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Could Nokia flip-flop to Android?

After the announcement of 10,000 global job cuts sent shares of Finnish phonemaker Nokia Oyj.'s (HEX:NOK1V) stock into a deeper tailspin, the executive ranks were rustled and a new chairman -- Risto Siilasmaa -- was installed.

Speaking with YLE.fi, a Finnish news site, the new chairman said that Symbian is, for all intents and purposes dead.  He comments, "Symbian’s market share has come down close to zero."

That makes it all the stranger that Nokia is launching one of its most high end handsets -- the PureView -- with the now effectively end-of-life Symbian Belle.

Nokia, which has seen modest success with its distinctive Lumia 900 LTE handset, is hopeful that Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) upcoming Windows Phone 8 wil further drive its receovery.  Mr. Siilasmaa says he expects the new OS to be a hit.  

But in a surprising comment, he also remarked that Nokia had a "contingency plan" should his company's Windows Phone offerings flop.  That admission comes despite partner Microsoft paying royally to prop up the embattled phonemaker.


Customizable tiles in Windows Phone 8
The big question is what that "contingency plan" is.  Seemingly the only possibility would be to jump onboard the Android ship.  But with Nokia's weak U.S. market penetration the big question is whether that option is even feasible.

Source: YLE



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Backup plan
By Belard on 7/2/2012 10:21:33 AM , Rating: 1
Use the open Source WebOS... since its the #2 sold tablet in the world.




RE: Backup plan
By iPablo on 7/2/2012 11:14:45 AM , Rating: 2
NOKIA'S BEST PLAN: WebOS all the way! I want someone (please!!!) to put WebOS on a new handset and give it a few updates. I really DO love my Pre2.
Before the Pre2? Nokia E71. Symbian S5v60 may have been ugly, but it had amazing functionality for 2008 at its debut. I would buy WebOS on Nokia in a HEARTBEAT!

RIM: dump the hardware and port BBMessenger to Android, iOS & Win o/s Sell unlimited messenger SERVICE for $15/mo. Good bye insane texting charges. Hello cash for RIM.


RE: Backup plan
By kleinma on 7/2/2012 11:42:48 AM , Rating: 4
Why would anyone want WebOS? It might have been a decent OS 2-3 years ago, but it is so far behind the current OS leaders that it has no hope of gaining any traction again ever. What features did WebOS have that were even considered good? I put Android on my $99 touchpad first chance I got.


RE: Backup plan
By zephyrprime on 7/2/2012 12:19:02 PM , Rating: 3
The one good feature that webos had was it's card multitasking. It's kinda overrated though in my opionion since I kept on accidentally activating it by swiping up on my touchpad. Swiping up is used to activate it but guess what? Swiping up is also used to scroll up on normal apps and pages. Doh! Bad planning.


RE: Backup plan
By MadMan007 on 7/2/2012 12:42:09 PM , Rating: 3
You're not doing it right.


RE: Backup plan
By retrospooty on 7/2/2012 3:10:51 PM , Rating: 2
"The one good feature that webos had was it's card multitasking. "

That was pretty much the only one, but it was the single best experience of any phone OS ever. The good thing is Android 4.1 is getting it partially anyhow, the flick to close and miinimize will be there. Now that ANdroid 4.1 is getting that, there is nothing that WebOS has to offer.


RE: Backup plan
By kleinma on 7/2/2012 5:43:47 PM , Rating: 2
you liked that feature? That feature sucked. If I had a few apps open, I had to scroll through all of them to move around. It might have been ok when you had 2-3 apps open, but I would get into situations of having 6-7 windows open, and then having to scroll through all of them just to get to the one i wanted. Hardly intuitive. A grid of running windows coming up sized according to how many it had to show, eventually showing scroll bars if too many apps were open, and letting me click on which one I wanted to bring to focus would have been a much, much better way to do that type of thing.


RE: Backup plan
By retrospooty on 7/2/2012 6:13:35 PM , Rating: 2
Are you kidding? It was widely seena dn the best mobile phone UI ever. It was actually designed by the same guy that designed the original iPhone UI. Palm hired him away from Apple after the iPhone was released. This is his UI 2.0.

Also, press and hold and you can shrink to view all, or even stack the windows (like a hand of poker). WAY better than anything IOS, Android or windows has to offer even to this day.


RE: Backup plan
By piroroadkill on 7/3/2012 4:25:27 AM , Rating: 2
What? I've never accidentally opened the cards by swiping up when scrolling. You really have to get right to the bottom of the screen.

I like WebOS, but it needs way more love before it's ready for prime-time again - some aspects feel incredibly sluggish, even on my touchpad which has a dual core snapdragon overclocked to 1.7GHz..


RE: Backup plan
By nikon133 on 7/2/2012 7:11:50 PM , Rating: 2
I was wondering that as well. I happen to have HP WebOS tablet in my home (a promo we got from our HP dealer), but it is hardly being touched, especially after my Asus Transformer received stable ICS.

Outside of slow apps start-up (and poor selection of apps), it is OK for web browsing and quick email/Facebook check, but really hasn't got upper hand on anything Android tablet is doing.

Plus... I don't expect to see anyone achieving (and hopefully bettering) whole Apple's ecosystem integration, except for Microsoft.


RE: Backup plan
By Belard on 7/2/2012 3:49:23 PM , Rating: 2
I was JOKING!

WebOS is opensource... there really isn't much of anything preventing you from installing it on a typical Android tablet.


RE: Backup plan
By TakinYourPoints on 7/2/2012 4:47:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
its the #2 sold tablet in the world


Only because HP pretty much gave them away. It isn't because the market was clamoring for WebOS tablets at their proper price.


RE: Backup plan
By Belard on 7/2/2012 4:59:43 PM , Rating: 1
Guess you didn't notice the joke part...


Good for them:
By Manch on 7/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: Good for them:
By kleinma on 7/2/2012 9:59:27 AM , Rating: 5
The backup plan is to let MS buy them.


RE: Good for them:
By Manch on 7/2/2012 10:11:59 AM , Rating: 5
Ha! I think that's RIM's plan too!

That would be awesome for me. A BB keyboard on WP8! I hate touch screen typing!


RE: Good for them:
By kleinma on 7/2/2012 10:25:49 AM , Rating: 2
I think RIMs plan is to bend over and take it from anyone who is willing to give it. With the cash MS has already poured into Nokia, they might actually be able to buy them using already designated funds as their down payment. Buying RIM would probably be a bad choice since the company is a mess. So is Nokia, but at least they have already gotten the jump on windows phone and put out a product. I could see some patents from RIM being bought by MS and encorporated into Nokia handsets if that scenario were to play out.

Serisouly though I have no idea what Nokia could consider as a contigency plan except for android. There is not anything else on the market that would stand a chance right now outside of the iOS, Android, and Windows Phone. Android is horribly saturated though and it would be hard to dent market leader Samsung there, and now with Motorola being google, that is probably going to get even more difficult of a market to shine in. Then of course there was the head of smart phones at Nokia who said using android is like peeing in your snowsuit to stay warm. You can some immediate relief, but then it is all miserable from there, and you are in a worse place than when you started.


RE: Good for them:
By zephyrprime on 7/2/2012 12:16:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, Rim is one of the earliest smartphone makers so they could have a lot of valuable patents.


RE: Good for them:
By sigmatau on 7/2/2012 1:08:13 PM , Rating: 2
Have you used a Windows Phone with a touch keyboard? I think it's infinitely better than a BB with a small horrible physical keyboard. You can switch to landscape and have a larger keyboard than any physical one from BB.

Android keyboards are not even close. iOS is close.


RE: Good for them:
By Manch on 7/2/2012 4:50:05 PM , Rating: 2
I have a nokia lumia 800 and for a touch screen kb its not bad. Better than most, but slight handicap w/my hand; loss of fine motor control and twitches makes it hard to use.


RE: Good for them:
By Netscorer on 7/2/2012 1:54:51 PM , Rating: 2
I would not be so sure to predict that Windows 8 will be successful for Nokia and for Microsoft in general. After all the marketing campaign and loads of money poured in by Microsoft in Windows 7 Mobile, they were unable to make even a dent in Google/Apple dominance. The market share actually went slightly down as people were replacing their previous innumerous MS handsets with brand new Androids and iPhones. Windows 8 RT will be just a small evolutionary step and not a laptop replacement. We are talking years until full-blown Windows 8 will be available on a handheld devices that compete in cost, size, performance and battery life with other mobile OS.
We also tend to forget that people buy not necessary an OS but an ecosystem, provided by Apple and Google respectively around their OS. I don't see Microsoft successfully competing with these heavyweights in providing complete customer experience, be it location-based services, entertainment or other niches of mobile micro-culture.
Call me a sceptic, but I will not give MS any benefit of the doubt until they prove they can penetrate this market. They are capable, obviously with huge cash stockpiles and they have previous examples of similar success in Gaming consoles with Xbox 360, but this time they are not competing with dimwitted Sony but with two of the most successful companies of the current generation in Google and Apple (and I don't even mention other heavyweights in Amazon and Samsung) who would, no doubt like to have their own stories to write.


RE: Good for them:
By arazok on 7/2/2012 4:02:08 PM , Rating: 1
That’s because Win 7 phones stink. I'm not sure you can say the same about Win 8 phones. I'm thinking these will be my next phone once my BB is up for replacement.

And MS in many ways has the best eco-system of them all. They obviously have Windows. A new XBox due out next year. Home servers (which I think they are dropping the ball on), tablets, and great media centers. I use them all, and it's a great experience. I can watch any movie or view photos in any room of my house.

And next year, I'll be able to pull out my Slate OR Win8 phone, and go over photos with my family on the couch, or watch home videos. Or fire up the Xbox 720 and surf the internet on my TV while using use the Win 8 phone to navigate and scroll pages.

Nobody else has that.

Microsoft just needs an i-Tunes to make it easy for the average joe to pay their hard earned money for content they could get for free if they knew better. ;)


Nokia needs to woory about hardware first
By bull2760 on 7/2/2012 12:53:06 PM , Rating: 1
Let me just say this, as a x-Lumia 900 user Nokia needs to concentrate on quality hardware before worrying about Windows OS on their phones. In 5 months I went through 4 Lumia 900's because of hardware issues, that's right count them 4. I will never buy a Nokia brand phone again, as far as I'm concerned Nocrapia is dead to the world. First phone had the data issue, so took it back to get a new one (The replacement didn't have the patch I had to install it myself.) Second phone the speaker phone died. Third phone was related to severe lag when using the keyboard, where when typing it would take several seconds for the touched key to display the letter typed. The 4th phone arrived DOA. That is when I said enough is enough and went back to an iPhone. Not only is Nokia hurting themselves, but they are dragging Microsoft down with them. I loved the interface of the Windows Phone 7 OS, just could stand all the issues with the hardware. In the end I hope Microsoft abandons Nokia and partners with someone more capable of building a quality phone.




By Wolfpup on 7/2/2012 1:28:13 PM , Rating: 2
Nokia used to be rock solid-best there was. I wonder if that's changed?

I do like Windows Phone 7 pretty well, and the changes Windows Phone 8 brings sound awesome...and like they should have launched 3 years ago, but still...pretty cool, save for how they're not supporting it on current hardware!


By Belard on 7/2/2012 3:58:26 PM , Rating: 1
I like the WP7 interface on phones myself (Windows8 metro on desktops computers still sucks the big one).

But there were other options. go to youtube and check out "launcher 7" - I use this on my 2 year old Android. Its the WP7 interface for Android. I love it. And it does a few tricks MS-WP78 doesn't BUT SHOULD:
1 - Custom color per tile (if wanted). So my PHONE tile is green, while my basic tiles are red or blue or whatever. Sticks out big time.

2 - Tile Rotation. Yep, looks VERY COOL... makes no sense that MS didn't do this.

So it looks like the HTC ONE X will be my next phone and on day 1, I'm going to put launcher 7 on it. Also, the ALL APPS page is editable... so I can HIDE the at&t crap or any thing else that I don't use or can't un-install.

I looked at iPhones again... I'm happy with my ipad... but iPhones glass back and high-theft rates AND non-customized UI has me stay with Android.

PS: Sorry to hear about the Lumia problem. Samsung has their issues too. I was looking to get a Lumia, but I prefer the size of the 800, which isn't carried by at&t or anyone (stupid of them). Maybe people DON'T want a phone that is huge.


RE: Nokia needs to woory about hardware first
By UNHchabo on 7/2/2012 4:59:12 PM , Rating: 4
The Lumia 900 wasn't released publicly until April, but you said you had it for 5 months... did you have pre-release version of the phone?


By Manch on 7/2/2012 6:14:51 PM , Rating: 2
replace 2760 with $h!t and you have your answer


Nokia with iOS?
By don.ioni on 7/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: Nokia with iOS?
By don.ioni on 7/2/2012 10:57:29 AM , Rating: 2
the new iOS 6.0, as I understand, is capable of displaying current apps on a bigger screen (be it 3.999")... but in theory it should be easier to do it to a smaller display too (Nokia phones?) experience would be cripled somehow, but Nokia could keep the aspect ratios of the screens and just go smaller or bigger...


RE: Nokia with iOS?
By GotThumbs on 7/2/2012 11:10:49 AM , Rating: 5
The idea that Apple would allow IOS on any other hardware than theirs....is fantasy. Apple has already taken steps to prevent loading their OS on any hardware other than their laptops/desktops (Hackintosh). Apple will NEVER bend to this kind of opening of its controls...unless the DOJ or European communities step in...as with MS and IE years back.


They all have backup plans
By melgross on 7/2/2012 10:20:56 AM , Rating: 2
It's called bankruptcy.




By geddarkstorm on 7/2/2012 11:27:38 AM , Rating: 2
Or they will partner with Google's secret X lab facility, and take over the world with cats. Gotta dream big when you're that deep in the hole, right?


ms kinda killed nokia anyway
By mmarianbv on 7/2/2012 2:14:25 PM , Rating: 2
ms announced that windows 8 will not work on the current phones, current generation (including top of the line lumia 900) will get only 7.8
after that declaration, whats the point to buy now a wp ? all dev will move to win 8 applications, marketplace for 7.8 will be largely unsupported.
kinda a bad move unless microsoft intend to buy nokia.




RE: ms kinda killed nokia anyway
By Belard on 7/2/2012 4:00:41 PM , Rating: 2
WP7 still uses WindowsCE OS for its kernel.

WP8 uses Windows NT as its kernel! YEP! So the OS needs more horse power and higher costs to run. (not so smart).

WART devices are also NT of course. Oops, MS screwed their partners so most likely on the MS tablet will be the only WART device that is not a phone.


If WP8 doesn't work....
By Milliamp on 7/2/2012 9:55:52 PM , Rating: 2
They can always deploy BB10 :)




Of course they have
By Penti on 7/3/2012 2:52:23 PM , Rating: 2
Yes of course they have they still have thousands of engineers and consultants working on Symbian, Qt and MeeGo / Maemo and a contingency would obviously be a MeeGo derived Meltemi that is rumored to be canceled. Not some god damn Android for flying spaghetti monsters sake. That market is even more congested and they would obviously need something that isn't so focused on a certain North American market if they don't wish to rely on a diminishing Nokia Series 40 (Asha) market. Like they try to do now. Simply being discriminated by Google instead is not a choice. They would never be able to compete against Samsung and would still have to effectively close down the firm.

Symbian still sells more then Windows Phone ever will and Elop is simply lying because he can't face reality when it goes against all he has done, he simply don't recognize that Symbian and MeeGo exists, simply read the quarterly reports to find that out. Obviously killing Symbian phones before they reach market as well as trying to artificially kill Symbian (which still gets major updates) is what is killing Nokia.

Hell it's roughly two years after the announcement and Elops hiring before their awesome Windows Phone platform get a NDK. Right now stuff like Spotify barely works, Skype although owned by Microsoft doesn't work and won't run in background until at least 7.8. They can't live on promises and a platform that is worse then Nokia had several years before Elop for two damn years. Promises don't live that long, plus it's still to tied to Qualcomm platforms where they effectively can't change a thing. Plus nobody would use Metro on the PC, most are wise enough to skip producing ARM-tablets (for which they have more incite into the state of the software then others). There are no coherent interface or recognizable environment to have, there are still huge differences between the old Windows SDK and the new Windows Runtime for Metro apps. They don't automatically get developers and large programs aren't even ported when it comes to Microsoft themselves.

Now Nokia has also given Bing maps it's navigation know how, the maps looks the same and have the same source (a Nokia owned company provides them), Bing gets turn by turn and maps that looks the same and uses the same look and colors to describe information and is built on the same information. Nokia drive and Nokia Maps doesn't have an advantage anymore when Windows Phone 8 comes out. Nokia essentially gave their technology to Microsoft and Huawei, HTC and Samsung here, they essentially gave everything of value for a few billions. As well as try to shut down the only competition from Europe. All other smart-phone software comes from North America (US, Canada). Yet they haven't release any good device yet. Microsoft hasn't delivered a platform that actually does what they promised and they haven't released their ready made hardware platform and being tied to all that with out being able to do any development themselves is why they look terribly stuck in the past now and why they release flag ship phones with new hardware features on Symbian today. Despite them trying to deny it exists. Of course things fails when you talk down or try to pretend something isn't there when it is the things your the best at and the only things your good at but ignores them and doesn't highlight your accomplishments. 808 is certainly a good product a product I'm sure could have sold better then Lumia because it's just so much more powerful, it does have that camera people expect of high-end Nokias, it's far easier to develop for. Being stuck on some elses hardware makes it though to stick out. On Android of course this is one thing that causes problems upgrading, but the alternative is to sell very few devices here. Loosing control is loosing control.




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