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Leaf price increases by thousands for 2012  (Source: Nissan)
Prices go up significantly for Leaf

Of all the green cars on the road today, the two that get the most attention tend to be the pure electric Nissan Leaf and the Chevy Volt, which is classified as a plug-in hybrid. The two cars are selling well and it looks like the price will be increasing for the 2012 model year on both of the vehicles.

Nissan has announced that the price on the Leaf will go up significantly in both base trim and SL trim for 2012. The base Leaf will see its price rise from $32,780 to $35,180. The SL will see an even larger price increase going from $33,720 to $37,250. Nissan also announced that it would up the lease price of the Leaf slightly to $369 monthly from $349 monthly for the 2011 model year.

Brian Carolin, senior vice president, sales and marketing for Nissan North America said, "Many enthusiastic consumers have eagerly anticipated ordering a Nissan Leaf of their own, and now we can make zero-emissions mobility a reality in more markets." He also noted, " In response to direct feedback from Nissan Leaf owners, the features that customers want most will come standard on the 2012 Nissan Leaf — including quick charging and cold-weather features."

The quick charge feature allows the Leaf to be hooked to a 480v charger. That allows the Leaf to recharge in 30-minutes from a dead battery to 80% capacity. The cold weather gear includes a battery heater, heated seats, and a heated steering wheel.

GM is also offering pricing details on its 2012 Volt. The base Volt for 2012 will have a price of $39,995 including the $850 destination charge. In 2011, the Volt started at $41,000. The Volt with navigation and Bose sound is rising in price by $990 compared to 2011 models.

In June, GM reports that it sold 2,745 Volts while Nissan reports selling 4,400 Leaf EVs.

Nissan is also already putting thought into what to do with Leaf batteries when the cars reach the end of their usable life.



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In Other Words
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/2011 6:29:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
" In response to direct feedback from Nissan Leaf owners, the features that customers want most will come standard on the 2012 Nissan Leaf — including quick charging and cold-weather features."


You're now paying more because they added "features" that should have been standard in the first place. Enjoy, suckers.




RE: In Other Words
By nolisi on 7/20/2011 6:50:31 PM , Rating: 2
If I'm in a position where I can pay $30+ K for a vehicle- then I'm definitely considering options; and paying less than 3-5k extra for a model with options I would want anyway isn't such a horrible proposition.

With that being said, I'm not a fan of the way Nissan prices options. It always felt like they cost more than any other manufacturer without extra benefit once I considered extras. After testing a Ford Sync system vs Nissan's voice activated system a few years back, I had no doubt that sync was superior, and it came at a lower price.


RE: In Other Words
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/2011 7:09:16 PM , Rating: 2
I just don't see how they can justify these price hikes on such a gimmick item in a down economy. Especially given it's poor sales to date. Around 4k units? That's just terrible. They need to realize they do NOT have a winner here, and price hikes will only make it worst.

Nissan should just accept that they are going to have to sell these at a loss for a few years until they get enough market saturation to start making a profit. Honda and Toyota understood this with the hybrids when that technology was in it's fledgeling years.

Of course, there are the subsidies, but I think we've covered that enough and everyone knows where I stand on that.


RE: In Other Words
By Reclaimer77 on 7/20/2011 7:16:48 PM , Rating: 2
By the way, isn't it freaking awesome that despite Chevy's massive PR campaign and all the billions of taxpayer dollars, the golden child Volt is being outsold almost 2 to 1 to the all-electric Leaf? Just, lol.


RE: In Other Words
By Alexvrb on 7/20/2011 8:59:12 PM , Rating: 3
The Leaf has a pretty good advertising presence, too, and it's cheaper - even after this price hike. But both manufacturers say that supply is holding sales back more than anything at this point. The pure electric should be easier to produce once they ramp up. The Volt is a complex beast to build and will probably have a harder time ramping up.


RE: In Other Words
By theapparition on 7/21/2011 8:17:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just, lol.

Not really.

GM sells every single Volt that they make right now. Plus there is a backlog of customers that ensures they've sold ever single one for over the next year. GM is ramping up production, but right now is very comfortable where they stand.

As for the Volt itself, it truely is a nice car. Not my cup of tea, by any means, but a very nice car that's quite fun to drive. My only disappointment was when they changed the styling to ho-hum everyday commuter car and didn't have the balls to keep with the original prototype.


RE: In Other Words
By tng on 7/21/2011 12:06:05 PM , Rating: 2
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Plus there is a backlog of customers that ensures they've sold ever single one for over the next year.
After the backlog is pushed out the door what next? GM has been very slow in bringing up production this year. Next year they are supposed to make more than double what they made this year and they will fill all of the pre-orders. Will the sales continue to rise?

quote:
didn't have the balls to keep with the original prototype.
They never do. Seems that making an attractive car (like most prototypes) is against the rules somehow. Yeah the original was good looking, they made the production version look just short of Blah.


RE: In Other Words
By Masospaghetti on 7/21/2011 12:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
The prototype was more aerodynamic going backward and forward. Its proportions made it obvious it wasn't a practical vehicle.

Maybe the production version doesn't look like the concept, but the Volt still makes the Leaf and Prius look like Fischer price toys.


RE: In Other Words
By theapparition on 7/21/2011 3:25:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
After the backlog is pushed out the door what next? Will the sales continue to rise?

Let me consult the magic 8 ball........

quote:
They never do

Camaro arrived pretty much unchanged from the prototypes. I had hope the Volt would be similar.


RE: In Other Words
By Reclaimer77 on 7/21/2011 3:27:57 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're missing the point. It sailed right over your head.


RE: In Other Words
By Masospaghetti on 7/21/2011 12:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
GM has purposefully made initial production slow as a quality improvement. They are building as many Volts as they said they would before production started and have a backlog of orders for every one they are going to build in the near future.

Your disdain for the Volt is baffling. It's a product of complete technological superiority, produced here in the States. It's nice to be on the cutting edge for once, and I'm glad GM isn't just producing pushrod 3100's and 4-speed automatics.


RE: In Other Words
By tng on 7/22/2011 10:53:46 AM , Rating: 2
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Your disdain for the Volt is baffling.
No it is just that after having driven hundreds of GM products, I realize that you can't trust them, there is a reason why they needed to be bailed out.


RE: In Other Words
By p05esto on 7/22/2011 9:15:08 AM , Rating: 2
All I know is that IF you are an American and you buy ANY other brnad of car besides American (Ford, Chevy, Dodge, etc etc) then you are a no-good traitor and need to be deported to whatever country you bought the car from. We have very few choices in the product world where there is an American alternative, ALWAYS buy American if you are American. End of story, anything you counter with is irrelevant. Don't be a moron, keep your country alive!


RE: In Other Words
By tng on 7/22/2011 10:57:52 AM , Rating: 2
If you buy American just because it is American and not the best you can buy, then you are just a part of the problem why Corporations like GM continue to produce junk, after all people like you will buy it.

I am all for buying US made, but I will not buy crap because it is US made over something that is better and made somewhere else.


RE: In Other Words
By Dr of crap on 7/21/2011 8:48:22 AM , Rating: 2
You mean if you're in a position to buy a NORMAL car.

These are just money suckers, over priced and not very good bang for your buck.
Since cars are not an investment in the first place, these are the complete opposite - a money waster.

These are for - wait for it ----- "The first adopters"!
And has been pointed out before, we need these people. (??)

And and my 401k needs a million dollar addition too, but that won't happen.

When they have the masses wanting to buy them, then they'll have acheived something. Right now only those with money to spare can buy.


RE: In Other Words
By The0ne on 7/21/2011 5:15:33 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, we need those type of people lol. They are partly what is driving the forward momentum of whatever the product is. Performance cars, Luxury cars and need I mention computer and gaming? All the rest of us have to do is wait and complain less.


RE: In Other Words
By FITCamaro on 7/20/2011 7:09:21 PM , Rating: 2
For some a cold weather package isn't necessary. It doesn't get that cold here in SC. Or in much of the south.


RE: In Other Words
By chick0n on 7/20/11, Rating: -1
RE: In Other Words
By Hiawa23 on 7/21/2011 9:43:51 AM , Rating: 2
There is no way these cars will be mainstream anytime soon with these added features that should have been included, jacking up the price. I sure hope gas prices don't too high cause most of us can't buy new cars & if we could certainly wouldn't buy these overpriced boxes, but I guess that's how technology goes. The early adopters always pay more. I am more concerned with what can be done that maybe our country should have done decades ago to bring down the cost of of gas, as for 1997 Honda Civic, & 2006 Mitsu Lancer Ralliart, there are no other alternatives, there certainly are no alternatives for the masses vehicles in this bad economy. My gas bill for both run $150-190/month & climbing, & my commute is 28miles oneway, & any increses in gas takes money away from paying my student loan, or my daughter's tuition which just keeps going up, so I am really concerned. There is no such thing as the American Dream for most as no matter what most of us can't seem to get ahead.


RE: In Other Words
By Samus on 7/21/2011 9:46:58 AM , Rating: 2
So now it costs nearly as much as a Volt? What the....


RE: In Other Words
By Natch on 7/21/2011 12:10:00 PM , Rating: 2
Worse than that, they're charging extra to add standard features that not everyone is going to need or want. I'm pretty sure that people in Houston or Phoenix will use their heated seats quite often! (eye roll)

Just another reason why I would never consider either the Leaf or the Volt.....boondoggles that they are!


RE: In Other Words
By Keeir on 7/21/2011 6:37:54 PM , Rating: 1
Most of the people are this thread are remarkably ignorant.

The real "addition" is the battery heater. The Nissan Leaf has an -aircooled- battery. Without a battery heater, this "feature" may significantly affect performance in Cold or Hot Weather in comparison to the Liquid Cooled Tesla and Volt batteries. Of course, the battery heater doesn't really help Hot Weather performance at all...

The second addition is a tacit admission that most consumers are afraid of Range Anxiety. Quick Charging capacity takes the maximum "fill rate" for new mileage from .25 miles/minute to 2 miles/minute. Pretty good... but the Volt (and any other Gas Car) are still way up at over 100 miles/minute.


RE: In Other Words
By tng on 7/21/2011 1:39:52 PM , Rating: 2
Has anyone here kept track of sales of the Volt so far?

Are there more sales to the general public or to Government and Fleet accounts? Even counting the backlog of all the customers who are waiting, I am betting that there will be more government and fleet deliveries in the next 2 years than sales to Joe Six Pack.


RE: In Other Words
By CharonPDX on 7/21/2011 3:43:57 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You're now paying more because they added "features" that should have been standard in the first place. Enjoy, suckers.


Or, you're paying basically the same price that you would have paid anyway, only you don't have to haggle over adding features that should have been standard in the first place - or worry about getting a lower-end model that nobody was buying anyway.

I'm always a fan of making a lowest-possible-featureset model available, but if they truly were having the VAST majority of people buy certain features, might as well make them standard. Toyota did that to the Prius, too - a few times.


RE: In Other Words
By Starcub on 7/22/2011 12:45:41 PM , Rating: 2
Like I need cold weather features on a plug in that will stay on Florida highways. Nor do I care to shorten the usable life of my batteries by quick-charging them. They are doing what most car manufacturers do, they are bundling features needlessly in order to jack up the price to increase their profits.


Wanna be environmenta#$* frien**$ and conscious?
By Scary on 7/20/2011 11:39:24 PM , Rating: 3
All these people wanna buy these electric cars so they can claim that they care about the planet and such. It sure makes them feel good. But they haven't fully thought about it through. The best thing ANYONE could do is buy a USED car. Sure the mileage won't compare, but there are other factors that must be taken into account.

First, to make a brand new car requires a tremendous amount of resources. Cars that use heavy metal components, ie; batteries, where do these things come from? Heavy metal deposits are in asia, middle east, and south america. How much of their environment do we destroy in the process of refining these ores and then mill them, and shipping and assembly. These things need to be taken into account whenever someone wants to claim to be green. Sure, green in your eyes, but check out how less green it is for those around the rest of the world. Auto makers don't wanna hear it, they won't promote it, they sure as well will never advocate for that view point. But as a consumer, please, be conscious buy used, recycle, don't worry, the energy that it takes to bring a new car to market is tremendous, a used car while emits more C02 will never even reach that level of pollution.




By Dr of crap on 7/21/2011 9:13:41 AM , Rating: 2
Boy, I've been Earth friendly for the past 20 years.

I feel the same as before knowing I've not added to the downfall of our existance, by buying only used cars!

That means that they should sell a few more new Leafs and Volts to offset what I've been doing.
Great marketing idea - not?


By Hiawa23 on 7/21/2011 12:11:07 PM , Rating: 1
The earth was here long before you or I appeared, & it will be here long after we are gone.


By Redwin on 7/21/2011 3:16:47 PM , Rating: 2
For the purposes of his (and most similar) statements, "Friendly to the Earth" really means
"Keeping Earth Friendly for Human Habitation"

By your implied definition anything that leaves the earth "here" (as opposed to where, exactly?) is "earth friendly".

You can argue for your definition if you want, but saying its OK to let our biosphere turn into an unlivable hellscape because the earth will be still "be here" (even if humans won't) is not very useful in most practical policy discussions.


By slond on 7/21/2011 1:05:18 PM , Rating: 2
It's called conspicuous conservation. It's when you put your solar panels in the shade because people can't see them on the sunny side of your house. And people do do that. Freakonomics did a show on it:

http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/07/07/hey-baby-is...


Quite a gamble
By YashBudini on 7/20/2011 6:24:32 PM , Rating: 3
Worth noting - the problem with "demand" in "supply and demand" is demand can often be little more than an emotional response.




RE: Quite a gamble
By ViroMan on 7/20/2011 7:00:26 PM , Rating: 2
I DEMAND you retract that, you terrible person you!


RE: Quite a gamble
By Chadder007 on 7/21/2011 9:11:32 AM , Rating: 3
I read that and immediately thought....Apple.


Both increased in price?
By cohetedor on 7/20/2011 9:03:12 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The two cars are selling well and it looks like the price will be increasing for the 2012 model year on both of the vehicles.


2012 starting price for the Volt is $39995, using what type of math is that more than the 2011 price of $41000?




RE: Both increased in price?
By ryanbrancel on 7/21/2011 1:20:44 AM , Rating: 2
I was thinking the same thing myself...


Goodbye, Nissan Leaf
By lennylim on 7/20/2011 8:29:44 PM , Rating: 2
I was prepared to buy one, but you don't have one to sell. You wouldn't even take my reservation. Now you're raising the price significantly. It's been nice thinking about owning an electric car for commute. I'll check again in a few years to see if the situation is more sane.




RE: Goodbye, Nissan Leaf
By Chadder007 on 7/21/2011 9:20:52 AM , Rating: 2
You should email them that.


I'd rather have an efficient diesel
By superstition on 7/20/2011 9:48:45 PM , Rating: 1
The UK and other countries have many choices in diesels. Ford and GM ("Vauxhall") offer some of them. I'm tired of having only VW as an option here.

But, here we are with ridiculous tax incentives for these electric cars that can't even make it more than like 60 miles in winter, from what I've read.




RE: I'd rather have an efficient diesel
By knutjb on 7/21/2011 1:24:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The UK and other countries have many choices in diesels. Ford and GM ("Vauxhall") offer some of them. I'm tired of having only VW as an option here.
Again, the difference between the US and Europe is the US has higher demand for diesel than Europe. The freight rail system is the number one consumer of diesel with jet fuel and long haul truckers. Europe uses its fuels differently. Therefore most manufacturers refrain from selling diesel powered cars in the US.


By superstition on 7/21/2011 1:47:03 AM , Rating: 1
Provide the massive tax incentive for diesel cars that's currently going to these electric toy cars and you'll see sales.

Bring over the Ford and GM diesels that are selling in Europe and you'll see sales.

Improve our fuel so that it meets the minimum lubricity spec of engine makers and you'll see more sales.

There are reasons why Europe has higher demand, most of which are readily addressable.

The fact is, diesel technology is more practical and sensible than electric technology for the majority of Americans.


By Soapy Johnson on 7/21/2011 10:10:58 PM , Rating: 2
In the aftermath of NASCAR's Chevrolet Volt 400 nightmare, the price increase can't help EV sales ... http://placeitonluckydan.com/2011/05/nascar-pulls-...




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