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Bigger systems don't equal bigger sales
Video game industry shows 53 percent growth

Consumers continue to snatch up Nintendo’s new console at a torrid pace, keeping the Wii at the top of the sales chart, ahead of Microsoft’s Xbox 360 and Sony’s PlayStation 3. Market research firm NPD Group reports that consumers bought 335,000 Wii consoles, while Xbox 360 sold 228,000 units, followed by PlayStation 3 with 127,000.

The surprising success of the Wii is attributed to two main factors: mass-market appeal and affordable pricing. “You're getting non-traditional gamers who are more than willing to spend $300 to get a system and use it,” said Darrel Ryce, director of technology and entertainment for the NPD Group, to the Canadian Press. “I think that's the key difference here. The PlayStation 3, with its price point, is really geared towards the traditional gamer who has no problem spending that kind of money to get into a system.”

Sales of the three newest consoles dipped compared to January, when consumers bought 436,000 Wii, 294,000 Xbox 360, and 244,000 PS3.

“We're gratified that the explosive appeal of Wii, in terms of both new players and new ways to play, has created unprecedented demand, substantially beyond supply,” says Reggie Fils-Aime, president, Nintendo of America. “But we also understand that there are hundreds of thousands of consumers still waiting to get their hands on the system so we continue to both ship more units to retail every week and work non-stop to build capacity.”

The Nintendo DS is the only video game system to experience a sales boost over last month’s figures, selling 485,000 units -- up from 239,000 during January -- propelling it to be the top system for February.

The PlayStation 2 continues to be a strong seller, likely because of its price point and unbeatable library, with 295,000 units -- nearly the same as its previous month’s sales but down from the amazing 1.4 million during the holiday month. PSP also fell to 176,000 from 211,000.

While Microsoft’s console was not at the top for hardware, it lead the software list with five of the top 10 games best sellers. “The 360 is doing very well,” said Ryce. “They have some top titles in the market as well.”

 Crackdown was the number one seller for February with 427,000 units. Gears of War, MLB 2K7, Lost Planet: Extreme Condition and NBA Street Homecourt occupied the latter half of the top 10. With an apparent shortage of Wii controllers, Wii Remote-bundled Wii Play was the second best seller with 371,000 sold.

While gaming fanboys will trade flames to no end, Ryce believes that all three consoles are exhibiting healthy numbers. “All three new console systems are doing well, holding their own and definitely selling product,” he said.



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Hmmm...
By Furen on 3/16/2007 6:13:26 AM , Rating: 2
The PS3's numbers are rather anemic but I think price has a lot to do with that. I hope Sony has some master plan to stimulate demand, and I hope it puts that plan into action ASAP (a price drop would be great but I doubt that will happen any time soon). There are only ~1.1M systems out in the market, and the new hot console is being outsold by its main competitor 2:1 (not to mention that the xbox already has a 10:1 lead).

The Xbox360 is doing decently enough but I think its sales have become a bit stagnant. A price drop would help here too, and MS actually DOES have the headroom for one. I'm sure the Xbox360 is turning into quite the cash cow for MS ( considering the software and accessory attach rates, the insane amount of hype around its Live arcade, video marketplace and various microtransactions) so sacrificing part of the profit on console sales would hardly be a major sacrifice.

Nintendo's Wii sales dropped? Is that an indicator of waning interest or did Nintendo happen to produce and ship less units in February than it did in January? If supply is still tight maybe a price hike is in order (LOL). I wonder what Nintendo's production bottleneck is...




RE: Hmmm...
By Pjotr on 3/16/2007 7:08:09 AM , Rating: 2
To begin with, let Sony launch PS3 in Europe, which takes place next week. After European enthusiasts have opened up their wallets, expect price cuts a few months later.


RE: Hmmm...
By Samus on 3/16/2007 7:44:39 AM , Rating: 2
LOL. *COUGH* Did you say PRICE CUTS and PS3 in the same sentance!?

Try 2008, it aint dropping in price anytime this year.

Don't expect any of these systems to drop in price...although Nintendo 'could' drop to $200 and still make money, but they'd be retarded to do so considering the demand for it.

XBOX will likely release with a revision (those rumored HDMI models) but not a price cut, at least not until XMAS 2007, but even then, it'll be selling from Halo 3, just like it did last XMAS from Gears of War.

It's sad Microsoft depends on just a few exclusive titles to sell their system. Sadly, PS3 does much the same thing with Resistance, but I think most people are still buying it for its Bluray functionality over its console functionality, at least for now.


RE: Hmmm...
By FITCamaro on 3/16/2007 8:25:49 AM , Rating: 1
From what I hear Resistance wasn't that great a game. I think Final Fantasy and probably Warhawk are the only two things this year that might move the PS3 faster. If MGS4 comes to the 360 Sony will just cry. Personally I'm hoping it will because I want a 360 much more than a PS3. I'd like to play the new Final Fantasy game but I'm not going to buy a PS3 just to do it.

Sony's already lost GTA exclusivity. If Microsoft continues to sell double the number of consoles, Japanese developers and their share holders(sorry but largely they make the best games) are going to start taking notice. In the end the mighty dollar will win out and Microsoft might actually have a shot at the Japanese market then. There are far more American gamers than Japanese (due to our population) so they're going to want the biggest audience possible for their games.


RE: Hmmm...
By Natfly on 3/16/2007 9:34:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's sad Microsoft depends on just a few exclusive titles to sell their system.


I fail to see what makes it sad. The same can be said for all consoles. Its like saying "It's sad Nintendo depends on gimmicky hardware to sell their system." After all, what makes someone choose one platform over another? The only differences between them are games and hardware.


RE: Hmmm...
By FITCamaro on 3/16/2007 7:37:18 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I hope Sony has some master plan to stimulate demand


Claim theres a shortage and say they'll work to solve it. The idea is kind of like the media after Katrina blowing shit with gas out of proportion so everyone rushed to buy it.

And to the guy above me, if you think Sony is going to drop the price in the next 2-3 months, I think you're going to be disappointed. Even if they did, they'd have to drop the price to $400 and $500 for the 20GB and 60GB respectively to generate any added interest which I doubt will happen.

Fact is more PS3s were available in February than January and their February sales were half of those in January. Sony, Playstation Home isn't going to save you. Only massive price cuts you can't afford and won't do can.


RE: Hmmm...
By drebo on 3/16/2007 9:20:15 AM , Rating: 2
Playstation Home looks kind of interesting, though it will never match up to Second Life, as hard as it tries. Basically, they're trying to copy Second Life and not doing a good job of it...now, if they'd actually built a Second Life version for the PS3...THAT would stimulate a LOT of demand.

Though, you're right, I don't think Playstation Home in and of itself is going to be the winner. As to the new Final Fantasy, I'm hoping Square will release it to PC as well, just like they did with FF7.


RE: Hmmm...
By bldckstark on 3/16/2007 11:23:19 AM , Rating: 2
Actually I thought Second Life copied Disney's Toontown, so really Sony copied a little kids game. This line of thought often causes explosive conversation whenever I mention it. So go ahead and explode.


RE: Hmmm...
By ElJefe69 on 3/16/2007 11:28:16 AM , Rating: 2
eh hm.... yeah, 2nd life for the ps3 would be huge of course.

however, you have to hang out with asians from asia, non americanized types. games like FF would blend super well with ps3 home thingie, so would a lot of games. raw computing power isnt so in vogue in japan as it is in the US. people who are avid gamers use the ps2 there or now, the new systems. PS3's very integrated home will probably take off well globally. It could easily become a 2nd life sort of thing or even much bigger/more expansive.


RE: Hmmm...
By encryptkeeper on 3/16/2007 3:35:29 PM , Rating: 2
Nintendo's Wii sales dropped? Is that an indicator of waning interest or did Nintendo happen to produce and ship less units in February than it did in January? If supply is still tight maybe a price hike is in order (LOL). I wonder what Nintendo's production bottleneck is...

This is probably not a sign of waning interests as it is supply. Also, electronics purchasing slows down in February anyway. There's a good chance there's a catch 22 going on inside Nintendo right now, as they probably don't want to pull people away from Wii production to plan how to increase Wii production, and they certainly don't want to pull people away from DS production.


RE: Hmmm...
By encryptkeeper on 3/16/2007 4:19:08 PM , Rating: 2
Xbox360 is doing decently enough but I think its sales have become a bit stagnant

This is a good point too, 10 million consoles sold is a good number for just over a year of market exposure. But right now, just about everyone who is willing to get a 360 at 399 probably already has one. Unfortunately, they'll probably stay that way until the PS3 comes down to that level of pricing (and that will take a while, especially since they aren't moving any they can't go through their supply of expensive PS3s so that they can start producing and selling cheaper PS3s). So, don't count on a drop on the Box until Sony at least gets close to their pricing.


RE: Hmmm...
By jadedeath on 3/18/2007 1:12:19 AM , Rating: 2
The evil Sony Master Plan to stimulate demand is Blu-Ray. {at least that's my theory} because it seems that lately people want more out of a machine than something with only one use. Why would they want just a Blu-Ray player, when they can have a Blu-Ray player that also plays games and has connections to something like Playstation-Live?

X360 is turning out to be quite the cashcow for M$ this is true, but that is mostly because of the games themselves and not the systems {I think Halo 3 will be all the proof anyone needs to prove that particular point the profit they make from that alone will probably cover M$'s costs for the next year at least}

Having said that I think the Wii is an excellent system and like all things {the PS3 and the X360 included} it'll take at least a few months for them to find their stride, and when they do it'll destroy the competition. I mean the numbers don't lie. People want the Wii and probably {if the sales keep up the way they are now} within a few months X360 will be in second place.

Logan


im sure the PS3's # are low because...
By kattanna on 3/16/2007 12:25:17 PM , Rating: 2
they are sooo hard to find on retail shelves

LOL !!




RE: im sure the PS3's # are low because...
By rykerabel on 3/16/2007 12:35:10 PM , Rating: 2
The Walmart, target, ebgames, etc. in my suburb of New Orleans is always sold out of ps3's


RE: im sure the PS3's # are low because...
By bldckstark on 3/16/2007 3:12:09 PM , Rating: 2
Heck, they are all over like gnats here in Indy.


By rykerabel on 3/19/2007 1:53:44 AM , Rating: 2
I checked again today: 2 Wii, 10+ x360, no ps3.

And no, i am not going to buy a wii and sell it to you :P LOL


By Hoser McMoose on 3/18/2007 3:57:54 AM , Rating: 2
I *still* have yet to see a single PS3 consoles on ANY store shelf in my city (Waterloo in Canada, a city of about 500,000 people). The "shortage" of the PS3 isn't so much a shortage as it is simply poorly distributed. I'm sure Sony's sales are being limited by lack of distribution in this area.

Of course, finding a Wii is even tougher. If I wanted one I could probably sign up to order a PS3 and get it within a week, while a Wii would probably take closer to a month to get.


Interesting Observation
By Legolias24 on 3/16/2007 11:58:58 AM , Rating: 2
While I agree the PS3 sales aren't as great as say Nintendo's or the 360, they still can't be thought of as horrible when you consider that the PS3 is only being sold in NA and Japan right now. I'm not saying that Europe/Australia (etc.) will necessarily be buying the console in droves, but you can probably expect an extra 50k to 60k being sold a month as a result of the larger consumer base (and I'm being conservative in my estimates due to the high price point). So really, the sales while not stellar, aren't bad.

And as for people bitching and moaning "Oh Sony just copied SL! Oh Sony's Home will suck worse than SL and or Xbox Live!" stick a cork in it until it's released will ya. I will be hard pressed to believe Sony's Home will suck any worse than SL (maybe Live but that remains to be seen). I've gone on SL and found it lagged like a 50 pound weight tied around a sprinter's neck! (hence why I'm no longer on it...that and I didn't see the whole point of it)

And guess what, much like any great evolution of technology, Sony has looked at something and said "what can we do to improve upon this idea/experience?" (please refrain from exploiting the blatantly obvious opening I've left where one could easily bash Sony and my post). Nintendo said: "What can we do to improve upon the game playing experience?". Microsoft looked at Sony's original attempt at the online experience with the PS2 and said "Oh hell ya we could do this better!" (I can't remember which came out first, Sony's attempt at consoles online or Mircosofts). But these companies were praised for their attempts to better an experience where as people seem really intent on dumping on Sony for doing the same thing.

I for one look forward to trying out "Home" and will bitch and moan if it's as laggy as SL. I also applaud Sony for their attempts at improving upon an existing idea.

-Legolias




RE: Interesting Observation
By Xavian on 3/16/2007 2:03:56 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed, but with the PS3 selling 20K per week in Japan (compared to Wii's 70K and DS Lites' staggering 140-150K) and selling this small amount in the US, I seriously doubt that Europe is gonna pull Sony out of this hole.

Europe as a whole is more interested in the Wii then the US is and quite frankly I just dont see how PS3 can outsell it there either.

The PS3 is the Nintendo 64 redux.


RE: Interesting Observation
By jadedeath on 3/18/2007 1:23:01 AM , Rating: 2
PS3 has outsold X360 in Japan.

After X360 being out for a year and PS3 only being out for a few months.

Not sure what that means but it's gotta be promising for a few Sony Execs who were worried about their heads.

Logan


Black 360
By 05SilverGT on 3/16/2007 8:54:12 AM , Rating: 2
I think one reason 360 sales are lower is because of people holding off till the black 360 comes out in May. If it does have a larger hd and HDMI then look for sales to jump for a couple months until a price cut.




RE: Black 360
By dubldwn on 3/16/2007 10:40:17 AM , Rating: 2
Where did you get this information?


Why?
By Min Jia on 3/16/2007 8:05:30 PM , Rating: 2
Why is the PS3 $600 in the US? Sonystyle Hong Kong has been selling the 60GB model at HK$3780, which is roughly US$483.883, since last November.




RE: Why?
By rykerabel on 3/19/2007 2:08:58 AM , Rating: 2
Two things that Microsoft should do now...
By enlil242 on 3/17/2007 2:31:49 AM , Rating: 2
First, Lower your prices by $100 … AND get a Keyboard / Mouse style peripheral to market ASAP now that live for Windows has been announced... I would love to be able to play GRAW2 with a mouse and keyboard if given the chance!!! I am a PC Gamer that owns an Xbox 360 and am still finding it difficult with trying to play FPS's with a gamepad. NHL07? no problem, but FPS's require a mouse and keyboard in my book!!! These two changes will help secure your dominance.




By noirsoft on 3/17/2007 2:55:02 AM , Rating: 2
The Keyboard & Mouse peripheral combo for the Xbox360 is already out. Amazingly, this revolutionary peripheral system is compatible with the PS3 as well.

It's called a standard USB Mouse and Keyboard. You just need to convince the game developers to support them in the games.


Thoughts on Sales numbers
By noirsoft on 3/17/2007 2:52:26 AM , Rating: 2
I have a feeling that PS3 sales will pick up when some high-profile titles like the next Final Fantasy come out. Right now the PS2 is more of a competitor to the PS3 than is the Xbox 360 (I say this as someone who owns and enjoys both a PS3 and 360) -- When there are compelling reasons (i.e. a selection of really great games) to get a PS3 instead of a PS2, sales will probably pick up. Certianly in Japan if not in the US, more people will get the PS3 version of a multi-platform title than the Xbox360 version, out of brand loyalty. I don't see a price drop coming any time soon, since it looks like Sony's plan is to cut their costs (such as dropping hardware BC) and hope for profit rather than cut street price and increase sales numbers.

The Xbox360's dominance in the top 10 games lists shows its relative maturity as a platform (due to the year lead time and the excellent developer tools) -- I would guess that a price drop would be the next logical step to boost raw sales numbers. If it was timed to coincide with the launch of Halo3, Microsoft could really clean up and see temporary numbers higher than Wii.

I do agree with others that the Wii numbers are limited by supply and not demand. Most stores I visit get at most 3 per week and sell those out in minutes. I certainly don't have one yet and will pick one up when I can find one.

Ultimately, I predict the Wii will be the best overall seller of the three systems, though none will be crowned a clear "winner", unlike the PS1 and PS2.

These are all my opinions and intended to promote discussion, and not to insult anyone's choice of console.




RE: Thoughts on Sales numbers
By nofumble62 on 3/18/2007 4:06:12 AM , Rating: 2
My kids play boxing and get real sweaty. I get a mini workout playing tennis. I don't regret buying the Wii. Yes, a HD graphic will be nice but that will be coming next.

On the other hand, what is good about the Sony PS3 and Xbox for kids? CAP?


Supply and demand
By tmok2007 on 3/16/2007 10:27:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sales of the three newest consoles dipped compared to January

I have been looking to buy a Wii, but I still can't find one in retail stores. I think the main reason why sales was down in February was due to supply, not demand. If Nintendo wants to sell more Wii, they need to make more Wii!




RE: Supply and demand
By michal1980 on 3/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: Supply and demand
By bldckstark on 3/16/2007 11:24:47 AM , Rating: 2
I accidentally got two. I'll sell you one for $300 plus the actual shipping cost.


More More More!
By Mitch101 on 3/16/2007 8:27:53 AM , Rating: 2
They would have sold more if I could find one.




Fewer sold
By SmokeRngs on 3/16/2007 10:05:21 AM , Rating: 2
It's not surprising to me that the numbers sold in February were lower than they were in January.

There are three fewer days in February and this does make some difference. No, it's not enough to make up the whole difference, but it's a difference.

With the end of the holiday season being in January, there is generally more money still being spent. Some people have gift cards or money they received for the holidays and decide to use them and other things like that. Basically, money is still flowing more freely at this time and by the time February hits buying is down.

I doubt the lower sales reflects anything more than the time of year and has little to do with the consoles themselves.




Still, I may get a PS3 for the BluRay
By BPB on 3/16/2007 10:13:58 AM , Rating: 2
For those wanting a BluRay DVD player the PS3 is a very good deal. We are considering it just for that. Then a sub-$200 Xbox 360 HD DVD player to use with Vista. Coupling the 360 player with my 24" LCD monitor and Netflix (which has a growing hi-def rental library) will make me happy.




I love the DailyTech quotes
By encryptkeeper on 3/16/2007 4:28:32 PM , Rating: 2
"Well, we didn't have anyone in line that got shot waiting for our system." -- Nintendo of America Vice President Perrin Kaplan

Damn!




By uberfu on 3/19/2007 3:55:23 PM , Rating: 2
NOT !

Nintendo has sold more units since release_

But if you do the Math based on the number of units sold by the purchase price of each sold - then the February numbers put Nintendo barely ahead of Sony with Microsoft lagging way behind [not counting the year extra that microsoft had theirs out]

And then in the second set of number this article mentions for the month of January - gross monetary collection per product put Sony ahead of Nintendo by at least $13,000,000 [assuming that every unit Sony sold was the base model] Assuming a mix of base and high end models or all high end models - that put Sony's product revenue at significantly more cash in the pocket_

I wish once in my lifetime before I die I would get to read an article from a writer that actually takes the whole scope of what they are saying into perspective instead of writing a full page of ignorance and wasting my time_




Good for Nintendo
By Domicinator on 3/16/2007 5:14:00 PM , Rating: 1
I'm thrilled for Nintendo. I haven't had one of their machines since the SNES (I spend all my time on PC games), but I have always pulled for them. I grew up playing Nintendo and will always have a soft spot for them.

The Wii is a perfect example of how Nintendo's whole philosophy can really work well. It's the whole idea of gameplay over graphics, and it is what has worked well for all of their systems with the exception of the Gamecube.

I know total non gamers, even females, who now are dying to have one of these. I live in the Chicago area and they are nowhere to be found. After the Gamecube was pretty much dead, there was talk of Nintendo never creating a new console again. I bet they are thrilled that this machine is selling so well. I'm happy for them.




i'll be the first too...
By michal1980 on 3/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: i'll be the first too...
By DeadPooL on 3/16/2007 7:19:44 AM , Rating: 1
Again with the Graphics over game play, not everything has to be HD to be a good game.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By erwos on 3/16/2007 7:39:22 AM , Rating: 5
I'll take both, thanks. I don't have to choose, and neither should anyone else.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By derdon on 3/16/2007 8:13:16 AM , Rating: 1
To want everything means to pay the highest price, means to earn the most money, means to spend the most time earning the most money to pay the highest price to get everything.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By Kevil on 3/16/2007 9:18:22 AM , Rating: 3
Your logic is seriously flawed...


RE: i'll be the first too...
By TSS on 3/16/2007 9:52:33 AM , Rating: 4
no actually it's still logical, just incomplete and not really applicable at this price point(600 instead of 60.000 or something).

anyways it doesn't matter who's "leading the charts" as i don't see any of these 3 dissapearing anytime soon.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By derdon on 3/16/2007 7:28:18 AM , Rating: 3
Actually it's a good thing, cause the "games are not only about graphics" people have shown their potential and we can expect more fun and different games at the expense of the latest and greatest graphical effects. It's a healthy slap to the industry.
Sure some people will not like this and rather want to drop their jaws in awe infront of their 8800GTX and the newest graphical monster splattering, but I think they are gaming dinosaurs. I like that people come together in real life for gaming and are having fun.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By michal1980 on 3/16/2007 9:53:38 AM , Rating: 1
honestly people are over-rating this 'new' gaming experance with the wii.

what new and great games have they came out with to change gaming?


RE: i'll be the first too...
By jtesoro on 3/16/2007 11:02:04 AM , Rating: 1
Wii Sports?


RE: i'll be the first too...
By michal1980 on 3/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: i'll be the first too...
By spwrozek on 3/16/2007 11:29:26 AM , Rating: 1
I do not agree. Wii-sports is a game. It has goals, different levels (Sports), character development. I still haven't beat it. Getting Pro status in all sports and then getting all the gold medals in the training is freaking hard. Gold medal in home run derby is killing me. 9 out of 10 sooo often!!! Of course Ten for Ten is need for gold. Then you got to get your Wii-Fitness age down to a health 20. The first time I did it I was 68, haha. There is a lot more game there then you think.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By jtesoro on 3/16/2007 11:57:21 AM , Rating: 2
I expect that 99.9% of people will call Wii Sports a game. Not that it will change anyone's minds, but it would be interesting to hear what your definition of a "game" is. Care to enlighten us?


RE: i'll be the first too...
By Goty on 3/16/2007 9:03:56 AM , Rating: 2
If you really want people to take you seriously, you really should learn to use proper grammar.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By BladeVenom on 3/16/2007 2:20:21 PM , Rating: 2
Or at least have something worth reading.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By encryptkeeper on 3/16/2007 9:28:58 AM , Rating: 1
Ahh, it's so nice to see this asshole eat his own words. According to Nexgenwars.com, the Wii has broken the 5 million mark worldwide, while the PS3 hasn't even hit 2 million (currently standing at 1.6 million). My, how the mighty have fallen.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By michal1980 on 3/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: i'll be the first too...
By someguy123 on 3/16/2007 1:59:14 PM , Rating: 2
no one wants sony to die....and no one is looking at turning back time for better gameplay. The wii is a large increase in power compared to the gamecube; it's just that the ps3 and xbox360 are gigantic, billion dollar r&d costing beasts. Sony and M$ are basicly trying to gain a monopoly hold on the industry by destroying their competition with money and expensive tech...something that nintendo cannot afford to fail and get away with.

the only thing people hate about sony is that they own a huge share of the best developers in the world and yet they made such a terrible, wasteful system and constantly make condescending comments towards other companies and even towards their customers. Hell I believe they even said "people WILL buy this product no matter what the price"....


RE: i'll be the first too...
By redbone75 on 3/17/2007 2:31:50 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't exactly call any of these systems "terrible and wasteful." Fact is that you can call most of the systems from the past generation to now wasteful as few developers are ever really able to take full advantage of each system's power. Sure, there are developmental kits for all the systems, but it's up to the talent of the programmers to write truly efficient code to not bog the system down while delivering that eye candy we so crave.

As far as Sony and Microsoft making condescending remarks to the competition, that's just the nature of the business: constant oneupmanship. I grew up on Nintendo, but I love games. Period. I love all the cool new tricks these systems can do, but I love a good gaming experience. Played a few of the big blockbuster games like Gears of War recently, but I also loved the experience that Castlevania: Symphony of the Night provides for the Nintendo DS, and that's a <gasp> 2D sidescroller. Simply depends on what you're into.

One last thing: Nintendo is sitting comfortably and has been for some time. They own the handheld market, remember? The PSP was never a threat and at this point doesn't seem to be for some time. I think it's because Nintendo was smart to appeal to younger fans, as I don't really see adults walking around with their handheld videogame systems, well, at least not the ones trying to score.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By encryptkeeper on 3/16/2007 3:30:52 PM , Rating: 1
Honestly? What I want and like is to see you suffer and get pissed off that your precious Sony PS3 isn't as infallible as you thought it would be. I want to see all of your posts rated at -1 and your ass flamed to hell.
Maybe 2 years from now, ninentdo can release the Wii2 with carts, and we can talk about how much better a 64meg game is. because its all about game play.

Idiot. I just can't say enough bad things about you. You act as though Nintendo set the whole industry back in terms of raw processing power. They didn't put over the top technology in their new console, and it's WAY overselling your PS3, so ADMIT it. Nintendo has made better choices so far in this console war than Sony.


RE: i'll be the first too...
By michal1980 on 3/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: i'll be the first too...
By mircea on 3/17/2007 7:44:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And if the Wii wins this time around, i'll cry, because it will be the first time ever, graphics that are a step back will win.


Actually if you look back During the N64 and original Playstation the second one took the spot even though it was weaker, and again between PS2, GameCube and Xbox, PS2 the weakest of the three won. So It's actually the norm that the weaker system sells best, at least the past 2 generations. I don't know if Genesis was better than SNES, cuz that would mean again the weaker system won.


poor sony
By NotAok on 3/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: poor sony
By BPB on 3/16/2007 10:17:12 AM , Rating: 2
The Wii is fun. Why can't people 14 to 30 understand that? Not everybody wants to play hi-def shoot-em-ups. Why is that so bloody hard for people to get?


RE: poor sony
By ElJefe69 on 3/16/2007 11:32:07 AM , Rating: 2
yeah, the system is totally different. game cube is nothing compared to a Wii.

I see problems arising for wii in the second life arena. THere is a strong desire for connectivity and non gaming gaming. It needs a harddrive/network orientation one day to take the market over truly. PS3 is being very intelligent in this manner. xbox is kiddie crap with some nice games.


RE: poor sony
By Zandros on 3/16/2007 11:35:24 AM , Rating: 2
Not more so than any other console. As you never are forced to actually move that much, the Wiimote is almost as any other controller, but it lacks the ergonomics of the Gamecube controller.

Anything requiring the use of the IR is very hard to control efficiently.


RE: poor sony
By drebo on 3/16/2007 2:57:29 PM , Rating: 2
Just an FYI, the IR sensor bar is there for triangulation only. No actual data is transmitted via IR.

You could use two candles or deep red lightbulbs and it would work just the same.

I have never had an issue finding my cursor in any game I've played.


RE: poor sony
By Zandros on 3/17/2007 12:32:06 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I forgot that, but it doesn't matter for my point anyway. It's basically like pointing with a stick you cannot see, and you can't relax it either because then you are not pointing at the screen any more. It's not like a controller stick you can just let go, and it will stay at the same place.

I did only test on Laser Hockey though.


RE: poor sony
By rykerabel on 3/16/2007 12:30:36 PM , Rating: 2
um, because people under 14 don't have their own money and people over 30 still think their commodore vic 20 games are the most fun.

I'm 36 and yeah i love my old commodore games. i loved my old odyssey, vic20, commodore64, nes, snes, genesis, ps1, n64 and ps2 also. seriously, Wii is just a step back to last years technology game system with a gimmick controller that only works well with very few games.

fact is, hardware does not make fun games, software makes fun games. so Wii, x360, ps3 make no difference on which game is more "fun". only thing the hardware can affect is "immersion". Wii does it with physical motions while x360 and ps3 do it with visual imagery. Both the x360 and ps3 can easily add physical motions but the Wii cannot add better visual imagery. thus the Wii is the worst system.

but consumers don't buy the best, they buy the current fad so the Wii sells.

Eventually Wii people will graduate to the real current gen systems (x360 and ps3) so no worries.

as for which is better, x360 or ps3... which ever has the games you want to play :P


RE: poor sony
By zeroslugfm on 3/17/2007 3:17:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Wii is just a step back to last years technology game system with a gimmick controller that only works well with very few games.


Well this is sorta how the console "arms race" works my friend. As an old gamer, you should know that gimmicks can be fun but it's those quirky games that really stand out through time. Seaman anyone?


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