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2009 Nissan GT-R  (Source: Edmunds)

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2009 Nissan GT-R interior  (Source: Edmunds)

Multi-function display  (Source: Edmunds)
Nissan's GT-R looks to conquer all challengers

Nissan's 2009 GT-R has been labeled as the "second coming" ever since the original concept car was unveiled back in 2001. Gamers that have grown up racing previous generations in the Gran Turismo series eagerly awaited the official release of the new model -- even though not many can afford the nearly $80,000 USD asking price.

Those wishes came true last week when Motor Trend leaked the production GT-R to the public. As expected, the performance figures for the GT-R are nothing short of breath-taking (albeit quite similar to Chevrolet's Corvette Z06). The GT-R sports a 3.8 liter twin-turbo engine producing 473 HP and 434 lb-ft of torque. Sixty-miles-per-hour comes up in 3.5 seconds, the quarter-mile goes by in 11.7 seconds and the GT-R will race all the way up to 193 MPH.

An overabundance of electronic gizmos has always been a GT-R staple, so it should come as no surprise that the 3,800 lb monster features a computer-controlled AWD drivetrain which can send as much as 98 percent of power to the rear wheels, a paddle-shifted six-speed dual-clutch semi-automatic transmission and Bilstein Damptronic shocks.

One other piece of techno-gadgetry harkens back to the GT-R's PlayStation connection. The multi-function display (MFD) featured prominently on the GT-R's dash was developed in collaboration with none other than Polyphony Digital. Polyphony Digital is responsible for much-hyped Gran Turismo games for the PlayStation, PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3.

According to Edmunds, the MFD "can be used to monitor engine coolant temperature, oil temperature, oil pressure, transmission oil pressure, turbocharger boost pressure, torque split, throttle position, steering angle and longitudinal and lateral G-force."

All of the above information is stored and can be recalled to pin-point ways to improve a driver's skills be it finding optimum shift point among other things.
The arrival of the 2009 Nissan GT-R next year marks the first time that the company has officially marketed its high-end supercar to the American market. "Nissan" may not have the same ring as Ferrari, Lamborghini or Aston Martin, but we're all sure that the company will have no trouble selling every car that it imports to the States.

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By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 10:51:45 AM , Rating: 4
These cars are absolutely crazy. Ive been eyeing them since the Skyline GT-R's back in the early 90's.

I will definately be getting one of these to replace the BMW 335i in 2009 when my lease is up.

I am a bit scared to see what my insurance on one these will be.

RE: Nice
By kileil on 10/23/2007 11:47:26 AM , Rating: 2
I am a bit scared to see what my insurance on one these will be.

Crippling. Absolutely.

RE: Nice
By Master Kenobi on 10/23/2007 12:03:54 PM , Rating: 2
Probably. Insurance is the real killer these days, not the car prices lol.

RE: Nice
By Googer on 10/24/2007 11:07:51 PM , Rating: 3
Is it just me or doesn't the Corvette Z06 seem like a better value, it's 800+ pounds lighter, has more torque, more horsepower, has a Heads Up Display, and costs $10,000 less than the GTR, plus it's made by hard working Americans. And $10K will buy tons of performance addons for your 'vette, making it even faster than the Nissan. For me, it's Corvette for the win.

RE: Nice
By mdogs444 on 10/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: Nice
By Googer on 10/27/2007 2:16:24 AM , Rating: 3
Then please explain why, in 2006 Toyota was less reliable than GM, measured in vehicle defects and recalls. American Cars are high quality and anyone who says otherwise has a pair of blinds over their eyes or has stock in some company.

My last two early 90's Fords have so far required no major repairs (out side of belts, etc) than my 1990 Old Toyota.

RE: Nice
By Scrith on 10/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: Nice
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 12:13:17 PM , Rating: 2
I find that comment quite amusing.

If you dont like the car or find the car not practical for yourself, that a valid argument to like. But making a generalization just because you cannot have it is not the way to go.

So in response to your comment, I could very politely say "Would you like me to take you for a ride after you drop your wifes car off?"

RE: Nice
By johnsonx on 10/23/2007 12:20:58 PM , Rating: 5
offer him a ride after you drop his wife off!

RE: Nice
By FITCamaro on 10/23/2007 12:27:09 PM , Rating: 2
.....So you'd rather take a dude for a ride in a nice car than a chick?......does somebody have a rainbow bumper sticker on their car?

j/k :)

RE: Nice
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 12:28:47 PM , Rating: 2
LOL - yeah, I my explaination in my form of typing didnt exactly punch out what i meant.


RE: Nice
By johnsonx on 10/23/2007 12:32:08 PM , Rating: 3
If you were replying to me, my point was he could offer the guy a ride to check out the car after he was finished with his wife. No rainbow bumper sticker for either of us!

RE: Nice
By Parhel on 10/23/2007 1:12:35 PM , Rating: 2
I read that comment as "physically small," as in a large man probably couldn't fit into the vehicle.

RE: Nice
By FITCamaro on 10/23/2007 12:24:04 PM , Rating: 2
While I agree with you that some guys buy a car to compensate for other things, not all do. Some of us enjoy having a powerful car because we love the smell of fuel and burnt rubber.

You might be perfectly happy driving a Civic, some of us want more.

I think the new Cadillac commercials say it best. "The question is, when you turn your car on, does it return the favor?"

RE: Nice
By Brandon Hill on 10/23/2007 12:28:21 PM , Rating: 2
A base CTS could never turn me on. Now, the CTS-V with an LS7 OTOH is a whole different story.

RE: Nice
By bhieb on 10/23/2007 1:01:32 PM , Rating: 2
I own a '04 CTS-V, and although it is only 400hp and 4.9 to 60, it is pretty damn sweet for a 4 door (plus I got mine for $32K certified preowned with 18K miles). I actually went in to buy a new vette, and just could not do it. I have 2 young kids and the .2 seconds the V gives up in speed is more than made up for in style and space. I just cannot wait until the '09 comes out with 600hp and the new tammed down "blue devil" engine, and just as important a revised interior. Mine quite frankly looks like typical cheap GM plastic, the new ones however look great.

RE: Nice
By bhieb on 10/23/2007 1:04:38 PM , Rating: 2
On a side note, I really really hope they offer a "good" automatic. The 6-speed is nice, but honestly it revs so quick the vette's auto would be much better at shifting than I. What would be really nice is one of the semi-auto's like what is in the Nissan or the M3. Best of both worlds there, it is basically a computer shifted manual.

RE: Nice
By kenji4life on 10/24/2007 3:49:32 AM , Rating: 2

Of course as far as overall value goes, I'd really rather have a car that has half the horsepower and twice the fuel range..

The Corvette gets pretty good gas mileage if you don't rail on it all the time. Wonder how much better the GT-R's gas mileage will be now that they have retooled the VQ once again.

RE: Nice
By Chudilo on 10/24/2007 10:21:29 AM , Rating: 2
Yes but how does it handle?
The CTS that I tried drives leans side to side like a bus, and drives like a boat.

RE: Nice
By The0ne on 10/24/2007 4:21:16 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree. I make my purchase on many things and that includes whether I'm happy with owing and driving the car. I take weekends to drive and drive. I love driving. I love driving out in the mountains and country side. It's fantasic. And for the younger boys, I don't mean zipping through every road and corners. I mean just enjoying the ride (although sometimes it does include the zipping haha). For those fun and exciting rides I use my Impreza for that :)

I had plan on getting the GT-R, IS-F, IS350, STi or EvoX but I think I might favor the lower cost model. I'm heavily looking into the EvoX now as the new STi design doesn't do anything for me. I'll keep my old 98' Impreza for the dirt roads still. The IS-F is ok but the performance numbers aren't established yet. The GT-R would be nice but it's up their in price and the insurance will most likely be high. The IS350 is comfortable and I had seriously considered it because I'm older now ^^ but I wanted something fun to drive as well. If not the EvoX then I'll be saving up for the GT-R as those are my choices left.

RE: Nice
By One43637 on 10/23/2007 1:25:33 PM , Rating: 2

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By mdogs444 on 10/23/07, Rating: 5
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 10:51:45 AM , Rating: 5
These cars are absolutely crazy. Ive been eyeing them since the Skyline GT-R's back in the early 90's.

I will definately be getting one of these to replace the BMW 335i in 2009 when my lease is up.

I am a bit scared to see what my insurance on one these will be.

I agree the car's numbers look impressive, but I hope you're going to have enough for the markup on these things. Less then 80k price tag from the mags, but with dealer markup because of the demand (ie G35 coupe when it was released for Infiniti) I'm sure it will be closer to 86-90k.

RE: Nice
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 1:36:02 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I always lease cars anyway. My guess is its probably going to be in the range of $5,000 down, $600-700/mo.

RE: Nice
By IGoodwin on 10/23/2007 3:27:55 PM , Rating: 2
You might want to try an estimator!

More like 9K+ down and over 1400 per month on a lease.

RE: Nice
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 3:53:12 PM , Rating: 2
Doubtful, I just check the BMW lease calculator - yeah different brand, same calculator though...I was quite a few hundred short on the monthly payment, but way under your estimate.

Car: $84,000, 36 mo Lease, 10k mi per year

Down: $2500
Monthly: $1251

Down: $5000
Monthly: $1174

Down: $7500
Monthly: $1097

Down: $10,000
Monthly: $1019

To purchase: $10,000 down, 5% apr, 60 months = $1387/mo

RE: Nice
By Pneumothorax on 10/23/2007 6:29:09 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure the GTR's residual value and money factor are going to be quite different as BMW subsidizes their leases (they do this by either providing a lower money factor or giving an artificially high residual value). Therefore affecting your numbers. I don't think NIssan is going to be as generous.

RE: Nice
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 6:41:28 PM , Rating: 2
You may be correct, and only time will tell.

However, Im yet to see a lease first hand that its more expensive to lease the car than to buy the car - providing the same down payment.

RE: Nice
By gramboh on 10/23/2007 3:59:02 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, how do you afford the lease cost on a 335i and down the road a GT-R if you work in IT for a non-profit?

RE: Nice
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 4:15:53 PM , Rating: 2
Lets just say that when i was in high school & college, I saved up about $25,000 in 6-7 years. After college, a friend of mine who had just graduated with his masters in Architecture wanted to start his own firm. I helped him by investing all my money - which was %50 of his startup. I still invest, and I am still have a 50% stake in his company as an investor - he has an office in Beachwood, OH and a new one in Georgetown (Washington, DC). My investment & his successes have really paid off in the 7 years since he started up.

Since then, I have also invested into a company that provides credit assistance for people who have low credit scores and want financing for motorcycles. They provide very high interest rate loans for people with bad credit. Very successful.

So basically, I work because I enjoy my place of employment. I like to work in IT, but most of all because its for a good cause - helping children, both who's parents can afford it, as well as those who cannot.

My investments will help with my financial status for quite a while down the road, but i love my job and i still get paid well for doing it. After all, I didnt go to school for 2 bachelors and a masters to sit around home on my ass.

RE: Nice
By FITCamaro on 10/23/2007 4:16:45 PM , Rating: 2
Non-profit does not equal no pay or even low pay. Look at all the non-profit "charities" out there. Or those non-profit debt consolidation companies. They charge like $2500 for their services. The non-profit part just means that the company is not trying to make a profit from its revenues. Instead the money just goes to salaries, keeping equipment up to date, and advertising.

RE: Nice
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 4:27:02 PM , Rating: 2
Thats correct. In our case, the hospital, we get much of our revenue from health insurance claims - because of SCHIP that funds the low income familes, private insurance that funds the middle class and upper class families, as well as private donations. The revenue allows us to fund our own research center for diseases, etc, and allows us to provide care for people with no insurance at all, as well as illegals (but we wont get political here, with my conservative self :-) ). The rest of the revenue is used to take care of our employess (6000+ of them), and they do pay very well, have very good benefits including matching 8% of our salary - on top of our salary - to into our 401k in addition to what we put in and the 50% they match. BUt all in all, it really is a great cause, and if anything, helping children (who are not 25yrs old haha) who cannot help themselves really is gratifying work.

RE: Nice
By Parhel on 10/23/2007 4:35:22 PM , Rating: 2
I've done a lot of work with not-for-profit organizations, and in my experience it generally does translate to lower pay.

A former associate of mine was the GM for a large (1000+ employee) factory/warehouse facility that did contract work to employ the mentally handicapped. The "profit" went towards providing food and low cost housing for the employees. He was making about 50% of what most people in equivalent positions would make. But, he believed strongly in what he did and was willing to make that sacrifice.

I don't know about all NFPs, but charitable organizations are generally held to very high ethical standards and are extremely transparent financially.

RE: Nice
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 4:58:48 PM , Rating: 2
In some cases, Parhel is correct.

A girl friend of my works for a non profit called "Hard Hatted Women" (yes i tease her all the time about it), its a sort of "feminist" organization that works to put women in the workplace that are notoriously mens jobs - like construction. I think their CEO is only making $75k/yr. That sounds like a lot, and to many people, it is. But in the business world, that does not translate well at all to a CEO salary.

It really depends on the nature of the organization, what they stand for, and how much of the community backs the organization.

So as you can guess, most communities will donate more to a hospital setup to take care of underprivelaged children, as opposed to a small organization looking to put a certain classification of people into the workplace.

Most non profits employees are there because they want to be there and strongly believe in the cause. I happen to be one of them. But its not for everyone, if you are looking to get an extremely high paying job and quick advancement, then its probably not for you.

A few things.
By swtethan on 10/23/2007 11:48:31 AM , Rating: 2
Just a few things bother me about this car.

1. The front end styling has too much 350z ish look to it. I liked the look of the concept better. If you were going to buy a viper, it better not look like a neon.

2.Interior styling is ugly, center console is too plain, maybe they were going for that race car switchboard look.

That is all, just my opinion

RE: A few things.
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 11:54:20 AM , Rating: 3
1. The front end styling has too much 350z ish look to it. I liked the look of the concept better. If you were going to buy a viper, it better not look like a neon.

Well the concept of the Skyline was based on the 350z (G35/G37) platform, as well as design. So yes, there will be similarities - which also helps speed up and decrease the cost of production.

If the viper and neon were built on the same platform then im sure there would be some similarities in look/design.

2.Interior styling is ugly, center console is too plain, maybe they were going for that race car switchboard look.

I think the interior is great. Just my ipinion though.

RE: A few things.
By FITCamaro on 10/23/2007 12:19:29 PM , Rating: 2
I care more about the fact that it weighs a horrid 3800 pounds. A Z06 weighs nearly 800 pounds less than this thing. The 0-60 and 1/4 mile are about the same but thats mostly due to the AWD. But around the track, its going to be far worse since you have all that extra weight to lug around. I hope they put some amazing brakes on this thing.

RE: A few things.
By sj420 on 10/23/2007 12:25:19 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe acid dipping, etc cleaning up some of the junk weight would help out in that kind of situation. As for around the track you might want to put some upgrades in it to get past that 193MPH limit.

RE: A few things.
By Hoser McMoose on 10/23/2007 5:24:34 PM , Rating: 2
You're pretty much never going to hit 193mph on ANY production car on any sort of meaningful track. Even on a huge oval like Indy the cornering speed and acceleration/deceleration will determine your top speed, not the cars theoretical top speed (Indy cars themselves top out at around 220 or 230mph, and that's with half the weight, ~650hp and MUCH more grip through the corners). On a street circuit most cars are going to top out at 150mph or less on the longest straight before they have to break for the next turn. Simply put, top speed is NOT an issue, acceleration (in all directions) is.

Power to weight ratio is only one of the factors that determines a lap time around a track, and actually usually not the most important one. A car with a lower power to weight ratio but better tyres could easily beat out a more powerful competitor with street tires. Suspension, breaks and aerodynamics all play important roles as well, as do other power train components like the transmission.

RE: A few things.
By Malhavoc on 10/23/2007 2:33:20 PM , Rating: 2

Read this after checking someone else's link. But gives some good 'around the track' info to put you on the straight.

RE: A few things.
By FITCamaro on 10/23/2007 3:12:50 PM , Rating: 2
Impressive. One thing I'd be interested in knowing is the type of tires that come on the car.

RE: A few things.
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 3:14:39 PM , Rating: 3
They are round, low profile, and made of rubber....jk.

I really hope they are Yokohama Runflats, because the potholes in Columbus, OH will force me to get a new set of tires every damn year!

RE: A few things.
By Brandon Hill on 10/23/2007 12:24:35 PM , Rating: 3
I agree on the interior part. There is not "design" to the interior. It is just a convoluted mix of shapes just thrown in together. How that passed inspection is beyond me... there is just no apparent direction with the interior whatsoever... or maybe they were aiming for an 80's retro look? Either way, it looks horrible.

And the weight of this thing just boggles my mind. Sure, the Z06 doesn't have AWD or rear seats, but 600 pounds is a lot of weight!!! That's like 2.5 Rosie O'Donnells.

RE: A few things.
By JazzMang on 10/23/2007 12:53:19 PM , Rating: 2
More like 1.2 Rosies.


RE: A few things.
By Oscarine on 10/23/2007 2:37:49 PM , Rating: 2
Interior's have never been a strong point in the Skyline. I owned a nice R32 while living in Canada, and they were never very light, for an early 90's vehichle I think it weighed over 33-3400 lbs so an extra 400 over 2 generations is actually pretty good.

Check out pretty much any other car and its in line or less of a weight increase over time (safety etc etc).

Handling has always been good, I found the steering in the R32s and R34s to be top notch, less twitchy and more confident than an Evo, better feel than a STi, and certainly a more confident drive than any Corvette I've driven (never driven a Z06, but I have driven an '06).

80+ grand is steep, I'm just happy more enthusiasts cars are coming to the US.

What the...
By HaZaRd2K6 on 10/23/2007 1:02:37 PM , Rating: 2
Does anybody else think the back of the car looks like a Cobalt SS on steroids, or is it just me?

RE: What the...
By hrah20 on 10/23/2007 1:19:24 PM , Rating: 2
this car is based in the skyline which always had that style, I think it's the other way around.

RE: What the...
By jconan on 10/23/2007 8:47:46 PM , Rating: 2
RE: What the...
By HaZaRd2K6 on 10/24/2007 2:07:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I get that. But the old Skylines weren't as "curvy" as this one. And now that they've made it even curvier, it looks a lot like a Cobalt to me. Just my two cents.

By mdogs444 on 10/23/07, Rating: 0
RE: Nice
By Broken on 10/23/2007 5:42:11 PM , Rating: 1
Hahah, just wait until they make a Ztune edition. Last one was the quickest (note I didn't say fastest) production car in the world. Not sure about now though. Myself, I would prefer a 99+ R-34 GT-R. I like the exterior styling more. Never going to be able to afford either for quite a while, if ever.

RE: Nice
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 5:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
Very hard to get those in the states. It cost more to import and get them converted to us standards than to buy the damn car.

RE: Nice
By wetwareinterface on 10/24/2007 6:31:34 AM , Rating: 2
while definately a sweet car the nismo z-tune is not a production level car. they only made 20, which puts it squarely in the class of custom car. you need to make at least 500 to be a production vehicle.

in the price range ($160,000) and limited production run of the z-tune i can think of several cars i'd much rather get. not that the z-tune isn't a great car, it just wasn't $160,000 worth of great car.

By Samus on 10/23/2007 5:17:21 PM , Rating: 2
Anybody else notice the button "Carwings" below the center HUD. Last button I saw like that was on the DB7 Vanquish, but it was labeled "Rockets"

RE: carwings?
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 5:22:53 PM , Rating: 2
I hope pushing that button makes spikes come out of the wheels. then i can get rid of those people who like box you in on the freeway.

ha jk

One Word......
By LazyBoyTony on 10/23/2007 10:50:30 AM , Rating: 2

Nice car, but
By DukeN on 10/23/2007 1:08:09 PM , Rating: 2
too tall for it. And I'm only 6'4.

By vanka on 10/23/2007 3:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
even though not many cannot afford the nearly $80,000 USD asking price.

So I must be one of the few who cannot afford one, dang. I hope that kid at Burger King enjoys his GT-R.
</dry wit>

Remember, a double negative results in a positive.

What a "monster"
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 10/24/2007 8:35:01 AM , Rating: 2
Why in the heck would this car have to weigh 3800 lbs? I have a 4 door sedan, with 400+ lbs of hybrid batteries in the trunk, and it weighs 3700 lbs. Something is waaay wrong here. Even with AWD, this should not be more than 3200 tops. Imagine the performance if it was that much lighter.

By Casper42 on 10/26/2007 2:14:49 AM , Rating: 2
harkens back to the GT-R's PlayStation connection

The MFD is something the GTR had back in the R34 days and has nothing to do with the PlayStation.

Get a clue before writing this stuff.

By Casper42 on 10/26/2007 2:29:43 AM , Rating: 2
Toyota should take a bunch of that extra Prius profit and bring the Supra back to life. With as much hype as their is about the new GTR (Remember Kids, its no longer a "Skyline" according to Nissan), having a $20,000 cheaper Supra with similar performance stats would pickup alot of the people who just cant quite afford the 80K for the new GTR.

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