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Leaked photos show the tablet in the wild

Considering its role as a pioneer of the smartphone, it's somewhat surprising that Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V) has never released what is considered by today's standards a true tablet.  The OEM did produce a Linux-powered so-called "internet tablet" (the Nokia 770) back in 2005, but at 4-inches that was more of a PDA by today's standards.

Back in 2012 Nokia was rumored to be preparing a tablet powered by Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFTWindows RT.  Rumored for a Q4 2012 launch, the tablet was reportedly going to feature an NVIDIA Corp. (NVDA) Tegra processor and was separately confirmed or hinted at by two different Nokia executives.  That design was rumored to be bumped to Q1 2013 as Nokia worked on a slick book-like battery-equipped keyboard cover for the device.

But Q1 2013 came and went with no Nokia tablet, and this July sources told The Verge that the device was cancelled in favor of a full Windows 8 tablet design.

Nokia Windows RT tablet
The alleged 10.1-inch Nokia Windows RT tablet [Image Source: Digi-wo.com]

Now it appears things have come full circle.

The latest leaked images from Chinese site Digiwo show a 10.1 inch cherry-red tablet branded with a Verizon Wireless (a joint venture between Vodafone Group Plc (LON:VOD), Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ)) logo, a 4G LTE symbol, and a "Windows RT" logo.

The Verge is reporting that its sources near Nokia reveal that the new design uses a Qualcomm, Inc. (QCOM) Snapdragon chip and will launch next month at an event in New York City.

Here's a quick list of what's rumored about the device:
  • Codename: Vanquish
  • Launch Date: Sept. 26 (tentative)
  • OS: Windows 8.1

The spec is reportedly on par with Microsoft's rumored upcoming Surface 2 RT.
  • 2.1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 quad-core
  • 10.1 inch screen (1920x1080 pixel "full HD")
  • Ports:
    • USB 3.0 
    • Micro-HDMI
  • Connectivity
    • 802.11 b/g/n
    • LTE
  • U.S. Carriers
    • AT&T, Inc. (T)
    • Verizon Wireless
Nokia's decision to go back to Windows RT is an interesting one.  Microsoft is still standing behind the embattled ARM-based Windows platform, as is Qualcomm.  But NVIDIA recently reversed its earlier showing of support, attacking Microsoft and Windows RT for allegedly hurting its earnings.

Most OEMs are fleeing from the platform.  ASUSTek Computer, Inc. (TPE:2357) recent cancelled its plans for a Windows RT tablet.  The Lenovo Group, Ltd. (HKG:0992) discontinued the Yoga 11 RT -- one of the few third party Windows RT devices that actually made it to market.  Microsoft has cut the price of RT licenses for OEMs, but that has done little to stop the platform's chilly reception.

Back in June 2012 Microsoft launched its own slick looking Windows RT hardware -- Surface RT.  The move was meant to prod tablet makers to up their game, but it alienated some OEMs.  And things went to bad from worse when the tablet missed sales expectations, which OEMs took as a sign that even with slick hardware Windows RT devices couldn't succeed in the market.

The OEM exodus has left the Windows RT space wide open.  On the other hand no Windows RT device -- not even Surface -- has produced enough volume to date to be a true force in the tablet market.  It should be interesting to see if Nokia's decision to step aboard the struggling platform pays off or is the latest fizzle for Windows on ARM.

Sources: Digi-Wo, The Verge, Microsoft News



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Nokia is probably the only OEM with any use for RT
By Mint on 8/16/2013 8:35:02 PM , Rating: 4
It has 80% of the WP market, many of whom are satisfied with it. Nokia can target them by promising to bring a similar experience upwards to the tablet form factor at a low cost. On top of that, the last thing they want to do at this point is have Android in their lineup.

All the other OEMs build x86 notebooks. If they're going to make Windows tablets, it makes no sense for them not to run x86, especially with Silvermont having no power penalty vs ARM SoCs.




By flyingpants1 on 8/16/2013 8:51:04 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. Also, RT should be 10" at $400, max. Nexus 10 price.


By w8gaming on 8/16/2013 10:01:39 PM , Rating: 2
RT is selling lower than $400 nowadays, no?


By Samus on 8/17/2013 1:56:57 AM , Rating: 4
Does RT run WP8 apps? If not, are the apps easily ported to RT by devs to be sold through the Store?

I've thought about picking up an RT device but considering legacy support is completely off the table, it must have some stuff like Google Maps, Netflix, Out Of Milk, eBay app/notifier, etc. All of this is available for WP8, but not necessarily Windows Store.


By Bubbacub on 8/17/2013 5:37:44 AM , Rating: 2
No it doesn't run wp apps. Apparently it's easy to port to winrt. Though according to ms, its easy to port anything to winrt when it patently isn't the case (look at the hassle the vlc guys have gone through in developing a winrt vlc app)


By inighthawki on 8/17/2013 6:46:47 AM , Rating: 2
In MS's defense - whether or not it's true - no company is going to go tell their customers that it's difficult to do so ;)


By jimbo2779 on 8/17/2013 12:05:53 PM , Rating: 2
It is incredibly easy to port WP apps to WinRT apps, in most cases would be to consider screen size difference and then recompile. Far easier than porting between any other platforms (except iPhone to iPad as I would assume it would be largely the same process).

I am not familiar with VLC guys struggling with porting to WinRT but would assume that is more to do with VLC usually having more low level access to hardware that is necessary to get the best frame rates or accessing particular codecs as opposed to the platform itself.

I was looking into getting into app dev (currently a windows software dev) and Metro is a doddle to develop for.

The major downside is the current chicken and egg scenario in that there are few users so it is hard to justify dev time to the platform. Even though there are actually quite a few aps for the platform nowadays the press attention MS is getting these days is needlessly negative, this can be seen from lots of reviewers on lots of sites.

I would imagine a tablet of this power would really show what WinRT is capable of, in the past they have all been very anaemic devices trying to sell at a premium compared to the iOS and Android competition. With all of the neg press about anything MS these days hardware makers such as Nokia and MS need to be realistic with their prices of these devices or they will never fully take off.


By melgross on 8/17/2013 12:20:26 PM , Rating: 2
Really, what's the point? ARM was never intended to compete with x86, processing wise. Even though it's catching up, by having a good 50% per year speedup vs about 15% for x86. And with Haswell being no faster than the previous generation, ARM should move closer. Perhaps in a few years, if the same ratio exists, we will see ARM competing with low end x86, but not in the near future.

But still, running Desktop software on an ARM device require emulation in the same way that doing Windows software on a PPC Mac used to. And that means slow—very slow. And rewriting software, other than for simple programs, isn't as easy as some think. It's not a simple compile away, assuming that there is a compiler that will directly do that.

If Microsoft allowed RT on x86, it would be different. But what would be the point to that? It would cost the same as Win 8 on x86, which already runs Desktop software, so that would make no sense at all.


By Alexvrb on 8/17/2013 11:01:04 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a fan of x86, but saying that ARM is behind... that really depends. If you're talking about chips in the 15W+ range, sure. But in the ultra mobile space, power and thermals are the limiting factors and x86 struggles to compete with ARM, not the other way around. If you compared the performance and power consumption of this upcoming Nokia tablet to a comparably priced Intel (Atom) tablet, it's no contest. On the very high end tablets (Surface Pro etc), Intel has the performance edge, but battery life suffers and cost skyrockets.

As for saying software in general is hard to port? Well that depends on the software - what languages, what tools, etc. A lot of software is designed to be fairly portable. In some cases it really is a recompile (especially Modern apps). Most (if not all) of the software available in the store on WinRT has been compiled for both ARM and x86, for example.

Now if you're talking about legacy software, well you've got no choice but to get x86 unless it's still actively worked on and they're porting it despite the difficulties. Personally I only need to run legacy apps on a laptop or desktop anyway. If you look at the direct competition to WinRT (Android and iOS), they don't run legacy x86 software either. So as long as it has the apps I need, it's not really a disadvantage for any of these platforms. I've got other devices for older x86-only stuff.


By andrewaggb on 8/17/2013 12:14:20 AM , Rating: 2
and drop that silly no desktop app nonsense double standard... let people compile some desktop apps for it. If I could run a few key desktop apps on it I'd pick it up in a second. Instead I'll probably wait for a haswell or new atom.


By inighthawki on 8/17/2013 3:50:30 AM , Rating: 1
Yes, and allow every malware app known to windows to be recompiled and run on it. Great from a security perspective.


By andrewaggb on 8/17/2013 12:19:02 PM , Rating: 2
sure that's a possibility if you allow unsigned code to run and give apps more permissions than they need etc. But they could allow desktop apps through their store, signed, with minimal permissions and other restrictions if necessary. There's certain apps that work better in desktop mode (eg office), disallowing them altogether severly limits the usefulness of a windows device. RT on tablet might not need it, but RT on a laptop could have been an interesting possibility but it needs desktop mode.


By InsGadget on 8/17/2013 5:53:01 PM , Rating: 2
That's true, MS should let some desktop apps (like Photoshop, etc) become available on the Windows Store, with each one confirmed for security purposes.


By domboy on 8/19/2013 11:41:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes, and allow every malware app known to windows to be recompiled and run on it. Great from a security perspective.


This is such a double-standard and it amazes me that people bring up when talking about unlocking the desktop on Windows RT. I don't see anyone suggesting Microsoft lock down the desktop on Windows 8 because it's such a huge security risk... why should Windows on ARM be treated differently? Even if Microsoft allowed unsigned desktop apps to run, the VAST majority of malware STILL wouldn't run due to being compiled for x86. And Windows RT includes Windows Defender so it's not like it's going to suddenly get viruses all over the place even if somebody did recompiled a virus.


By inighthawki on 8/19/2013 4:48:30 PM , Rating: 2
Because this is a new platform that doesn't yet have millions of infected devices. Locking down desktop systems could actually lock malware on the system. It is not a double standard, it is just a security move. You act like a virus cannot be recompiled with ease.


By retrospooty on 8/16/2013 10:26:56 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't mind seeing one of these higher end larger screen WP8 phones that are supposed to be coming out soon. Wp8 finally got interesting.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Did-we-see-the-Noki...


RE: Nokia is probably the only OEM with any use for RT
By Mint on 8/17/2013 11:32:41 AM , Rating: 2
I hope they put a stylus in there.

The ultimate mobile device I can think of is a Galaxy Note 2 with 1020 camera and a Silvermont processor running full Win8. Okay, that last part is a bit over the top, but how cool would it be?


By retrospooty on 8/17/2013 6:06:02 PM , Rating: 2
Here is a better link.

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-lumia-1080-may-aim-...

The Nokia Lumia 1080 is tipped to bring on the first market-ready build ready for Windows Phone 8.1, doing so with a 5.5-inch AMOLED display. This display is suggested to be coming with 1080 x 1920 pixel resolution as well as Nokia’s own ClearBlack technology for the inkiest set of blacks you’ll have ever aimed your eyes at.

Not bad... Definitely worth a close look.


Willing or forced?
By melgross on 8/17/2013 12:09:44 PM , Rating: 3
I wonder how Nokia really feels about this? They know by now that RT is failing, at least at this time. Is this some agreement they've made with Microsoft, or do they really think it has a chance?




RE: Willing or forced?
By drlumen on 8/17/2013 10:08:58 PM , Rating: 2
Nokia
A new tablet entry in an overcrowded market
Windows RT

Sounds like a bad joke to me.


RE: Willing or forced?
By nikon133 on 8/19/2013 12:52:17 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't be surprised if MS is paying WELL for this little number. As in, paying Nokia to produce it for them, and then paying some more for usage of Nokia brand on it...

... otherwise, doing RT Winblet today, instead of x86? Unless it really comes out extremely affordable, I can't see much point...


RE: Willing or forced?
By Wererat on 8/19/2013 10:53:20 AM , Rating: 2
I think this is the response to "RT is failing at this time" -- a higher rez and other specs, better build quality, and ... well, Win8.1 is October, but hopefully some of its attributes will be in RT by then.


Beating a dead horse....
By jnemesh on 8/19/2013 11:47:46 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft and Nokia continue to defy all logic and push platforms that no one wants to buy, for prices that are higher than the competition no less! NO ONE, save a few misguided fanboys, will buy this POS. There is very little software available for RT, even less QUALITY software, and if you REALLY want a tablet with a keyboard, you can buy a full Corei3 laptop WITH touchscreen for less than the price of a Microsoft Surface. If you dont need or want a keyboard, you can buy an Android tablet for less as well...WITH MORE AVAILABLE SOFTWARE! Why ANYONE would waste their money on this POS is beyond me.




RE: Beating a dead horse....
By StanO360 on 8/20/2013 6:17:30 PM , Rating: 2
Your "no one wants to buy" is silly. How many consumers even know what it is? Very few!

I got one (cheap $300 with type cover)and it's absolutely not a POS. It's very nice quality and there is a lot to like about it. Yes the apps are rough and sparse. That being said I can run Hulu and GrooveShark in the browser quite nicely. Java and Flash run nicely in the browser. Yes, it feels a little 1.0, but your rant is unwarranted.


um... no.
By Argon18 on 8/19/2013 4:34:38 PM , Rating: 2
The Windows 8 and Windows RT brand names are tainted. Bad consumer reception, bad reviews, the products have been removed from the shelves of most stores. It's a failed flop of a product; Microsoft just hasn't admitted it yet.

This new tablet screams of "too little too late". It's like spraying Febreeze on a turd.




RE: um... no.
By StanO360 on 8/20/2013 6:25:54 PM , Rating: 2
What consumer reviews? Everyone that I know that has them like it. Before I bought one (academic buy) I read consumer reviews and it was generally positive.

If you understand the app limitations going in, and that's not a huge deal to you, then it is worth looking at. It's more of a full windows experience than an iPad or Android (I have a Nexus 7 for reference).


By piroroadkill on 8/17/2013 1:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
.. for the Motorola Droid RAZR HD / RAZR MAXX HD.

Motorola Vanquish. They need to choose a new device codename!




windows phone dock
By redly on 8/19/2013 1:12:27 AM , Rating: 2
just give me a 8-9" screen to dock my windows phone into, and I will gladly give you my $100




RT will catch on.
By crispbp04 on 8/19/2013 8:47:21 AM , Rating: 2
Just give it time. 8.1 is a huge upgrade on my surface RT. My only complaint is hardware and this iteration will be significantly faster than Surface RT. I may trade in my surface pro for this Nokia tab.




$300 or bust
By tayb on 8/19/2013 10:51:09 AM , Rating: 2
If this tablet is a penny more than $300 it will be a bust just like the rest of the Surface line. I don't know how many iterations of phones and tablets it will take for Microsoft to realize they aren't competing with Apple they are competing with Google. How many more sales flops until they finally come to this realization and start targeting that market? They aren't taking iPhone and iPad sales... they just aren't.




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