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Nokia says that Ovi will have access to 50 million users compared to Apple's 20 million at launch

Apple is sitting on a hugely lucrative business that is tied to its iPhone and iPod touch -- the App Store. Apple has had massive success with the App Store from the start as users and developers flocked to the online marketplace. In only a year, Apple's App Store has already generated a billion downloads and millions in revenue for the company.

With the success of the App Store, other mobile providers are thinking that the time is right for them to jump into the market and Nokia plans to do so with a leaner push into third-party applications. Reuters reports that Nokia is building new businesses for mobile internet services like games and maps, but it is scaling back separate investments in the face of sagging demand for its products.

Nokia's Tero Ojanpera told Reuters, "We are moving into Ovi, into a platform strategy." The Ovi store is set to launch in May and will be available to a significantly larger audience at launch than the App Store is currently. An estimated 50 million Nokia users will have access to the Ovi store when it launches and so far, Apple has sold only 20 million iPhones.

Nokia was forced to take the first quarterly pre-tax loss the firm has ever recorded in January-March and to keep that from happening again it is cutting jobs and slashing costs. Nokia will cut costs in its handset unit by $911 million alone and will cut 360 jobs at its Internet services unit and 90 additional jobs in other parts of the company.

Analyst Bengt Nordstrom from Northstream told Reuters, "As much as iPhone and App Store is a success for Apple, it's a humiliating defeat for the rest of the mobile industry." He continued saying, "Twenty years of efforts from operators and vendors to create mobile applications that customers like is overtaken in a heartbeat by someone that has never done it before."

Some analysts believe that the time is right for Nokia. Patrick Bossert from Convergys said, "Nokia's timing is absolutely right."



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I just bought a Nokia E51
By zerocool84 on 4/30/2009 2:19:14 AM , Rating: 2
I just got a Nokia E51 so I should be able to see how this is. Wonder how many different Nokia phones are able to access it.




RE: I just bought a Nokia E51
By MojaMonkey on 4/30/2009 3:18:09 AM , Rating: 2
Really good question, Nokia's annual sales are around 400 million phones so the 50 million compatible handsets quoted in the news release seems pretty low.

Unless only a small fraction of Nokia's new and existing devices are compatible with the Ovi store?

On another note Steve Ballmer was right about the iphone having no chance of gaining significant market share. It hasn't, but maybe in a few years as the iphone matures Apple could be a significant player.


RE: I just bought a Nokia E51
By juuvan on 4/30/2009 4:59:48 AM , Rating: 2
you need fast 3G and fresh enough Symbian to be able to use this store. There are many models globally not satisfying those preconditions. E51 is probably good for it, but the older E50 probably isn't.

It's sort of logical to address the smart phone niche as the competitor's are focusing on the same market. If Ovi happens to work on lower end phones also, then good for them.


RE: I just bought a Nokia E51
By Hare on 4/30/2009 12:00:46 PM , Rating: 2
OVI is not just an app store. It's a collection of services. Photo sharing, calendar-, email-, file sharing etc etc. OVI is like a big cloud so I would quess it depends on the service if it works or not with older devices.

Ps. I don't think 3G is a requirement. Does Nokia even sell any smartphones without WLAN? Devices that lack WLAN in 2009 are a joke.


RE: I just bought a Nokia E51
By nangryo on 5/3/2009 6:43:06 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know what smartphone you are refering, but here's some nokia phone above us$200 that didn't have wifi : 6110 navigator, 5610 express music, 5330, 5320, n77 n76 didn't have one. Where other nokia phone even on the same price did have one.


RE: I just bought a Nokia E51
By michael2k on 4/30/2009 5:56:28 PM , Rating: 2
If you can read between the lines, the iPhone has gained significant market share in phones with data plans (and of course no market share in phones without data plans).

In case you weren't aware, the market of "phones with no data plans" isn't exactly a money maker and is hurting Nokia's sales.


This is a big deal because???
By munky on 4/30/2009 1:41:41 PM , Rating: 2
There are dozens of different places I can get apps for my Nokia, you just have to use your brain a little. Now all of a sudden they're "catching up" to Apple, because Apple just happens to be catering to dummies who want everything handed to them on a plate? How about Apple start catching up to the rest of the world by offering actually useful features like stereo bluetooth?




RE: This is a big deal because???
By michael2k on 4/30/2009 5:52:48 PM , Rating: 2
This is a big deal because, as perhaps you know, there are more dummies to be catered to than there are brainiacs who know how to use a search engine to find apps.

Oh, and stereo bluetooth is coming this year too.


certification
By Richard70 on 4/30/2009 2:08:58 PM , Rating: 2
The Ovi Store won't catch up anywhere near to Apple's App Store until they relax their certification requirements.

On the Ovi store you are required to have apps certified with Java verified and Symbian signed certificates. You have to pay a significant cost per application per device for these, and even making an update means you have to pay all this over again!

On the Apple app store you just submit and update applications without cost, so I don't see how the Ovi Store will ever compete with the app store unless they remove the need for these forms of certification.




RE: certification
By nitrous9200 on 4/30/2009 8:01:54 PM , Rating: 2
You do have to pay $100 for the iPhone developer license and have to give a cut of your sales to Apple, but hey, if you have a great idea, you could earn that $100 back in no time. I can understand Nokia wanting to have all of those certifications to make sure apps run correctly, but I agree, only the largest of software developers would want to create apps at such a high cost.
Of course, they don't HAVE to be distributed through the Ovi Store, unlike Apple's.


My opinion
By chmilz on 4/30/09, Rating: -1
RE: My opinion
By soydios on 4/30/2009 1:04:55 AM , Rating: 2
Thus Google Android is useless too?

/rolleyes


RE: My opinion
By chmilz on 4/30/2009 1:27:09 AM , Rating: 2
Google Android isn't a phone, it's a software program installed on a phone.


RE: My opinion
By Pippy on 4/30/2009 1:55:25 AM , Rating: 1
Most phones are "software programs installed on a phone"...


RE: My opinion
By juuvan on 4/30/2009 4:54:05 AM , Rating: 2
well I think the previous poster meant applications. It's true that modern phones are stuffed with software, but comparing Android to a phone is just stupid. The real competition is Symbian vs. Android vs. Java@OSX.

On a side note, does any of you guys know what the Finnish word Ovi means? As a Finn I found it hilarious as it means 'door'. Of course this is purely accidental and not by any means related to an OS provided by one particular software giant.


RE: My opinion
By Diesel Donkey on 4/30/2009 4:05:43 PM , Rating: 2
Reminds me of a shell OS I had for my TI-92 graphing calculator. It was called Doors OS.


RE: My opinion
By teng029 on 4/30/2009 3:03:46 AM , Rating: 2
i guess in your case, ignorance really is bliss; isn't it?


RE: My opinion
By robinthakur on 4/30/2009 11:15:56 AM , Rating: 2
Lol, because the iPhone was seen as so useless before the AppStore made an appearance with the 3G firmware...

What 'merits' do Nokia phones these days have exactly, over and above their competitors? An embarassingly dated Symbian OS? Battery life? Styling? Market leading innovation? Not any more i'm afraid. The only thing they win on is price, and none of the cheaper handsets will be able to access their version of the AppStore. Nokia has lagged terribly when it comes to the OS used on its phones. When it only had to competre with the similarly crappy SE, things weren't so bad, but nowadays its a different matter.

AppStore succeeds in part because the iTouch and the iPhone are built on the same platform and mostly have the same specs. You're guaranteed when you download an app that it will run properly on your iPhone. You can't say the same with Nokia's Ovi and the experience will differ radically depending on what handset you get.

At the end of the day, Nokia are following the leader on this subject, not leading, and both their standing in the market and their waning popularity will reflect that. Naming the app store 'Ovi' will also do a good job in making sure nobody knows what the hell it is...


RE: My opinion
By michael2k on 4/30/2009 5:19:51 PM , Rating: 2
That seems pyrrhic when you consider that Nokia sales are down where iPhone sales are up. So really...

Nokia can FAIL to sell units on the lack of merits of the phone while Apple capitalizes on the strength of it's internal and third party apps to push the iPhone to be best of class.

Or another way, Nokia is going to be more like Apple, despite your admiration for their phones.


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