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AO-rated Manhunt 2 would be unacceptable to Nintendo and Sony

Nintendo tried with the GameCube to shed its image of being a video games system strictly for children by promoting games such as Resident Evil 4. With the widespread success and family appeal of the Wii, Nintendo may be facing another challenge on coming up with the appropriate mix of games for the mature crowd and everyone else.

While Nintendo may be hoping that its developers make mature games for the Wii, it may be getting more than it bargained for with Rockstar Games’ Manhunt 2.

In what could be the game with the most controversy stirred before release, Manhunt 2 is already banned from sale and distribution in the UK, recently also banned in Ireland, and is tentatively rated as AO for adults only by the U.S.-based ESRB.

Although AO-rated games are legally sellable in North America, the approval processes of Nintendo and Sony do not allow such games to appear on its systems. Manhunt 2 is under development for the Wii, PlayStation 2 and PSP, though the game would not be approved for release by Sony or Nintendo.

“Games made for Nintendo systems enjoy a broad variety of styles, genres and ratings. These are some of the reasons our Wii and Nintendo DS systems appeal to such a broad range of people,” read a Nintendo statement to the press. “But as with books, television and movies, different content is meant for different audiences. That's why the ESRB provides ratings to help consumers understand the content of a game before they purchase it. As stated on Nintendo.com, Nintendo does not allow any AO-rated content on its systems.”

Sony Computer Entertainment of America responded to inquiries with a similar response, saying, “Currently it's SCE's policy not to allow the playback of AO rated content on our systems.”

Of the 23 games ever to be given an AO rating by the ESRB, only one has ever appeared on a home console. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, also from Rockstar Games, had its M for mature rating changed to AO following the sexually explicit “Hot Coffee” incident. Copies of the AO rated game were recalled from retailer shelves and replaced with a version of the game without the adults only content.

Even if Sony and Nintendo were to allow the AO version of Manhunt 2 for play on their systems, retailers such as Wal-Mart have a policy of not selling explicit media, which would severely limit the game’s exposure to the buying public.


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Not in Japan
By SinistarX on 6/21/2007 10:06:46 AM , Rating: 2
Sony may be posturing from their moral high horse in the US, but that policy is not in place in Japan where there are several PS2 and PSP titles that would clearly get an AO rating were they to cross the Pacific.




RE: Not in Japan
By gyranthir on 6/21/2007 10:14:46 AM , Rating: 3
More than just several....


RE: Not in Japan
By h0kiez on 6/21/2007 2:03:24 PM , Rating: 4
Am I the only one who wasn't even aware of this game a week ago and now suddenly wants to play it to see what all the hoopla is about?


RE: Not in Japan
By bplewis24 on 6/22/2007 1:29:29 AM , Rating: 3
Welp, you know some folks say there's no such thing as bad press.

Brandon


RE: Not in Japan
By TSS on 6/22/2007 3:54:44 AM , Rating: 3
i'll still remember these bans best when i heard that carmageddon 1 was beeing banned on the news when it came out. i heard my uncle proclaim "now i really wanna play it".

by the way i come bearing grave news from the dutch front: the different goverment coalition partners are all agreeing on a ban, so it probably wont hit the stores even in holland.


RE: Not in Japan
By umerok on 6/25/2007 7:20:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
i'll still remember these bans best when i heard that carmageddon 1 was beeing banned on the news when it came out.


that's the only reason i played postal 2


RE: Not in Japan
By Samus on 6/21/2007 2:49:04 PM , Rating: 4
Reminds me of the first time I took the train into Nagoya City and half the business men were browsing hentai magazines in open public. I'da felt out of place with a newspaper, had I been able to read it anyway.


RE: Not in Japan
By BladeVenom on 6/21/2007 10:20:05 AM , Rating: 1
What about Doki Doki Majo Saiban?


RE: Not in Japan
By darkpaw on 6/21/2007 10:34:08 AM , Rating: 1
Yah, its kinda sad how much censorship exists in this country. Boobies on TV? Oh nos the world is gonna end.

Censorship is bad, m'k.


RE: Not in Japan
By gradoman on 6/21/07, Rating: 0
RE: Not in Japan
By gradoman on 6/21/2007 10:57:25 AM , Rating: 1
no edit...

i meant redundant, not redudant.


RE: Not in Japan
By RjBass on 6/21/2007 11:05:10 AM , Rating: 2
We need breast on your TV's because some of us like them.

Why is this censorship being allowed? I live in the USA, not Communist China. Just because somebody else doesn't like the blood, violence, and sex in a video game or on TV doesn't give them the right to censor me from seeing it.


RE: Not in Japan
By Oregonian2 on 6/21/2007 2:23:35 PM , Rating: 5
I much prefer the boobs than the violence. I say ban the violence and keep the boobs.


RE: Not in Japan
By Xerstead on 6/21/2007 2:52:59 PM , Rating: 5
You have my vote. Boobs are fun, gratuitous violence is not.
Why is the former so taboo and the latter so popular. I've never understood why violence is so accepted/expected in games yet the meer glimpse of a nipple has the censors reaching for the scissors.
GTA: a series of games focussing on violence/prostitution etc which is all ok untill there is a little bit of digitised nudity.
I didn't play the first game but from reading the news reports on MH2 in the media, (biased and inflamitory I know...) I tend to think that a 'game' such as this should not have been made.
I am against most forms of censorship, for adults, but there is a line which should not be crossed. Problem is everybody's idea of where ths line should be drawn is different.


RE: Not in Japan
By artemicion on 6/21/2007 4:36:23 PM , Rating: 5
Those of you complaining that this kind of censorship shouldn't happen in the US because of free speech and all have it all backwards. This is a private company making the decision to censor its content, not the government.
What *would* be #%&-backward is if the government went to Sony and Nintendo and said you MUST have games with boobs on your systems.
Sony and Nintendo are operating (intelligently) in a free market capitalist system: they think that if they keep nudity and excessive violence off their systems, they will sell more systems because they believe the number of people who would refrain from purchasing the console due to explicit content is greater than the number of people who would refrain from purchasing the console due to NOT having explicit content (which, if I may editorialize, is probably correct logic).
Now, theoretically, for all you porn and/or violence lovers, there's nothing stopping somebody from inventing the Pornstation video game console to cater to all of you who are complaining. Heck, the premise of their flagship launch game could be playing as a psychopathic pimp who has to have sex with as many women as possible and subsequently kill and mutilate their bodies and wear their skin as a hat. The reason that it probably isn't going to happen is because, again, in a free market capitalist system, private individuals have come to the conclusion that the demographic of video-game-porn-and-violence-lovers isn't large enough to turn a profit.

So basically what I'm trying to say, is that I find it ironic that all of you are screaming "NOT IN MY COUNTRY - WE BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH AND FREEDOM" because of a situation where, essentially, a private company exercised their right of freedom of speech and choice (by saying, "we don't want porn and excessive violence on our product"). I mean, just look at how ridiculous your argument is: you're saying you live in a country that believes in liberty, but you're essentially demanding a private company to act in a certain way - GIVE ME ACCESS TO VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES. Does anybody else see the irony?


RE: Not in Japan
By Xerstead on 6/21/2007 5:54:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is a private company making the decision to censor its content, not the government.

In the UK the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification) have banned the sale of MH2 in the UK.
Although I understand the logic of having a purely family orientated catalogue, the 'offensive' content wouldn't be on the console. It would be on the discs used in the console. If you don't want adult content don't buy (or your kids) the offending games. Unfortunatly not all parents take propper care of their kids.
I'm not going to start demanding 'Slayer the Hedgehog' And 'Super Mario in Pornoland', but I just dont see how a Nipple is more offensive than a Head-Shot.


RE: Not in Japan
By Oregonian2 on 6/21/2007 5:57:55 PM , Rating: 3
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neither the posting that you followed up to, nor my posting (that he followed up to) say anything of the sort. I (and he) just said that I preferred boobs over violence. Those other issues about governments and the like were just chips on your shoulder.

My preference stands. If you prefer heads being chopped off or people blown up rather than boobs jiggling, that's your choice and I respect it. I just don't agree.

P.S. - As it happens, the U.S. Government does actually censor that which goes on public media such as on TV, although their control is slipping (particularly when our President is caught on the air using strong language that the government previously tried to censor from on air usage). A previous U.S. attorney General had (as a function of his Government position) effectively banned magazines as tame as Playboy from being sold at convenience stores. That's a form of government censorship. Inch by inch.

P.P.S. - I might point out that here in Oregon, the free speech rights in our state constitution is more free than the national standard used by most all other states (if not all). There are those that want to tighten things down, but so far initiatives to do so have been defeated soundly. Hopefully it'll stay that way.


RE: Not in Japan
By NT78stonewobble on 6/22/2007 5:56:07 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm, so your fine about boobies how about some cocks for the ladies to look at on cable?


RE: Not in Japan
By Oregonian2 on 6/22/2007 1:54:19 PM , Rating: 2
My wife would vote for that, which is fine with me.

:-)


RE: Not in Japan