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Mario Kart 8
The Wii U continues to disappoint

It looks as though Nintendo just can’t catch a break this decade, having just reported its third straight full year of losses. For fiscal 2013, Nintendo had an operating loss of $457 million and net loss of $228 million as sales of its Wii U continue to sputter in the marketplace.
 
Even more disappointing is that the operating loss figure is actually worse than the already reduced forecast that Nintendo gave back in January. At the time, Nintendo forecast fiscal year operating losses of $394 million.
 
Since its lukewarm introduction in late 2012, Nintendo has only managed to sell 6.17 million Wii U consoles. Nintendo was only able to sell 2.72 million Wii U consoles during fiscal 2013.
 
For comparison’s sake, Sony managed to sell 6 million of its pricier PlayStation 4 consoles in just four months.
 
Nintendo acknowledges that it “still faces a challenging sales situation” and that it “will focus on efforts that seek to stimulate the platform.”

 
Looking forward, Nintendo is banking on the success of the two upcoming titles to reinvigorate the platform: Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U. Mario Kart 8 alone should be enough to delight existing Wii U owners, but it remains to be seen how many fresh Wii U customers it can bring in with the title.
 
But while Wii U numbers were definitely disappointing, Nintendo was definitely more upbeat about the performance of the 3DS. Nintendo was able to move 12.24 million units of the popular handheld console and 67.89 million 3DS games during the fiscal year.

Source: Nintendo [PDF]



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Consumers won't be fooled again....
By EasyC on 5/7/2014 11:47:20 AM , Rating: 3
They already sank money into the Wii name with the original. The novelty of that system wore off really quick. I don't know anyone who bought a Wii and used it on a consistent basis. They weren't about to do the same with the Wii U.

Rather sad. I was a huge Nintendo fan and owned all their consoles up to and including the Wii. After two weeks, I found it collecting dust. After talking to a couple dozen owners, and hearing the same story, I can't help but think it's causing the hesitation with the Wii U. It almost seems like Nintendo just threw together something "different" for the sake of being "different".

Alas, I hear they are designing something new amidst the flop of the Wii U. I hope it's something competitive. I don't want to see Sony get fat and happy in this gen. Competition is good for consumers...




RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By Motoman on 5/7/2014 11:58:08 AM , Rating: 5
Sounds like another "hardcore" gaming trying to make excuses for how the Wii utterly destroyed all the competition in the previous generation. Just doing something "to be different" wouldn't take Microsoft and Sony to the cleaners. The Wii was absolutely compelling.

The problem is that the Wii U isn't. At least, not in light of the fact that the Wii already happened. There's no value for Wii owners to get rid of their Wii and buy a Wii U. And Wii literally just hit market saturation...anyone and everyone who was even vaguely interested in a casual gaming console bought the Wii. And almost none of them are buying the Wii U because it's not going to do anything for them over and above what the Wii already does.

I know a lot of households that only have a Wii...and they use it. I know some that only have a Wii and don't use it. I also know lots of households like ours, where there's multiple consoles in the house, and different levels of use. In our house, the XBox 360 may as well be a paperweight...while the Wii (and now a Wii U, since my wife thought I'd like one for Christmas...I really didn't want it) gets light use. Usually when friends come over.

To be perfectly honest, even though I am part of the first generation that grew up with video games and home game consoles, there's literally nothing on the XBox or PS that entices me at all. If I'm going to play games like those, I'm going to do it on my PC. The Wii is a totally different experience than what I can do on my PC. That's why it gets used, and the 360 doesn't.

Anyway...back to the main point - the Wii U isn't sufficiently differentiated from the Wii. The handheld controller thing is just...strange. I can't say that I feel that it adds much to the gaming experience. Beyond that, there's not any functional difference over the Wii - and no, the vast majority of Wii consumers don't know or care about the fact that the Wii U is HD wheras the Wii isn't. Graphics rendering power never was, and never will be, a selling point for casual gamers.

The trick Nintendo has to find is something that compels casual gamers to go out and buy again. That's infinitely harder than compelling "hardcore" gamers to go out and buy - that's easy. Just throw something at the wall and call it Call of Duty 57.

I don't know what Nintendo is going to do. I'm afraid they're about to fail miserably. And that will be sad, since I basically grew up with them...and have already seen Atari and Sega turn into the absolutely worthless IP licensing houses that some people want Nintendo to become. That's not a strategy though...that's a death sentence.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By EasyC on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By Motoman on 5/7/2014 12:17:18 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
I don't need to write a [counts] 7 paragraph diatribe about how great something is, just because one chose to spend money on it.


It would seem that you didn't really read it. Because I mentioned that we hardly use it ourselves. I mentioned that we only have a Wii U because my wife got it for Christmas thinking I'd like it...when I didn't want it. So...as for a "diatribe about how great" the product is...you clearly need to revisit your ESL classes.

The irrefutable fact of the matter is that the Wii laid waste to MS and Sony in the previous generation. There's no way around that...at least, not if you're possessed of sufficient cognitive ability. The other irrefutable fact is that the Wii U is falling on it's face, and I've described why that is.

You may one day want to work on your lack of "cognitive ability" and also start reading posts before replying to them. You've embarrassed yourself tremendously.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By degobah77 on 5/7/2014 12:50:19 PM , Rating: 2
In my experience, most people bought a Wii, played it for 5 minutes, and then it collected dust. The novelty of swinging a remote around was paper thin and most people figured out how to play the games without even moving, which was the whole point of the gimmick.

However, children and their grandparents did the sports games and the console was installed in every assisted living community/nursery in the US - shows the target audience of casual systems.

Meanwhile, I had to have my Xbox 360 repaired 4 goddamn times because it was a must have regardless of how unreliable it was. And I'm far from a hardcore gamer, it just had the games that kept me coming back with story lines, high production values, in-depth, varied gameplay and replayability.

The Wii was successful only because it was cheap and people are easy to fool.

Nintendo won't be able to pull that off again - they actually have to release a gaming system next time, and the Wii U was not it.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By hpglow on 5/7/2014 1:23:44 PM , Rating: 2
What I read from that paragraph is that you never spent any time with the Wii. There were a few good titles for the wii Red Steel 2 comes to mind. While I didn't care for the console my wife, kid, and my friends would play it for hours.

The XB360 was a huge pile. I had the first gen MS repaired it 4x then once they refused I paid a shop to fix it twice. When it broke again I gave my hdd to a friend with no hdd and tossed it in the trash. It was in the open off the carpet and all that. I will never buy another MS console. I migrated to the PS3 and PC.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By degobah77 on 5/7/2014 2:31:46 PM , Rating: 1
Personally, I think No More Heroes was the only game worth playing on Wii. I played the hell out of it. That was it. The console was a one and done deal for most people and they're not going to get duped again.

Unlike the 360 which I bought dozens of titles for and was still playing up until I got a PS4 and Xbox One. Hell, I am STILL playing GTA V. My PS3 barely got any attention other than a few decent exclusives - Uncharted, Infamous, God Of War, Resistance - the rest being garbage or better on the 360.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By ven1ger on 5/7/2014 4:57:02 PM , Rating: 2
The Wii was a good product, the remotes worked well and the games were fun. We went through 3 Wii's, because my kids loved it with friends to play with. Kids have gotten older and while they still like the Wii to play with every so often the PS3 has become their main unit because the games are more intensive I guess, as they have gotten older.

My kids don't seem to care about the Wii-U but they were asking about the PS4. I think you have to think target audience, the Wii was targeted for a younger audience than the PS3 or the X-Box. The Wii did extremely well for its target audience.


By Labotomizer on 5/8/2014 8:59:50 AM , Rating: 2
I got enough out of my Wii to make it a worthwhile investment. And I have no doubt that over the next few years the Wii U will be the same. That's all I really care about.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By hpglow on 5/7/2014 1:09:42 PM , Rating: 3
I also have one because the wife thought it was going to be a good purchase. I like the controler its nice and wide and fits the hands nice. The screen on it is ok I hate it and lothe games that make me pull hands off the buttons. The only use it has is when I have a bunch of friends over sometimes one will play a game on the controller. The super mario games are pretty good. That's it for the positives.

The problems? Virtual console games cost way too much. Not enough games, you can only play mario games so much (although my daughter loves 3d world). Most of the third party games I can have on a steam sale for pennies on the dollar or used for other consoles. Throw some money at these devs Nintendo it feels like you have already given up. No wii mote+ in the box common Nintendo I gave my wii to my nephew and now I can't play my wii games. No wii spors and wii fit at launch. Still no proper zelda game (I feel like I just completed Windwaker on GC). How about an HD remake of the nes and snes zeldas? Why remove the GC controller ports? Now I own a useless wii DDR mat.

Is all lost? No they could still ressurect the wii u, but since launch Nintendo has done nothing but treat this console the way Sega treated the Saturn. Before some tool predicts the end of Nintendo you all need to remember they still have billions of actual cash in the bank Nintendo can weather a couple more of these storms. Whereas sucessful as the PS4 is Sony is still hemoraging cash, taking out loans, and selling buildings. I'm no fanboy to anything other than the PC.


By Labotomizer on 5/8/2014 9:01:14 AM , Rating: 2
Playing Mario 3D world in the recliner while my wife watches stupid TV shows was very handy. Then Wind Waker, which was a great game.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By valkator on 5/7/14, Rating: 0
By Labotomizer on 5/8/2014 9:02:36 AM , Rating: 3
If you take out the types of gamers that play CoD for 1000 hours then I think you'd find a different story. Don't get me wrong, I got some games on the 360 I really enjoyed. But for the most part those types of games were available on the PC and better on the PC.


By Chaser on 5/7/2014 3:53:31 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The irrefutable fact of the matter is that the Wii laid waste to MS and Sony in the previous generation.
Thanks for the marketing update from the year 2008. How does your "irrefutable fact" add anything relevant to this article?


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By tayb on 5/7/2014 2:07:43 PM , Rating: 1
I think console, game, and accessory sales numbers are a better indicator of success than your random personal musings. So you didn't like the Wii and only played it for a few minutes? What a compelling story! If that were the case with most gamers, or even a modest percentage, game and accessory sales wouldn't also be through the roof.

If you exclude Minecraft and Tetris the Nintendo Wii has 5 of the top 9 selling games of all time. There are 7 total Wii exclusive games in the top 40. This is compared to 1 Xbox 360 exclusive and 0 Playstation 3 exclusives.

I can't imagine how anyway can objectively look at the previous console generation and proclaim that the Wii was anything but a runaway success.

The Wii U hasn't been successful because Nintendo released it way too early with a gimped controller. There were no games to play the controller triggers lacked sensitivity necessary for compelling game play. Only now are there decent games starting to trickle out. It's too bad because the Wii U stands alone as being 100% backward compatible while the One/PS4 basically pissed on the previous generation.

I will absolutely purchase a Wii U when there are more compelling games to play and I will have a great time playing them. I still play Mario Kart Wii, it's a great game.


By koenshaku on 5/7/2014 3:40:49 PM , Rating: 2
All you do is look at NPD numbers for the Wii in the previous generation it leapfrogged consoles that were already on the market for over a year when it released, but after the kinnect came out it was the fastest selling electronic device in history. I am surprised so many people are oblivious to console sells NPD was published monthly publicly during that generation.

Xbox 360 actually came out on top of the previous generation while the Wii sold a ton of titles those titles were largely 1st party like most Nintendo consoles and 3rd developers with rare exceptions of titles like Just Dance most other 3rd party devs were left in the hanging in the wind. Nintendo apparently realized the trend of new gamers not buying titles and core gamers getting bored when they aren't playing with groups and made a ditch effort to return to core gamers before Sony and MS put out their almost full HD consoles, but failed at both so here they are. Out of the next gen consoles I would probably purchase a wii U you though it is the only console that still seems like a console instead of a mid range gamer laptop connected to a TV.


By bug77 on 5/7/2014 12:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
My Wii collects dust, but only because I'm not within their target audience anymore. But I still bought it to see what it was about. Microsoft and Sony both scrambled to bring their version of motion controllers. That was a success.
Wii U on the other hand... I can't even imagine how an entertaining game would look on that contraption. Apparently, game developers can't do that either. But unlike Google, who's not afraid to shut down products that don't gain traction, it seems Nintendo went all in with U and can't/won't fix that.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
By Rukkian on 5/7/2014 5:24:02 PM , Rating: 2
While our Wii and Wii U don't get used that much anymore, before we moved out of state, the Wii got used alot. Many of the games were great during get together that included adult beverages. Wario smooth moves was hillarious once you have a few drinks. Even some of the sports titles and other games were good for this environment where there were people that may not have been hardcore gamers.

My older son (13) bought a 360 with Christmas money, and that probably gets used more, but they still use the Wii U, and have even gotten the gamecube back out for some of the games we had on that.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By Manch on 5/7/2014 2:20:31 PM , Rating: 3
Well, the problem is that a lot of hardcore gamers are Nintendo fans and they want the quality of Nintendo games running on decent hardware. The Wii was fun at first but ultimately gimmicky. The Wii U is the same trick recycled.

Nintendo abandon there gamer fan base for that blue ocean crap. The Wii U is Nintendos very own version of Windows 8.

I like Nintendo games but when they just start recycling there games and rereleasing the same one but in a different format or some tacky multiplayer attached it gets old.

A lot of their fan base has grown up and demand more.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By inighthawki on 5/8/2014 2:14:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Well, the problem is that a lot of hardcore gamers are Nintendo fans and they want the quality of Nintendo games running on decent hardware

I'm not sure I agree. I'm perfectly happy with the hardware being on the lower end, it just needs to be priced aggressively and they need to rid themselves of their awful streak of trying to adopt gimmicks. I can understand when you gamble on a technology and it takes off, it pays to be the one with the foot in the door. But at some point, you should cut losses and no go deeper in the rabbit hole.

* Wii U - Ditch the gimmicky tablet. The motion controls can go, but I think a few games could possibly benefit from it. But it comes at a cost - literally - that probably isnt worth it.
* 3DS - Remove the 3D. It's gimmicky and useless, provides literally zero functionality and even gives many people headaches. I don't care who says what, 3D is never going to take off. I'd even argue that the double screen can go.
* Make both $100

Next take a look at their game lineup. Their first party titles are classics and have solid gamesplay and storylines, but they are not pacing things correctly. Each iteration of mario insists on adding new and strange mechanics to the game that it doesn't need. Other games like Metroid and Kirby end up feeling ignored. As far as I'm concerned, the last decent metroid game was Prime 3, and that was 2007. Since then there's been what, Other M? What a disaster that game was.

So no, I don't really want more. I want less, and I want it cheaper. Many of their games are solid, they just need, dare I say, less polish, and less gimmick. Don't figure out how to make a Zelda game that works with a stylus, just give me an awesome adventure game with 4 directions and two item buttons.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By Labotomizer on 5/8/2014 9:07:28 AM , Rating: 3
The analog stick was considered a gimmick prior to the N64 launch...

Innovation requires what people initially will often label as gimmicks. If you're okay with consoles constantly recycling the same tech and making it faster than we'd still be playing on D-Pads with 2 buttons. Sometimes there are failures. But failures are what ultimately drive the market, repeating past successes do not.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By inighthawki on 5/8/2014 11:20:07 AM , Rating: 2
Except that analog sticks caught on. The Wii sparked interest in investing in motion controls, but look how that turned out. Every other person complains about how they don't want a Kinect with the XBO, and PS Move is fairly nonexistent as far as use.

The problem is that a lot of the technology that Nintendo is investing in is not necessarily super cheap, and it drives up the cost of their products, while adding very little value compared to the competition. I'm not about to go pay $250-$300 for a Wii U to play the latest and greatest Mario game because I can stream the gameplay on the TV, or because the tablet view of the game provides some cool little menu as I play.

Innovation also requires knowing when to cut your losses on something that either isn't working, or simply isn't ready for the market to adopt yet. Or realizing when the thing that the market wants is something rather simple.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By ven1ger on 5/8/2014 2:13:10 PM , Rating: 2
I actually enjoyed the motion controller on the Wii, the Kinect and Move were just playing catchup. For a cheaper system like the Wii it offered a nice innovation to the gaming experience, and that is one of the reasons why the Wii was extremely popular.

I tried the Move and I didn't like it. Because the Wii included motion control in its system from the beginning, it was more fluid and consistent, as an add-on for the X-Box and the PS3, it just wasn't coming across very well.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By Reclaimer77 on 5/8/2014 2:54:31 PM , Rating: 1
Video games are meant to be played sitting on your ass with a controller planted between your legs or lap area.

The Wii was fun to play for a few minutes, then became very tiresome and gimmicky. Or flat out exhausting. Like Wii Boxing, omg, I've beaten peoples asses in real life with much less effort than that game required of me.

Motion control is like 3D TV's, a gimmick. I think Microsoft and Sony have it right. Motion control should only be used to AUGMENT traditional control methods, not be the entire focus of it.


By inighthawki on 5/8/2014 3:42:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Video games are meant to be played sitting on your ass with a controller planted between your legs or lap area.

Hey hey now, let's not forget about comfy chairs with your hands on a keyboard and mouse ;)

Side note: I think for once we're actually in agreement on something! :)


By ianweck on 5/8/2014 11:13:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Don't figure out how to make a Zelda game that works with a stylus, just give me an awesome adventure game with 4 directions and two item buttons.


This.


RE: Consumers won't be fooled again....
By KFZ on 5/8/2014 11:55:48 AM , Rating: 1
>>The trick Nintendo has to find is something that compels casual gamers to go out and buy again. That's infinitely harder than compelling "hardcore" gamers to go out and buy - that's easy. Just throw something at the wall and call it Call of Duty 57.<<

It's always funny to listen to people rip Call of Duty as the quintessential recycle bin of gaming when Nintendo has world record running series they've been making, remaking, and repackaging since the 1980s. What's even funnier is how many people from the 80s and 90s started back then, have stayed on and still buy every new title to series they've played their entire lives and consider each one an objective success without any argument for samey feelings.

Mario Party by *itself* rivals Call of Duty in the release department. I won't wait for the responses of how different each Mario Party is (I've seen quite a few, seriously, don't bother, it's a freaking board game with star-collecting).

There's plenty of room for arguing hardware. But games? You can't rip a platform for success with titles without accounting for personal taste.


By inperfectdarkness on 5/8/2014 1:38:10 PM , Rating: 2
Did you seriously just compare COD to Nintendo's 1st party releases on "quality"?

If so, I have an underwater habitat in Death Valley that I'd like to sell you.


By Nutzo on 5/7/2014 1:33:21 PM , Rating: 2
I bought a Wii due the the number of kid friendly games, the casual gaming, and the lower price.

The kids still use the Wii on a regular basis, including to play some older gamecube games. The wife still uses some of the fitness "games". If it where to break tomorrow, I'd go out and buy a used one to replace it.

Nintendo makes most thier money off software, yet in thier effort to push people to thier newer systems (Wii U and the 3DS), they have abandoned their older systems (the Wii and the DS-Lite). In the past I bought my own copy of most the Pokemon games, so I could play/battle with my kids. However, the last version was 3DS only. Only one of my kids has a 3DS, so that was only 1 pokemon game in my household. It's not worth the money to buy a new handheld or console just to play an updated version of a game.


By Da W on 5/7/2014 3:55:37 PM , Rating: 2
Blah blah blah

You buy a Nintendo consol if you like to play Marios, Zeldas, Pokemons etc. Kids still love it. I do to, i have a big PC plus a Wii U. No xbox, no PS4, i laught at these underpowered mici-pcs.

What is killing Nintendo is their stubborness to build something "Different" every generation. Different sometimes hit, often misses. Thrid party games now sell consoles, and third party developpers don't want different anymore.

But Nintendo has risen from the dead before.


I think Nintendo misunderstands gamers
By MrBungle123 on 5/7/2014 1:14:48 PM , Rating: 3
I get the sense from Nintendo that they think that gaming is something that kids do and eventually grow out of. The target audience for Nintendo products seems to be pre-teens. There is very little there for anyone 15+ years of age and that is why they are floundering.

Its fine to have kids titles, but seriously they need to make something a bit more conventional with more powerful hardware that appeals to a more mature audience if they want to see the sales numbers that will push them back into profitability.




RE: I think Nintendo misunderstands gamers
By TEAMSWITCHER on 5/8/2014 7:15:30 AM , Rating: 2
I think Nintendo's right. I recently bought TitanFall to get in touch with my gaming roots and discovered that I really don't like playing video games any more. In it weren't for the Wii U and my kids, I'd probably never play another video game again. The Legend of Zelda - The Wind Waker of the Wii U is the only game occupying my time right now - and only because my kids want me play it. Given a choice...I'd rather do something else.


RE: I think Nintendo misunderstands gamers
By ianweck on 5/8/2014 11:16:32 AM , Rating: 2
That's pretty much how I feel too. I've had a 360 for years and played the hell out of it, then just decided I'd had enough. Weird but maybe I'm just getting old. I still like gaming in a way but I feel like I should be doing other things with my limited free time.


By BPB on 5/8/2014 11:30:58 AM , Rating: 2
My situation is simliar. I'll game more during bad weather if there's nothing important to do, but there's only so many hours in a day, and grown-ups gotta be, well, grown-ups. Unless you have the money to pay folks to do all the things that need to get done in life, it's hard to sit and game for periods long enough to make it worth it.

Still, I for one think the Wii U is often a blast, and I love watching the kids play the big titles on it. And remote play on the pad is a big plus. My daughter spent most of her Zelda playing time on the pad and not the TV.


Said it before and I"ll say it again.
By inperfectdarkness on 5/8/2014 6:16:38 AM , Rating: 2
Keys to Nintendo's success:

1. Offer DS compatibility on Wii-U. Not some downloadable crap; DS carts that plug directly into it. Same as Super GameBoy & the GBA player. Tablet controller works perfectly for dual screen games.

2. Virtua Console sucks balls. The issue isn't the price--it's the selection. At this point, 99% of all NES, SNES, GEN, TG16, and N64 games should be available. N64 is almost 20 years old at this point. And while they are at it, 3DO, CDI and NeoGeo should games should all be available too. I'd almost like to see a "netflix" style VC offering for multiple consoles--but that would only benefit MS and Sony--who (let's face it) doesn't have nearly the legacy of quality 1st party titles to offer that Nintendo has. I have no idea why DK64 and NES Contra STILL are not available on VC. And let's not forget GBA games. Mother 1-3 should all be on VC.

3. WiiWare is garbage. It's like a nexus of shovelware. The best WiiWare games are reboots of the classics (Blaster Master Overdrive, Contra 4, etc). Those are quality offerings--but hidden amongst a lot of garbage. Nintendo should focus extensively on high-quality, sprite-based side-scrolling games of yester-year. This would significantly differentiate Nintendo from the others--and offer many compelling reasons for console gaming (vice FPS's that are way better on a PC).

4. Start brown nosing more. Just enough to get 3rd party support sufficient so that consumers don't have to question about the limited library if they stick to Nintendo.

If Nintendo sticks with these, they can continue to go "off the beaten path" and it won't matter. I don't want Nintendo to turn into an FPS-shooter-PC-Wannabee console like the other 2. Focus on old-school; Platforming, side-scrolling, etc. Even 3D platforming like Mario Galaxy would be great. Stuff that NEEDS a controller--that's the type of games that will keep Nintendo relevant.

P.S.
For those of you counting, games that don't require a controller: FPS's, RTS's, driving sims, flying sims, etc.




RE: Said it before and I"ll say it again.
By piroroadkill on 5/8/2014 6:42:43 AM , Rating: 2
Nah, what they need to is cosy up to, say, Sony (which would make sense, since they're both Japanese), and just flat out start releasing their games for PS4, and put the Wii U to bed.

Nobody wants to buy a Wii U. Online anything has always been terrible on Nintendo consoles (purchases locked to consoles not accounts, friend codes, what a clusterf..).

One thing that's great about Nintendo still is their insistence on local multiplayer!


By inperfectdarkness on 5/8/2014 1:44:14 PM , Rating: 2
When Nintendo stops making hardware, console gaming dies. Only via Nintendo making hardware has console gaming been pushed forward. Everything and everyone else was always "me too" (Kinect, Move, etc).

So yes, if you want the industry to completely stagnate and die in an 1983 Atari-esque inferno, then by all means keep praying for Nintendo to bow out of hardware altogether.

Me personally? I'm praying that Sony and MS join forces and the market shrinks to 2 consoles. Because quite honestly, if either MS or Sony--or both--exited the console market tomorrow, gaming would still go on unabated. But if Nintendo exited....well I just don't want to think about it. All I can imagine is piles of EA and Activision games being buried in cement in the Alamogordo landfill...


Not shocking
By gamerk2 on 5/7/2014 2:23:08 PM , Rating: 2
Lets look at Nintendo historical console sales:

NES: 61.91 Million
SNES: 49.10 Million
N64: 32.93 Million
GC: 21.74 Million
Wii: 101.60 Million
WiiU: 6.71 Million to date

Aside from the Wii, Nintendo consoles have been selling less each generation going back to the NES, even as the actual market grows. This has been a long term trend, and shouldn't be a major surprise.

The WiiU is selling slower then the Gamecube did at the same point in its lifecycle (3.6 Million versus 5.2 Million), and there really isn't anything Nintendo can do to fix the problem.

Nintendo is now Sega.




RE: Not shocking
By FITCamaro on 5/8/2014 8:50:59 AM , Rating: 2
Mostly because they want to be "different". With the Wii it captured a lot of attention. It was cheap. Everyone went and bought one. Then many didn't use it. Now the Wii U is at 360/PS3 level graphics when developers are moving on to the PS4 and XB1. Developing for the Wii means you need to do a lot of work to port the game to it so fewer developers want to vs the PS4, XB1, and PC which now all share similar hardware.

If Nintendo wants to get back in it, they need to release yet another console that competes with the PS4 and XB1. So that third party developers actually want to make games for it. Mario titles will only carry you so far.


3DS sales
By melgross on 5/7/2014 6:55:39 PM , Rating: 2
What the article didn't mention, in its statement that 3DS a sales were doing fine, is that the year before, they sold somewhat over 15 million. So sales are down there as well. But worse is that the older DS models peaked at just over 30 million for two years in a row, before sales began to tail off significantly.

It's not just the WiiU that's in trouble. It's their entire product line.

And their response remains the same, they won't do anything different. It will be their epitaph.




RE: 3DS sales
By inperfectdarkness on 5/8/2014 6:23:31 AM , Rating: 2
DS and it's offspring will continue to do fine. There's enough people who revolt against smartphones & people who don't want to spend twice as much as a DS on a smartphone for their 6 year old.

DS has and continues to make sense. Cartridges make sense for children (as opposed to Sony's discs,etc). DS is fairly small, durable (as Nintendo products have always been), and has a massive library that's usually backwards compatible (depending on what you have--my DS lite plays all GBA games, for example).

Portable gaming (apart from smartphones) isn't going anywhere. And my $170 DS lite has given me more service lifetime than I'd probably have in 3-4 smartphones over the same period.


Homerun to strinking out.
By Scannall on 5/8/2014 7:53:13 AM , Rating: 2
They really hit a home-run with the Wii. It kind of boggles the mind that they could screw up so badly with the next product.




RE: Homerun to strinking out.
By zero2dash on 5/8/2014 5:37:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It kind of boggles the mind that they could screw up so badly with the next product.


Not really, when the next product offers damn near nothing that last year's model doesn't already have. The two things they did add (graphics and the tablet); the graphics were outdated before they announced the specs, and the tablet has no killer reason to use it. For all intents and purposes, the Wii probably would have suffered the same fate if it weren't for Wii Sports. Most of the other Wii titles had lackluster motion control support.

Nintendo is the king of adding things that people don't want/ask for, and nothing that they do. They've always been this way, they'll never change. People asked for broadband, they gave the Gamecube an adapter that was used by <1% of the Gamecube library. People asked for HD graphics, Nintendo said "here's progressive scan, no go away, you bother us".

Without handhelds, Nintendo would have probably closed their doors the same week Sega did.

I grew up on Nintendo. I'll always love Nintendo for the NES and SNES (and I still say the SNES is the best console of all time). But they are a shadow of their former self.

I like the 360 but I'll never buy another Xbox console. Sony has earned back some trust with what they're doing with indies on the Ps4 but I'm happy with my PC now and don't know if I'll ever buy another console system again.


hardware sucks
By Roy2001 on 5/7/2014 12:14:56 PM , Rating: 2
their hardware sucks. they throw garbage to customers and they only have mario series. now kids spend more time with ipad.




By jahwarrior on 5/7/2014 1:32:00 PM , Rating: 2
The problem with Nintendo is that their third party support is weak. While their first party games are great they are far and few between. And since the hardware is under-powered you cant play the latest and greatest third party games, so a wii u can't be your only console. If you wan't to play any of the great batch of up coming third party games on a console you need an xbone or ps4.

Nintendo really needs to go back to the drawing board here, I think they could win this generation with a new console. They could leap frog the ps4/xbox one with a more powerful console think (Nvidia chip 800 series/intel cpu, imagine mario/zelda etc. with that kind of power..




STOP
By flyingpants1 on 5/7/2014 10:02:06 PM , Rating: 2
STOP RELEASING AWFUL GARBAGE. Picture says it all, Mario Kart #800 is all they have.

Nintendo is like AMD, they just stopped competing a while back.




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