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Nintendominates video game hardware sales for June

The sales numbers released by research firm NPD Group for June continue to highlight Nintendo’s current strength in the market. Both the Nintendo DS and Wii lead all of its competitors in terms of software and hardware sales.

The Nintendo DS collected even more sales than during May, moving an amazing 561,900 units. The Wii followed closely behind with 381,800, also slightly up from the previous month.

Nintendo’s near-obsolete Game Boy Advance sold a surprising 109,400 consoles, despite there being no new software released for the handheld.

Sony took sat next in the ladder, with the PSP selling 290,100 and the undying PlayStation 2 at 270,700 units. The PlayStation 3, which was once again the lowest-selling, current-market console, only managed to sell 98,500 units.

Microsoft’s Xbox 360 sold 198,400 units, also up from May’s figures.

Overall, video game hardware sales were up 34 percent for the month as compared to the same period last year – accumulating $398.6 million.



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What are the totals?
By therealnickdanger on 7/24/2007 8:45:21 AM , Rating: 2
I'm just curious if anyone has a listing of TOTAL hardware units sold since release for all consoles? I know MS has about 10 million 360s sold, but the Wii has got to be catching up pretty fast. Nintendo is just dominating!

As we move toward the end of this calendar year, it will be fascinating to see what the impact of MS's strong software lineup will have... cuz it packs a lot of punch.




RE: What are the totals?
By Marcus Yam on 7/24/2007 8:47:39 AM , Rating: 2
I'll try to find the totals, but if things continue the way they are going, the Wii will be the top selling current gen console by next month. Very impressive.


RE: What are the totals?
By h0kiez on 7/24/2007 8:53:25 AM , Rating: 2
I don't doubt that Nintendo will eventually overtake MS, but I thought that they still had a decently long way to go. Next month? Really?


RE: What are the totals?
By Marcus Yam on 7/24/2007 8:56:33 AM , Rating: 2
In terms of worldwide sales, yes, it could be that soon. Of course, this is mostly due to the Wii's domination in Japan, where it passed the 360 long, long ago.

It'll still be another little while before the Wii eclipses the 360 in the U.S. and Europe.


RE: What are the totals?
By jpeyton on 7/24/2007 2:56:09 PM , Rating: 2
Just more proof that the 'casual' gaming market is a lot larger than the 'regular' or 'hardcore' gaming market.

Nintendo is dominating the hardware and software charts in North America and Japan.


RE: What are the totals?
By theapparition on 7/25/2007 9:32:31 AM , Rating: 3
Anyone with a clue knows the hardcore gaming market is only 5% of the market.

That is, everyone has a clue except the hardcore gamers who believe that unless its pushing the limits of hardware/software, it can't be fun.


RE: What are the totals?
By michal1980 on 7/24/07, Rating: -1
RE: What are the totals?
By 3kliksphilip on 7/24/2007 9:09:12 AM , Rating: 2
...Why did you have 2 in the first place?


RE: What are the totals?
By encryptkeeper on 7/24/2007 9:18:07 AM , Rating: 2
michal!! Where you been buddy! Haven't modded, I mean, seen you in a while!

oh and my 2nd wii now will be for sale, just to darn BORING.

So with all your bitching about how boooooooring the Wii is, you bought a SECOND one??? Bullshit. Hell, I still doubt you bought a first one.


RE: What are the totals?
By michal1980 on 7/24/07, Rating: -1
RE: What are the totals?
By aos007 on 7/24/2007 12:33:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but I like some meat on my games.


Very true. Business-wise there is obviously market for games you can learn in 5 minutes, play in 10 minutes increments (typically while you're waiting for something "more important") and leave at any time. To me, if a game doesn't have depth beyond skin-deep and doesn't pull me in emotionally, it's not worth playing in the first place. I can see the point of such games on a portable console but for a home system it's just a waste of money. Obviously the masses buying these consoles disagree. I couldn't care less, except for the fact that these games sell for about the same price but cost FAR LESS to produce. Meaning gaming companies will eventually switch to producing primarily this kind of content (they are a business after all). I hope there's enough of us who care about games left to support the more serious gaming market.


RE: What are the totals?
By gramboh on 7/24/2007 1:55:29 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. My roommate bought a Wii back in December, it was "cool" for a few hours playing around with it in Zelda, Wii sports etc, but I have touched it once since then. I prefer Xbox and PC.


RE: What are the totals?
By aGreenAgent on 7/24/2007 2:43:30 PM , Rating: 2
Where I live, people from all over the neighborhood come over to play my Wii (nobody under 21, though). It's a big competition, and we all get drunk. 5+ hours of Wii Sports every day since the Wii release has been awesome, and will probably continue for quite some time.


RE: What are the totals?
By Miggle on 7/24/2007 9:23:49 PM , Rating: 1
Its not just kids nor about ADD. I myself cannot stay playing a game for too long because I do not have the luxury called time. I can only dedicate short bursts of playtime. If I played Oblivion (which I haven't yet) as thoroughly as most of them "hardcore" gamers, it'll probably take me 6 months to finish.


RE: What are the totals?
By AstroCreep on 7/24/2007 1:13:45 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, I know - remember how sweet was the motion-sensitive controllers for the Gamecube were?

Oh wait...


RE: What are the totals?
By techfuzz on 7/24/2007 8:59:58 AM , Rating: 2
Marcus,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#System_sales

8.6+ million and counting, but that data is somewhat out of date and most certainly doesn't include the most recent half million sold.


RE: What are the totals?
By jmke on 7/24/2007 9:04:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
the Wii will be the top selling current gen console by next month.


That "next gen" part in your text is pushing it a bit;)


RE: What are the totals?
By encryptkeeper on 7/24/2007 9:33:49 AM , Rating: 5
What part of "next gen" do you not get? Is there a certain threshold that MUST be crossed before a new console can be considered next gen? If there is, please tell me, because the Wii is worlds ahead of the Cube. I'm tired of this lame argument, and I want a real answer, even though I think it's just sour grapes from the Nintendo haters, angry that a little console could come out of nowhere and look like it'll eventually take over as the dominant home console for this generation. So, how much more powerful does it have to be? 3 times more? 4 times more?


RE: What are the totals?
By michal1980 on 7/24/07, Rating: -1
RE: What are the totals?
By artemicion on 7/24/2007 11:23:49 AM , Rating: 2
geez, some people live and die by the transistor count in their consoles . . .

But I do appreciate how on one hand you want people to think you're a super-sophisticated gamer that needs games with "depth" and "meat my games" while simultaneously making the definitive aspect of a next-gen console its graphics.

Sheesh, some people are so close-minded about how the video-game market is going to evolve, insisting each generation must have more graphical horsepower in order to be considered a legitimate successor. Yes, that's one way to build a new console, Sony and MS thought so. Nintendo thought outside the box and decided to concentrate on innovative gameplay instead.

Discounting the Wii's approach to next-gen is like saying "dur, gameboy sucks because the graphics are worse than a console" - without considering the fact that it's PORTABLE.

Even if the approach isn't to your taste (I, from my life/workstyle, have no need for a portable gaming system), it doesn't mean that there is something inherently "wrong" with the system.


RE: What are the totals?
By michal1980 on 7/24/07, Rating: -1
RE: What are the totals?
By artemicion on 7/24/2007 4:03:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
name a title that the gamecube could not run?


Wii Sports.

Pretty sure that game would be less fun on a Gamecube. But judging by your pretentiousness, I'm guessing you didn't enjoy the game so much, and are going to retort with a snarky "the graphics would be the same on a Gamecube."

Yeah well, you're right, but without the Wii-mote the experience wouldn't be the same. Frankly, there are dozens of games/consoles out there I don't care for. Like I said previously, I've never felt the need for a gameboy because I don't need to be gaming 24/7 and I can wait 'till I get home to fire my console up. But I don't bash the Gameboy as a "one-trick pony", or regard it as less of a "game console" just because I don't appreciate its strengths.

I mean, whatever, if you care so much about the "next-gen" label, you can go petition to Websters to have it defined precisely the way you want it to, but I'm just gonna tell you now that there's a lot of people out there who are much more open-minded about just exactly what it means to be "next-gen".


RE: What are the totals?
By OblivionMage on 7/24/2007 8:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
You just said that wii sports would be less fun on gamecube, but nothing about it not being able to run on gamecube, so why did you quote him?


RE: What are the totals?
By artemicion on 7/24/2007 9:02:47 PM , Rating: 2
Because it doesn't really "run" on the gamecube if you're losing out on the main gameplay draw.

It's like claiming that Gears of War will "run" on my VCR because I can record gameplay footage of it on a tape and play it back.

It isn't exactly "running" if you're not getting the full gameplay experience, now is it?


RE: What are the totals?
By Kim Leo on 7/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: What are the totals?
By omnicronx on 7/24/2007 3:27:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
geez, some people live and die by the transistor count in their consoles . . .


and some people are in denial about what next gen is..(mainly wii owners, what a surprise!!)
sorry to tell you but the term 'next gen' has been used long before this generation of consoles, when HDTV's were first introduced as 'NEXT GENERATION WITH MUCH BETTER VIDEO QUALITY'

so i do not see what it is so hard to consider that the wii not being HD is not really 'Next Gen'

As previously stated, the wii is an overclocked gamecube, same cpu, same graphics core just increased clock speed, and of course a nice new case and all new controller technology.

So yes it is a totally different way to play, but next gen, i think not. Do not get me wrong i have own a wii, and i love it do death, but in the end clock to clock, its maybe on par with the original xbox and i do not go around to all my friends bragging about my next generation wii console.

then again, the whole next gen fad is just a marketing ploy to get you to buy that nice new fancy tv, and or console ;)


RE: What are the totals?
By artemicion on 7/24/2007 3:58:08 PM , Rating: 5
You know - I was gonna patent my Virtual Reality Gaming Machine that, instead of projecting images on a television, would directly send them to your brain to create the most realistic gaming experience known to man. It also comes with a body suit that simulates tactile feeling in game, as well as special nose plugs that simulate smell.

But it doesn't do 1080p.

Darn.


RE: What are the totals?
By omnicronx on 7/24/2007 4:02:54 PM , Rating: 2
haha best sarcastic answer ever!!
hes totally making fun of me but i must laugh!


RE: What are the totals?
By artemicion on 7/24/2007 4:08:13 PM , Rating: 2
Off-topic, but you know, appreciating the the point-of-view, humor, sarcasm, whatever, of an opponent in a debate is probably one of the most difficult things to do in life. Particularly in an internet forum where internet culture seems to promote stubborn, close-minded, flaming, fan-boy-ism.

Good for you.


RE: What are the totals?
By encryptkeeper on 7/24/2007 11:24:04 AM , Rating: 3
what is a next-gen console? I'll define it for you.

A console is next-gen when its graphics are much better then the previous gen console.


Really? So that's it. No new control schemes, no new ways to interact with the game, no way to download classic content gamers will probably always want to play?

What happens after the next generation of consoles? In 5 more years, consoles will probably be pushed to the limit of realism as far as graphics go. Crysis looks incredible, some screenshots look indistinguishable from some digital picture taken out in the wild. After that, will there be no next generation of consoles? According to you, yes, the videogame industry will have NO new generations of consoles in 10 years. What will they do next? Probably some sort of new interactivity, VR maybe. That's what Nintendo decided to focus on. New interactivity for games for this new generation. Plus more overall power than the Cube. There just haven't been many developers to take advantage of it yet.


RE: What are the totals?
By Hawkido on 7/24/2007 1:36:37 PM , Rating: 1
While I agree with you the Wii is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to write home about as for as it's graphics. They really did NOTHING but bump the GC up a notch or two.

But Nintendo didn't really want to. What they wanted to do, and did quite well (not perfect but this is the first real run of this interface method) was revolutionize the interface of games. They made gaming an athletic activity (Yes, you can cheat and bowl sitting down, but most like to actually perform the action as it is easier and more natural feeling) My wife and I are actually sore after a drunken night playing the neighbor's Wii.

It does seem the Wii caters to more the party crowd (Come over and bring some beer, we have the Wii!) So most of their games will be group activity based. Which is great. I will get a Wii just for the Fun party factor. However I agree my gaming needs are far more indepth. I need a game with some substance. Some "meat on them" as you said. Zelda games have always been a favorite, as have some of the mario games. But i like the main line Final Fantasy games, So it will be Wii and PS3 for me. Xbox360 doesn't have the games I like to play. So, as such, I will be a Blu-Ray movie supporter (more than likely) once i get a PS3.


RE: What are the totals?
By elpresidente2075 on 7/25/2007 1:33:49 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
what is a next-gen console? I'll define it for you.


I'll help you by breaking it down into parts:

Next: Successor, what comes after current.

Gen: Short for generation, in the case of electronics, one hardware revision

Things that qualify as next gen in the current console market: Nothing.

Things that qualified as such until the end of last year: Wii and PS3.

Things commonly referred to as next-gen: Wii, Xbox360, PS3 (in order of importance :P)


RE: What are the totals?
By ET on 7/24/2007 11:32:49 AM , Rating: 2
What I'm not getting about "next" gen is why people use it to describe consoles already on the market, one of them for almost 2 years. When will these consoles become "current gen", as they really are, or will they remain "next gen", and any newer ones be called "next next gen"?


RE: What are the totals?
By Netscorer on 7/24/2007 12:23:39 PM , Rating: 1
In my mind, 'the next gen' gaming console has to satisfy at least these three technical criteria:
- fully support HDTV resolution
- fully support Online gaming for all 'next-gen' releases
- provide full range of Home Media Center functionality

So far, only Xbox 360 (with HD-DVD addon) fully justifies 'next gen' moniker. Sony will be there soon as they will roll out full Online gaming support in the next months. Wii, however, will never be able to satisfy all three criteria (they actually currently do not astisfy any of these criteia), thus Wii is not a 'next gen' in my mind.


RE: What are the totals?
By colonelclaw on 7/24/2007 12:49:03 PM , Rating: 2
for me the Wii is the most next gen of all the current consoles - what nintendo came up with with regards to contoller interface and aiming the product at a whole new audience seals it for me.

next gen shouldnt just be about power, it should be about the thinking behind the product


RE: What are the totals?
By encryptkeeper on 7/24/2007 3:08:57 PM , Rating: 2
Netscorer on July 24, 2007 at 12:23 PM

In my mind, 'the next gen' gaming console has to satisfy at least these three technical criteria:
- fully support HDTV resolution
- fully support Online gaming for all 'next-gen' releases
- provide full range of Home Media Center functionality

So far, only Xbox 360 (with HD-DVD addon) fully justifies 'next gen' moniker. Sony will be there soon as they will roll out full Online gaming support in the next months. Wii, however, will never be able to satisfy all three criteria (they actually currently do not astisfy any of these criteia), thus Wii is not a 'next gen' in my mind.


Thank you, I'm glad there are some people who put thoughts into their posts. While I respectfully disagree that these are the only things that necessitate true 'next gen' I have to admit I'd definitely like more online games for the Wii. Wii Sports would have been great to have online, but I have a feeling they're going to do a Wii Sports 2, with more sports, better graphics and online gameplay. 1080p or 720p doesn't really bug me that much, I still have a tube TV. How many households have an HD set? 10-15%? Media center capability is something that absolutely does not interest me because I have no use for it.

At the same time, people are realizing the next evolution in video games is how you interact with them, not just how pretty they look.


RE: What are the totals?
By omnicronx on 7/24/2007 3:39:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
How many households have an HD set? 10-15%


Depends where you live, 10-15% in the U.S right now maybe, but in Canada that number is dramatically increasing, i would say it is closer to 25-30% of Canadians own at least one HD-Ready tv in their household.

Also keep in mind the 2009 analogue shutoff for television stations in the U.S starts, and only digital OTA HD signals will be available, at that time i would expect the number of households with HD-TVS to increase exponentially from there on in.


RE: What are the totals?
By Netscorer on 7/24/2007 9:08:06 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you for your post. I agree that everyone can have their own idea of the 'next gen'. For me, the three above plus a great line up of the current games were enough to justify buying Xbox 360. PS3 is close behind but does not have many good games and so I will probably reevaluate them in 6-9 months.
I played Wii for 4 weeks and got quickly annoyed with the controls. They are great novelty act and the originals (Wii Sports and Zelda) work with them like a charm, but same controls become awkward and frustrating once you try playing third-party games. Lack of HDTV support(I have a 56" 1080P beauty sitting in my living room) and no online gaming were a killing blow for me.


RE: What are the totals?
By SmokeRngs on 7/24/2007 6:17:48 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
In my mind, 'the next gen' gaming console has to satisfy at least these three technical criteria:
- fully support HDTV resolution
- fully support Online gaming for all 'next-gen' releases
- provide full range of Home Media Center functionality


Very interesting.

There has never been a next gen console before the Xbox360? Everything has been the same since the first ever console made according to your definition.

This is why you cannot use any specific "feature" to ever define what is or is not "next-gen". A definition like this must be generalized. Your definition is completely personal opinion.

None of the current three new consoles are next-gen. They have all been released. Therefore, they are the current generation of consoles.


RE: What are the totals?
By Netscorer on 7/24/2007 8:58:26 PM , Rating: 2
I don't get you. What's not specific about the criteria I named?
Do I have to spell out HDTV resolution to you? Were there any consoles in the market before Xbox 360 and later PS3 that support it? Have you played real HDTV game on a big screen before lashing out here?
Or how about full support for online gaming. Microsoft created a great service that provides a backbone for all game publishing houses to deploy their games for online playing. Again, no console manufacturer till now has put such thought in online gaming support.
And Home Media Center is IMO becoming most crucial feature. Again, Microsoft, for the most part, seems to make it just right. And Sony will be there very very soon and can actually eclipse Xbox 360 due to the inclusion of the Blue-Ray player.
As for the 'next gen' moniker, I feel it is justified because there are two generations of consoles on the market at the same time. PS2 represents the old gen and PS3 and Xbox 360 - new, or 'next' one.
Wii is somewhere in between. They have a great idea for innovative controllers but too few games that take full advantage of them. And their lack of HDTV, online and Media center functionality will make them an afterthought once initial admiration with novelty will fade.


RE: What are the totals?
By SmokeRngs on 7/25/2007 10:45:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't get you. What's not specific about the criteria I named?


Please re-read my post. I said your criteria is too specific and that is where the problem is. Also, your criteria read like a feature list of the Xbox360 and PS3 which points to having "decided" your criteria for "next gen" after the consoles were released.

As someone else mentioned, next gen actually means nothing more than the next iteration of the console. Xbox->Xbox360, PS2->PS3 and Gamecube->Wii all show examples of successive generations of consoles. Your personal opinion of what you want as a feature has nothing to do with determining what constitutes next gen.

quote:
Do I have to spell out HDTV resolution to you? Were there any consoles in the market before Xbox 360 and later PS3 that support it? Have you played real HDTV game on a big screen before lashing out here?


HD is old news for myself and many others which probably includes you. Technically speaking, I would not be surprised if anything over the resolution of DVD would be considered HD. The defined HD resolutions for TV displays are nothing more than the standards for HD concerning TV screens. Gaming on the computer has been in HD resolution territory for many years now. I also don't care for a big screen TV anyway. Due to dot pitch and other similar things, big screen TVs look terrible unless viewed from a long distance in my opinion.

Consoles making use of HD resolutions, while groundbreaking for consoles, isn't that big of a deal to me. If you would re-read my post, you would understand that the point I tried to make is that according to your definition of next gen console, there was never a previous next gen console. Your definition states that the PS2 was never a next gen console nor was the SuperNES, or the N64 or the Gamecube or any other console that was a successor to a previous console. Technically, being a successive console should not even be a criteria. The original Xbox was a next gen console. Even though it was the first one for Microsoft, it was still released roughly around the time the PS2 was released (if I remember correctly) and therefore, was part of that generation. The generation a console is has more to do with the time of the release than anything.

quote:
Or how about full support for online gaming.


Truthfully, how many people actually care about this? I'll even take percentages. The majority of people don't really care about online gaming that much, especially on a console. There are exceptions concerning certain games, but those games cater more towards the audience which likes online play.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with online play. On certain games it's very important to me. In the future I expect online play will be more important with more people interested in it or as older generations are pushed aside by younger generations.

quote:
And Home Media Center is IMO becoming most crucial feature.


Again, this is just your opinion. I don't have a problem with your opinion but do not try to make your opinion a requirement. The majority of people are content to keep their multimedia uses in the hands of a disc or tape player and don't show any signs of changing soon. I'm not saying people will not move to a media center machine eventually, but the demand really isn't out there right now. I also think more people would prefer a standalone unit to do this rather than a gaming machine. That is just my opinion, though.

quote:
And their lack of HDTV, online and Media center functionality will make them an afterthought once initial admiration with novelty will fade.


When is the novelty going to fade? The Wii has been selling out just about everywhere for 8 months and does not currently show signs of slowing down. How many months must a console lead in sales and for the most part sell out before it's no longer considered a novelty?


RE: What are the totals?
By encryptkeeper on 7/24/2007 9:22:37 AM , Rating: 2
www.nexgenwars.com


RE: What are the totals?
By webdawg77 on 7/24/2007 10:01:44 AM , Rating: 2
Read a little farther down ;).


RE: What are the totals?
By Araxen on 7/24/2007 8:54:17 AM , Rating: 2
Wii last I read had 9 million sold Worldwide.


RE: What are the totals?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/24/2007 8:58:03 AM , Rating: 3
RE: What are the totals?
By encryptkeeper on 7/24/2007 11:42:03 AM , Rating: 2
Cool, this one shows the DS vs PSP figures too. Dayam, the DS is trouncing the PSP 2-1. Ouch.


RE: What are the totals?
By darkpaw on 7/24/2007 5:30:15 PM , Rating: 2
Not a fan boy, but the PSP even selling half as many systems as the DS is a success as far as I can see. Nintendo has had a chokehold over the handheld market basically since it was invented. No other company has ever released a system that comes close to competing with it.

I'd say only being outsold 2:1 is a victory for Sony in the handheld market, but that only shows how strong the Gameboy/DS line has been over the years.


RE: What are the totals?
By encryptkeeper on 7/25/2007 9:32:51 AM , Rating: 2
Very good point. But remember that the ratio of people expecting the DS to flop and the PSP to win the handheld war was actually about 2 to 1. Same ratio, and we see how that's turning out.


RE: What are the totals?
By EndPCNoise on 7/24/2007 2:02:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
VG Chartz collects data directly from retailers all over the world. Retailer sample sizes are small compared to professional tracking services, but are large enough to provide very accurate projections of the latest console sell through figures worldwide.


As for codenamerevolution.com, the xbox 360 "sales" figures of 11.6 million units are units shipped to retailers by MS , and not to be confused with actual units sold by retailers to consumers.

codenamerevolution.com's figures for the Wii seem to be based on adding various sales reports to some arbitrary base number. However, they do not state anywhere what that actual base number is, nor how they derived this value. Their Wii figures appear sketchy at best.

codenamerevolution.com's figures for the PS3 at 5.5 million units would also be units shipped to retailers.

nextgenwars.com also, bases their figures on units shipped by manufacturers to retailers (with the exception of the PS3). nextgenwars' PS3 figures seem to be based on the sales of units from retailers to consumers.

This is why I share a preference with Brandon Hill's (DT) recommended site for figures.


RE: What are the totals?
By webdawg77 on 7/24/2007 8:58:07 AM , Rating: 2
Wii - 8,582,243 12-7-07

Xbox360 - 11,372,316 5-7-07

PS3 - 3,582,008 22-6-07

http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?page_id=3292

(dd-mm-yy)


RE: What are the totals?
By webdawg77 on 7/24/2007 9:01:06 AM , Rating: 3
**UPDATE

http://nexgenwars.com/

Xbox360 - 11,589,359

Wii - 9,036,629

PS3 - 3,843,638


RE: What are the totals?
By peter7921 on 7/24/07, Rating: 0
RE: What are the totals?
By webdawg77 on 7/24/2007 10:02:14 AM , Rating: 2
Look up one post ;).


RE: What are the totals?
By encryptkeeper on 7/24/2007 10:26:47 AM , Rating: 2
Ok, we get it.

Seriously, who reads EVERY post and takes notes on EVERYTHING that's been said. It's not like we said it because we wanted to be repetitive.


RE: What are the totals?
By webdawg77 on 7/24/2007 10:32:17 AM , Rating: 2
I can agree when there are 50+ posts. But, when there's only about 15 or so, and one is a direct reply to the main post, it doesn't take THAT long.


RE: What are the totals?
By cpohi3 on 7/26/2007 7:24:51 PM , Rating: 2
If you want the totals go to www.vgcharts.org ... pretty good site with weekly updates


The GBA is outselling the PS3?
By Chris Peredun on 7/24/2007 9:04:36 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Nintendo’s near-obsolete Game Boy Advance sold a surprising 109,400 consoles, despite there being no new software released for the handheld.

...

The PlayStation 3, which was once again the lowest-selling, current-market console, only managed to sell 98,500 units.


Does anyone else find it mildly amusing that the PS3 is being outsold by what essentially amounts to a Super Nintendo that's short two buttons?

(Yes, I'm aware it's less than a tenth of the price.)




By rdeegvainl on 7/24/2007 10:14:31 AM , Rating: 2
Even more is that MS is still coming in 5th in the charts, and all to "technologically" inferior products. and ps3 on the bottom. It is all about the bottom line in most cases. If you don't have the cash it doesn't matter how much you want something.


RE: The GBA is outselling the PS3?
By Exodus220 on 7/24/2007 10:28:41 AM , Rating: 2
I honestly think that if the PS3 was cheaper it would sell significantly better. My wallet is never full enough to pay for a PS3, even with the short-term price drop. I think the Nintendo systems currently dominate so well because they are priced to sell. I would have a Wii right now if it was easier to find one (don't really need it right now, though), it is so incredibly fun to play. However, Nintendo still needs to put out some games that are true system sellers. I guess the same could be said about Sony, it just isn't a viable machine for many to invest in just yet.


By encryptkeeper on 7/24/2007 11:36:08 AM , Rating: 2
Everything you've said is true. But the initial hype was a good reason for Nintendo to not push developers (and their internal developers) to hurry and finish console selling games. Why rush out potential system selling games when the console is flying off shelves? Metroid Prime 3 is coming out in late August (thank God it's not packed into the rush of games in the Christmas season) and Mario Galaxy and Brawl are due out in November and December, respectively. People will buy the consoles just to play those, among others (Zelda, Wii sports, RE4 and a few others that have been labeled as excellent on the Wii). It is however time to see some price drops on games, like Trauma Room. It's supposed to be very good, but it still sells for 49.99 and it's a launch game.

Hopefully we'll eventually get Manhunt 2.


By FITCamaro on 7/24/2007 12:19:46 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I honestly think that if the PS3 was cheaper it would sell significantly better.


No offense but thats like saying "I think if computers were free then everyone would have one."

Of course if it was cheaper it'd sell better. I'd buy one (sooner) if it was priced the same as the 360. But as a games console its not any better of a system, and thats why I'd buy it.


RE: The GBA is outselling the PS3?
By B on 7/24/2007 6:27:33 PM , Rating: 2
In regards to the comment about Nintedo getting games that are true system sellers, here are a few facts that shows the strength of Nintendo's game library:

• Nintendo remained the top video game publisher in the United States and Canada in June, as well as the top publisher for all of 2007. -Source Aussie-Nintendo

• In June alone, Nintendo has six of the top 10 best-selling games in the United States, including the top four: Mario Party 8 and Wii Play for Wii, and Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon Pearl for Nintendo DS. -Source Aussie-Nintendo

• Of the top 30 best-selling games in the United States for all of 2007, half are for Nintendo systems. -Source Aussie-Nintendo

^ In June alone, the top-selling title was Wii’s Mario Party 8, which sold 426,000 units (average retail price is $49.70), NPD reported. -Source Bits Blogs, The New York Times

Either their systems sells games, or their games sell systems. No matter how you look at it, at the present time they have the formula for success in terms of both hardware and software sells.


motion controller
By exdeath on 7/24/2007 1:20:31 PM , Rating: 1
As soon as the novelty of motion control wears off, what does the Wii have going for it besides Metroid and Zelda just like the Gamecube?

Just buy Wiimotes and a Bluetooth dongle for your PC and go to town and skip the Wii altogether.

I'm sure they make Spongebob and Dora the Explorer for PC, not sure about Pokemon though.

Only reason I have a Wii is Zelda and Metroid and the fact that it consolidates my console collection since it also plays my Gamecube library, also consisting of Zelda and Metroid titles, and Resident Evil.




RE: motion controller
By encryptkeeper on 7/24/2007 3:33:25 PM , Rating: 3
Just buy Wiimotes and a Bluetooth dongle for your PC and go to town and skip the Wii altogether.

I'm sure they make Spongebob and Dora the Explorer for PC, not sure about Pokemon though.


You know, the next time you have a thought, you should just try to prevent yourself from expressing it. Seeing as how this is a tech website, you really need to know that the Wiimotes won't just work with something because it has bluetooth on it. I can't answer a goddamn call on my cell phone with my Wii controller just because they both have bluetooth. Is this making ANY sense?


RE: motion controller
By exdeath on 7/24/2007 4:26:02 PM , Rating: 2
And you really need to know that people have been using Wiimotes on the PC for a while now, the only thing lacking is the pointer functionality, but I imagine that around the corner or already here due to wireless third party sensor bars (ie: battery powered IR emitters like the Nyco that you can sit on top of your PC monitor without a special Wii connector)

Google GlovePIE and get back to me with your thoughts.


RE: motion controller
By encryptkeeper on 7/25/2007 11:57:16 AM , Rating: 2
GlovePIE...looks interesting, I'd never heard of it before.

Still, the motion control is the "novelty" of the Wii as you call it. There are still other features the Wii has that don't include motion control.

What ignorant people like you should recognize is the "novelty" of the PS3 or the Xbox 360 is the fact that they have pretty graphics. If you take those away, then you have the PS2, or the original XBox. Many people out there are starting to realize that the 360 and PS3's graphical power wears thin, and they want better gameplay, which the Wii can offer.

Nintendo decided to reduce the cost of the machine and make it only slightly more powerful while creating a new control scheme: therefore making a new audience and a whole new breed of possible games.


RE: motion controller
By ET on 7/24/2007 5:37:49 PM , Rating: 2
Why are you assuming that it's just a matter of novelty, and that it'd wear off? From my POV, it's the first ever reasonable controller system for a console. I'd never buy an Xbox 360 or a PS3 because the controllers are incredibly uncomfortable to use. My guess is that a lot of people who buy the Wii think this way.

I can see a lot of very nice stuff that can be done with this controller (and future ones, like what comes with Wii Fit), and hasn't been done yet. Given time, I think that'd make the Wii even more attractive over the other consoles, which have to rehase the same old control schemes.

As for having this on a PC, it's a lot less necessary. I'd continue to play games on my PC. The controls are better than what's available on the standard consoles, and there are more interesting games. That still leaves the Wii in a very good position. It looks good and takes little space in the living room, and I can play it with my wife.


RE: motion controller
By exdeath on 7/24/2007 5:57:18 PM , Rating: 2
It's a novelty because thats really the only thing the system has going for it. Really, take away the controllers and what do you have left? Absolutely nothing that the Gamecube couldn't have offered.

Other than exclusive first party Nintendo titles, cross platform games will almost always be better on the other platforms. We only say 'graphics don't make a good game' when the game sucks and has good graphics... but when the game play is good and is a given, the graphics are suddenly sorely missing. See how much fun it is sniping things with the bow in Zelda in a upscaled 480p glittery eyesore. True the graphics won't make the game but how much better would Zelda be in 1080p? When you put the controller down and say "wow that was an awesome game and I love the Wii... BUT and a big BUT, I wish it was 1080p". I know I did.

The big killer for the Wii IMO will be game titles because it looks like they just took all the $5 clearance Pokemon, Dora the Explorer, Spongebob, Powerpuff Girls, and Scooby Doo games off the dying Gamecube rack and put $49.99 Wii stickers on the cases. Outside of exclusive first party titles and a few games that are nothing but demonstrations of the controller, I just don't see much else.

Seriously, when you are done with Metroid and Zelda, and the motion control thing has become routine and no longer new and exciting, what else is left? Metroid Prime 4 hopefully. I just don't see people still getting excited playing Pong with their Wiimotes inside another year.

I'm not overly fond of the PS3 or 360 either. Dead Rising is the only reason I own a 360 and that's because I've long been craving a 'Dawn of the Dead' type game and I would have gotten whatever system had it (even though I gave up holding out for a much desired co-op mode). But one game for the whole system is more than I can even say for the PS3.


RE: motion controller
By encryptkeeper on 7/25/2007 9:48:31 AM , Rating: 1
It's a novelty because thats really the only thing the system has going for it. Really, take away the controllers and what do you have left? Absolutely nothing that the Gamecube couldn't have offered.

Well shit, since we're arguing, why don't level the playing field. Take away the graphics of the PS3 or the 360 and what do you have? Absolutely nothing that the PS2 or original XBox couldn't have offered!

BTW the Wii does have internal memory and all the Wii channels. It has wireless capabilities built in, and the ability to download classic game content, and view pictures and send and receive emails. Sure, that may pale to the main draw of the Wii which is the new games that can be created because of the new controller. But the same is true of ALL the consoles!


RE: motion controller
By exdeath on 7/26/2007 10:47:38 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah but the PS3 and 360 don't use a gimicky control scheme to try to hide the fact that they suck, and have nothing but rehashes of last gen titles (JFC how many versions of Madden could you possible need?). You know they suck. The Wii has everyone distracted with the motion control stuff so they don't know it sucks and that they are just playing pong on a Gamecube.

:)

Oh and it really pissed me off that the sword in Zelda didn't swing the same direction that you swung the Wiimote; it just played a random canned animation when it detected movement on the controller period. So it ended up being like one of those boxing arcade games where you are supposed to be boxing like you're in the game, but instead you just stand there waving your fingers in front of the sensor to throw a punch; You're not swinging a sword, you're just shaking the controller furiously hoping it will swing on screen. Some innovation there. Guess they had to do something with all their warehouse of Gamecube and Powerglove parts.

Gaming hasn't been all that great since the SNES, the greatest game console ever made.


Helloooo
By bkm32 on 7/24/07, Rating: 0
RE: Helloooo
By Exodus220 on 7/24/2007 11:18:09 AM , Rating: 5
Come on, you don't honestly think that the X360 would die before Halo 3 comes out. Heck, I think some people are just waiting for Halo 3 to come out before the invest in a new system...I know I would. It also allows them some time to see if there have been any improvement to system reliability. I can't even imagine MS suddenly dying in the next 60 days...seems ludicrous.


RE: Helloooo
By bkm32 on 7/24/2007 1:23:43 PM , Rating: 1
It took less for PS3 enthusiasm to die even with great games on the way. This scenario is plausible expecially given the rate at which Wiis are selling--increases for every month after the Holiday shopping season and selling out 9 months after launch.

If the X360 were to lose major momentum (which it is), who would really notice? The DT story (among others) revealing the 60% drop-off is no surprise, but it gets notice on the heels of the 1.06B loss due to the X360 hardware defect. However, truth be told, the X360 has been well below last year's numbers all year. Has this been recorded? No. And now the X360 is getting the stigma of "too expensive for a 6 month console".

MS's E3 press conference didn't help and proved that MS is just trying to put out fires and doesn't have anything new or innovative for 2008 and beyond. There were few (if any)games shown for 2008. What was the point in that? Where's the light gun? Are the games coming out in 2007 supposed to sustain me indefinitly? Also, there is infighting between X360 development houses, and Forza 2 received very little fanfare or marketing support from MS.

Not onlys does MS have to prove that it has the best game console, the best games for its console, the best all-in-one-media machine, but now throw in the reliability issue.

Reliability is a sticky issue because it has never been an issue until now. Reliability is the electronic equivelant to trust in a romantic relationship (many of you may not relate, so I apologize in advance), if you have it you have it and, it's very difficult to lose. However, when it's gone, it's gone, and it's very difficult to get back. You've got to go through some things before earning that trust back. MS finds itself in this situation. It's reputation for buggy software now lends itself to buggy hardware.

Moore got out while he is still marketable; however, I expect EA's quality assurance to take hit within the next 6 months. It happened at Sega shortly after the DC launched (what a debacle). The first batches of DCs were wrought with problems.


By Barkuti on 7/24/2007 10:28:17 PM , Rating: 2
Nintendo is stealing the show this generation. Sorry for all Sony/MS zealot fanboys, that's the truth just observe & accept. Nintendo has always been #1 with regards to innovation, but also too protectionists and finicky, something that has held back their market share since old NES times; cartridges on N64? PSX was taking the market by storm, PS2 came early and continued the trend with upwards compatibility and their well stablished agreements with software companies. Gamecube? People was too busy with PS2. They did it again evolving the controller, but that was not enough for a machine just meant for gaming which coulnd't play DVDs (using minis). Sales were sluggish and so the software catalog which couldn't compete with PS2 even despite Nintendo's great games & efforts to put Mario in every kind of gaming genre.

Nintendo's competition has always taken/copied their innovations ideas, thus evolving in the process. N64 got sticks? So did PSX's pads (2x). Ergonomically speaking, XBOX 360's gamepads feel very similar to GameCube's ones (only difference in main buttons they just stuck to good old SNES/PSX layout which isn't bad)... Too bad big N has been slow to learn from the competition, until now.

Now that they've truly realized the fact that profits are a product of units sold per margins, they made the thing. Took the next step in controller evolution, making a much more appealing experience for everyone with their intuitive input devices; that's opening markets. Hardware? Take it easy. Just enhance GC's hardware a bit and keep the power consumption low, making a cool looking, small & lightweight machine, easy to carry to neighbour and friend's houses for multiplayer parties, that's where the meat is.
And this also means the machine is inexpensive to produce, so they are making the best sale profits from the beginning instead of losing money as it has been typically. Screw it into your head, hardware power isn't that important for the majority of people and for all of you who think it is, all I can say is get a life. No pun intended. I for one was one of those people spending loads of cash in watercooled rigs and uber graphics cards some years ago... to hell with it; I really never got close to the kind of fun I could get out of my N64 playing Perfect Dark/Smash Bros/Mario Tennis/Kart/Party etc. with all controller connectors filled.

HD capability? Couldn't care less also. I'm still enjoying those old 240 line 60 Hz (progressive on good old 15.75 KHz horizontal scan baby) arcade games from the past. Get a good old CRT arcade monitor, it will blow the quality of most cheap and not so cheap modern LCD's and plasmas for gaming, you can even get 768 line ("whatever"x768 res, 50 KHz horiz. scan) capable units.

Well enough talk. Bottom line, it's all about what you want and how you want to play it.
Buy the machine that has the games you want to play. That's it. For me, it's the multiplayer fun with close friends, food, beer, pot ;) or whatever.

Regards,
Salvador




The console... that didn't.
By acer905 on 7/25/2007 12:55:42 PM , Rating: 2
Okay, so lately with the console wars, people are throwing out this that and the other thing that has to do with the Wii, the PS3, and the 360. And its obvious why, they are the systems competing. And each has its strengths and weaknesses. However, anyone know of the expression "history repeats itself"

Look back, to the beginning of the 6th generation of consoles. What started it? the PS2? The Xbox? nope. It was the Dreamcast. Go back another generation, the Saturn lead the way. Its what Sega did, they were the pushers of the generations. They had the best graphics, the most power. But... it didn't help the high price tags, and lukewarm marketing. When the Saturn first came out, it was with a surprise launch months before they had planned on. They did it to get more sales before the playstation was launced. This caused shock, and despite its $400 price tag, it sold fairly well. Selling about 10 million units in its life. But compare that to the cheper, slightly less advanced playstation, which sold over 100 million. Then look at the Dreamcast,which launced 2 years before the PS2. It was highly advanced, but expensive. And that caused Sega to lose money on the systems. If you look at the current generation, the first without a Sega system, it almost looks like the PS3 is taking the spot as the tech leader, but ultimate... well, lets just hope that the execs at Sony have noticed this trend and do somethin to change it. And if Sony passes the 10 million mark, the number that both sega's final systems died at, we'll know for sure




Weeeee
By HardwareD00d on 7/24/07, Rating: -1
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