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Nokia also unveils pair of low-end Asha phones for ~$40 and ~$60 running Symbians builds

As anticipated, Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) inheritance got a little bit more complex early this morning, with Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V) unveiling a series of budget devices based on a forked version of Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android operating system.  The devices -- the Nokia X, XR, and X+ -- imitate the look of the Windows Phone, while using a mix of Nokia, Microsoft, and third-party software.
 
I. Mean the Window Ph... Er "Androids"
 
The budget devices are priced at €89, €99, and €109 respectively (roughly $120, $135, and $150 USD before taxes and subsidies).  The X is the base model, while the XR adds more memory and the X+ adds a bigger screen.
 
Developed under the codename "Normandy", these modified Android smartphones answer a key dilemma of how to insert Windows Phone into low-end devices.  Much of Nokia's sales in developing markets such as China, Indonesia, India, and Brazil are still feature phones.
Nokia X screens

Previously, devices at this price point were branded under the Asha lineup and exclusively used S40 (Series40), a derivative of the Symbian operating system.  Asha isn't going anywhere; Nokia is looking to supplement it with and Android "cross-over point", Nokia X.  Nokia X will serve as a set of training wheels accustoming buyers on the cusp of mid-tier Windows Phone offerings to get accustomed to the look of and some of the services of the platform via an Android clone.



(The music is Mobscene's remix of 501's "And it Begins", for those curious.)



Former Nokia Chief Executive Stephen Elop -- who is currently Nokia's Executive Vice President, Devices & Services while it awaits completing a $7.2B USD acquisition by Microsoft -- comments:

Lumia continues to be our primary smartphone strategy.  Lumia is where we will continue to introduce the greatest innovation.

[However] we see the X family being complementary to (Windows Phone) Lumia at lower price points.  Even as you see Lumia push lower and lower, you will see us push lower with Nokia X below that.

There's quite a lot of vendors ... who made the Android decision but couldn't differentiate.  We wanted to build with Microsoft a third ecosystem, and that's what we are doing while others fall by the wayside.

The new smartphones come in six of Nokia's iconic colorful body designs.

Nokia X back

Nokia Product Marketing Vice President Jussi Nevanlinna said the new approach will allow Nokia to bring popular apps to its budget lineup with greater ease, commenting to Reuters:

Our fans oftentimes tell us 'We love your hardware, we love your products, but we also love our Android apps'.  Can you make something happen so the Android apps magically run here?

Roughly 75 percent of Android apps will run without trouble and can simply be resubmitted as is to the new Nokia-branded Android app store.  As for the 25 percent that don't, most are currently tied to Google's proprietary APIs -- such as location-services, multi-player gaming services, or internet browsing.  Nokia is also working to provide API support to allow easy porting of these apps.

Nokia X in hand

Given the pending acquisition, Microsoft presumably is onboard with the plan, which would mean that when it acquires the Nokia Devices unit it would find itself in the odd position of selling Android smartphones.
 
II. Series 30, 40 Symbian OS Still Alive on the Ultra-Budget End
 
Microsoft's lineup will also continue to consist of Nokia Symbian devices on the low end.  Alongside the new Android-based Nokia smartphones, the company also announced a pair of Symbian handsets.  The lower end Nokia 220 runs S30 and priced at €29 (~$40 USD) before taxes and subsidies. 

Nokia Asha 220






The slightly fancier Nokia 230 runs S40 and will be priced €45 (~$60 USD).

Nokia Asha 230





Both the Nokia 220 and 230 use compressed browser technology similar to the technology pioneered by Norway's Opera Software ASA (STO:OPERAO).  There's a bit of Microsoft touch via the integrated Bing search.  Twitter Inc. (TWTR) and Facebook Inc. (FB) apps are preloaded onto each budget device.
 
As for Nokia, it gains a source of revenue via the HERE location service (which Microsoft pays Nokia for) and app store (which is free, but which revenue shares between app developers and Nokia).  Nokia has promised not to build a new phone unit to compete with Microsoft.  However, revenue from services on the Nokia X and similar devices -- along from the $5-10 USD in patent licensing fees it pockets for nearly every Android device sold -- could give Nokia a cash pile to reenter the market as a competitor to Microsoft in 2016.
 
If Nokia launches a pure Android lineup in 2016, it could be a dangerous foe to current Android device makers.  As Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KRX:005935) (KRX:005930) and other smartphone makers are encumbered by an estimated $15-30 USD in patent licensing fees per device, Nokia's devices could quickly match such experienced rivals in profit margins.  Nokia owns long-term licensing pacts with Samsung and Apple, Inc. (AAPL) (who make regular payments to Nokia for the patents) -- plus a long-term licensing deal with Microsoft which is thought to be royalty free.

Sources: Nokia [1], [2], [3], Reuters



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Sailing against a typhoon.
By drycrust3 on 2/24/2014 10:41:31 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Roughly 75 percent of Android apps will run without trouble and can simply be resubmitted as is to the new Nokia-branded Android app store.

This is the most stupid phone on the market! Why not use a full blown Android that runs 100% of the apps? There are so many things wrong with this that I cannot see heads not rolling once Microsoft take over Nokia because of this phone. If Nokia had gone Android instead of Windows Phone when Elop took over, then no one care now about this, but Nokia chose Windows Phone (which wasn't ready for the market then), and that is the path they should be going down.
To say they need to do this to sell cheaper phones is nonsense: Microsoft set the price of the licence, so all Nokia need to do is ask for a cheap price licence and they'd get one.
If, several years ago, Nokia had wanted, they could have joined the Open Hand Set Alliance, which govern the operational standards of Android, and Microsoft would love to be at the table helping set those, but they can't now because Nokia are selling a fork of Android, which is in violation of the terms of the OHSA.
This phone looks like it is meant to upset Microsoft and Google.




RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By dani31 on 2/24/2014 10:51:40 AM , Rating: 5
You have no ideea what you're talking about.

If Microsoft would have gone with your so called "full blown" Android, it would have needed to support Gmail, Google Maps, Google+, all Google's advertising and location services. Microsoft could never ever do that, because they have competing products.

Microsoft is actually using a full blown Android, just without Google's services. The only apps that will not work properly are the ones that depend on Google API's (such as an app trying to show a location on Google Maps).

AOSP is free and open source, and any one can use it and fork it, without violating anythins.
OHSA on the other hand is about being locked into Google's services. Nothing free and open there.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Da W on 2/24/2014 11:11:24 AM , Rating: 2
And why would you be happy about that? You own google?


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By StevoLincolnite on 2/24/2014 6:36:06 PM , Rating: 2
To be fair, Microsoft does earn allot of money from Android licensing, so whether Android or Windows Phone is pushed they still win.

Although I do wish they would only push Windows Phone (Which in some countries is seeing some stupidly phenomenal growth) expanding choice for the consumer is never a bad thing.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/2014 6:41:43 PM , Rating: 1
They aren't really offering users choice because they're stripping everything out of Android that differentiates it from Windows Phone.

They could even lock down the settings so you can't customize it as much, or use features that Windows Phone doesn't have.

The average person isn't a programmer. When they think "Android" they think Google Search, Google Now, and the Play Store. Without those things, it might as well be Windows Phone or iOS.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By ritualm on 2/24/2014 8:24:44 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
When they think "Android" they think Google Search, Google Now, and the Play Store. Without those things, it might as well be Windows Phone or iOS.

Tell that to China. Their phones run Android - they just aren't allowed to have any Google services courtesy of the Chinese government. What name do they call their OS'es? Android!

Reclaimer77: This is madness!
Everyone else: Madness... THIS! IS! ANDROID!


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Labotomizer on 2/24/2014 11:47:59 AM , Rating: 3
I disagree, I see a hint of genius here. First, the interface looks a lot like a Windows Phone. Second, it runs Android apps. And third it uses Microsoft's services. Basically it gives someone who hasn't used a smartphone access to a large app store while getting them transitioned to MS services. In the event they want a "good" phone the next step would naturally be Lumia and not a Galaxy.

Granted this could backfire tremendously. If you rooted this you could install the Google APIs and apps if you wanted. But I don't see this as a failure on Windows Phone part or an admission of such. In fact the early impressions are that it doesn't even run as well as the bottom of the barrel Windows Phones and they're priced the same.

Also, anyone else notice that it sure seems to like the color green and has an X in it. Perhaps this is to hint at Xbox without actually using the branding. This could be good moving forward. It's not a phone to replace your Android or Windows Phone. This is for the billion users out there that will be moving to smartphones in the next few years.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By dashrendar on 2/24/2014 12:31:26 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you.

This is using Android as a weapon against Google.

The OS is meaningless on a smartphone. What matters are the apps and the ecosystem. Ask yourself? Do you really care that much about the OS if it didn't have the apps you needed and supported your daily activities such as e-mail, maps, navigation, contacts, etc.?

With this device, Microsoft wants people to use the Microsoft ecosystem while having access to all the gazillion apps available on Android. This is until the Windows Marketplace matures and gets all the worthwhile and popular apps, and then the user can switch to a higher end Windows Phone.

That's what I think.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Argon18 on 2/24/2014 5:49:44 PM , Rating: 1
"The OS is meaningless on a smartphone. What matters are the apps and the ecosystem."

Lol, what? The apps and ecosystem are defined by the OS. If your phone runs iOS, you are locked into Apple's ecosystem. If your phone runs Microsoft OS, you are locked into Microsoft's ecosystem.

Android locks you in to certain google services, but at least it isn't a closed proprietary OS like the offerings from Apple and Microsoft are.

So how exactly does a stripped-down Android phone get people into the Microsoft ecosystem? Hint: it doesn't.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Mint on 2/24/2014 2:06:07 PM , Rating: 2
It's almost like a trojan into developer mindshare.

Nokia has great market share in India and Africa with their Asha line, and they're parlaying that into an opportunity for Android devs with only a few man-hours of work. What's more is that it allows pricing differentiation for this low-income market. Every business always laments lost margins from existing customers when it lowers prices to expand sales volume.

Suddenly this strategy makes a bit of sense. I wonder if they're going to find a way to virtually automate the porting of Windows Phone apps, too? They can add whatever they want to the Android OS to make it work.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By atechfan on 2/24/2014 12:31:13 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't actually think this would get released. I assumed it was a Plan B for Nokia if MS didn't buy them. Of course, Nokia isn't owned by MS yet, so the future of these devices is uncertain. Even more reason to not buy one.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By nikon133 on 2/24/2014 3:26:28 PM , Rating: 4
I'm not following you.

Should Apple drop iTunes from Windoes desktop? Isn't that equally pathetic?

Should Google drop their services from iOS, OSX and Windows? Isn't that equally pathetic?

If you think they should, I would agree that Microsoft should drop their services from competing platforms.

But. Apple is where they are because they did have iTunes on Windows, thus making iPod/iPhone accessible to population much larger than Mac users.

And Google's initial success was related to availability of their services on Widows desktop. Without that, they would be, what? OSX/Linux exclusive?

So now, Android being Windows of mobile world - why is it strange that MS wants Android users to be exposed to Outlook.com, Bing, Here and other MS/Nokia services?

I think your bias is really crazy inflated.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By ritualm on 2/24/2014 5:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Anyone with any sense thinks this is a garbage product. Windows Phone users want a Windows Phone, Android users want a real Android phone....uhhh idiots that don't know any better I guess, might buy this one?

You are not the target market audience these phones are aiming for. Full. Stop.

Stop talking nonsense.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By atechfan on 2/24/2014 8:29:48 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not really sure what the target market is either, and I'm a MS guy. Nokia already has Windows Phone models that are cheaper than these offerings, so it isn't the emerging market that benefits. The only people I see buying these are the small subset of people that like Android but hate Google. Once they've sold those couple dozen, then what?

Nokia has the 520 for budget smartphone buyers, then they have Symbian on Asha phones if they need to go cheaper.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/2014 8:31:37 PM , Rating: 2
^^^^^^^^^

Thank you. There IS no target market for this phone.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By atechfan on 2/24/2014 8:39:40 PM , Rating: 2
I understand what Nokia is trying to do. I just don't think it will work.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By a5cent on 2/25/2014 9:31:08 AM , Rating: 3
I think the target market includes those people who like the Nokia brand and who are also looking for an Android device. Although this is very uncommon in Europe and the U.S. , it is very common in Asia and Africa. For many people in these areas, Android is a must, because their smartphone is their only computing device. WP and iOS are better suited as companion devices, which has lost Nokia many customers. This is, in part, about giving those customers a chance to stick with their preferred brand.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By drycrust3 on 2/25/2014 10:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft is actually using a full blown Android, just without Google's services. The only apps that will not work properly are the ones that depend on Google API's (such as an app trying to show a location on Google Maps).

The problem with this is currently people write apps that mostly don't use Google's APIs, but as time moves on more and more apps will be written, or re-written to include more and more Google API. Supposedly 25% of apps currently won't work on the mutant Android, well, don't be surprised if in a few years it is more like 60% won't work on it.
I guess Microsoft could produce their own APIs, but why not just put the effort into improving Windows Phone?


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By atechfan on 2/27/2014 7:46:54 AM , Rating: 2
OK, been talking to a few people I know at MS. From what they said, MS isn't very happy about this phone. But they couldn't stop it. Until the acquisition is finalised, Nokia much carry on business as if the acquisition wasn't happening. Since this phone was planned before MS made their intent to buy the handset division was known, the project was already greenlighted and MS couldn't stop it.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Flunk on 2/24/2014 2:29:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm thinking of buying one of these to use as a paperweight. It will remind me that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.


RE: Sailing against a typhoon.
By Flunk on 2/24/2014 2:30:26 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe I'll wait until they release a version with Microsoft written on it instead of Nokia


Brilliant
By dani31 on 2/24/2014 10:38:52 AM , Rating: 2
Android is free, but Google services (including Play Store, Maps, etc) are not.

If a company forks Android, Google will cut them out of their services. If a company wants a Google service, it has to take them all.

But Microsoft does not need Google's services. They have their own Maps, their own Search, their own cloud.
And, brilliantly, they have the developers, because almost all apps developped for Google's Android will work on Microsoft's Android. Developers will just have to re-submit their apps to Microsoft's Android store (or the users can side-load the apps).

Absolutelly brilliant move. There is one thing Google cannot control, and that is where developers submit their apps.

After parting with Android because Google's invasive practices, I may just return to it with Nokia.




RE: Brilliant
By Da W on 2/24/14, Rating: -1
RE: Brilliant
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Brilliant
By ritualm on 2/24/2014 1:56:11 PM , Rating: 2
AOSP isn't as truly "open source" as you and Google claim to be anymore. Instead, it's looking a lot more like the iOS that you hated so much, that blood comes out of your nose just thinking about it.

Also, there is nothing wrong with Microsoft/Nokia making phones that run on a heavily modified version of a competitor's software. Rather, it's a brilliant move for the low-end markets these phones end up competing in.

Finally...
quote:
Nobody wants an Android phone without Google Now.

I'm one of those people who do not want an Android phone with Google Now. The whole idea is as stupid as Mountain View corralling much of what makes AOSP a viable mobile OS behind what is effectively a Google paywall. Knowing you, however, it's fairly safe to say that Tony Swash is more knowledgeable than you over the same topics.

And that's pretty bad.


RE: Brilliant
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/2014 5:35:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Instead, it's looking a lot more like the iOS that you hated so much


Can you even quantify that?

Also I believe you're using "open source" incorrectly. Android is completely 100% open source. Even Microsoft is allowed to fork it.

If you're going to get on a high horse and look down on people, maybe you should know wtf you're saying. Just an idea.

quote:
The whole idea is as stupid as Mountain View corralling much of what makes AOSP a viable mobile OS behind what is effectively a Google paywall.


Pretty obvious you've never used Google Now, at all, not once. And have no idea what you're talking about.


RE: Brilliant
By ritualm on 2/24/2014 6:48:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also I believe you're using "open source" incorrectly. Android is completely 100% open source. Even Microsoft is allowed to fork it.

You make it too painfully obvious that you didn't read the "Training Wheels" article couple days ago, let alone the ArsTechnica from last October.

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Android_Closing...

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iro...

If you fork AOSP, you don't get access to certain APIs Google deems essential to its own ecosystem. Herein lies the major problem in your argument.
quote:
Android is completely 100% open source.

It is not. The Ars article showed exactly how the "open source" part of AOSP is dying. The custom CM 10.1 build on my SGS4 still has some of the legacy AOSP-era apps - and Google isn't updating them anymore. How's that for "open source", huh?
quote:
If you're going to get on a high horse and look down on people, maybe you should know wtf you're saying. Just an idea.

Apparently, I did and you didn't.

Your argument just crumbled.


RE: Brilliant
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/2014 6:56:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you fork AOSP, you don't get access to certain APIs Google deems essential to its own ecosystem. Herein lies the major problem in your argument.


Again, that's not an issue of closed versus open source.

Open source means the source code is available. Which it is. API's have nothing to do with source code.

Words having meanings. Use the right ones for the right meaning.

quote:
If you fork AOSP, you don't get access to certain APIs Google deems essential to its own ecosystem. Herein lies the major problem in your argument.


Again, if Android wasn't open source you wouldn't BE ABLE to fork it at all!

Here let me help you:
Android = open source
Windows = closed source
iOS = closed source
Windows Phone = closed source
Linux = open source
iOS = closed source

Understand?

A few years ago haters like you were accusing Google of not doing ENOUGH to "control" Android and assure quality. Now that they have, you same idiots are accusing them of locking it down and being no better than Apple.

Keep on h8tin'!


RE: Brilliant
By ritualm on 2/24/2014 7:30:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Again, that's not an issue of closed versus open source.

Since you clearly didn't bother reading the Ars article I linked for your benefit, here, let me quote some for you:
quote:
For some of these apps, there might still be an AOSP equivalent, but as soon as the proprietary version was launched, all work on the AOSP version was stopped. Less open source code means more work for Google's competitors. While you can't kill an open source app, you can turn it into abandonware by moving all continuing development to a closed source model. Just about any time Google rebrands an app or releases a new piece of Android onto the Play Store, it's a sign that the source has been closed and the AOSP version is dead...

While it might not be an official requirement, being granted a Google apps license will go a whole lot easier if you join the Open Handset Alliance. The OHA is a group of companies committed to Android—Google's Android—and members are contractually prohibited from building non-Google approved devices. That's right, joining the OHA requires a company to sign its life away and promise to not build a device that runs a competing Android fork...

Since the Kindle OS counts as an incompatible version of Android, no major OEM is allowed to produce the Kindle Fire for Amazon. So when Amazon goes shopping for a manufacturer for its next tablet, it has to immediately cross Acer, Asus, Dell, Foxconn, Fujitsu, HTC, Huawei, Kyocera, Lenovo, LG, Motorola, NEC, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba, and ZTE off the list. Currently, Amazon contracts Kindle manufacturing out to Quanta Computer, a company primarily known for making laptops...

...Play Services is a closed source app owned by Google and licensed as part of the Google Apps package. Any feature you see move from "normal" Android to Google Play Services is also moving from open source to closed source. This app pulls off the neat trick of not only enticing users with exclusive, closed source features, but locking in third-party developers with Google's proprietary APIs as well...

At Google I/O 2013, Google revamped the Android location APIs and released them as part of Google Play Services. In other words, Android's top-tier location services are now closed source. If the above history is any indication, the open source location stack will be left to rot...

Most developers probably say "yes" to Google APIs, and the next question is what should they do about the Kindle and other Android forks? Developers are largely on their own to find a replacement API solution, which might be out of date and might not work perfectly with their existing app. If this other solution isn't a perfect drop-in replacement, the developer will have to figure out how to design their app around the missing feature. Since this is such a small amount of users compared to their current iOS + Android user base, is it even worth it to try to figure out this separate ecosystem? Will they get a return on their time investment? It would be easy to say "the hell with forked Android" and skip all the extra work and Q/A that would entail...

AOSP is open source in name only. Google's hellbent on making most of it closed source. You can fork it - but you have a ton of work ahead of you to make your fork remotely functional for the users. That is not the same as the "open source" which you consistently championed as a feature.

Game over. Your argument just crumbled.


RE: Brilliant
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/2014 7:35:16 PM , Rating: 2
Can someone please explain to this moron kid what "open source" means?? Jesus Christ!

Android is open source. SHUT THE FUCK UP.


RE: Brilliant
By ritualm on 2/24/2014 7:59:44 PM , Rating: 2
Reclaimer77 refuses to believe that water is wet, news at 11.


RE: Brilliant
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/2014 8:19:09 PM , Rating: 2
Ritualm doesn't know what source code is, in a discussion about open source software.

http://www.zdnet.com/debunking-four-myths-about-an...


RE: Brilliant
By ritualm on 2/24/2014 8:33:31 PM , Rating: 3
Your mad-on over anyone and everyone who disagrees with your crazy, deluded, twisted viewpoints is as sickening and hypocritical as your fervent misplaced hatred over everything Tesla.

You are pathetic and weak-willed. You are mentally unable to take a level-headed rebuttal without treating it as a personal attack.

Android is NOT 100% open source. Full. Stop.

You never go full retard, sir. Oh wait, you already did. Cry some more.


RE: Brilliant
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/2014 10:07:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Android is NOT 100% open source. Full. Stop.


Yes it is. There is a clear separation between apps and the OS.

Google doesn't want people screwing around with their apps. You can screw all you want with the OS.

THAT makes it open source.


RE: Brilliant
By Camikazi on 2/25/2014 11:09:49 AM , Rating: 2
Android is 100% open source the problem here is you think Google apps and services are part of Android when they never were. Android is the base OS and some base apps and that is all, those things are open source and usable in any way you want but the Google Services require working with Google and around their rules since they created it. That doesn't make Android less open sourced at all. You seem to think like the people who were upset at Google when they stopped Acer from releasing that phone with Aliyun even though Acer was violating the rules of the OHA agreement. Not being able to separate the difference between Android and Google doesn't make Android any less open source.


RE: Brilliant
By ritualm on 2/25/2014 1:05:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Android is 100% open source the problem here is you think Google apps and services are part of Android when they never were.

Except this isn't the case when Android first started having any market presence. AOSP back then meant everything but the fuel needed to run the car. These days AOSP means getting only 4 wheels and a baseplate.

Is Google updating the bits that make the car run without vendor-specific parts? No. That makes Google's claims of supporting "open source" look like a bunch of baloney and hot air.


RE: Brilliant
By Reclaimer77 on 2/25/2014 2:32:37 PM , Rating: 1
You're a fusking retard, nobody can reason with you.


RE: Brilliant
By ritualm on 2/26/2014 8:59:47 AM , Rating: 2
Alright then, since you think I'm so wrong, how about I pull the rug from under your feet.

If an article talks about something related to Tesla, it's a virtual given that you're going to post something that attacks the integrity of Elon Musk, regardless of its merits. That's why many of your posts on that topic get downranked to oblivion.

If an article talks about something related to Google/Android, you're throwing your full weight in support of it - even when it's wrong.

You are mentally unable to take a level-headed rebuttal without treating it as a personal attack. Moreover - and this part is important - not only do you not digest the sources people give for their arguments, you also immediately shoot them down with virulent, abusive, inflammatory insults. Intelligent, reasoned, respectful : these are qualities conspiciously absent from your posts. You are literally the Mountain View version of Testerguy on these DT comment boards. You are worse than Tony Swash in regards to bias, and that's saying something.

I posted how the SGS5 is milking the cash cow instead of pushing the envelope. You immediately took it as a disparaging post from an Apple/iOS supporter who has never used a single Samsung phone, and proceeded to shut me down by claiming my "opinion doesn't count"... only to watch you reverse course and play nice after finding out that I'm actually using a SGS4. By then it's already too late, thanks to your setting the obnoxious, condescending tone with that insult.

You claim that I cannot be reasoned with, when you are doing just that with the argumentative, illogical and poisonous tone that leaks out of your posts like the coal ash spill from a TVA-operated coal power plant. Yet you demand a polite conversation from the rest of us, while coping with your bigoted behavior? Talk about hypocrisy - you are full of it.

Just because this is a conversation thread on the Internet doesn't mean you can act like an uneducated 9 year old idiot brandishing AR-15's on both hands. We don't play like that, sir, and we certainly do not appreciate your attitude around here.


RE: Brilliant
By atechfan on 2/24/2014 8:36:55 PM , Rating: 2
Android is really only semi-open. Almost everything useful in Android is locked away in the Google APIs. Yes, the Android kernel is technically open source, but is pretty useless to anyone not able to code their own APIs. The amount of work necessary to make a forked Android usable means only large companies like Amazon are doing so. For almost everyone else, it isn't feasible.


RE: Brilliant
By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/2014 9:56:36 PM , Rating: 2
Just because they aren't as open as ritualm would like, doesn't make it closed source.

But he seems unable to grasp this. Frankly I don't think he knows what source code is, or what the difference between closed and open source is.

Google branded apps are ENTIRELY separate from "Android". This is SO frustrating trying to talk to this idiot about this though. Can't tell the difference between an OS and apps!?


RE: Brilliant
By CyCl0n3 on 2/26/2014 6:30:34 AM , Rating: 2
Yes of course the OS is open source. A very outdated open source OS (without google´s closed basic apps)


RE: Brilliant
By CyCl0n3 on 2/26/2014 6:40:02 AM , Rating: 2
* and API´s (mostly)


RE: Brilliant
By themaster08 on 2/24/2014 2:05:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Then why Android? They have their own OS.
I thought that was obvious, and is made perfectly clear in the article if you decided to actually read it. For the plethora of Android apps, of course!

quote:
Nobody wants an Android phone without Google Now. This is even dumber than the Facebook phone.
Talk about clutching at straws! Your needs do not equate to everyone's needs. Why so butthurt? Because you realise that Google's services are not required for a Nokia Android fork?


how?why?
By BRB29 on 2/24/2014 10:01:12 AM , Rating: 3
The only way to make phones that cheap is to install a FREE OS!!!!!

MS is killing itself with their extravagant prices. MS is basically triple dipping. They're trying to make money 4 ways.

1. App Store
2. Advertisement
3. Android royalty($10 per phone sold even though Google gets nothing)
4. Sale of OS

That's a bit greedy. They need to drop OS charges if they want to gain meaningful marketshare.




RE: how?why?
By Jeffk464 on 2/24/2014 10:36:31 AM , Rating: 2
The own Nokia right? I can't imagine they are charging themselves for their own OS. Charging companies money to use the app store is kind of a bad direction in my opinion.


RE: how?why?
By tayb on 2/24/2014 10:45:22 AM , Rating: 2
I doubt they are charging Nokia to use Windows Phone. The reason these devices are running Android is probably related to the hardware requirements that Microsoft imposes for OEM partners. I'm not certain of that though. This is weird.


RE: how?why?
By Labotomizer on 2/24/2014 11:49:56 AM , Rating: 2
See my post above. Windows Phone Central has a great write up on it too and the strategy behind it. Not convinced it will work but it could.


RE: how?why?
By w8gaming on 2/24/2014 12:12:02 PM , Rating: 2
While they haven't dropped the OS charges, they are lowering it now. Just like competing with Netscape has forced them to offer IE free, they will have to lower or getting rid of OS licensing fee to ensure their platform is competitive. MS is not getting rid of OS fee completely yet because they do not know how to earn profit from such a scheme yet.


RE: how?why?
By Argon18 on 2/24/2014 5:52:40 PM , Rating: 1
"That's a bit greedy."

You're only now realizing that Microsoft is a greedy monopolistic gorilla? Lol, they've been operating this way since the 1990's. Nothing new here.


Wrong answer
By fic2 on 2/24/2014 12:47:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
these modified Android smartphones answer a key dilemma of how to insert Windows Phone into low-end devices


Pretty sure that the 520/521 were the answer of Windows Phone on low-end devices.




what?
By p05esto on 2/24/2014 8:17:22 PM , Rating: 2
Terrible idea! Since this will be half baked and not as good as the real thing most consumers will not know the difference and those that use this will think Windows Phone is stupid (which it is NOT). DOn't sell a knock-off and then not expect people to be confused. MS needs to step in and squash this.




Technology news
By technogala on 2/28/2014 1:37:53 AM , Rating: 2
Hi,
Great Post!It's not work because Samsung is the best one for android.




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