Print 66 comment(s) - last by Flunk.. on Aug 10 at 9:02 AM

Nokia still has a lot of cash, but does it have the drive to get out of this slump?

Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V) took way too long to release its first Windows Phones.  But the results -- like the Lumia 900 LTE -- looked distinctive, lending hope that the phonemaker's approach was merely meticulousness, not sloth.  Initial sales of the Lumia 900 looked promising.

I. Nokia's Recovery Stalls in Q2 

But the wheels fell off the train somewhat in the last quarter.  Sales stalled to 600,000 units in the U.S., including 330,000 Lumia 900s.  That's down 60 percent in unit sales since last year.  And it's way off the roughly 6 million units Nokia moved per quarter in 2006.

One factor slowing sales may be the recent announcement that there will be no full upgrade path for Windows Phone 7 devices to Windows Phone 8.

Revenue wasn't quite so bad for the North American region, as the higher revenue from the Lumia 900 and other models offset lower sales.  But globally the financials were quite bad as well.  Writes Nokia, "All regions showed a significant year-on-year decline in the second quarter 2012 except for North America where the sharp decline in sales of Symbian devices was more than offset by sales of our Lumia devices."

Globally, Nokia sold 4 million Lumia Windows Phones.  That means that roughly 40 percent of Nokia's 10.2 million smartphones sold are Windows Phones.  The rest are the soon-to-be defunct Symbian.  

Nokia white Lumia phones
Nokia's stylish Lumia Windows Phones have been unable to right Nokia's ship, thus far.
[Images Source: Engadget]

Those numbers reflect on just how lackadaisical Nokia's transition pace remains.  It's been nearly a year and a half since Nokia announced that it would be moving entirely to Windows Phone.  A year and a half later it's not even halfway there.

Overall feature phone sales did manage to grow slightly jumping from 71.8 million units last year to 73.5 million units.  Still, Nokia now trails Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) in feature phone sales.

Losses for the quarter tucked in at €826M ($1.01B USD) on revenue of €7.52B ($9.22B USD).  Sales were down nearly 20 percent since last year, while the loss almost doubled.  Nokia has committed to big layoffs to try to offset the sinking sales.

With money losses mounting and the Windows Phone transition far from over, all three major credit agencies have downgraded Nokia's credit to "junk" status.  Nokia is only fortunate that it is sitting on a pile of cash -- €3.5B ($4.29B USD), to be precise.  That's slightly more of a cushion than some struggling rivals like Research in Motion, Ltd. (TSE:RIM) have.

All of this is the same old story for Nokia and none of it is terribly surprising.  The company is still lingering around, but the concern is that after a couple of intriguing device announcements, it seems back to its old ways, continuing its slow slide down the hill.

II. Nokia Almost Released iPhone, iPad Look-Alikes in 2000

About the most interesting thing to come out of the earnings hoopla was a report in The Wall Street Journal, which released details of an iPhone and iPad-like device developed by Nokia researchers in the 1990s, but never released.  The smartphone had a color touch-screen at a time when most phones were keyboard-driven units with tiny black-and-white pixel displays.  And most notably it had a single round button beneath the touch-screen -- just like the iPhone.
Apple iPhone
Nokia reportedly was testing a device nearly identical to the iPhone, seven years before Apple. [Source: David Paul Morris/Getty Images]
Likewise Nokia had a tablet computer that was built around a large touch screen and a wireless connection.  Unlike many other Windows tablets of the time it lacked buttons.

Nokia may deserve some credit for conceiving the iPad and iPhone designs over seven years before the original iPhone, but it has no profits to show for that creativity.  About the only positive value to come from the innovation was a $6B USD trove of patented ideas, most of which Nokia never succeeded in bringing to market.

Comments CEO Stephen Elop, "If only they had been landed in products.  I think Nokia would have been in a different place."

Instead he's left to ponder selling some of those memories of past innovation squandered to try to stay afloat.  Nokia is also actively suing rivals to try to generate revenue.

Source: Nokia

Comments     Threshold

This article is over a month old, voting and posting comments is disabled

Beat estimate by 1 million
By Mitch101 on 7/19/2012 2:58:39 PM , Rating: 2
The interesting part is Analysts expected Nokia to sell 3-3.4 million Windows phones but Nokia sold 4 million despite slow growth in the US. Microsoft even admits many people don't know they have a phone still so they started doing flash mobs and recent sales will help with getting the word out.

Nokia also said the announcement of Windows 8 phones hasn't affected sales either and Nokia will actually sell Windows Phone 7 devices after the launch of Windows 8. Cue joke about them needing that long to unload them however the Lumina beat sales estimates.

Investors were speculating Nokia would be down to 3.7 billion in cash reserves but are at 4.2 billion.

Nokia did note its Nokia Siemens equipment business returned to an operating profit in the quarter. Also, the company’s cash balance of €4.2 billion was boosted by a €400 million payment for patent licensing, which may have been from an agreement with Apple.

I see is a possible takeover target and it had better be Microsoft overall I expect Samsung to be Nokia's pain point coming into Windows Phone 8.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Reclaimer77 on 7/19/12, Rating: -1
RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Mitch101 on 7/19/2012 4:35:36 PM , Rating: 2
From Nokia alone there are 4 million more Windows Phones than last year:
1: Not every carrier was selling the Nokia.
2: This was just Nokia Sales.

AT&T has the worst shared data rates imaginable so I can see people waiting for Verizon.

For Windows Phone 8 you have Verizon planning a huge launch, Samsung is coming with a monster Windows 8 phone, Nokia is also coming with a monster Windows 8 phone, and companies I never heard of going to be making a Windows 8 Phones - Heck Acer is going to be making a Windows 8 phone.

Its not just the Phone carriers that want a third eco system its the phone manufactures that want Windows Phone to succeed.

While I think Jelly Bean is probably the best Android OS yet I really like the experience I get from Windows Phone 7 and am looking forward to the Windows Phone 8 devices.

Windows Phone 8 is going to get the hardware I don't feel I need but will probably enjoy having. Windows 8 phones will rival Android phone specs coming from Samsung and Nokia.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By geddarkstorm on 7/19/2012 4:40:38 PM , Rating: 2
The 4 million is their global sales, of which 40% of those are windows phones, not all of them. The rest are Symbian.

Now realize, HTC just sold 13.4 million phones globally this last quarter.

Puts Nokia in perspective.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By geddarkstorm on 7/19/2012 4:42:31 PM , Rating: 2
Oh oops, sorry, yes the 4 million windows phones globally was Nokia; the total was 10 million phones, 40% of that being windows phones.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Mitch101 on 7/19/2012 4:55:35 PM , Rating: 2
Windows Phones units increased 50% between Q1 and Q2 2012.

Direct to the Slide

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Tony Swash on 7/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By MrBlastman on 7/20/2012 10:56:23 AM , Rating: 3
For once, I agree with you Tony.

You're right!

Coming back from total failure is hard. Apple has totally failed to win me over as a customer and I don't see that changing anytime in the future!

Thanks for the insight. :)

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By geddarkstorm on 7/19/2012 4:50:47 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, that was old HTC data, and they are selling more than that now. You know what, sales data is just a pain to look through.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By NellyFromMA on 7/19/2012 4:51:52 PM , Rating: 3
Um, the Lumia 900 is praised by all for being a great peice of hardware overall. So, how do they not compete? Let's try again in Q3 Q4 2012 or Q1 2013. Big things are happening then, can't you tell?

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Reclaimer77 on 7/19/12, Rating: 0
RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Mitch101 on 7/19/12, Rating: 0
RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Reclaimer77 on 7/19/2012 5:37:57 PM , Rating: 2
LOL awww I'm sorry, did I interrupt your WP circle jerk?

So a few defects and issues with the first run of the Galaxy S3 that will be corrected... okay, what exactly are you trying to say? How does this make WP more viable anyway? The Galaxy S3 is just one phone. There's like 15 Android phones that outsell the Lumia 900.


You're bashing the Galaxy S3, while the Lumia has defects so significant Nokia had to give people $100 credits for their trouble. Hello?

What will you talk about when Windows Phone 8 runs on the same hardware and comes from the same manufacturer like Samsung?

I'll say about time. But Android is still better :) If JellyBean is a taste of the future, you can forget WP picking up a ton of steam.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By chripuck on 7/19/2012 5:48:19 PM , Rating: 4
Wow, douche bag alert. Speaking of circle jerk, did you finish your Android circle jerk yet?

Seriously, I owned the Galaxy S II and it was a piece of junk. I went back to an iPhone because of it. It felt cheap, the wifi gave me nothing but problems and that "gorgeous" super amoled display had too much blue shift for my taste.

The Nokia is the first phone on the market that actually has the build quality of Apple. If they'd up the ante in the camera/video department I'd be tempted to try it. As it stands, Samsung's cheap plastic "powerhouses" aren't cutting it for folks who want something that feels as premium in their hand as it was when they gave away their money.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Reclaimer77 on 7/19/12, Rating: -1
RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By KIJ20 on 7/19/2012 8:34:57 PM , Rating: 3
Statistics of phone returns in our company due to problems with the phones:
Lumia: 0%
iPhone: 5 %
Galaxy SII: 80 %

Very unstatistical way of measuring - but almost all the Galaxy SII's has been returned due to errors like randoms crashes, screen problems and so on. Wouldn't expect soo many problems for a phone like that, as I guess they use the same suppliers as Apple and Nokia (Samsung is a big supplier). And finally, of these 3 phones, Lumia is the only one left we can still choose as company phone.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By tamalero on 7/20/2012 10:42:37 AM , Rating: 2
Citation needed.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Mitch101 on 7/19/2012 7:25:52 PM , Rating: 1
Hes just jealous because he cant find his d1ck so he tries to compensate with big hardware.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/12, Rating: 0
RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Mitch101 on 7/20/2012 11:31:07 AM , Rating: 1
You cast the first stone "WP circle jerk"

You remind me of Walter Peck

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/2012 11:51:45 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah that was totally the same as saying you had no penis or whatever lol.

Hey I'm not whining, bring it on if that's how you want to play it. I just thought it wasn't even a very good insult, pretty immature, and was thrown way too early.

If you're going to cheer-lead and post sales projections and profit numbers like the WP version of Tony Swash, you can't get offended when someone brings you back down to Earth.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Mitch101 on 7/20/2012 1:40:43 PM , Rating: 2
Some will get the analogy you like to compare the latest product release with the biggest hardware to everything else is somehow crap despite people really enjoying the device.

Im really happy with my windows phone and Im not going to let someone with their e-penis tell me somehow how my life is incomplete or ruined because of the choice I made. If I didn't like it I would say it sucks but its darn good but I and all those people on Amazon, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint who gave the phone great reviews must be stupid.

In your eyes the lumina must be garbage because it doesn't have 4 cores and run Android despite being a perfectly good device with a very high satisfaction rate but were all wrong and your right. Ive had enough Android devices to make a decision on why I prefer the Windows Phone over the Android.

God forbid anyone like something other than Android mobile and your all over them as if we've all made a huge mistake.

I dont care if Im the Tony Swash of Windows Phone Im happy with my device. Your happy with Android but unlike you I dont feel the need to make negative comments on every non Android post out there.

Keep on trolling Reclaimer.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/2012 2:46:39 PM , Rating: 2
Man I think you packed more melodrama into that post than the entire Twilight franchise. Please, chill out. You're going WAY overboard.

The Lumia 900 is NOT garbage. What's happened here is that Jason and a few others were so desperate for Windows Phone to work out, you heralded the Lumia with WP 7.5 as the "next big thing" in mobile computing, when it's clearly not.

It's an average phone running an OS that's FAR behind the times. Those are the facts. If you like it, great. Where am I tell you that you cannot like it?

You can find posts of mine from last year, maybe 2 years ago, praising Microsoft and predicting a MS vs Apple war for the top spot. Your opinion of me as an MS basher is SO far off the mark. However it's now become clear to me that under Balmer, Microsoft is a stumbling giant. They seem incapable of delivering on their promises, and WP has stagnated.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Flunk on 8/10/2012 9:02:18 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think that would matter, as the Android version of Tony Swash I don't think anything would affect your opinion.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By jnemesh on 7/20/2012 11:01:17 AM , Rating: 1
Hey! My Palm was WAY more functional than the WP piles of junk!

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By nafhan on 7/19/2012 5:57:20 PM , Rating: 3
When the iPhone came out there wasn't really a "great" phone to compete with. When Android devices started rolling out, they were competing with ONE great phone one one carrier. The Lumia 900, despite being great, has the major disadvantage of competing in a market crowded with excellent hardware and software choices.

Also, between the release of the Lumia 900 and Q1 next year, a number of excellent Android handsets and the next iPhone are all coming to market. Beginning of this year was the Lumia's time to shine.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Voldenuit on 7/20/2012 1:42:01 AM , Rating: 2
They are crippled by windows phone's hardware and software limitations.

* Outdated single core CPU and slow GPU.
* No mountable file system = no removable SD card
* No bluetooth file transfer (wtf?)
* No USB host/ USB2Go
* No MTP transfer mode = klunky Zune client ball and chain dependence
* Lousy developer access and tools for low level APIs
* Poor multitasking support
* Poor offline Maps support
* Worse camera than N8/808

WP7 is inferior in every metric to Symbian/Belle phones, and I don't know if WP8 is going to fix this. MS has a vested interest in promoting Skydrive, so I can see them continue to limit WP8's connectivity/data/file transfer options, which will hurt consumers' choices and options.

I sincerely hope they step down from their hubris and make a phone system that's more open and accommodating than WP7. I'm sure nokia is praying for the same thing. Otherwise, it's time for the oft-rumored 'Plan B'.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Chaser on 7/20/2012 1:49:49 PM , Rating: 2
I wish I had known all this before I had bought my Lumia 900. As an android user I "expected" all this on a state of the big art Microsoft developed Windows 7 phone.

What a joke. I am glad AT&T took it back and gave me a refund.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By Calin on 7/20/2012 3:45:21 AM , Rating: 2
A Lumia 800 is only 10% cheaper (without contract) than a Galaxy Nexus at Vodafone Romania (449 versus 479 euro). With a smartphone contract, the Nexus is half the price (69 vs. 149 Euro, final sale price VAT included). Also, without contract one could buy an LG Sol for a bit more than half the price of the Lumia 800.
As I've visited the Vodaphone shops several times this year, the Nokia phones aren't positioned to sell.

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By cheese098 on 7/24/2012 7:47:50 AM , Rating: 1
Holy crap what Kind of prices are these? O_o I can get a lumia 800 for 300 euro without contract in switzerland! with a modest contract it'd be around 50-100 euro i guess. As for that I think vodafone are just assholes not willing to sell the lumia ;)

RE: Beat estimate by 1 million
By nikon133 on 7/19/2012 5:07:47 PM , Rating: 2
That is not really fair - Nokia WP phones were limited by Windows Phone 7.5 itself. Nokia couldn't make anything above single core, 800x480 device with no SD card etc. etc.

With WP8 removing most of hardware limitations, we'll see what can Nokia do in hardware department. I believe they can compete with likes of Samsung performance and feature wise, while still having better design.

By Iketh on 7/19/2012 3:24:56 PM , Rating: 2
My opinion is the slow down is due to no upgrade to Windows 8... are the losses in sales less than what it would cost to test on Lumia 900?

RE: ...
By sprockkets on 7/19/2012 3:32:46 PM , Rating: 2
Then again, how many informed people knew that, or were waiting for that information?

Does it even matter? 7.8 pretty much gives WP8 without the new kernel. Not as if it is a big loss.

However, only 330k 900s and only sold for free/$100 and now $50? Sold or not, that doesn't give them much profits. And their mistake at launch cost them what $100 as well?

RE: ...
By jnemesh on 7/19/2012 3:45:44 PM , Rating: 2
Does it matter? HELL YES! The uninformed customer MAY buy one of these paperweights, they may miss that it will not be upgradable for NOW...but when they hear about apps, and find that they cant run them on their BRAND NEW PHONE, they will be pissed!

RE: ...
By jonmcc33 on 7/19/2012 3:49:16 PM , Rating: 2
I have an HTC Arrive running WP7.5. I want to break my contract. I hate that Windows Phone has nothing in terms of apps. I might put up with it for a few more months before terminating my contract.

RE: ...
By Myrandex on 7/19/2012 10:25:28 PM , Rating: 3
yea man I hear you, I can't find anything out there. 100,000? Pffft I need 1,000,000 to get by.

Sarcasm aside, there are a couple I feel that I'm missing that I desire. I would like a chase mobile banking app (which is announced as coming), a dish network app, bejeweled blitz (I have the regular one), and an official gmail app. That's about it from my iPhone that I use on a regular basis that I would like on my Lumia.

RE: ...
By Myrandex on 7/19/2012 10:27:04 PM , Rating: 2
Oh and all honesty, I was hoping so hard for an HTC 7 Pro to be compatible with US 3G GSM networks. That phone looked amazing, the true phone upgrade from the Touch Pro 2. I've never found a phone with a keyboard as good as the Touch PRo 2's, even in Android land. Unfortuately moving to CDMA was enough of a negative to prevent me from snatching up one of those.

RE: ...
By sprockkets on 7/19/2012 6:30:05 PM , Rating: 2
That doesn't answer why they have poor sales...

RE: ...
By Flunk on 7/19/2012 4:29:35 PM , Rating: 2
It will make a big difference when the Windows Phone 8 exclusive apps start to launch, shortly after Windows Phone 8 launches.

RE: ...
By Mitch101 on 7/19/2012 4:25:35 PM , Rating: 1
Im surprised there isnt a slowdown but I bet some are waiting knowing 8 is around the corner

Nokia: Windows Phone 8 announcement did not affect Lumia sales, WP7 sales will continue well after the introduction of WP8

The good news going forward is, consistent with our own findings, that the announcement of a lack of a Windows phone upgrade has not affected Lumia sales negatively, with Stephen Elop at a Nokia investor call quoted as saying today, ”Lumia activations were flat to up in the weeks following Windows Phone 8 announcement.”

RE: ...
By NellyFromMA on 7/19/2012 4:50:18 PM , Rating: 2
No sense offering an upgrade for a hardware platform that has no chance of running acceptably on it when you need a slam dunk to stay up. It makes no sense to shove WP8 on WP7 devices. They are similar in name alone.

Window Phone 8
By ctodd on 7/19/2012 3:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
Who wants to buy a WP right now when you are guaranteed not to get an update to WP8?! MS shot everyone involved in the foot when they decided to do that! At least with my iPhone, I'm pretty sure I will get several years of OS updates. I might loose a few features, but I get all of the updates until my phone is old as dirt. I have a Samsung Focus S as well, but I really just don't like it and prefer to use my iPhone. I was hoping to get WP8 to see if my opinion changed, but I'm not going to buy another phone to find out.

RE: Window Phone 8
By GotThumbs on 7/19/2012 3:56:42 PM , Rating: 2
Don't be too sure. The next phone won't even use the same adapters. Chock up more $$$ to buy and replace what you already be the first on your block.....again.

Apple knows its fan base will gladly spend money again and again for the same product in the same case...with a tweak here and there.

Best wishes to all those suckers. :->
I get a chuckle just thinking about how stupid people are and how quick they are to give their money away. It's like a compulsive gambler. In the end, ts their money so carry on.

I'm good with my Droid phone and don't plan to upgrade for sometime. It does exactly what I needed and wanted. $30.00 for 1200 min, 3000 txt and 100meg of data...and no contract. I like keeping my money in my own pocket thank you.

Who was it that said a sucker is born every minute? I can see that's not far from the truth.

Best wishes,

RE: Window Phone 8
By Chaser on 7/22/2012 1:06:44 AM , Rating: 2
Whether it's voluntary or by choice just because you triumphantly choose to live in the stone age with your whole 100MB of data doesn't make anyone else that has the purchasing power to own a phone that was built after 2009 a reckless idiot.

More power to you if you gain happiness living like Ebeneezer Scrooge to get your sanctimonious thrills.

Best wishes.

RE: Window Phone 8
By NellyFromMA on 7/19/2012 4:54:02 PM , Rating: 1
Cause that didn't happen when Andoird went from 2.2 to 3.0 or phones from 2.2 to 4....

I guess im not surpised by the double standard, just bored of it.

I guess you CAN have it both ways, but no one is going to take you seriously for it. Other than fan boys I guess.

Explain how Android major released are ANY different?

RE: Window Phone 8
By chripuck on 7/19/2012 5:51:48 PM , Rating: 2
It's dictated by the hardware manufacturer and not the maker of the OS? There are dozens of phones that were never given the official conversion to ICS that are slowly getting ports with other open ROMs.

RE: Window Phone 8
By NellyFromMA on 7/20/2012 10:42:08 AM , Rating: 2
Non-official is hardly a good comparison. We don't even have the opportunity to see what unofficially can happen with Win RT Win8 or WP8. It's the same.

Sayinvg it's the hardware manufacturer isn't the point. With Android, HW manufacturers create drivers and they decice which HW they make the drivers for.

It's not different.

RE: Window Phone 8
By jnemesh on 7/20/2012 2:28:20 PM , Rating: 2
A 2 year old phone running Android 2.2 can still run the vast majority of the apps available in the Play store. The WP7 bricks are incapable of running WP8 apps, that is the difference.

RE: Window Phone 8
By NellyFromMA on 7/26/2012 9:48:45 AM , Rating: 2
Bad comparison again. If an app specifically takes advantage of features only available in ICS or greater, they do not work. If they use resolutions higher than 2.2 max, good luck with that. Try again though, I enjoy the discussion. Compatability and its pros and cons didn't start with MS and they don't end there either. I'd think tech enthusiasts would be more open to that reality.

slow and steady wins the race?
By Roffles on 7/19/2012 4:01:27 PM , Rating: 3
I have no desire to own a wp7 device. The overall functionality is lacking and the hardware doesn't impress me. Also, the current crop of devices won't receive wp8 updates.

But something big is can tell by Microsoft's progress and the most recent announcements. They are putting something cohesive together. Just imagine owning a Windows 8 x86 surface tablet to do your work with, an xbox 720 for media/games/entertainment, and a wp8 for pocket mobility. Imagine having them all working together in sync. It would be pretty awesome. I hope Nokia hangs on for just a while longer...I'm a potential customer because I can see a bright future here.

RE: slow and steady wins the race?
By name99 on 7/19/2012 5:38:27 PM , Rating: 1
"Imagine having them all working together in sync. It would be pretty awesome."

Why do we have to imagine it? If you have a Mac and iOS devices, you have this TODAY. In a slightly different form, if you use Chrome and Android devices you also have a version of it today.

RE: slow and steady wins the race?
By Roffles on 7/19/2012 8:14:45 PM , Rating: 3
Apple doesn't have a premier gaming machine and I doubt they ever will. And if they did, I doubt anyone would care with the ps4 and xbox720 on the horizon -- there's no room and no need for another player.

Their tablet is only a tablet where the upcoming Surface will be a tablet and a full-on Ivy Bridge PC (it's amazing it took so long for someone to figure out that you can easily combine the tablet form and the notebook form together with a removable keyboard and a touch screen). This is the perfect example of reducing electronic clutter, having your cake, and eating it too.

Apple's phone out of the box is locked down with limited functionality (functionality: in the geek sense of the word compared to Android out of the box) The 3.5" screen does nothing for me but limit the overall usefulness of the phone as well.

Apple TV won't play my library of 1080p MKV bluray rips....amongst other features it lacks compared to my boxee. And finally, no, I won't let iTunes manage all my music and media. No thank you.

Seriously, Apple makes overpriced designer boutique consumer fodder products for people who are willing to spend money on every little thing and accept the limited functionality as the way things are because they generally don't know much about competitive products....not my idea of geeking out. And I don't like their litigious way of abusing a broken patent system. So, to summarize in this haphazardly written few paragraphs, Apple is about as cohesive as the stack of hundred dollar bills in your wallet that are waiting to buy into the consumer illusion.

RE: slow and steady wins the race?
By Roffles on 7/19/2012 8:17:41 PM , Rating: 2
...oh and x2 for everything I just said about tablets and media streamers for the Android system as well. Android makes the most useful phones though.

RE: slow and steady wins the race?
By ctodd on 7/20/2012 3:13:41 PM , Rating: 2
I laughed and cried when MS debuted WP8 and the big NEWS was that you could fit more tiles on the screen. Like I really care about more tiles on a screen! So many things that needed to be changed or added and they focused on petty crap like tiles. I've seen the cohesion so far and I'm not impressed. I'll buy a surface when it is release just because I want a windows tablet, but they are not getting another dime out of me for a phone!!

By name99 on 7/19/12, Rating: 0
RE: Hmm?
By Mitch101 on 7/19/2012 3:15:21 PM , Rating: 3
Horace Dediu, an analyst for Asymco, estimated that Nokia has sold 330,000 Lumia phones in the United States. They sold 600,000 not amazing but almost double what Horace predicted.

Would the results be the same if Verizon were selling the Lumina? Wait till Windows Phone 8. Something big is brewing when companies that you never would think of creating a phone decide to make a Windows Phone 8 device.

RE: Hmm?
By sprockkets on 7/19/2012 7:43:31 PM , Rating: 2
So? Didn't Nokia say they *shipped* 600k phones into the US, not sold? At least they shipped 4 million somewhere, so they sold something close to it.

By Chaser on 7/19/2012 6:25:51 PM , Rating: 4
I bought the Lumia 900 3 weeks ago. And I wanted my investment to succeed for me. My money and time was at stake. But over time I grew disappointed with it.

The good:
1. U/I Simplicity. You need something? No pawing through menu after menu. W7P has it there for you quick.
2. Live tiles. If the app is written to take advantage of them it's a very nice touch.
3. Voice texts. Your texts are read to you and you can reply by voice. It's implemented quite well.

The bad:

1. Browser. Unlike Android you're stuck with only one. And compared to the Android competition W7P browser needs a lot of work. I can't save a podcast from a link directly to the phone. It will only stream. And also unlike most Android browsers it won't remember my login credentials on several sites. I have to enter them in each time I try to access them.

2. Snycing music from a PC: you gotta use Zune and it's copying method is archaic. I guess W7P is trying to be like iTunes. A Windows device that can't be recognized as an external storage device on Windows? Complete fail.

3. No different tones for separate email accounts. Maybe coming to W8P I heard?

4. No alternative keypads. No swift keys, or even Swype? Fail.

App support: Many that I used are not available on W7P. It gets frustrating after a while.

Sure no phone is perfect. But the downsides of W7P were too much for me.

Now I am on GSIII. The interface has so many options, features and touches. Amazing phone. So is the HTC One X.

Very glad to be back with Android and even more glad I was within the 30 day return Window.

Jason wrong again
By Ushio01 on 7/19/12, Rating: 0
RE: Jason wrong again
By geddarkstorm on 7/19/2012 4:52:58 PM , Rating: 2
That's the wrong category. We're talking about the smartphone subcategory, not all "feature phones".

RE: Jason wrong again
By Ushio01 on 7/19/2012 6:32:10 PM , Rating: 1
From article

"Overall feature phone sales did manage to grow slightly jumping from 71.8 million units last year to 73.5 million units. Still, Nokia now trails Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) in feature phone sales."

I don't care what you care about I care about accuracy and it's now been corrected.

RE: Jason wrong again
By Ushio01 on 7/19/12, Rating: 0
By jnemesh on 7/20/2012 11:09:17 AM , Rating: 3
First, I simply CAN NOT UNDERSTAND the slavering blind loyalty people are showing to MICROSOFT of all companies...

Second, to all the misguided Microsheep out there...GET OVER IT! The platform is a FAILURE! It would have been killed off already, but MS keeps throwing money at the platform. After 2 years, it STILL has less than 2% market share, it is NOT selling in significant numbers, developers AREN'T developing for it (at least not at the same pace as competing platforms, not even CLOSE!) and people are starting to realize that it is SEVERELY limited compared to IOS and Android (and even Symbian!).

So give up the mindless drivel you keep spouting about it's supposed "superiority". It's not superior, it's not even close to being capable of BASIC functionality that the competition has had for YEARS, and it's not going to get any better.

"wait for Windows Phone 8" you say? No thanks, I just bought a new phone, and so did MILLIONS of others. Oh, and then there is a little device coming out in a couple months called the "iPhone 5" may have heard about it. Anyone else left over is probably too stupid to know better (i.e. hasnt owned either a Windows Mobile 6.x phone or WP7 phone and gotten burned by the trashing of the platform) or is employed by Microsoft!

Carrier lockdown
By Gunbuster on 7/20/2012 10:29:58 AM , Rating: 2
It would have helped if the hero phone lumia 900 was not in exclusive lockdown with AT&T.

How the F do you expect to sell phones if you lock out 75% of your customers who are on Sprint/Verizon/T-mobile

By Stuka on 7/20/2012 7:45:09 PM , Rating: 2
For the sake of the article's clarity, I feel I should point out that the thumbnail photo is not a fumble, it is in fact an incomplete pass. But, I blame the artist for this error, not the author. I hope we can move passed this.

"If you look at the last five years, if you look at what major innovations have occurred in computing technology, every single one of them came from AMD. Not a single innovation came from Intel." -- AMD CEO Hector Ruiz in 2007

Copyright 2016 DailyTech LLC. - RSS Feed | Advertise | About Us | Ethics | FAQ | Terms, Conditions & Privacy Information | Kristopher Kubicki