the retina display it requires strapping a monster battery into it. It isn't as comfortable to hold. I actually wouldn't mind that the next iPad maintain previous gen performance (it still blows everything else away) while reducing size and weight with more efficient parts.

The Mini has the opposite problem, perfect feel in the hand but running a retina display right now would ruin it. Tech is in a place where the next version or the one after will have a much better balance between ergonomics and resolution/performance.

Right now either have to be compromised, and the Kindle e-reader is still the best feeling tablet. :)

As for utility, iOS still has the best tablet optimized library by a wide margin. Not upscaled phone apps, but actual high-end tablet applications. The difference in libraries is a moat that is at least as big as the difference between Windows and Linux for me, and it comes down to developers still making more money on iOS. If you're happy with more basic stuff then obviously this doesn't matter.

More money = more support, same thing that happens on consoles.

You're correct regarding resale value. Anything Apple I've owned, whether it is phones, laptops, or tablets, have held their resale value insanely well. I wish I could sell off my old PCs for as much.

RE: Price Correction
By epobirs on 5/10/2013 10:07:21 PM , Rating: 2
Good thing none of those complaints are true.

You can buy an SD card with the OS and base apps pre-installed from several companies. No fiddling or technical know-how required.

Having actually used the HD+ for a while now, both in stock mode and with CM10.1 booting from a 64GB microSDXC card, plus having used iPads a fair amount, your criticisms just don't hold water. Android has improved greatly in the last few iterations and quite a few apps have separate tablet versions or good internal optimization.

They just released Jelly Bean for my aging Galaxy SII a short while ago and it gave quite a boost to the overall quality of the phone. The hardware didn't change but Android did.

It also helps that hell will freeze over before I buy anything from Apple.

RE: Price Correction
By chadlowe1000 on 5/5/13, Rating: -1
RE: Price Correction
By MadMan007 on 5/5/2013 7:31:40 PM , Rating: 2
I have to ask...are you a stealth marketer? Your only posts on Dailytech are promoting no-name Chinese tablets with what reads like a marketing spiel.

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