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Is Nokia bracing for failure already?

Nokia is betting big on Windows Phone 8 to turn it smartphone fortunes around and many believe a failure with Windows Phone 8 could spell the end for Nokia. However, Nokia's senior vice president of smart devices, Jo Harlow, says that the new smartphones such as the Lumia 920 and Lumia 820 aren't the only chance Nokia has to prove it can compete with smartphone rivals. 
 
Harlow said, "This is a step in the journey. This characterization that it is the last step is not reality. These are two devices; they’re not all the devices that we’ll base on Windows Phone 8. This is our strategy and it’s a journey; there’s not one moment in time that defines everything."
 

Nokia Lumia 920
 
The two new devices from Nokia are some of the first Windows Phone 8 devices to be unveiled. Along with the new operating system, the phones also have improved cameras and wireless charging. While many were excited by the new devices, the unveiling of the phones saw Nokia's stock price fall by as much as 15% after analysts said the new devices lacked "wow factor."
 
An analyst from CCS Insight said, "It’s hard to see Lumia 920 beating the rival Samsung Galaxy SIII or expected iPhone 5 – success depends on keen prices, clear differentiation and defections from existing platforms iOS and Android."

Source: Telegraph



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How many last chances?
By Schadenfroh on 9/10/2012 10:39:38 AM , Rating: 4
I thought the last generation of Lumia phones was their last chance and spelled their doom if they failed?




RE: How many last chances?
By zlandar on 9/10/2012 10:46:21 AM , Rating: 2
Look at their stock value.

Look at their smartphone market share.

The only company in worse shape is RIM.


RE: How many last chances?
By anactoraaron on 9/10/2012 11:26:50 AM , Rating: 2
"RIM is in great shape they have plenty of cash and BB10 will be DA BOM" -Pirks

:)


RE: How many last chances?
By Pirks on 9/10/2012 12:23:59 PM , Rating: 1
Liar


RE: How many last chances?
By anactoraaron on 9/10/2012 1:12:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
c'mon man, let Mick troll it deep, troll it hard, we BB users will have our field day after BB10 is released . you just wait. I'm carefully collecting all Mick's troll posts to enjoy his future wiggling out dance and his pretense that he "didn't say anything wrong" when 2013 comes with its BB10 launch. you just wait, and let Mick troll while he can. he earns money trolling also, and I'm pro-business hehe :) so I don't mind
-posted 8/17/2012

quote:
When you stop ignoring that RIM is smaller and doesn't have huge expenses of monster firms like MS - then we'll see if you are not the trolls anymore.


They don't have huge expenses- ie: they have plenty of cash right?

Hell just read your own posts here:
http://www.dailytech.com/RIM+Takes+Huge+Loss+Lays+...

lmao


RE: How many last chances?
By Pirks on 9/10/12, Rating: 0
RE: How many last chances?
By anactoraaron on 9/10/2012 8:19:04 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah OK. Your 'field' day must be more like a field of dreams day lol and no one likes a Kevin Costner movie.

Ha now I join the other 99% of all posters here on DT as I am a troll to Parks HA


RE: How many last chances?
By Pirks on 9/10/12, Rating: 0
RE: How many last chances?
By Schadenfroh on 9/10/2012 4:01:58 PM , Rating: 2
While their stock price does suck, there is more to Nokia than smartphones, dare I say the majority of their revenue likely does not come from smartphones... Nokia-Siemens and Nokia Maps come to mind (not to mention their "dumb" phones, which are still quite popular in that product class).

Wonder if they could just sell their (phone) hardware business to a random Chinese company and focus on patent trolling... err... IP licensing.


RE: How many last chances?
By GPig on 9/10/2012 12:37:01 PM , Rating: 3
And what is up with these analysts. They lack differentiation? They are about the only company offering any differentiation at all - Optical image stabilisation? Wireless charging? Colour's other than black/white?


RE: How many last chances?
By Mint on 9/10/2012 4:02:09 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the super-sensitive touch screen, able to work with gloves on in cold weather.

If I wasn't so attached to the integrated stylus in my Galaxy Note (and the Note II of course), I'd pick this up in a heartbeat. IMO, the only advantage I'd give the S3 is app selection (an advantage which dwindles by the day) and the display, but only because I can't get enough of the deep blacks of AMOLED; aside from that, the Lumia 920 bests it in almost every way.

I really can't think of anything else a typical person would want in a phone.


yes
By mchentz on 9/10/2012 11:12:34 AM , Rating: 2
I will be getting a windows 8 phone and the Nokia 920 is definitely one of the phones I will be looking at. IMO being exclusive to AT&T is not a plus it is a negative. Ill wait and see what Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint offer and then make my final decision. It will be my first smartphone. I have been waiting for a windows 8 phone.




RE: yes
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 9/10/2012 11:35:00 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
"It’s hard to see Lumia 920 beating the rival Samsung Galaxy SIII or expected iPhone 5 – success depends on keen prices, clear differentiation and defections from existing platforms iOS and Android."

I know it's not right to judge all of Android, especially 4.0 and 4.1 devices, based on my experience with one 2.3 device from one manufacturer...but honestly, as much as I've enjoyed having my Atrix 4G (it was my first smartphone), using it has been a sub-par experience in many, many ways. I'm honestly about ready to defect.

I am already on AT&T and don't plan to switch (unless they try to screw me by changing my plan when I upgrade my phone or something dumb like that), so that means the 920 is on my short list. Once it ends up in stores, I'll probably spend an evening trying it side-by-side with the Galaxy SIII...but I think that novelty is going to decide the matter for me.


RE: yes
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 9/10/2012 11:35:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
"It’s hard to see Lumia 920 beating the rival Samsung Galaxy SIII or expected iPhone 5 – success depends on keen prices, clear differentiation and defections from existing platforms iOS and Android."

I know it's not right to judge all of Android, especially 4.0 and 4.1 devices, based on my experience with one 2.3 device from one manufacturer...but honestly, as much as I've enjoyed having my Atrix 4G (it was my first smartphone), using it has been a sub-par experience in many, many ways. I'm honestly about ready to defect.

I am already on AT&T and don't plan to switch (unless they try to screw me by changing my plan when I upgrade my phone or something dumb like that), so that means the 920 is on my short list. Once it ends up in stores, I'll probably spend an evening trying it side-by-side with the Galaxy SIII...but I think that novelty is going to decide the matter for me.


RE: yes
By ShaolinSoccer on 9/10/2012 4:28:46 PM , Rating: 2
That Nokia 920 does look pretty sweet. It's worth getting just for the camera alone. Everything else is icing on the cake. But I don't deal with AT&T. They lost me as a customer years ago and will never get me back.


user
By rob19478 on 9/10/2012 10:46:18 AM , Rating: 2
I have a lumia 710 - i love the interface and features of the phone, will be looking to get a 920 if nokia doesnt upgrade the os of the 710




RE: user
By DanNeely on 9/10/2012 11:03:43 AM , Rating: 2
MS has already said existing WP7/7.5 phones won't get 8.0 because they don't have all the hardware it needs. Instead they'll be getting something called WP7.8 with a subset of the 8.0 features. Unfortunately, MS hasn't identified what will be included in 7.8 except the new start screen.


RE: user
By sigmatau on 9/10/2012 12:53:38 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft needs to learn how to market their mobile OS. Maybe they should have followed Apple and upgraded all phones to Windows Phone 8 but simply removed all or most of the new features for any phone more than a month old. I mean, all that really matters is that you can go to "about phone" and see the shiny new number next to your OS right?

Or maybe they should have went the way of Android. Release a new OS usualy in combination with one new device and then allow the phone manufacturers/carriers to take about a year to implement it. I mean why have Windows Phone 8 on your device when it is released when you can wait about a year with no release date of any kind from your manufacturer/carrier (exactly what Android does[oh the irony!]), and then you can finaly get it when Windows Phone 8.5/9 is released with new devices?

Oh, and Microsoft has released all features going to 7.8 and 8.0. The 7.8 update will be a big one.


It's sad
By Varun on 9/10/2012 11:54:23 AM , Rating: 2
It's sad that a company even has to say this. Obviously they have more phones in the pipe, and there have been several reports of different phones for Verizon especially. Obviously the 920 would not work on Verizon anyway, but Verizon has stated they will have several WP8 phones in Q4.

Nokia has made some quality devices. With WP7, they were handicapped by a very short design window (most phones take 2 years or so to come to market - they did the Lumia 800 in 6-8 months) and by WP7's hardware limitations. With a full development cycle available, and WP8 being able to run on basically anything they want it to, they should at least be able to be on even footing and use their design to get over the top.

The 920 looks stunning though. If the camera is as good as it looks (faked videos not withstanding) then it will entice a lot of people.




RE: It's sad
By Pirks on 9/10/2012 4:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If the camera is as good as it looks
http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/7/3299784/nokia-lum...


RE: It's sad
RE: It's sad
By Pirks on 9/10/2012 6:52:33 PM , Rating: 1
Not all, the verge stuff in my link is NOT fake


That guy is right
By Gondor on 9/11/2012 3:28:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nokia SVP Says New Lumia 920 and 820 Aren't the Company's "Last Chance"


Their last chance has already been squandered some time ago; this is just grasping at straws before that dinosaur of a company finally bites the dust.




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