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And we use the term "launch" quite loosely

Nintendo has announced its expected games library for its launch window. Mind you, launch no longer means day of release -- to Nintendo it means any time between November 19 and December 31.

By year's end, Nintendo promises that Wii owners will have 32 new titles to play. They are:

- Treyarch's Call of Duty 3
- Raven Software's Marvel Ultimate Alliance
- Rapala Tournament Fishing
- Toys for Bob's Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
- Left Field Productions' World Series of Poker: Tournament of Champions

- Spike's Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
- Atlus R&D 1's Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Electronic Arts:
- EA Canada/EA Tiburon's Madden NFL '07
- EA Canada/EA Black Box's Need for Speed Carbon

- Konami's Elebits
- Midway Games' Happy Feet
- Midway Games' Rampage: Total Destruction
- Midway Games' The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
- A2M's The Ant Bully

- Monster Games' Excite Truck
- Nintendo's The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
- Nintendo's Wii Sports

- Sega Studios' Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
- SNK/Terminal Reality's Metal Slug Anthology
- Tecmo's Super Swing Golf
- THQ Studio Australia's Avatar: The Last Airbender
- Blue Tongue's Barnyard
- Incinerator Games/Rainbow Studios' Cars
- Blitz Games' SpongeBob SquarePants: The Creature from the Krusty Krab
- Ubisoft Montreal's Far Cry: Vengeance
- MTO's GT Pro Series
- Monster 4X4 World Circuit
- Ubisoft Montreal's Open Season
- Ubisoft Montpellier's Rayman Raving Rabbids
- Ubisoft Paris' Red Steel
- Ubisoft Montreal's Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent

- Ice Age 2: The Meltdown

Nintendo also announced its Virtual Console availability of 30 games. These include games for the NES, Super NES, Nintendo 64, Sega Genesis and TurboGrafx16 consoles.

- Mario Bros.
- The Legend of Zelda
- Donkey Kong
- Donkey Kong Jr.
- Ice Hockey
- Pinball
- Soccer
- Tennis
- Urban Champion
- Wario's Woods
- Baseball
- Solomon's Key
- F-Zero
- SimCity
Nintendo 64:
- Super Mario 64
Sega Genesis:
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Altered Beast
- Golden Axe
- Columns
- Ecco the Dolphin
- Gunstar Heroes
- Space Harrier II
- Toe Jam & Earl
- Ristar
- Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
- Bonk's Adventure
- Super Star Soldier
- Victory Run
- Bomberman '93
- Dungeon Explorer

NES games start at 500 Wii Points, Super NES games start at 800 Wii Points and Nintendo 64 games start at 1,000 Wii Points. Sega Genesis games start at 800 Wii Points and TurboGrafx16 games start at 600 Wii Points. Wii Points can be purchased online or at retail at an MSRP of $20 for 2,000 points, which conveniently works out to a single cent per point.

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By UserDoesNotExist on 11/1/2006 9:23:01 AM , Rating: 3
Gunstar Heroes! SimCity!

And to think I was actually questioning whether I should buy a Wii. I'm sorry, Nintendo! I love you, Nintendo!

RE: Huzzah!
By judasmachine on 11/1/2006 9:33:25 AM , Rating: 2
That was my reaction when I read F-Zero! I know it wasn't the best game, but it brings back memories. I can finally delete this buggy emulator.

RE: Huzzah!
By Ralph The Magician on 11/1/2006 9:57:56 AM , Rating: 2
F-Zero owns.

RE: Huzzah!
By Goty on 11/1/2006 10:21:27 AM , Rating: 2
I think I might just buy a Wii and never buy any of the games actually made for the system!

RE: Huzzah!
By Lazarus Dark on 11/1/2006 11:24:22 AM , Rating: 2
oh, cmon! where's golgeneye and ocarina of time?!
And mariokart- all of em'!

The vc launch list seems a little week in my opinion. But then again, will I really even have time for them with a new Zelda to beat!

RE: Huzzah!
By jm20 on 11/1/2006 2:43:44 PM , Rating: 2
goldeneye would seal the deal for me. just need to make it work with their online mode and im sold!

RE: Huzzah!
By umerok on 11/1/2006 7:10:27 PM , Rating: 2
ToeJam and Earl!

Am I the only one...
By Ralph The Magician on 11/1/06, Rating: 0
RE: Am I the only one...
By michal1980 on 11/1/06, Rating: 0
RE: Am I the only one...
By Hippiekiller on 11/1/2006 11:54:34 AM , Rating: 3
You can put it in your other hand dumbass.

RE: Am I the only one...
By Trisped on 11/1/2006 2:09:40 PM , Rating: 2
And if you have to swing it that much move closer to the screen. If anything it is too sensitive.

RE: Am I the only one...
By sxr7171 on 11/2/2006 12:10:05 AM , Rating: 2
Oooh DVDs... How exciting. Damn. I can't find even one of the 8 devices lying around in my apartment that can play DVDs, so it would make sense to care about having yet another video game console play DVDs.

RE: Am I the only one...
By Xenoterranos on 11/1/2006 11:37:32 AM , Rating: 2
yes, because everyone else will be using the analog stick attachment or the dpad on the wiimote.

RE: Am I the only one...
By Houdani on 11/1/2006 11:52:20 AM , Rating: 2
Methinks that Konami's Elebits title couldn't be played with a standard control scheme. I'd also be interested in seeing how well an NFL/NHL/MLB (substitute cricket or jai lai if it pleases you) game plays with a motion controller.

I may look goofy doing it, but I'd have a ball playing the air drums with two Wiimotes. My wife would probably get a kick out of being a wild haired conductor for a symphony. My pops would fly fish for hours.

I dunno. I think the unique characteristics of the Wii control mechanism can cater to an untapped market of non-traditional gameplay. Sure, many of those markets are niche, but don't underestimate value of those markets as a whole.

RE: Am I the only one...
By sxr7171 on 11/2/2006 12:07:11 AM , Rating: 2
How about Super Monkey Ball and Elebits? Just off the top of my head, and I'm sure there's more. Narrow minded cretin.

Earth to Nintendo
By Sceptor on 11/1/2006 11:33:13 AM , Rating: 3
Hey Nintendo, If you want to emulate N64 games...
How about the best GoldenEye and Mario Kart.

GoldenEye with new controller would be great.
Mario Kart with Excite Truck control...nice.

RE: Earth to Nintendo
By Trisped on 11/1/2006 2:14:25 PM , Rating: 2
Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, Mario Cart. Mario 64 was fun, but overplayed. Give me something with some multi player that never gets old.

RE: Earth to Nintendo
By StevoLincolnite on 11/1/2006 7:16:57 PM , Rating: 3
Those are emulated games, But last night I had some friends come over with their kids, and not owning a PS2 or Xbox anymore... (Sold 'em to upgrade my PC!). I pulled the trusty Nintendo 64 out f the cupboard and fired up mario kart, Sure the graphics werent the best, nor were they the worst, But the thing is, the kids were laughing and entertained for hours! I even joined in the fun for awhile :) If the Wii can emulate all the classic greats, I'm all for it, I could then give away My Nes, Snes and Nintendo 64 to a friend's kid for them to get the same enjoyment as I have. I was dissapointed in the VC lineup because there was no:
- Goldeneye (N64)
- Perfect Dark (N64)
- Mario Kart (N64)
- Zelda (N64 and Snes)
- Lylat Wars! (Starfox in America - N64).
- Super Mario Brothers (Snes)
- Smash brothers (N64)

Sure more games will come at as, nintendo adds 'em.
A system I would LOVE to be added would be the Sega Master System! There was one classic game when I was a kid called "Asterix". *Sigh* Before the PS2 and Xbox Games were just that... Games. now they are more focused on Graphics than Gameplay. (Well seems to me anyway). Hopefully Nintendo can revive The good old days, where you could sit in front a T.V. and have a 4 player game, laughing and carrying on. You dont seem to have the same effect with the newer games.
And the controller crap, Does anyone know if they will release Nintendo 64, Gamecube, Snes And the Sega controllers on the Wii? If someone does, I'm buying 'em!

RE: Earth to Nintendo
By sxr7171 on 11/2/2006 12:16:02 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah things really went downhill for gaming with the PS2 and to a lesser extent the Xbox. It became all about graphics and hype about graphics. More specifically for me it went down the tubes when the Dreamcast died. I bought the the "next generation" systems and not one could really hold my interest. I mean there were some really good games but it was like 1 in every 10 games I bought that I really felt like finishing and 3 of those were Gamecube games interestingly: Viewtiful Joe, Zelda: Wind Waker, and Metroid Prime. There were others but, it was nothing like Dreamcast where amazing games were coming out one after the other. Oh well I hope the Wii restores my faith in console gaming.

Great way to keep interest in Wii .....
By ToeCutter on 11/1/2006 9:53:33 AM , Rating: 2
I had no idea Nintendo would be offering so many older titles. The list is by no means complete, but still impressive.

I think this "Virtual Console" will offer far more value than many originally anticipated. Wii owners will have even more to look forward to each month as new games are added to the catalog. The ability to go online and snag a few older titles on sheer impulse seems pretty interesting.

Well done, Nintendo. Big N has really stoked my interest in a console that I hadn't really taken seriously until just a few short months ago.

RE: Great way to keep interest in Wii .....
By Loc13 on 11/1/2006 11:18:11 AM , Rating: 2
Geez LEARN TO COUNT! There are 31 Wii Titles, excluding the VC titles...

By Ralph The Magician on 11/1/2006 1:55:52 PM , Rating: 2
Learn to read, dumbass. My response was to the OP, who was talking strickly about the list of games on the VC being "impressive".

RE: Great way to keep interest in Wii .....
By robber98 on 11/1/2006 3:59:41 PM , Rating: 2
Tell me, which console in history has that many launch title INCLUDING old video games title like Mario?

By mintbiskit on 11/1/2006 10:17:41 PM , Rating: 2
I thought the PS2 was backward compatible from launch, thats a lot of old titles available at launch isnt it?

By Alphafox78 on 11/1/2006 10:06:45 AM , Rating: 3
How can you have NES emulation without Contra??!?
up up down down left rigth left right b a b a start!

By Russell on 11/1/2006 10:10:57 AM , Rating: 3
This is only the launch lineup. We can hope for better (eg: Contra) in the future.

By encryptkeeper on 11/1/2006 10:21:34 AM , Rating: 2
Nintendo is supposed to launch 10 or so titles for the VC every month.

I'm getting a mixed reaction
By killerroach on 11/1/2006 9:34:51 AM , Rating: 3
The launch list looks impressive... this is, after all, the largest console launch title list in history (although, considering how they're defining "launch" I'm not so sure... it could be possible that the number of games out on Day One is comparable to the size of the X360 or PS3 launches). Way more licensed games than I would ever touch, but to each their own. Nice to see Rayman Raving Rabbids and Red Steel as launch titles... if I were getting a Wii, those would probably be my two first choices.

However, I'm a bit disappointed by the Virtual Console selection... only two SNES games and one N64 game at launch? At least they have slightly better Genesis and TG16 support (even if those games also will cost more than the SNES games, sigh), but it's a far cry from what we were led to believe from Nintendo early on (or we just misinterpreted them, one or the other). Either way, I hope to see this list explode in size, but, if it doesn't, I'll still be more than happy to drop $5 on F-Zero if I so felt like it.

By killerroach on 11/1/2006 10:01:21 AM , Rating: 2
oops, misread that... Genesis and SNES games cost the same, TG16 titles selling for more than NES. That makes more sense.

RE: I'm getting a mixed reaction
By sxr7171 on 11/2/2006 12:18:23 AM , Rating: 2
Ubisoft is really hooking Nintendo up this time. They did a nice job on Dreamcast too. I'm beginning to see them as the anti-EA. Although even EA seems pretty excited about the Wii (for a company full of sell out whores that is).

By NotAok on 11/1/06, Rating: 0
RE: meh
By GoodRevrnd on 11/1/2006 2:52:40 PM , Rating: 2
I was going to pick up a Wii, but honestly I can wait until they release Smash Brothers Brawl next spring.

RE: meh
By Josh7289 on 11/1/2006 8:21:14 PM , Rating: 2
Try next fall.

By waamatt on 11/1/2006 11:41:46 AM , Rating: 3
i think people have to realize that various publishers have to make their games available for the virtual console. you want Contra? start writing to Konami. i seriously doubt you'll see any Rare-made games that weren't straight-up Nintendo property will be released for the VC. i'd be surprised if Diddy Kong Racing was seeing as how it crosses over with Rare-owned characters (Conker, Banjo and Kazooie). it might be up to EA or whoever currently holds the Bond license to allow Nintendo to release GoldenEye for the vc.

if hudsonsoft really owns all the nec titles from the tg16, then i will make a mess in my pants if they release Blazing Lasers - easily one of the best vertical scrolling shooters EVER.

By therealnickdanger on 11/1/2006 9:25:59 AM , Rating: 2
There's lots of current-gen repeats which I'm sure will look/sound better on 360/PS3, but the meat seems to be the classics. It's odd, I have thousands of ROMs, but the prospect of having these classics on a new console seems exciting! Still though, no online-enabled version of Streets of Rage, no deal.

Why isn't Xbox Live Arcade pumping these out? SEGA's entire library should be up by now...

Go Wii!

By ksherman on 11/1/2006 9:50:00 AM , Rating: 2
SIMCITY!!!!!!! best game ever :-)

Better with an emulator though, you can speed up time!

Earning Points
By banana989 on 11/1/2006 11:12:19 AM , Rating: 2
Is it possible to earn Wii points or will I have to buy them every time ?

No contra?!?!?
By MrDiSante on 11/1/2006 12:36:44 PM , Rating: 2
I can't believe not a single title from the contra series is on there. Me and my brother had the best time playing it (especially contra force).

Love the WII, hate the market
By bldckstark on 11/1/2006 1:22:31 PM , Rating: 2
I just checked Wal-Marts site since they are apparently allowing pre-orders today. $533 bundle. Geez, Sam Walton must be rolling over in his grave!

Japan > Everywhere Else
By Josh7289 on 11/1/2006 8:23:08 PM , Rating: 2
Once again, anyone living outside of Japan gets the short end of the stick, and it is a very short end. :(

Get on the ball DailyTech
By encryptkeeper on 11/1/06, Rating: -1
RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By michal1980 on 11/1/06, Rating: 0
RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By encryptkeeper on 11/1/06, Rating: -1
RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By wuZheng on 11/1/2006 9:41:15 AM , Rating: 1
I agree with michal on this one, you gotta lighten up, DailyTech is a news site. News = Information, and thats what DailyTech is providing. Information. If you don't like the information, then disregard it, move along, and continue with life, because lifes a bit too short to rag on every little thing...

Also, I think that a launch window = launch, its not like you were going to buy all those games on November 19th anyways.

RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By blwest on 11/1/06, Rating: -1
By Ralph The Magician on 11/1/2006 9:50:23 AM , Rating: 2
QQ more please.

RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By UserDoesNotExist on 11/1/2006 9:51:16 AM , Rating: 5
I'm stoked about the Wii, even to the point of fanboyism, but I don't really see anything negative about that sentence. It's a true statement. I'd like to know what games I can buy November 19th, and it does slightly irk me that Nintendo corporate itself keeps defining "launch" as a 6 week period. The true "launch" Wii titles have been known for quite some time, but Nintendo's been a lot more dodgy about the VC titles.

As someone else has already said, if DailyTech hates anything, it's the PS3. I'm no big fan of Sony at all (I don't plan on buying a PS3 until the non-gimp version reaches at least $400, probably not even then) but seriously, many times if you actually read the articles that DT posts about the PS3, they'll have hand-picked only the negative comments out and put them in the article summary.

RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By Xenoterranos on 11/1/2006 11:18:30 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, but everybody hates the PS3. It's like owning an iPod. Strangely and impossibly ubiquitous and chic all at once.

Even Gabe and Tycho hate the PS3.
(Ok, I don't know if that has any bearing here, but it's true)

RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By dug777 on 11/1/2006 11:37:18 AM , Rating: 2
Sheesh folks, get with the program, dailytech is slowly but surely morphing into sonyissatantech, the domain name is due to change sometime in the next few weeks last i heard from Kris...


On topic, i have to admit that i'm curiously drawn to the Wii. It seems to have great potential for playing while drinking with your mates (at least until some joker wii-s on it)...

RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By daftrok on 11/1/06, Rating: 0
RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By Trisped on 11/1/2006 2:07:08 PM , Rating: 2
The pertinent points are as follows:
AnandTech and DailyTech don't like paper launches. They like a product launch to be similar to a boat launch. You put the boat in the water, the buyer/owner steps on board and drives it off. ATI and Nintendo don't do that, so they post it in a negative way. Personally I would have been looking for everything November 1 if they hadn't.

Sony makes its own bad news. DailyTech just reports it. It is hard to make bad news not sound bad without sounding prejudice. "Sony announced today that they will not ship enough PS3 units because some people just aren't ready for how cool it is. Who is ready enough? The people who are willing to pay 4-7 figures are ready."

RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By akugami on 11/1/2006 4:44:00 PM , Rating: 3
There are also millions who want to buy (and have bought) the Xbox 360 as there are millions waiting to buy the Nintendo Wii. Sony's PS3 will sell millions and should not have a problem reaching 10 million in sales after next Christmas. The hardcore gamers will allow all three system to reach these numbers easily. And 15-20 million should be within easy reach of all three systems as some of the more serious gamers with maybe limited income saves up a bit for these systems.

The problem as I see it is that the PS3 and Xbox 360 is too expensive for most gamers. Yes, I know the price issue has been beaten to death but hear me out. The problem is that while many gamers may want to buy the PS3 it is so expensive that most of the parents or Joe Gamers with limited income can't justify spending $600 (after tax and game for the lower end PS3) or $700 (higher end PS3) for a game system. Too much money to reel in the casual folks who will just go with a cheaper PS2 or if a newer system likely a Nintendo Wii.

The hardcore gamers and people with lots of disposable income will buy the PS3's. That's not even in question. However, Sony is vastly overestimating consumer demand for their system even though it has Blu-Ray playback. Let's face it, even DVD players that came in as the crowned heir to the VHS video empire didn't really take off until players dropped in price from it's initial $500-1000 players. These early adopters and hardcore folks are limited in number and if you think you can get much past 25+ million from hardcore gamers and early adopters alone, you're nuts.

Even the Wii is not that cheap when you consider tax and a game which should bring it roughly in at about $350. Not to mention the controllers are $60 a pop!

To a lesser degree the Xbox 360 is in the same quandary as the PS3 but you figure with a likely price drop ($50 to $100) by next Christmas and they should do all right with a hopefully $400 to $450 premium bundle after one game and tax. Even with a $100 price drop for both PS3 units it's still $500 for the lower priced PS3, again with a game and tax. I see both the PS3 and Xbox 360 as somewhat of a wash as far as pricing goes by next Christmas.

If past history is any indication, once the price of a console drops down to $150-200 MSRP is when the casual gamers really get reeled in. And as it stands, the Xbox 360 and especially the PS3 has a long way to go before it hits that price point.

I think Sony is seriously overestimating consumer demand for their behemoth of a system and that had they ditched the Blu-Ray drive to bring it in line with how much an Xbox 360 costs, it'd be the hands down winner. As it is, various components in the PS3 are driving up the price to the point I think it's out of reach for all but the hardcore for the first two years and by the time the PS3 drops enough in price to build momentum, Sony may find itself in an overly tight race as developers start to eye the Wii or 360 as their primary systems due to more than decent sales of those two systems. Consumers go where the 3rd party support is. And Sony has won with it's PS1 and PS2 solely due to 3rd party support. If this weakens due to less than stellar sales of the PS3, then Sony may find itself 2nd or even last in this race.

RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By michal1980 on 11/1/06, Rating: 0
RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By afkrotch on 11/2/2006 8:03:44 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, that's why millions paid what the Xbox 360 costs, when the PS2 was released. Not to mention even higher when you count all those ebay sellers.

The PS2 was by no means, cheap, during it release, but millions bought it. Ppl were beating each other up outside the stores to get it.

The same thing happened with the Xbox 360. The same thing will happen with the PS3. Once Sony fixes their production shortages, I expect Sony to easily sell millions of consoles before the middle of 2007 (if they fix the production shortages).

I'm sorry, but you are underestimating and overestimating consumers. Those with limited income aren't going to buy their kids a Wii. They are going to buy them crap like clothes, not a console to play games.

Also ppl nowadays have a good chunk of disposable income. If they didn't, we wouldn't see all these gas guzzling SUV everywhere, on every street, in every neighborhood of the US.

If ppl find something they want, they will save to get what they want. I myself with get a PS3. Not on launch though. I always wait for the early adopters to get the jacked up consoles. Then when the huge flaws are fixed, then I buy one.

RE: Get on the ball DailyTech
By Googer on 11/2/2006 2:46:57 AM , Rating: 3
Turning on my French language mode

Wii Wii Wii ils auront, Altered Beast pour Nintendo oui!

(Pun Intended)

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