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Nissan Leaf
The 2013 model is expected to have a 25 percent boost, putting its U.S. EPA rating in the 90 mile range

New versions of Nissan's all-electric Leaf are expected to be a bit different with the 2013 model year.

According to High Gear Media, the 2013 Nissan Leaf will not only have new features like a 6.6 kilowatt charger and leather seats, but also a model with longer range and another with a smaller battery pack (which will be cheaper).

The Nissan Leaf is currently rated a 73 mile range by the EPA. This, of course, depends on factors like speed, the use of air conditioing/heat and the temperature outside. But the latest news report mentions that the 2013 model with a longer range will have a 25 percent improvement, putting the Leaf's U.S. EPA rating in the 90 mile range.

That kind of boost would put the Leaf ahead of EVs like the Ford Focus Electric, which has an EPA rating of 76 miles, and the Coda Sedan, which has an EPA rating of 88 miles.

The cheaper 2013 Leaf may only be released in Japan, but that hasn't been confirmed yet. The price of that model is unclear as well.

In addition to range, price and battery size changes, the 2013 Leaf models are expected to have design changes as well.

Nissan wasn't supposed to make many of these changes for at least another year, but with sales in the U.S. sitting at unimpressive numbers, Nissan recognizes that it's going to have to spruce the EV up in order to justify production at its Tennessee factory.

Earlier this month, it was reported that Nissan expected to sell 20,000 EVs in the U.S. during 2012, but has only sold 3,543 so far. Only 395 Leafs were sold alone in the month of July, which was a 58 percent drop compared to sales in July 2011.


Source: High Gear Media



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Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Dr of crap on 8/17/12, Rating: 0
RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By TSS on 8/17/12, Rating: -1
RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Flunk on 8/17/2012 9:23:10 AM , Rating: 5
EV cars won't have a problem, when we start running out of gas. That's what it will take.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By geddarkstorm on 8/17/2012 11:50:27 AM , Rating: 2
I guess in that sense, all these EV attempts and growing pains are good. Getting the technology ready for that eventual 50 to 100 years from now, or what not.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Ammohunt on 8/17/2012 1:28:21 PM , Rating: 1
Then we will switch to methane(CNG) powered cars still better and more efficient then EV's


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Complinitor on 8/20/2012 11:09:03 AM , Rating: 2
I'm going to start pig farming now!!!

(Subtle Mad Max reference...)


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By JediJeb on 8/17/2012 1:37:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
EV cars won't have a problem, when we start running out of gas. That's what it will take.


If they don't improve much between now and then I guess we will also just have to quit traveling more than 100 miles per day. That will be the death of most tourism destinations also.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Jeffk464 on 8/17/2012 9:33:57 AM , Rating: 2
The problem is cost and charge time. If you look at the performance and drive time on the new testla and its really very good. With its range you could even take it on a cross country trip if you could just give it a close to full charge in the time it took you to eat lunch. But of course for most people cross country trips make up a minuscule percent of their driving.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Dr of crap on 8/17/2012 11:23:17 AM , Rating: 2
The problem is cost. As the poster above stated - until gas is not available or priced sky high, any non-oil powered car is not going to sell very well.

And EVs will not replace all types of vehicles. They have their niche. We also need CNG vehicles, and fuel cell vehicles, and any other alternatively powered vehicle and see which one fits in which driving environment.

There will not be ONE type of vehicle propellant that will replace oil right now. Maybe in 50 years they might have one, but not now! And that's why we need more than just hybrids, and EVs to pick from to replace gas and diesel.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By JediJeb on 8/17/2012 1:40:13 PM , Rating: 2
True. Run out of oil and I want to see what performance you get from a EV semi. EVs have their place in the future for local commutes, but there are going to be other types of power needed for jobs like heavy hauling and such.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By michael67 on 8/17/2012 9:17:11 AM , Rating: 1
The problem is that most people go, EV, is that not for tree-hugers!

I own a Lexus GS450h, Jaguar XJS 6L V12, and a Skyline R33, so you properly could say, i like cars.

But me and my family (8 drivers total) own now 3 Think City EVs, and i use the EV the most, as 90% of the trips are like 15~20 miles max, and it saves us literately thousands of dollars a year in petrol cost, road tax and insurance.

And even do they are not the most comfortable of cars, they are not really bad aider to drive, certainly not for the short trips they are meant for.

And tried out a Leave it drives the same as a Yaris, i would seriously consider one secondhand!


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Apone on 8/17/2012 11:31:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I own a Lexus GS450h, Jaguar XJS 6L V12, and Skyline R33 , so you properly could say, i like cars.


As a car guy and huge Skyline GT-R fan, I tip my hat to you sir!


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Jeffk464 on 8/17/2012 12:13:04 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, I love the styling on the GT-R they took the Z and gave it some much needed buching up. In my book its still tough to beat the current vette on a looks to performance to dollar basis.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Jeffk464 on 8/17/2012 12:34:11 PM , Rating: 2
butching - oops


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Jeffk464 on 8/18/2012 9:54:06 PM , Rating: 2
Oops I was thinking GT-R


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By michael67 on 8/17/2012 2:12:59 PM , Rating: 2
I love the R33, but the Jag is also lots fun to drive, there is not a lot that go's above, going 150miles/h on the Autobahn!
Only thing that really sucks, is the fuel prices now, and the thirst of that V12! >_<

http://tweakers.net/gallery/54579/fotoalbum/?MapID...


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/17/2012 12:18:32 PM , Rating: 2
That Think City car is a death trap, plain and simple.

Money for gas and cars is obviously not a big issue for someone of your stature who can own R33's and what not. I would just hate to see something happen to you and your family in those insanely dangerous EV's.

It's just not worth it man. Not worth it at all.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By michael67 on 8/17/2012 1:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Money for gas and cars is obviously not a big issue for someone of your stature who can own R33's and what not.

Actually the R33 was banger for only 100.000 yen or about 10.000 euro, and a other 5000 and 250 hours to get it EU approved. (half year working on it)

The XJS was only 4000 and about other 8000 and +500 hours to get it in mint condition again, stripping it bare to the bone, and get it zinc coated, repainted, rewired, and building it back up again. (over a year working on it)

Working in the in the offshore in a 2 on 4 off rotation, gives you lots and lots of free time, to take on projects like that.

And having a 15 by 30 yard former cow barn as a workshop (including a car lift, lathe and mill bench) also helps a lot.

And the GS i got when i was traveling 30~35.000 mile/y for work, you wane sit comfortable, the car is for sale, as i am looking for a secondhand CT200h or so.

I have my car collection because i have the space for it, not because i am swimming in money.

quote:
That Think City car is a death trap, plain and simple.

Sure its not a big strong car, but it is a city car, and only driven on 30mile/h roads, its pretty ok, and imho save enough to go to get groceries and go to the gym and all the other little trips people make all day.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By JediJeb on 8/17/2012 2:18:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sure its not a big strong car, but it is a city car, and only driven on 30mile/h roads, its pretty ok, and imho save enough to go to get groceries and go to the gym and all the other little trips people make all day.


That's what I was thinking. Not everyone has the need or desire to drive on the freeway. I may hit the four lane highways twice a year myself, the rest of the time is spend on small two lane country roads and through town. Except for a half mile of major road I must travel to get to work I would feel completely safe driving a golf cart as much as anything else.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By michael67 on 8/17/2012 2:36:26 PM , Rating: 2
We share the three Think City, cars as they are in Norway road-tax free, and most of us have also "real" cars, next to the Think City's we use for holidays and long distances.

We use to own 2 of them, but ware often one short, so 3 months ago we got a 11y old 3th, for about $7000, and we calculated, that it will pay its self back in about 14 months, the way we use them.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By DailyKenny on 8/20/2012 12:37:49 PM , Rating: 2
Come on give it a chance, I'm sure people said the same thing bout cars when horses and wagons were all the rage. You cant put a lid on progress, history usually prove you wrong. I'm sure it'll take a decade or so and this is very new similiar to the wild west. And alot of mistakes happened in the wild west before everything got settled. It took a long time for pc's to get popular remember when all those cheerleaders in class dismissed us egg heads 15 years ago.


RE: Who killed teh EV cars ?
By DailyKenny on 8/20/2012 12:38:06 PM , Rating: 2
Come on give it a chance, I'm sure people said the same thing bout cars when horses and wagons were all the rage. You cant put a lid on progress, history usually prove you wrong. I'm sure it'll take a decade or so and this is very new similiar to the wild west. And alot of mistakes happened in the wild west before everything got settled. It took a long time for pc's to get popular remember when all those cheerleaders in class dismissed us egg heads 15 years ago.


I drove one at the dealer.
By Chudilo on 8/17/2012 10:14:47 AM , Rating: 2
I would definitely get one if I had more then 2 drivers in the family. It drives acceptably well and range is absolutely doable. As the matter of fact I think it's a perfect car for suburban Midwest (where you can't walk to a store). This will literally save you thousands of dollars per year.




RE: I drove one at the dealer.
By Jeffk464 on 8/17/2012 12:36:52 PM , Rating: 2
Why not get the EV Focus it looks a whole lot better and is probably a better car. The volt looks the best out of all of them but its not exactly the same thing, but worth considering.


RE: I drove one at the dealer.
By JediJeb on 8/17/2012 2:14:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This will literally save you thousands of dollars per year.


I just ran the numbers for myself. I someone gave me a Leaf then at $4 gas I could save $2,222 per year on fuel. But can I get one making that much in payments and insurance per year?

On a 5 year loan that would come to $11,110, less than half what the car costs. Insurance would probably run me another $1000 per year maybe a little more.

If I could purchase a Leaf at a price of $23,000 then it would cost me roughly $5,500 per year(at $1000 for insurance) while I would be saving $2,222 in fuel so I would literally be losing $3,278 per year until it is paid off in 5 years. That is a total loss of $16,390 over 5 years. If I then continue to save $2,222 on gasoline each year I must drive it another 7.38 years to recoup the loss of the first 5 years. That is also considering $0 per month for electricity(a variable I couldn't quickly estimate). So at $0 for electricity and gasoline remaining at $4 per gallon and me continuing to drive ~10,000 miles per year it would take me 12.38 years to break even after purchasing a Leaf on gasoline savings alone. More like 14 years I imagine once I figure in the cost of electricity. Since my current vehicle would probably bring me less than $2,500 on trade I imagine those numbers are pretty realistic.

Now if I was planning on purchasing a new vehicle already, then the numbers would not look so bad compared to another ICE powered vehicle, but then if that new one has higher mileage than the current 18mpg of my truck it again skews the savings against the Leaf.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of the EVs like the Leaf or the new Focus EV. My biggest problem is looking at them as some magical money saving machine compared to other gasoline vehicles in their size and price class.


RE: I drove one at the dealer.
By DockScience on 8/17/2012 6:09:30 PM , Rating: 2
Jedi,

Shame on you for using math and rational thought to put down green dreams where dancing unicorns power the world for free.


Just started leasing 2012 Nissan Leaf
By plantiful on 8/17/2012 11:02:54 AM , Rating: 2
The car is great, with excellent pickup and cheap to run:
instead of paying $240 for the 25 mpg car, we are paying $40-50/month in electricity, and there is little to no maintenance costs aside from tire rotations, windshield wipers, and brakes.

It can easily go 70-100 miles a day, which is all we need. We have another car for longer distances when it is needed.




By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 8/17/2012 11:47:04 AM , Rating: 2
I reckon the Leaf would make an excellent second car, perhaps for local use/commuting.. Or for a younger person's first or college car, assuming they can get a plugin space from their school or they live at home.

Me, I only want/need 1 car, so I got the Volt. 90% electric is good enough so far.


By Jeffk464 on 8/17/2012 12:38:29 PM , Rating: 2
2nd car doesn't work financially, but if you are a two car family having one electric and one gas certainly works.


Arizona friendly?
By Apone on 8/17/2012 11:55:34 AM , Rating: 2
Well Nissan, I sure hope you beef up that pesky inadequate cooling system for the 2013 Leaf so you don't have a repeat of the 2012 being unable to handle the crazy Arizona heat!




RE: Arizona friendly?
By Jeffk464 on 8/17/2012 12:39:14 PM , Rating: 2
I can't blame the Leaf, I can't handle it either. :)


It may have better range...
By Masospaghetti on 8/17/2012 9:19:03 AM , Rating: 2
...but will it still be hideous?




It should be available in the UK
By semo on 8/17/2012 4:44:10 PM , Rating: 2
The 2013 Leaf will hopefully be assembled in Sunderland next year and the batteries some time after too.




Problem is
By superPC on 8/17/2012 11:40:40 PM , Rating: 2
not the price. people bought 30000+ cars all the time. but it look and behave like 30000+ cars. leaf cost 30000+ but looks like normal honda fit. who would want that?

tesla motor has the right idea. if you want to sell a 30000+ EV it has to at least perform (not the driving range), look, and feel like a BMW M3.




ev
By DailyKenny on 8/20/2012 12:38:35 PM , Rating: 2
Come on give it a chance, I'm sure people said the same thing bout cars when horses and wagons were all the rage. You cant put a lid on progress, history usually prove you wrong. I'm sure it'll take a decade or so and this is very new similiar to the wild west. And alot of mistakes happened in the wild west before everything got settled. It took a long time for pc's to get popular remember when all those cheerleaders in class dismissed us egg heads 15 years ago.




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