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Windows Phone can beat any dual-core Android or iPhone, says the Nokia CEO

Chinese-language publication Yangchen brings some interesting comments by Nokia Oyj. (HEL:NOK1VCEO Stephen Elop.  The ex-Microsoft veteran and recent import to the Finnish phonemaker is quoted as dismissing multi-core phones as a gimmick.

He comments [translated], "Dual-core, quad-core mobile phones are just a waste of battery, and are seldom useful."

China -- a strong market for Nokia and the world's largest smartphone market -- has been the target of a big push for the company's Lumia-branded Windows Phones.  The advertising push is dubbed "Blown Away by Lumia". The phonemaker is offering a bounty of 1,000 yuan ($158.66 USD) if users can beat Windows Phone in a task of their choosing.

Stephen Elop
Stephen Elop says multi-core smartphone chips eat up battery, but don't typically improve the experience. [Image Source: Reuters]

Windows Phone OS-maker Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) and Nokia are running a similar promotion at the Mobile World Congress 2012 dubbed "Smoked by Windows Phone".  That contest offered winners a laptop and free phone.  

Controversy erupted when Microsoft denied one user his winnings, despite the fact that he appeared to "beat" the Lumia with his Android-based phone.  Both phones were preconfigured with weather widgets, so the contest devolved into who could unlock the fastest and the Android held a narrow edge (or its user did perhaps).  At first Microsoft refused to give out the prize.  Still, Microsoft and Nokia eventually relented and ponied up the promised prize.

Stephen Elop is cited as saying Nokia has never lost the contest, yet, perhaps not counting that technical loss a true loss.  It's worth noting that this isn't the first time Nokia's CEO has poo-pooed on the suggestion of multi-core.

Microsoft, for its part, says it will soon offer a new version of Windows Phone that includes multi-core support, though enthusiasm at Nokia about this development appears to be lacking.

So far some high end Androids and the iPhone 4S offer dual cores, but generally at slightly lower clock speeds.

Analysis

Indeed, as an early Lumia 900 LTE adopter, I have to say Mr. Elop is right, for the most part.  Outside of a handful of demanding games, I have seen no slowdown whatsoever with Windows Phone.



The Nokia Lumia 900. [Image Source: Nokia]

The phone uses an overclocked 1.4 GHz APQ8055 (second generation Snapdragon) from Qualcomm, Inc. (QCOM).  The fact that it actually feels smoother than my older Android and on-par with Apple, Inc.'s (AAPLiPhone 4S and newer dual-core Androids, in terms of responsiveness, tells me two things:

1. Microsoft's core OS is very efficient in terms of processor/memory use.
2. The majority of core apps are still lightly threaded at best on smartphones.

The only place where the Lumia is "smoked" so to speak is in high-end graphics performance.  For example the iPhone can play high-polygon, almost PC-quality games like Infinity Blade -- something the Nokia has thus far not shown itself to be capable of, to my knowledge.

With Dead Space Mobile coming to the Lumia 900, courtesy of Electronic Arts, Inc. (EA), that should be an interesting test of exactly how far or close Nokia is graphics-wise, as that's a pretty high-poly free-moving first-person shooter.  A couple of other potentially taxing titles -- Need for Speed and Mirror's Edge are also coming.

WP7 Connect reports that these titles will be free, but other articles don't seem to mention this, so it's unclear whether this is accurate.

Nokia and EA have not announced a precise date yet.  The deal will also add perennial favorite Plants v. Zombies.

Source: Yangchen [translated]



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I think he's right
By Freddo on 4/13/2012 6:57:41 PM , Rating: 2
I don't like Elop, and I think they should have continued with Meego, but I think he's right in this.

Phone software doesn't require powerful multi core CPUs. You hardly need a powerful CPU to send a text message and all the UI stuff is done by the GPU and all the "impressive" phone games are all about the GPU as well. There isn't really anything out there that bottleneck the CPU and ruin the user experience.

The most demanding phone software I can think of is running a PS1 emulator, but single core 1GHz ARM CPUs do that just fine. Running a PS2 emulator at full speed would obviously be out of question though, but as far as I know, noone even tried to make that for a phone yet.

Anyway, I guess I would change my mind if people started to use phones for serious video editing or 3D rendering, but Adobe Premiere and 3DS MAX are pieces of desktop computer software, not phone software.




RE: I think he's right
By Freddo on 4/13/2012 6:58:53 PM , Rating: 3
In the end, I just value the extra long battery power over processing power I won't use when it comes to a mobile device.


RE: I think he's right
By Pryde on 4/14/2012 5:09:55 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that battery life is important but these phones are capable of doing everything people were doing on a cheapish laptop 5 years ago. Its possible that in the next 10 years your smartphone may very well be capable of becoming your main pc. Phone when your out and about get home phone wireless snycs with monitor/tv/keyboard/whatever and play some BF3 type game go to friends house phone snycs go to work phone syncs forget cloud computing we could be carrying around a smartphone that has more processing power than the average consumer PC has today.


RE: I think he's right
By geddarkstorm on 4/14/2012 12:39:43 PM , Rating: 2
And yet ironically the Lumia 900 has some of the very worst measured battery life for a phone. The number of cores don't hurt battery life when you can power gate them. But one core having to push extreme hertz for the architecture to try to make up for missing a core, eats through battery life like candy.

Don't be fooled: multiple lower powered cores are far more versatile than a single souped up core in every regard.


RE: I think he's right
By french toast on 4/14/2012 1:59:25 PM , Rating: 2
Damn right..by his limited logic his single core lumia 900 should have 4 times better batterylife than HTC ONE X!??
Its WORSE. ;)


RE: I think he's right
By shabby on 4/14/2012 11:27:14 PM , Rating: 3
Add worst browser performance to the mix, but hey at least it scrolls smoothly through the colored tiles and black and white settings pages... lets give it that.


RE: I think he's right
By ExcaliburII on 4/16/2012 4:58:51 PM , Rating: 3
I find that my battery lasts at least 1.5 days on medium usage...better than the iPhone that I have used and better than my co-workers playing with their new nexus toys who had to turn off LTE to get a day out of it. So not sure what your comparing or where the comparison is coming from.


RE: I think he's right
By InvertMe on 4/17/2012 8:27:31 AM , Rating: 3
Some of the first batch of 900s that had the data connection issue also suffered bad battery life as a result. Once that was fixed battery life improved to what it should have been - pretty amazing.

My 900 easily lasts me 1.5 days and I use my phone a lot.


RE: I think he's right
By french toast on 4/14/2012 11:40:22 AM , Rating: 2
IOS has movie edditing software that even the dual core A5X struggles with..so it IS needed.

Games make use of multi cores and more power, so does running multiple apps whilst doing somplicated things all at the same time..like streaming/downloading, whilst listening to music/ whilst playing GTA3, with 8 tabs on the go..

Alos what about HD displays?? 1080p video?? you NEED increased processing power to run that...the reason why WP7 handles things ok is because it is doing very simple things..like not running flash,not playing AA 3D games, WVGA screen, only 720 camera..etc etc.

Did i forget to metion that HTC ONE X has already been reviewed, and is just as slick as WP7, has BETTER batterylife, HD screen and 1080p, full multitasking...ill repeat it has BETTER battery life with the same battery...one last thing...ITS THINNER!!


RE: I think he's right
By dark matter on 4/14/2012 3:35:08 PM , Rating: 3
You don't need CPU power for 1080p. You're far more efficient from a power and heat perspective having that dealt with by dedicated circuits in the GPU.

Heck, even my E8400 struggled for doing 1080p without using the GPU.



RE: I think he's right
By french toast on 4/15/2012 3:06:45 AM , Rating: 2
Of course you need a powerfull GPU, the 808 purevew you linked has a better more powerfull gpu than Snapdragon in WP7..which helps it, HOWEVER if you want to be moving to HD screens you will need powerfull dual core processors to handle things like editing on that display..not to mention gaming becomes multiple times harder beacuase of the resolution....the 808 pureview only has a 640x360 nHD screen @ 3.5inchs.

Just take the new ipad for example...it has 2 Cortex A9's 1gb ram,quad channel memory and 4 SGX 543's @ 250mhz....and it struggles with imovie video editing....


RE: I think he's right
By Gungel on 4/15/2012 7:54:58 AM , Rating: 2
And that's why WP8 runs multi core to support all these new features like PureView, 1080p, Kinect, etc.


RE: I think he's right
By french toast on 4/14/2012 11:40:22 AM , Rating: 1
IOS has movie edditing software that even the dual core A5X struggles with..so it IS needed.

Games make use of multi cores and more power, so does running multiple apps whilst doing somplicated things all at the same time..like streaming/downloading, whilst listening to music/ whilst playing GTA3, with 8 tabs on the go..

Alos what about HD displays?? 1080p video?? you NEED increased processing power to run that...the reason why WP7 handles things ok is because it is doing very simple things..like not running flash,not playing AA 3D games, WVGA screen, only 720 camera..etc etc.

Did i forget to metion that HTC ONE X has already been reviewed, and is just as slick as WP7, has BETTER batterylife, HD screen and 1080p, full multitasking...ill repeat it has BETTER battery life with the same battery...one last thing...ITS THINNER!!


RE: I think he's right
By dark matter on 4/14/2012 3:40:44 PM , Rating: 3
Damn, it's those complicated things I do on my phone that stops me using my single core phone. If only I had another core, my life would be complete, and I could finally crack those complicated things that are holding me back.


RE: I think he's right
By Reclaimer77 on 4/14/2012 5:02:05 PM , Rating: 2
Bad troll is bad.

I think French Toast here is maybe the only guy that actually GETS smartphones here. Besides me of course.

Not sure how lobbying for lower specs in a tech market with explosive innovative growth is going to work. I can assure you it's NEVER worked in the past.

I'm sick about hearing from ignorant people that WP7's interface when it's doing nothing feels "smooth", so that must mean WP7 is doing "more with less". Wrong! As French pointed out already a gillion times, WP7 does LESS with LESS. While having worst battery life!

I hope WP7 fails because having ONE company with a following of morons who believe their products are magical and special (you know who you are iTards) no matter what is quite bad enough. We don't need two. If the vocal majority of WP7 users are as freaking ignorant and gullible as you lot, we're all in trouble.


RE: I think he's right
By french toast on 4/15/2012 3:23:14 AM , Rating: 2
Yea too right, i think some people need there head testing..why wouldn't you want better stuff in your phone?? if there is no solid reason for it..why would you NOT want beeter features and processing just for the hell of it??

WP7 are the same price as high end androids, they are thicker...have worse battery life....have less processing, and have lower resolution screens.theydont even let you do proper multitasking to 'save power' yet i repeat where is the evidence of all this 'power saving'??

I like Nokia, and i will be buying a WP8 pone when they arrive, because by then this ''single core/crap screen/crap camera'' rubbish would have stopped.


RE: I think he's right
By glennco on 4/16/2012 3:21:17 AM , Rating: 2
i'm sick of reading obnoxious douchebags that just insult everyone else. and now they are joining forces haha


RE: I think he's right
By french toast on 4/17/2012 9:26:16 AM , Rating: 2
ROTFL ;)


RE: I think he's right
By InvertMe on 4/17/2012 9:29:29 AM , Rating: 2
Insecure android fanatics are pretty much out of control these days. They cannot handle the competition and know that Android is a mess. User feedback is very telling - people are not happy with Android and it has a lower re-purchase than other mobile OSes.


RE: I think he's right
By french toast on 4/17/2012 1:38:55 PM , Rating: 2
Im not an android fanatic..im just waiting till WP8 fixes the flaws and the app selection gets tempting.


RE: I think he's right
By HackSacken on 4/16/2012 4:19:00 PM , Rating: 3
I'll take a phone that is simple, functional, and stable over a phone that gives me extra features when the most basic duties are a gamble. No headaches are a solid reason for me. Keywords, "for me."


RE: I think he's right
By Reclaimer77 on 4/16/2012 7:46:47 PM , Rating: 1
That's called a "flip phone", something I think some of you would be infinitely happier with.

You know what, maybe I'm just a big geek. But when I started messing with computers the idea that we could pack this much power and capability into the palm of our hands would have, literally, exploded my brain. Why don't you anti-spec's people calm down, shut up, and just appreciate the miracle for what it is. Okay? If you don't want it, don't buy it. But stop telling the rest of us what we don't "need" specs wise.


RE: I think he's right
By french toast on 4/17/2012 8:40:13 AM , Rating: 2
Couldn't agree more with that assessment..its a high end £450 SMARTPHONE we are talking about...if you like a simple sleek phone, that does the basics..great!, no problem there are plenty of cheaper phones that do that job perfectly, hell if you want a WP you can pick up a cheap Nokia Lumia 610 that pretty does the same things as a high end one...and save your self the money.

Complaining that you DON'T want high end hardware on a high end expensive phone is absurd...its like walking into a ferrari garage, handing over your £150,000 then complaining that it has too many features and a too powerfull engine..as you are quite happy only going to the shops!! You would get laughed out of town..stupid! ;)


RE: I think he's right
By HackSacken on 4/17/2012 9:38:20 AM , Rating: 2
I think you are making an exaggeration for the sake of your argument. You're jumping from apples to oranges.

Regardless, I suppose I could have just been more clearer: A smartphone that is simple, functional, and stable is way more appealing no matter what it takes spec wise. In this present day, when doing a current comparison, some do it better with less and can possibly allow the statement of, "seldom useful," to be fairly accurate.

I'm not anti-specs and never stated it was absurd of any sort. I was stating the fact that it seems the opportunity cost of getting all those extra-specs is not currently worth it. I also stated, "for me." Hell, I stated it twice... and now a third time. Maybe you'll see it this time.


RE: I think he's right
By french toast on 4/17/2012 1:40:46 PM , Rating: 2
Fair play..point taken.


RE: I think he's right
By Skywalker123 on 4/18/2012 4:13:00 AM , Rating: 1
Your brain did explode, thats why you're so stupid.


RE: I think he's right
By InvertMe on 4/17/2012 8:29:51 AM , Rating: 2
You do realize the irony of YOU calling anyone a troll?


RE: I think he's right
By Skywalker123 on 4/18/2012 4:11:15 AM , Rating: 1
you're an idiot


RE: I think he's right
By jnemesh on 4/16/2012 12:29:12 PM , Rating: 2
What else would he say? It's obvious to EVERYONE but him and Steve Ballmer that their phones are underpowered!

For a PHONE, a single core CPU is just fine...but these aren't "just phones" we are talking about are they? These are the next generation of personal computers! They handle everything from web browsing to social media to games and entertainment, not just your phone, text messaging and contact lists! They are cameras, camcorders, word processors, arcade machines, health monitors, GPS units, etc etc etc.

To say that more processing power is "not needed" is a VERY shortsighted view! In my opinion (and probably EVERY computer and smartphone user in existence!) you can NEVER have enough power! I want a 144 core 3D architecture CPU with a quantum GPU in my phone! I want graphics so lifelike, I can not tell the difference between rendered graphics and real life! I want a phone more powerful than a desktop or notebook computer! And, oh yeah, I want it YESTERDAY! :)

Elop is trying to spin his underpowered "flagship" phone, and tell everyone that what he has is enough...and he is WRONG. This mentality will be reflected in phone sales as well as Nokia's share price...just watch!


RE: I think he's right
By french toast on 4/17/2012 8:46:06 AM , Rating: 2
Yes you have hit the nail on the head perfectly...propaganda..had he said that WP is just as smooth than Android that needs plenty of power, and left it at that, fine he would be correct, but to wrongly lie about multicores draining your battery is bang out of order!..he could at least provide some examples where a single core phone gets better battery life than a dual core...its actually the opposite!.


Ask Any Gamer
By TileGuyJesse on 4/13/2012 8:51:40 PM , Rating: 2
I or any other gamer that builds his own rig could have told you the same thing. You want performance doing one thing REALLY well such as a phone OS or a graphic-intense game, go with a good single core CPU or Dual-Core at the most. The crashes and freezes really showed up with multi-core CPU's.
(I've since put all my games on a dual-core rig.)
Personally, I LOVE the smoothness of the Windows phone. ..and it's only getting better now that Nokia is at the hardware helm.




RE: Ask Any Gamer
By Cheesew1z69 on 4/13/2012 9:28:03 PM , Rating: 3
Really? They do? Funny, I am running a 6 core AMD and my games don't crash. Perhaps if you had crashing, it may be an PEBKAC error?


lame wriiting
By poohbear on 4/14/2012 5:36:52 AM , Rating: 2
"It's worth noting that this isn't the first time Nokia's CEO has poo-pooed on the suggestion of multi-core."


wow, the writer of this article lost all credibility as a writer after i read that! u can't think up a better way to express this than by using a 4 yr old's term?




RE: lame wriiting
By Solice55 on 4/17/2012 10:08:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
wow, the writer of this article lost all credibility as a writer after i read that! u can't think up a better way to express this than by using a 4 yr old's term?

Wow. The writer of this comment lost all credibility as a commenter after I read this. Can't you think of a better way to express your disdain of another person's writing style without using loltxt-speak?


Garbage collector
By Art0301 on 4/17/2012 9:08:14 AM , Rating: 2
Even in a single threaded application there is a good reason for having two cores. If the app is written in C++, as they all used to be, any objects that are created on the heap must be deleted after they are no longer needed. Other wise you run out of memory. Java introduced the "garbage collector", which automatically deletes objects off of the heap when they have not been accessed for a certain period of time. However, when the garbage collector kicks in, it eats up a lot of CPU cycles. This can make the system sluggish. Android apps are written in Java. Most Windows Phone apps are written in C#, which also uses a garbage collector. So, with a dual core CPU, the second core is available to run the garbage collector and the running of the app is not slowed down.




RE: Garbage collector
By french toast on 4/17/2012 1:43:27 PM , Rating: 2
Can you email Elop with that please ;)


...Riiight
By StrangerGuy on 4/14/2012 1:29:53 AM , Rating: 1
Not surprising since this is also the same Nokia who refuses to make 3.5mm audio jacks standard over the last decade.




RE: ...Riiight
By CyCl0n3 on 4/15/2012 11:22:32 AM , Rating: 2
When was the last time you used a Nokia device? My last 2 devices had allready 3,5mm audio jack.


Plants vs Zombies is already on WP7
By Pirks on 4/13/2012 6:46:34 PM , Rating: 2
I just purchased this game yesterday on Marketplace, Jason check you facts!

And where's you dam' Lumia 900 review huh? Come on, hurry up man :)))




This is wrong
By Varun on 4/16/2012 1:22:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Stephen Elop is cited as saying Nokia has never lost the contest, yet, perhaps not counting that technical loss a true loss. It's worth noting that this isn't the first time Nokia's CEO has poo-pooed on the suggestion of multi-core.


This has nothing to do with the contest that Microsoft held. Nokia is doing their own version. Why would he include results from another set of tests?

I know you guys just love to link your stories together, but this is terrible.




Refused to give prize.
By Silent-Ninja on 4/13/2012 9:04:57 PM , Rating: 1
Thats pretty crappy, for that guy to win and then they said "We are not going to give you a prize" .

Makes you wonder about all of those other "prizes" Microsoft says they give people. I bet the prizes they give away is just ploys and the videos of people receiving a prize is an actor.

No one has mention that after Firefox Aurora came out (The hi-def browser from Firefox, released in January 2012) -- Microsoft releases IE 10 with High-pixel contrast, as well as, Microsoft smart phone can now do High-pixelation images.

Not only is Microsoft greedy, but it appears that corporation is using open source tech to make their latest products. I hope Microsoft finally goes under. No more with their screwing around people, stealing privacy information, stealing programmers ideas, and using open source tech as their own.




Android is poorly written
By tayb on 4/14/12, Rating: 0
FAIL
By ritualm on 4/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: FAIL
By inteli722 on 4/13/2012 6:12:36 PM , Rating: 2
Well, he was talking about phones ... not laptops.


RE: FAIL
By haukionkannel on 4/13/2012 6:21:11 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm... He must be talking about relative speed, related to battery usage. It is possible that in phones we are in the same situation like there were in desktop computer many years ago. Fast single core was batter than slow multicore.
But is is guite easy to say that it is going to same situation. More cores are needed for more speed. When that "more speed" is needed is harder to say.
I am guite sure that you can get more speed from multicore system even now, but is it worth the reduced usage time... maybe not.


RE: FAIL
By ritualm on 4/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: FAIL
By menting on 4/13/2012 7:05:13 PM , Rating: 5
wow, you are wrong on so many levels it's pretty funny.

speed is wasted when it's idle? uhh...where have you been these few years? haven't you not heard of processors running at a lower frequency/voltage when it's idle?

Intel stopped trying hard to break 4GHz stock on single cores because of process nodes, not because slow multi-cores are better than fast single cores.


RE: FAIL
By ritualm on 4/13/2012 7:22:03 PM , Rating: 1
Intel stopped trying to break 4GHz stock on single cores because it ran into the power wall, process nodes had nothing to do with it.

Fast single cores don't make sense for phones unless you need to save money, at which case it also means you don't care much about performance.


RE: FAIL
By Makaveli on 4/13/2012 8:29:18 PM , Rating: 2
"Intel stopped trying to break 4GHz stock on single cores because it ran into the power wall, process nodes had nothing to do with it."

This is the only thing you posted that is correct the rest is rubbish.

What are you going to do with a quadcore cpu in your phone really?

Is what you are doing on a phone really multitasking or just task switching. How many apps can you actually use on a phone which has a small screen and limited by battery power all at the same time.

You are still just doing one task at time.

I think for now he is correct they don't need to be playing the specs game at this moment they need to produce a good product that just works that people want to buy.

When the time is right then move up the cores.


RE: FAIL
By french toast on 4/14/2012 11:20:09 AM , Rating: 2
NO that is not what he is saying at all, he says that they are a complete waste of battery...that is WRONG!!..check reviews of Tegra 3 and Snapdragon S4?? its bullsh*t!.

As some have stated, although many apps are not multithreaded, many things are spread scross more cores, which enables the processors to runa a lower voltage/speed which SAVES power...not to mention you have acess to more power oin demand when you need it.

The lack of processing power is the sole reason WP7 does not have access to 1080p video tech and proper multitasking ala Meego/Android/Symbian....it also doesn't allow any grapgics intensive games..

So yes current nokias perform well with crap hardware..thats because they have very simple features that don't match android or ios...no AA games nothing.


RE: FAIL
By someguy123 on 4/13/2012 9:05:37 PM , Rating: 2
If a smaller process were available at the time the shrink would've enabled them to push netburst up over 4ghz. Still, netburst itself wasn't a very efficient architecture and the increase in frequency didn't negate the lower IPC and misprediction problems due to increase in pipeline stages.

Peformance on a multicore system doesn't just come from thin air. Applications need to be threaded properly to make use of more cores. Even then it will not necessarily scale as well as simply more IPC/frequency on a single core. Right now WP7 phones perform pretty well even though it's "only" one core, because the software is there. One cannot work well without the other.


RE: FAIL
By Silent-Ninja on 4/13/2012 9:13:05 PM , Rating: 2
Phones do not need to compute so much data. Why is it so important to have a phone that is a computer?

A phone could be more like a console, have a very limited kernel but can run a complication of stand alone software. The firm reason is that there is not a keyboard or GUI. PS Vita has used that initiative and is on the right track with that conception.


RE: FAIL
By someguy123 on 4/13/2012 10:04:49 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you that phones don't necessarily need massive power hungry processors, mostly due to physical limitations of batteries, but there is a market out there that would like to see it regardless of the poor battery life. Current phones aren't all that dissimilar to consoles, though, at least in terms of reduced overhead. Android doesn't seem to be as efficient with its hardware as WP7/iOS, but they all share that same mentality in order to get these relatively low power ARM/imgtec processors delivering decent output.


RE: FAIL
By french toast on 4/14/2012 11:52:02 AM , Rating: 2
Your right Android is an inefficient mess, however you get increased power, and im fed up with people saying multicores are 'power hungry' where are they?? evidence points to battery being BETTER than single cores running intensive scenarios like 4 tabbed browsing/listerning to music/whilst downloading several apps all at the same time..

Because it spreads the loads across more cores..not only giving increased performance and making the syatem run smooth, but also allowing the cores to run at a lower voltage/clockspeed = LOWER POWER.

When you are not doing intensive things they can be POWER GATED OFF so they don't use extra power.

This whole power hungry multicore rubbish is pushing the industry backwards by duping people with FALSE information...all because ELOP doesn't have access to/or doesn't want to budget for up to date hardware.

Its all false propaganda to help WP7 sell, its not based on any fact at all.


RE: FAIL
By TakinYourPoints on 4/15/2012 12:02:08 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly right. iDevices have excellent efficiency and battery life. Despite having great UI performance, WP7 devices still need extra horsepower for basic functions (web browsing) and more advanced applications. iPhones and iPads have great battery life, but they still have plenty of horsepower for more advanced applications. Forget high res 3D games, things like image and video editors are what really stress the SoC. Applications such as these would be terrible on WP7.

As you said, Android is inefficient but at least it makes it up with faster hardware and large batteries.

Elop is making terrible excuses for WP7 hardware right now. More power is always better and it isn't necessarily at the expense of battery life. It is too bad because WP7 is a good platform at its fundamental core.


RE: FAIL
By french toast on 4/15/2012 3:14:58 AM , Rating: 2
I like Nokia, but this elop is really making himself out to be out of touch with the industry..he is trying to copy iphone mentality of 2007...Apple has moved on from there and now has powerfull processors AND the best batterylife..he is an idiot!.


RE: FAIL
By TakinYourPoints on 4/15/2012 6:53:04 AM , Rating: 2
Technology has moved on from there, that's the thing. SoCs and batteries in 2007 weren't what they were now. Apple continually adopted faster components and higher quality displays while balancing towards good battery life. They have done so to such an extent that the iPad SoC is nearly the size of a laptop CPU and the battery was nearly doubled in size, all to properly support that 2048x1536 display.

Anyone saying "enough" in tech is kidding themselves. The Tegra 3 wasn't "enough" last year, but I think tablet manufacturers and NVIDIA know that and they aren't going to make excuses for it the same way Elop is. Again, it is a shame because WP7 deserves better, especially from their main hardware partner.


RE: FAIL
By french toast on 4/15/2012 11:47:07 AM , Rating: 2
Yep i couldnt agree more. He is going to look like a right tit in 6 months when dual core WP8 Nokias role into town..what will be his excuse then?? is he still going to be peddling the lie that ''dual cores waste your battery?''
No i didnt think so.

Tech always moves on...thats why its called a smartphone..if your happy making phone calls and txting..save your money and buy a feature phone.


RE: FAIL
By menting on 4/15/2012 2:41:36 AM , Rating: 2
uhh..power wall has EVERYTHING to do with process node. smaller feature size = less power.


RE: FAIL
By french toast on 4/15/2012 5:02:51 AM , Rating: 2
Correct..smaller process node =less leakage..also dropping voltage is even better for dropping power consumption...hence why multicores make sense for that purpose..


RE: FAIL
By Etsp on 4/16/2012 10:53:52 AM , Rating: 2
Er, with all else equal, smaller process node = MORE leakage.


RE: FAIL
By french toast on 4/17/2012 8:51:35 AM , Rating: 2
Ha! you may have got me there ;) but smaller node generally means lower power consumption, i would assume HKMG would alleviate some of that leakage and allow the processor to run at a lower voltage= more battery!


Ah yes
By DigitalFreak on 4/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: Ah yes
By curelom on 4/13/2012 6:35:42 PM , Rating: 4
Didn't you read the whole article?

Microsoft, for its part, says it will soon offer a new version of Windows Phone that includes multi-core support, though enthusiasm at Nokia about this development appears to be lacking.


RE: Ah yes
By vignyan on 4/15/2012 3:55:41 AM , Rating: 2
True... A reliable source from Q'comm informed me that going quad-core is mostly useless- though that was only with Android testing.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/12, Rating: -1
RE: Ah yes
By Pirks on 4/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: Ah yes
By TakinYourPoints on 4/13/2012 10:45:41 PM , Rating: 2
It is great that WP7 is so smooth with "slower" components; that OS optimization has been a big advantage for WP7 and iOS over Android for years now. That said, I really dislike Elop saying that faster hardware isn't necessary. Just because it is optimized well for single core doesn't mean that applications won't take advantage of having more horsepower to work with. Some iOS apps (image and video editing in particular) really push the iPhone and iPad SoCs right now, and those are among the fastest around. They are far and away the fastest in terms of the GPU, and I don't think anyone logically thinks that it is "enough" and that it shouldn't keep improving.

WP7 is great on single core SoCs, but it would be even better on faster hardware. Bringing battery life into the argument is also silly, the iPhone/iPad use cutting edge SoCs and still have among the best battery life out there. Elop using battery life to justify single core is a really poor excuse.


RE: Ah yes
By StevoLincolnite on 4/14/2012 1:02:28 AM , Rating: 3
I agree, faster hardware would be better. And a much faster Graphics chip especially for games.

I mean, the phone is called "Windows" and it does have Xbox Live! integration which are some of the two largest platforms for games, you would think Microsoft would have leveraged that more by bringing some of the good classic games of the past to the platform.
Heck, Halo helped put the Xbox on the map by getting people to talk and then buy the console, I don't see why the same tactic again wouldn't help their phones.

I also liked this part of the article:
quote:
almost PC-quality games like Infinity Blade


I just choked on a chicken bone.
Infinity Blade is no where near PC quality.
Perhaps Wii Quality... maybe, but no where near the PC.

Take a look at this screen shot for instance: http://i.imgur.com/tC6pc.jpg

If you look closely, the background is all pre-rendered and low resolution, the textures are all low resolution, hardly any polygons in the characters.
The Grass, Bamboo etc' are all 2D sprites.

What Epic games have done is fooled you with great art to give scenes complexity when their isn't any.
It doesn't hold a candle to PC games in Eyefinity, with copious amounts of Anti-Aliasing, Anisotropic Filtering, Tessellation, High Resolution textures and models, high quality sound and actual depth to the game play.


RE: Ah yes
By Jeremy87 on 4/14/2012 8:34:00 AM , Rating: 2
He isn't saying faster hardware is unnecessary. He says dual-cores are.
For the record, I disagree. Quad-cores are unnecessary, but a dual-core with power-gating could prove useful. But for the simple tasks you do on a phone, faster cores are better than more of them.


RE: Ah yes
By Totally on 4/14/2012 11:46:16 AM , Rating: 2
Enjoyed optimization for years now??? Last time I checked WP7 was rewritten and released after iOS and Android. Just wow. I agree with the CEO here faster hardware isn't the answer poorly written software.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/14/2012 12:00:12 PM , Rating: 1
Can you read?? that has nothing to do with it, yes WP7 is newer and slicker fair enough..but where are the high end apps?? where are the HD screens?? where are the 1080p video recording?? where is the proper multitasking?? how come dual and quad core phones with all those ADVANCED features currently ave both BETTER battery and are slimmer?? how come in some instances offers aside are actually CHEAPER??


RE: Ah yes
By dark matter on 4/14/2012 3:39:06 PM , Rating: 2
1080p video recording on ANY mobile phone is a joke. If I need to explain why, then that really does sum you up.



RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/2012 2:48:42 AM , Rating: 2
Why?? the video recording of Lumia as well as the camera has been critised as sub standard..it needs 1080p recording and powerfull processors to edit it..

For the screen 720p is the high end smartphone standard, again that needs increased power/ram to do it as everything on the screen is multiple times harder to render.


RE: Ah yes
By CyCl0n3 on 4/16/2012 12:54:34 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly!
Same goes for pictures from the 8MP+ cameras on Phones with a sensor so small you barely can see them.
The quality is not going to get any better just because a phone can take more MP or process 1080p in comparison to 720p.


RE: Ah yes
By Totally on 4/15/2012 9:00:01 AM , Rating: 1
where are the HD screens??

It's a phone. Screens aren't that big to for it to matter.

where are the 1080p video recording??

It's a phone.

where is the proper multitasking??

It's a phone, on 4.x" screens proper multitasking isn't possible on practical level. If you don't understand that than you don't understand multitasking

how come dual and quad core phones with all those ADVANCED features currently ave both BETTER battery and are slimmer?? how come in some instances offers aside are actually CHEAPER??

Bag of words? hold on

"How come dual core phones with all those ADVANCED features currently have both BETTER battery life and are slimmer??"

At a glance, larger batteries or lower hardware power demands i.e. smaller screens.

"how come quad core phones with all those ADVANCED features currently have both BETTER battery and are slimmer??"

Because there aren't any with better battery life.

"how come in some instances offers aside are actually CHEAPER??

Cool bro, As a consumer, I don't care about MSRP.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/2012 11:27:44 AM , Rating: 2
-Wrong!! the sweet spot is around 326ppi to get around that for a decent 4.65 screen you need 720P..there have been many phones already that boast this resolution..

-Ha you can't be serious? again why have cameras on a phone? don't be stupid its a high end smart phone..we have had 1080p since last year on Android and IOS...get with it.

-Yes it is practical on 4.x screen! ever heard of app switching??

-For a start i was refering to the HTC ONE X..which has..the same size battery as Lumia 900..a BIGGER HD SCREEN, twice the ram, much much more powerfull graphics, quad core A9@1.5ghz...FULL MULTITASKING...and is only 9mm thin compared to 11-12mm for the Lumias...the HTC ONE X despite the increase in features gets BETTER BATTERYLIFE..WHILST DOING MORE COMPLICATED THINGS (read takes more power)
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-one-x-review-02220844...

You sound like you would be happy with a midrange smartphone or feature phone...good for you just dont ruin it for the rest of us.


RE: Ah yes
By melgross on 4/16/2012 10:56:41 AM , Rating: 2
Wow! Made up a lot of false arguments haven't you? Just to mention one thing. 1080p video on some phones is recorded pretty well. And if you think the only place it will be viewed is on the phone, then you have a very limited understanding of what people do with these things.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/17/2012 8:56:52 AM , Rating: 2
Ahh.we have come across someone with some common sense.;)


RE: Ah yes
By sprockkets on 4/14/2012 1:44:53 AM , Rating: 1
So pirks how many quad core phones you used? Cause there's only one, and it already has ics and has no lag whatsoever. In other words you just made stuff up.

How bout let's see how well wp7 can play the daily show via hdmi while it is seeding it on BitTorrent and the Colbert report is downloading in the background. Apple would fail immediately since they don't allow by apps.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/14/2012 11:31:27 AM , Rating: 5
You do know that the 'quad core battery guzzlers' aka HTC ONE X have BETTER batterylife than Wp7 phones don't you???

AND that is with a much higher resolution/higher powered screen/ twice the ram with proper multitasking (takes power) whilst doing more advanced things/playing more advanced games???

This whole 'anything more than a single core is a waste' is a load of bulls*it peddled by a desperate CEO who has been accused of being a trojan horse, such as the fall of his company since he took the rains.


RE: Ah yes
By Mitch101 on 4/14/2012 12:55:45 PM , Rating: 1
While Windows Phones are Single Core they leverage the GPU for specific tasks so even a single core WP7 is really dual core. It how a WP7 Phone is so smooth is because it was written with extreme efficiency.

The X-Box 1 was a 733mhz CPU with 64meg ram and played some pretty incredible games. Current Windows phones have much more than that but somehow we need more CPU/GPU for a 5" screen?

Are there that many Applied Physics majors with the need for super computers in their pockets running earth simulators out there?


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/14/2012 1:52:20 PM , Rating: 4
You don't get it do you, do you think gpu acceleration is unique to WP7?? even SYMBIAN has got it! so has android..that has nothing to do with what im talking about, or multicores...and no it doesn't count as a dual core at all.

All of the advanced features and games that are currently on Android and ios such as HD screens, 1080P, video editing,proper multitasking etc etc require multicore processors AND powerfull gpu's..thats why Microsft is finally adding those features in WP8...why would they be adding them if they didnt need them??

I will repeat, for advanced funtions and improved batterylife whilst those advanced funcions you need modern/advanced hardware..in this case muticores.


RE: Ah yes
By djdjohnson on 4/14/12, Rating: 0
RE: Ah yes
By sprockkets on 4/14/2012 5:37:49 PM , Rating: 2
It's part of the os - aosp or customized.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/2012 2:55:21 AM , Rating: 2
Yes what he said, its actually built into the OS..so you don't have to code for it..only in certain apps..obviously games HAVE to use the GPU by default as they wouldn't work ;)


RE: Ah yes
By Zarsky on 4/14/2012 6:55:06 PM , Rating: 2
May I remind you of the Nokia 808 Pureview, with 1080p video.

It has a single-core ARM11 clocked @1,3GHz, and it runs 1080p just fine because of the DSP.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/2012 2:53:00 AM , Rating: 2
To be fair Symbian is very efficient...BUT look at the screen resolution...its not 720p or even WVGA is it???


RE: Ah yes
By CyCl0n3 on 4/15/2012 3:02:59 PM , Rating: 2
Do you really need a HD Screen on your phone?
I mean HD recording and playback i get, but for a Phone <4" im not really sure its the thing which i would put on the most wanted list for a phone. I would rather watch the HD recordings on a tab or TV/PC.
So way better battery life for a minimal quality difference.


RE: Ah yes
By Mitch101 on 4/15/2012 5:33:47 PM , Rating: 3
If one device can do it they people with the smallest penises will be lined up to buy it and tell everyone out there how inferior thier device is without it. The mega power phone is the new e-penis since you cant whip your real one out in public. The good part is girls can quickly identify the people who feel the need to make a statement with thier toys and quickly take them for thier money. Its a status phone over function phone.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/17/2012 9:11:58 AM , Rating: 2
You need anything..its desirable, if you don't want it then don't buy it!! lol, i dont get the argument i really dont, there are loads of simple midrange smartphones that do exactly what you want..even a Lumia 610 would suit your needs fine.


RE: Ah yes
By Mitch101 on 4/15/2012 11:10:36 AM , Rating: 2
They are the same people will buy multiple GPU's and run it on a monitor that only displays at 60hz but claim to get 200FPS. I know a few of these types they replace thier hardware every 6-12 months without having any apps that need more power. They claim battery life but its never based on the screen being backlit. They dont get how optimized software can make the lowely 733mhz X-Box run Doom3 while it takes thre times more cpu to run it on a PC. No sense in reasoning with them they will need to upgrade once someone has a bigger faster phone than them.


RE: Ah yes
By Mitch101 on 4/15/2012 11:15:43 AM , Rating: 2
To answer your question because there are a number of stupid people who think more is better so Windows 8 phones will pack in the latest hardware so that the stupid can buy the windows phone based on the hardware specs. They wont be able to run anything more than any other windows phone user using a 1.3ghz single core but they dont know that they are all about the hardware specs. So why not make a phone for the foolish who need to upgrade every time someone has a bigger e-penis than thiers.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/2012 11:32:45 AM , Rating: 2
No you wont be able to do all the same things dumbass..because wp8 is a comppetely new operating system, based on Windows 8..so those apps will not run on W7..

The hardware and camera capabilities like the pureview tech wont be on a wp7 device..the games wont be playable etc etc.

Listen if you are perfectly happy just reading some txt messages and phoning..then a smartphone is not the right thing for you..try a Nokia Asha..that might suit your needs better.


RE: Ah yes
By Gungel on 4/15/2012 12:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
Where did you hear that? Microsoft confirmed that WP7 apps will run on WP8 devices. Here is a snipped out of the press release:

"With regard to existing applications: today’s Windows Phone applications and games will run on the next major version of Windows Phone. Driving application compatibility is a function of Microsoft’s commitment to its developers. Regardless of what we release in terms of new developer features and functionality, we have made a large investment in protecting your existing investments."


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/2012 1:13:35 PM , Rating: 2
Where does that say a WP7 device will be able to play WP8 apps??

He was trying to say waiting for WP8 devices is pointless as they will both run the same apps, that is not true, you will able to play WP7 apps on your WP8 devices, but not WP8 apps on your WP7 devices...why? because WP8 uses windows 8 kernel, also the apps designed for WP8 will be made for more powerfull hardware in mind..of course WP7 users will get ports and certain simple apps..but not the high end ones they wont.


RE: Ah yes
By Mitch101 on 4/15/2012 5:29:04 PM , Rating: 2
Really Microsoft is going to dump thier 80,000+ Windows Phone 7 apps and makes everyone start over for Windows Phone 8? LOL. I sometimes stop coming to DT because some of the kids that go here are just too clueless. This is why Microsoft has such a bad rap there are too many clueless people out there.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/17/2012 9:04:57 AM , Rating: 2
Are you stupid? or are you just trolling? WP7 apps all 80,000 of them WILL work on WP8..where did i say different?? its the OTHER WAY AROUND..WP8 apps are not guarenteed to work on WP7..because its a completely new operating system with a new Kernel..no doubt some of them will get proted, but seeing as the instal base for WP7 is only a few million i doubt there will a huge developer interest..do you understand now??


RE: Ah yes
By Reclaimer77 on 4/14/2012 5:24:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The X-Box 1 was a 733mhz CPU with 64meg ram and played some pretty incredible games. Current Windows phones have much more than that but somehow we need more CPU/GPU for a 5" screen?


The original X-Box played those incredible games at a max resolution of 640x480 with no AA and DirectX 8.1 level graphics. So uhhhh, what?


RE: Ah yes
By Mitch101 on 4/15/2012 10:56:57 AM , Rating: 1
List of Xbox games with HD support
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_wi...

There was even one with 1080i support.

XBOX with XBMC will play some 720P content.


RE: Ah yes
By Reclaimer77 on 4/13/2012 10:51:19 PM , Rating: 2
Lol yeah pretty much. Company who only makes single core phones says dual core isn't important. How convenient...

In other news, Chik-fil-A says eating beef "hurts consumers, eat mor chiken".


RE: Ah yes
By Jeremy87 on 4/14/2012 8:30:32 AM , Rating: 3
Well, it would be more stupid to actually make a dual-core phone and say it's not necessary.


RE: Ah yes
By Reclaimer77 on 4/14/2012 8:50:10 AM , Rating: 2
If that we the case, he wouldn't be saying this at all of course.

Instead of making biased predictions about what phones "need", he should instead explain to stockholders how their most hyped "flagship" phone was launched in such a state that they ended up paying buyers $100 for their trouble.


RE: Ah yes
By themaster08 on 4/14/2012 9:52:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
their most hyped "flagship" phone was launched in such a state that they ended up paying buyers $100 for their trouble.
I wouldn't call a software bug that has now been fixed "such a state". It's not like this was a design fault like the iPhone 4.

Nokia's reaction to this issue has been fantastic. They immediately owned up to the problem, they've offerered customers $100 credit for their troubles, as well as working to fix the bug as soon as possible. A software update with the fix is now available and is 3 days early. What other company do you know that would do the same? That's excellent customer service.


RE: Ah yes
By CyCl0n3 on 4/15/2012 11:28:08 AM , Rating: 2
Very true!
I cant remember a company giving money to customers at all.
At least not for a fixable software bug.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/2012 11:35:38 AM , Rating: 2
It has to commended..however if they were not desperate they wouldn't be doing this.


RE: Ah yes
By CyCl0n3 on 4/15/2012 2:28:34 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldnt call it desperate, they might have learned from other companys mistakes and all they do is try to avoid doing the same mistake.

Anyhow I think its a good gesture independent from the motivation.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/17/2012 9:08:54 AM , Rating: 2
Yes i agree with you on this point..especially as i plan on buying a Nokia WP8 when it come out! ;)


RE: Ah yes
By semiconshawn on 4/15/2012 1:10:39 AM , Rating: 3
Name one company who's phones have been problem free? Then please explain which one handled a problem better? A fix in what a week? AND A $100 CREDIT!! Youre hating on a this? That is just trollin....


RE: Ah yes
By themaster08 on 4/15/2012 3:18:41 AM , Rating: 2
He's just another spec sheet obsessed fandroid. The type that spends more time getting his phone to do what he wants instead of enjoying it.

Where's the appeal with Android? It's a fragmented mess that's vulnerable to malware. The update system is diabolical. It's choppy and inconsistent (except on the most high-end hardware). It's at the mercy of carriers. It's a developer's nightmare. It shares all of the same traits as Symbian.

The only appeal is that it satisfies those who wish to spend more time tweaking their phone than actually using it, supports features such as MicroSD cards, and is available on low-end budget phones. Symbian has everything that Android has, as well as true pre-emptive multitasking since day 1 (not this recent application bullcrap), proper use of HDMI output and has had USB-OTG for years. Why aren't these guys waving their flag for Symbian, since everything they support Android for, Symbian does too, and has done for many years. It simply lacked the homebrew community support and an appealing UI (which it now has). If it wasn't for Cyanogenmod and the homebrew community, Android would be 10 times worse.

I've owned Android phones and have a HP Touchpad with Cyanogenmod 9 installed. The only advantage it has over WebOS is its application catalog, and appears to make better use of memory. It's nothing to write home about. WebOS is much better in many ways. Ways that matter in everyday use. Its multitasking is better. Its services integration is superior. Its notification system is on par with Android (which the notification system is excellent). Don't get me wrong I want Android to remain in the market and do well, because it means companies like Microsoft put out amazing products such as Windows Phone, and gives us the choice that we should have in such a fruitful market.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/2012 3:32:00 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with you, Android is a mess, but thats not the point..if you want to sell phones at high end smartphone money..they have to be high end smartphones...Lumia 900 does get close to one, almost everyother wp7 does not.

I f you are happy just reading some emails, playing angry birds and scrolling round the ui (simple things)..then you are a complete idiot if you want to go and spend £450 on a high end smartphone that only does that..when you could buy a midrange phone for £250 that does everything you want.

I like the slickness of wp7..but im not going to be ripped off with 2 year out of date hardware..i will wait till wp8 when we will get those things..

PS it doesnt help when you have an oiut of touch CEO basically making stuff up and lieing to flog his ailing phones..''multicores waste your battery'' lol..what a trojan horse.


RE: Ah yes
By melgross on 4/16/2012 11:08:27 AM , Rating: 2
No, they are desperate. With all of the talk that this is their last chance to sell WP7 in a way that makes it seem to be even slightly competitive, they have to do whatever they can to prevent consumers from staying away from the platform. With this phone being marketed as their high end model, they have no choice. If people are complaining, it will sink pretty fast, so they have to do whatever's required to prevent that from happening,, and they had to do it fast.

The problem for Microsoft and Nokia is that wp8 will obsolete all the WP7 phones sold, and on sale. They've got a short window before that happens. We are seeing the same problem with RIM. None of their BB7 phones, or earlier, will be able to use BB10 coming out late this year. No WP7 phones will be able to upgrade to wp8. Big problem.

But for Microsoft, the fact that they've hardly sold any WP7 phones is almost a blessing. There aren't that many WP7 owners around to complain.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/17/2012 9:15:20 AM , Rating: 2
Summed up pretty well, the WP7 is bascically to get the word out and a foot in the door, everyone knows WP8 is the real deal, the fact that microsoft hasnt got 40 millions people complaining about software upgrades and app compatability is really a bonus ;)


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/14/2012 11:26:26 AM , Rating: 2
ha ha i agree what a dumbass, ELOP is a complete idiot, he has cost the company BILLIONS in lost Meego/symbian sales by giving that ''burning oil platform'' memo and making the transition too rapid...he is a trojan horse.

Dual cores are such a waste of battery?? why doesn't he move out of the nineties..if you want complicated apps and features whilst having great batterylife you NEED multicores.

If it is not needed then why is Microsoft adding those features then in WP8?? I guarentee you Nokia will be adding Dual cores WP8 phones in the holiday period..then what will he say???


RE: Ah yes
By Gungel on 4/15/2012 7:49:21 AM , Rating: 2
Why they ad dual core is because they add features like a 41 mega pixel camera, Kinect gesture and voice control, 1080p recording, hi-res displays etc. But at the moment it is not needed and would just add battery drainage to the phone.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/2012 11:40:35 AM , Rating: 2
Do you not understand? how that can add more battery drainage to the phone today? but NOT be adding battery drainage to the phone in 4 months when it will be released??? whats the difference??

Other phones have this technolgy (not pureview) and it DOES NOT DRAIN THE BATTERY.....WP7 phones DONT have better battery than higher performing Android phones/Apple..its a myth, propaganda to dupe people into ignoring the fact Elop is has been undercutting customers...


RE: Ah yes
By Gungel on 4/15/2012 12:28:03 PM , Rating: 2
whats the difference?? New technology (Krait, Tegra4), optimized software, better batteries, etc.


RE: Ah yes
By french toast on 4/15/2012 1:19:19 PM , Rating: 2
No Tegra 4 is due in 2013, chips made now are practically the same ones when WP8 arrives, Krait and quad core phones are here now..they have all the advanced features that WP8 will bring, they also currently have better battery life than WP7 devices running old single cores and WVGA screens.

My point is Elop is either lieing or just missinformed when he equates 'multicores' with wasting battery..it doesntit improves it, im fed up of this false propaganda. (PS i like Nokia)


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