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"You just watch yourself ... I have the death sentence on twelve systems"

Like CEO, like VP it seems.  Nokia Oyj.'s (HEX:NOK1V) executive vice president of sales and marketing, Chris Weber (formerly North American president) took to Twitter to jab at the world's largest phonemaker Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930).

He comments:


 

CEO Stephen Elop has blasted Android phonemakers multiple times via various outlets.

Such criticism is best taken with a grain of scrutiny, given that Nokia is far behind Android in sales and struggling financially.  Then again, no matter how bad Nokia's fiscal fortunes or how good Android's are, the prospect of a new Lumia is quite exciting, given Nokia's solid outing with the Lumia 900.

Nokia is rumored to be looking to launch its new handset on Verizon Wireless -- Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc. (LON:VOD) -- America's largest LTE network.

Source: Nokia's Chris Weber [Twitter]



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Specs aren't everything.
By EnzoFX on 8/16/2012 9:07:33 PM , Rating: 5
I just can't believe people on here get so caught up on specs. Sure it's a tech site for tech "junkies" but how can you be stupid enough to ignore the software side of things. The reason iOS is still great is because it's still very user friendly and simply UI. It also feels smooth. This too is what WP7 has going for it, and it too is rather user friendly. This is clearly something Android can work on, since every manufacturer piles on their own apps/launcher whatever. Android is a specs race, it has to be because it's not as smooth or clean as the others, but the others have merit on their own. iOS feels great with the dated hardware it has, as does WP7. Android still hiccups with even the One X and Galaxy S3.

This is the main reason holding me back from switching fully to Android, as far as phones go. Not to mentioned all the junk Samsung and HTC put on their phones, it reminds me of Vista bloatware. Why does it START you off with like 5 home screens and tons of widgets 99% of people will NEVER use. Let power users add their favorite junk on there, don't add it for everyone. Oh, and I can't stand how plastic-y Samsung makes their phones lol. That thing is all screen, because everything around it is bleh.




RE: Specs aren't everything.
By EnzoFX on 8/16/2012 9:19:12 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, and take the Galaxy Nexus, with Jelly Bean, it's a whole new phone. To deny that Android needs work in the smoothness department is to go against even what Google knows and is working on, hence Jelly Bean.


RE: Specs aren't everything.
By TakinYourPoints on 8/16/2012 10:54:56 PM , Rating: 2
Its because hardware specs matter to fandroids... until they don't, ie - "GPU performance and the retina display in the iPad don't really matter..."

And obviously your point on the OS still stands. Android apologists were in denial about sluggish performance until ICS and JB dropped, except that a good chunk is still brushing it aside because the majority of capable Android hardware isn't even getting it. Those go to the old "OS updates are overrated" argument. Hell, there's even a "security is overrated" post in here, amazing!


RE: Specs aren't everything.
By elleehswon on 8/17/2012 8:25:56 AM , Rating: 1
I find your blanket statement that an OS is "sluggish," without context to hardware specification, comical.

Thanks for the laugh. By the way, ICS runs smooth as glass on my Rezound.


RE: Specs aren't everything.
By Insurgence on 8/17/2012 12:42:42 PM , Rating: 2
My galaxy nexus runs pretty smoothly too, despite having a not have a good gpu.


RE: Specs aren't everything.
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/17/2012 3:35:15 PM , Rating: 2
My S3 is smooth as butter...


RE: Specs aren't everything.
By inaphasia on 8/17/2012 8:27:14 AM , Rating: 3
It's always refreshing to read level-headed opinions.

Only objection I've got, hardly anyone agrees with anyway... But here goes:

I hate the weight of the unibody, the iPhone and the iPad. There I said it. I love the way an Audi car-door closes as much as the next guy, but I'm never buying another metal mobile device if I can help it. Especially a phone. I never had a phone fly out of my hands (for 10 years) until I got a metal one. Now all of a sudden I'm Mr Butterfingers.


RE: Specs aren't everything.
By EnzoFX on 8/17/2012 2:29:32 PM , Rating: 2
That's actually a solid point. You do lose a good deal amount of grip. On our Macbook Air's, I put clear skins on them, for protection, but it gives them a huge amount of grip as well. On the iPhone 4/4S, I get complaints all the time that it's more slippery =P. That said, I can't stand Samsung's platic-y look. I do like what Nokia's doing. It may be plastic, but it doesn't look like it, it looks and feels a lot more... timeless? The glossy crap just looks like a fad, and it'll show more wear in a year than anything. I guess that's what they want though, for you to upgrade to the next galaxy in 6 months lol.


Bring it...
By Newspapercrane on 8/16/2012 3:35:12 PM , Rating: 2
The S3 is going to be tough to beat, this is what I love about Android... Competition. If you're going to beat another company, make a better phone than them... and a little trash talking never hurt anybody. :)




RE: Bring it...
By chµck on 8/16/2012 4:46:26 PM , Rating: 2
htc has faster processor and iphone has faster graphics. nokia has beter optics


RE: Bring it...
By jimbojimbo on 8/16/2012 5:25:05 PM , Rating: 2
The SIII internationally has the Exynos 4412 quad which blows away what's in the latest HTC and in the US they have the same exact CPU.


Take "note"
By Digobick on 8/16/2012 3:37:50 PM , Rating: 2
I see what they did there. Hinting at a large screen Windows Phone perhaps?




WP7.5 is faster
By iceman2910 on 8/16/2012 6:47:35 PM , Rating: 2
I have a 4s, an s3 and a lumia 710...
and I have to say that the lumia has the better and smoother interface by far... it freezes sometimes but not as much and as often as the quadcore s3 and even the iphone 4s.. tired of the same old icons and actually getting to like the tiles on wp7 and I actually even like the windows 8 on my laptop.




What's the Big Deal?
By Kyuu on 8/17/2012 1:36:42 AM , Rating: 2
It's a little trash talking on Twitter from a marketing guy. What's the big deal? Got some articles written about it on tech blogs, which was probably the intention: free advertising.

Only problem I have is if it's true that Nokia is only going to be releasing the new Lumia on Verizon. I'd love to dump my iPhone 4 for a new Lumia with WP8, but no way in hell am I switching carriers to Verizon.




By danjw1 on 8/16/2012 7:53:49 PM , Rating: 1
Sure, let the patent trolls support them. The rest of us have better things to do with our money that waste it on a phone from a dying company who is supporting patent trolls. There is nothing Nokia is going to do that makes it worth buying their products!




Pathetic
By Reclaimer77 on 8/16/12, Rating: -1
RE: Pathetic
By Flunk on 8/16/2012 4:16:19 PM , Rating: 3
RIM is being run into the group by a group of people that refuse to change. They're waiting for a new version of an OS that no one really cares about any more. Nokia already dumped their legacy OS and is now moving forward with a new direction. Whether this works or not it's certainly a lot more than RIM is trying.

I still say RIM needs to switch to Android, even Windows Phone would be better.


RE: Pathetic
By geddarkstorm on 8/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: Pathetic
By Helbore on 8/16/2012 4:54:13 PM , Rating: 5
Are they? I thought they said the new kernel could support up to 64 cores.

Either way, I don't see the big deal, personally. I have an HTC One X as my personal phone and a Nokia Lumia 800 as my work phone. It shocks me how much smoother the Lumia is than the One X. Actually, I can't believe that the interface still stutters on the One X with its quad core processor.

After this, I don't really care what processor my phone has in it. I'm only interested in which performs better in the real world. Right now, WP7 is better. I say that as someone who's had (and loved) 4 android phones since the HTC Hero.


RE: Pathetic
By Reclaimer77 on 8/16/12, Rating: -1
RE: Pathetic
By jimbojimbo on 8/16/2012 5:22:14 PM , Rating: 2
That's funny that you have the least secure of your two phones connected to work. We won't allow any Windows 7 phone to hold corporate material since it lacks encryption of any type.


RE: Pathetic
By Gungel on 8/16/2012 5:49:13 PM , Rating: 2
However, Android has over 15,000 identified malware while WP7 has basically 0.
Just search for android-malware-rises-threefold-in-second-quarter.< br />
WP8 will offer encryption, secure boot, a company hub and new way to privately load apps. It looks like WP8 is the new star for corporate environments.


RE: Pathetic
By Reclaimer77 on 8/16/12, Rating: -1
RE: Pathetic
By elleehswon on 8/17/2012 8:33:59 AM , Rating: 2
most of the android malware comes from .apk's on the aptoide repos. Also, if and once people start using wp7 phones, malware will be developed for it. Apple is in that exact boat with OSX now. Now that it has more market share, albeit still small, it's become profitable to write malware for OSX.


RE: Pathetic
By Insurgence on 8/17/2012 1:22:13 PM , Rating: 2
It also does not help that nowadays a lot of malware is being programed for the applications and not the OS. Sure to some extent it has to exploit the OS, but there are a lot of applications providing that gateway, and it is being used.


RE: Pathetic
By Helbore on 8/17/2012 7:54:15 AM , Rating: 2
Why is it funny? It all depends on the sort of material that goes on to your phone. As my phone doesn't contain sensitive material of any kind, encryption isn't needed.

Not all companies have the same needs or requirements.


RE: Pathetic
By geddarkstorm on 8/17/2012 11:58:28 AM , Rating: 2
It can, but it will be limited to dual core initially. So, the first release of WP8 will be stuck at two for some unknown reason. Check back through the daily tech's previous articles on the matter for the big discussion we had on it here.

The point I'm making is can the initial WP8 handsets match the Galaxy S III? No, they probably can't because of the artificial limits imposed on them by Microsoft.

The interface issue has to do with rendering in the software, not hardware. If anyone bothered to look at bench marks that measure actual performance for say the Lumia 900 (check Anandtech), you'll see it's mid to bottom of the charts in almost every single metric. It's no competition for Android handsets, it -simply has- a better GUI graphics renderer to give the feeling of smoothness on the interface end. A smart move, as it fools people into thinking the handsets are better than they are in that regard.


RE: Pathetic
By Helbore on 8/17/2012 12:26:55 PM , Rating: 3
To be honest, I gave up caring about metrics and benchmarks a very long time ago. They're great for tech-heads to argue over who has the best, but real-world performance is all I actually care about.

Too many times do I read hardware reviews that have a synthetic benchmark showing the superior performance of a new gadget, only to follow it up with a statement that the improvements are barely noticeable in actual usage.

Who really cares if its a faster processor or a better renderer that provides the better performance? I don't.

As I said before, I'm not a fanboy for either side. I've had Windows Mobiles, android phones and now, one Windows Phone. I considered an iPhone when they first came out because I thought it looked great (but didn't get one because it lacked critical features that I needed), so I'm not anti-Apple, either. I simply go on my own personal experience with the devices and my experience to date puts my single core Lumia as providing a better overall performance than my quad core One X (and I still love my One X. It's screen and camera are better than the Lumia's)

I mean, heck, most people don't even use more than a dual core on their desktop PCs. Will Windows Phones really be crippled by not having more than 2 cores available? I doubt it.


RE: Pathetic
By daveinternets on 8/16/2012 5:05:20 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Considering windows phones are stuck in dual core land for the foreseeable future... it won't.


You actually have zero idea what you are talking about.

Your comment is bad, and you should feel bad.


RE: Pathetic
By geddarkstorm on 8/17/2012 11:54:49 AM , Rating: 2
Ah, people have such short memories.

From http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/20/3096667/windows-...

quote:
Although Microsoft isn't discussing hardware specifics and device announcements, the company is confirming there will be dual-core handsets initially.


WP8 can do more than dual core, but it will be limited to only dual core for awhile after its initial release, for unknown reasons. We had a huge discussion about this in a previous Daily Tech article on the matter. There will be some sort of update or something down the road to unlock WP8's multi-core (beyond two) functionality.


RE: Pathetic
By Helbore on 8/17/2012 12:32:13 PM , Rating: 2
That article doesn't say it will be limited to dual core for the foreseeable future, though. All it says is that they confirmed there will be dual core phones in the first run of handsets. That may mean nothing more than this;

Journalist: "Can you confirm if there will be dual-core phones launching with WP8?"

MS representative: "yes, there will."

It doesn't mean there won't be quad core phones at or soon after launch.


RE: Pathetic
By ApfDaMan on 8/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: Pathetic
By bupkus on 8/17/2012 12:31:58 AM , Rating: 2
I guess you sound cool and edgy hating on an old guy. How old was Steve Jobs?


RE: Pathetic
By Arsynic on 8/17/2012 10:37:18 AM , Rating: 2
How expected. Re-lamer graces us again with another anti-Windows post.

You need some new material, my friend.


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