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We'll see if the new iPhone can keep up with competitors like Samsung

The newest member of the iPhone family finally has an official debut date, and the budget iPhone may make an appearance that day as well.

Apple has announced a special event on September 10, which is expected to be the unveiling of the next-generation iPhone. Some of the expected updates are a better camera, faster processor and even some new tech like a fingerprint sensor. 

The new iPhone will also feature Apple's latest operating system, iOS 7. It was introduced at Apple's Worldwide Developer's Conference (WWDC) in June, and has been in testing ever since. IOS 7 features a dramatic redesign from previous versions in regards to the look of the icons and menu. The color scheme is much brighter and gone is the skeumorphic design of icons attempting to mimic real-world objects. Many have described it as "flatter" but with a new sense of depth thanks to layers and the frosted glass effect.

The new OS also has some improvements like Control Center (allows you to swipe up from the bottom of the screen to quickly access Wi-Fi/Bluetooth/Screen brightness etc.), AirDrop (allows you to quickly share files with friends that are nearby), FaceTime audio (high quality voice-only calls over Wi-Fi), Notifications Sync (if you dismiss a notification on your iPhone, it is also dismissed on your iPad), and “iOS in the Car." Siri also got a boost with new, high-quality female and male voices.



While Apple has decided to pack the new iPhone with a whole new OS, many wonder if it will be enough to pull in customers the way older versions did back in the days of former CEO Steve Jobs' reign. Increased competition from Android makers like Samsung, which offer a range of smartphones at different price points with different features, has made it more difficult for the iPhone to keep up. 

Along with the new iPhone could come a budget iPhone announcement. The affordable iPhone, which aims to compete with low-cost Android phones, is expected to be available in many colors and sport a $99 price tag.

Last month, an employee from one of Apple's Chinese suppliers confirmed that the budget iPhone was, in fact, real. In China Labor Watch's 60-page report, an employee said the following:

"Today’s work is to paste protective film on the iPhone’s plastic back cover to prevent it from being scratched on assembly lines. This iPhone model with a plastic cover will soon be released on the market by Apple. The task is pretty easy, and I was able to work independently after a five-minute instruction from a veteran employee. It took around a minute to paste protective film on one rear cover. The new cell phone has not yet been put into mass production, so quantity is not as important. This makes our job more slow paced than in departments that have begun mass production schedules."

Another leak regarding the budget iPhone slipped from the Chinese website WeiPhone. It posted a picture of plastic packaging for the "iPhone 5C," which is rumored to be the name of the budget iPhone (which stands for iPhone 5 color).  

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andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By valkator on 8/12/2013 10:11:32 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe not exactly fused in one, but I can't wait for my AndrIphone 8!




RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 10:37:40 AM , Rating: 2
"Maybe not exactly fused in one, but I can't wait for my AndrIphone 8!"

Unless it had the worst of the 3... Android's security, WP8's app store and the small low res screen and lack of features of the iPhone. Frankenphone lives!


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By chripuck on 8/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 11:07:42 AM , Rating: 2
"Lol at lack of features... What does your S4/One have that this doesn't that the vast majority of users actually care about?"

I dont have (or want) an S4, but as far as missing features... (pasted from the other post).

Larger Screens, Higher resolution, Higher DPI, Better Edge to Edge display, Micro SD card, Removable batteries, NFC, Mini HDMI, Better Notifications, Widgets, Live wallpaper, Multi user support, Multi Window support, Wireless charging, etc. (the list goes on). It's actually missing alot. If none of the above is on your particular list of things you want, its certainly a good quality phone and very fast.


By vol7ron on 8/12/2013 11:32:34 AM , Rating: 2
Most is nice to have. I think the biggest limitation of the current set of iPhones (including the 5) is due to it's screen size, which prohibits software from being as usable/helpful as it could be.

Sure you could fit the same page onto a smaller screen that has higher DPI, but your fingers have a minimum surface area and your naked eye can only disambiguate at a certain ppi, which makes operating on smaller devices more difficult and less productive.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By jonm78 on 8/12/2013 11:45:47 AM , Rating: 4
You don't have an iPhone I take it? As an iPhone 5 owner I am not sure that I agree with you findings of what it lacks. But everyone is subjective about what they need vs the needs of others.

What sells me on the iPhone is the OS, apps and experience of using it every day. No other phone can compete with that. Android cannot offer me the same experience no matter what hardware they have on their devices.

I am all for the controlled environment of iPhone. I am glad that I do not need to tweak my phone just to make it work properly. I am glad that it doesn't come with bloatware and every iPhone is the same regardless of the carrier.

It might not have a quad core CPU or 2GB memory but it doesn't need that to be an amazing product that meets the needs of most people. By the way, I used to hate everything Apple and just switched from a Windows Phone 7.


By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 11:48:38 AM , Rating: 2
Like I said... "If none of the above is on your particular list of things you want, its certainly a good quality phone and very fast"


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/2013 1:19:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What sells me on the iPhone is the OS


It's official: IOS is now the worst mobile OS out of the main three. Sorry, that's an objective fact.

quote:
I am glad that I do not need to tweak my phone just to make it work properly.


You don't HAVE to "tweak" Android, but you get to if you wish.

You cannot even do simple tasks like setting an app preference in IOS. What if you want to use a non-default program to do something? Nope, the Apple says you cannot do that easily.

It sounds to me like all you want in a phone is a dumb app-launcher. In which case you would be perfectly happy using anything.

quote:
By the way, I used to hate everything Apple


What changed? Did you sustain a major head injury and got dumber?


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By half_duplex on 8/12/2013 1:45:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's official: IOS is now the worst mobile OS out of the main three. Sorry, that's an objective fact.


You do realize that after saying something this doltish, your credibility is tainted to the point that the rest of your rant is largely ignored, right?


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 3:04:22 PM , Rating: 2
And you think differently for you?

You come out swinging with insults at anyone that says anything about Apple that isnt 100% complimentary and then proceed to get worse with every post. You cant come up with any viable arguments, just anger and insults and you think people take you seriously? Look at the downvotes here for you and Reclaimer. Who is being taken more seriously here?

Hint: Its not you.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: 0
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 3:21:58 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... You cant even come up with a logical argument to point that you yourself bring up.

And again, cant make a single post without an insult. It's quite the talent you have there. Jr. High school has taught you well.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Mint on 8/12/2013 4:51:50 PM , Rating: 2
Geez, BSM, take a chill pill. In retro's second post, he said "If none of the above is on your particular list of things you want, its certainly a good quality phone and very fast."

Why do you have such a problem dealing with that? The iPhone is the best small phone on the market. Not everyone wants a small phone. Get it?

I use the stylus on my Note II all the time (capacitive styli are awful), the screen is large enough for me to have zero desire to carry a small tablet, and my hands are big enough to handle it just fine. The iPhone addresses none of those needs.

Other people have different needs.


By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 5:06:32 PM , Rating: 2
I know... WTF. This whole tread started with valkator off the cuff saying it would be cool to have a combo OS with (I assume) the best features of IOS, WP8 and Android.

I jokingly said "Unless it had the worst of the 3... Android's security, WP8's app store and the small low res screen and lack of features of the iPhone. " In the 2nd post I stated what you quoted above. Not only did I simply state facts, I even complimented iPhones.

How freeking dare I say such a thing. LOL. Someone is off his meds today.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/2013 7:09:08 PM , Rating: 2
Can't believe the guy and the insane level of his posting today. Frankly he needs to be permabanned or some kind of cool-off period. He's a danger to himself as well as others, nurse, bring in the horse tranquilizers. Lots of it.


By Spuke on 8/12/2013 11:01:00 PM , Rating: 2
Damn and I missed all the fun. Guess I'll go play BF3. I'm sure I can insult SOMEONE there.


By Samus on 8/12/2013 11:50:32 PM , Rating: 3
I agree with reclaimer (shockingly) and just can't consider iOS even a modern OS let alone a leader. It's basically Windows XP for mobile phones. Yes, it works fantastic, but it is far behind in security, features and UI.

Let's face it. The damn thing doesn't even have widgets. At least WP8 has an innovative workaround to widgets; live tiles. iOS requires going in to a App to do anything.

That is incredibly inefficient.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By jonm78 on 8/12/2013 9:16:38 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It sounds to me like all you want in a phone is a dumb app-launcher. In which case you would be perfectly happy using anything.


You are quite right! When it comes to a phone I do want it to just work. I didn't have that with WP7 at all. When it wasn't crashing it was glitching. The lack of apps and features turned me off completely.

Not having a single update to the OS in 2 years was a joke. The updates are restricted per carrier, which to my understanding is true for Android as well. Not that way for iPhone. Regardless of carrier you can update the OS.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/13/2013 12:49:50 AM , Rating: 3
So you're comparing modern day iOS to Windows Phone 7?

Well sure if you want to couch the argument like that, I guess iOS would look damn superior lol.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By jonm78 on 8/13/2013 9:52:00 AM , Rating: 1
WP7 is just like WP8. Well, different kernel but same interface. They both use Metro and live tiles and hubs.


By Reclaimer77 on 8/13/2013 1:50:11 PM , Rating: 3
That's like saying iOS 2 is the same as iOS 7.

errr...wait, maybe you have a point :)


By half_duplex on 8/12/2013 1:59:31 PM , Rating: 2
It was pretty easy to fat finger things on pre-iPhone 5. There was no excuse for the screen to stay that tiny for that long.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Roffles on 8/12/2013 5:01:53 PM , Rating: 2
What you just said translates to, "i don't know the difference a great phone and a phone that is lacking... but my phone works good for me so it's better than yours".

People who defend iOS because of its aesthetics, while not realizing it lacks key functionality compared to Andoid are the very definition of "computer illiterate".


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/2013 5:37:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
People who defend iOS because of its aesthetics, while not realizing it lacks key functionality compared to Andoid are the very definition of "computer illiterate".


Couldn't have said it better myself.

They defended the poor multi-tasking. The crappy notifications. They still defend the lack of an OS back button. So on and so forth.

This isn't fluff, it's - like you said - key functionality.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By jonm78 on 8/12/2013 10:47:37 PM , Rating: 1
I cannot do multitasking on such a small device and screen. I maybe need to copy and paste between apps but that's about it. I also prefer longer battery life so I hate the concept of running a lot of apps on a smart phone.

Not sure what you mean about the notifications?

Lack of an OS back button? The Home button takes you back. Double tapping on the Home button opens up your open applications so you can switch between them quickly. Do you just lack experience with an iPhone? I can see how that would make one so biased. I was once that way.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/13/2013 12:28:25 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Lack of an OS back button? The Home button takes you back.


Umm no, the home button takes you HOME. What if I don't want to go home, I just want to go BACK?

quote:
Double tapping on the Home button opens up your open applications so you can switch between them quickly.


I can do that on Android too by holding down Home. But I also have a back button, which makes navigation superior to iOS. Stop being the fanboi that fights from an untenable position. There's no way you can win this.

Leaving it up to the developers to place the back button wherever they want, if it's even there, was a stupid stupid decision by Apple. It makes for an inconsistent and jarring experience.

I have plenty of experience with an iPhone. I'm just shocked that you people can use it on a daily basis without noticing ANY flaws. Or defend them when others point them out.


By jonm78 on 8/13/2013 1:36:04 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Umm no, the home button takes you HOME. What if I don't want to go home, I just want to go BACK?


Back to what? I had a Windows Phone 7 with the Back button and it just took me Home when I was within an app.

quote:
I can do that on Android too by holding down Home. But I also have a back button, which makes navigation superior to iOS. Stop being the fanboi that fights from an untenable position. There's no way you can win this.


I don't know. I adapted pretty quickly from WP7 to iOS and I have only had my iPhone for a week. It really wasn't that complicated.

What "winning" are you talking about? I am just responding to you. There is no competition here for me. Everyone has their own preferences and opinions. I accept them without a problem. Do you?

quote:
I have plenty of experience with an iPhone. I'm just shocked that you people can use it on a daily basis without noticing ANY flaws. Or defend them when others point them out.


You people? Do you work for Google? I am not an Apple fanatic, don't confuse me with one. What defense are you talking about? It helps when you take a step back and approach a conversation minus the bias and assumption.


By chripuck on 8/13/2013 10:49:47 AM , Rating: 1
Back button? I have an Android tablet along with my iPhone and the back button is one of the most annoying things about Android. I don't need a back button ON EVERY SINGLE SCREEN.

Outside of weather, there isn't a single widget that's worth the battery life it takes to keep it refreshed.

Face it, even if Android is so superior to iOS as you claim, it's still a pathetic mobile OS which you allows you 1/5th the productivity of an actual PC. I want my phone to let me take good pictures, cruise the web (at 3G speeds no less), make phone calls, text and run the best apps. Nothing else is required.


By jonm78 on 8/12/2013 9:41:16 PM , Rating: 2
No, I am not an Apple fanatic. Sorry. You won't see me standing in line to buy one. You know what they say about assumption. I am not responding to say "my phone is better than yours". If you read properly, I understand that everyone has different needs, opinions, etc. I accept whatever works for you and makes you happy.

As far as being "computer illiterate", we are talking about smart phones and not computers. Don't use your bias towards Android to insult people you have never met.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: -1
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 12:04:54 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, if you dont use them, then good. There is nothing wrong with that, but dont crap on those that do. And go take your meds. There is smoke coming out of your ears at this point.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By elleehswon on 8/12/2013 2:51:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Higher DPI - Just this year


really? lets look at the 2012 phones too then:

I counted 29 phones(2013) with an hd display(the iphone has yet to have an HD display) and a higher ppi density than the iphones.

10 of these phones came in 2012.

1 of these phones came in 2011. the htc rezound(mislabeled on the page as 2012).


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 3:14:45 PM , Rating: 2
June 2010..


By elleehswon on 8/12/2013 3:56:12 PM , Rating: 2
your iphones'(4,4s,5) display has been sub-par since 2011.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By chripuck on 8/12/2013 12:23:02 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, thanks for providing a list of things I don't care about. Higher res displays... You're the same people dogging the Moto X for it's 720p display. 330 ppi is plenty dense enough for any non-pentile display and even pentile arrangements are fine for most.

And note, I think the S4 is a great phone if you like Android, I'm not dogging it actually.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 12:52:51 PM , Rating: 2
You are welcome... Some people do care about those things. They certainly aren't needed for everyone, but lets not pretend they don't exist becasue you dont want/need them.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 3:25:06 PM , Rating: 2
No-one said anything remotely close to what you posted above. Are you having a different argument with someone in your head and just responding to me? Or are you just making stuff up to try and look less stupid?


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 3:43:55 PM , Rating: 2
I said nothing with the word "sheep" as you claim, and furthermore said nothing negative about people that buy iPhones at all. As a matter of fact, what I said was "If none of the above is on your particular list of things you want, its certainly a good quality phone and very fast"

Considering that, yes, I am not sure what argument you are having or with who. I simply said that the iPhone is missing alot of features that Android has and if you dont want/need those features is a good phone... To that, rather than commenting on it agree or disagree, you just went off the deep end calling me an idiot. Those features exist and are used every day by millions and million of people. Sorry that offends you to the point you have to make an ass of yourself over a phone - especially when its just a factual statement. Those are features that exist on Android and not on iPhone. Not an overall statement insulting anyone at all you heaping nutjob (see, that last sentence WAS an insult).


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 4:12:56 PM , Rating: 2
You are completely unable to have a simple discussion with and you have failed to prove a single point beyond your Jr. High mentality. I posted a list of features and you see insults... Whatever. You are having an argument that no-one else is even involved with.

Enjoy that, I am done with your idiocy.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By chripuck on 8/13/2013 10:55:26 AM , Rating: 2
Who said to pretend they don't exist? My point was that most people don't care about these advanced features, including Android users. I know numerous people who own Androids who don't even know they can change their wallpaper, much less use NFC or widgets or any of the other advanced features in Android.

I've bought Android phones and returned them to go back to the iPhone because of the crappy experience. It was NOT Android's fault, but the manufacturer (the GSII was really a mediocre phone despite the praise.) I'm actually waiting until the 5S comes out to see if I'll get it, if it's nothing more than a tiny update then I'm going either the 1020 or the Moto X which seem like phones that the manufacturer put it together nicely.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 11:00:04 AM , Rating: 2
"My point was that most people don't care about these advanced features, including Android users."

That isnt what you said... You said "Ok, thanks for providing a list of things I don't care about . "

Regardless of what you want, or what you think other users want, those features are there and are used by millions and if you want them, the iPhone isn't an option because tehy are not supported.


By testerguy on 8/15/2013 5:15:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Regardless of what you want, or what you think other users want, those features are there and are used by millions


Er, where is your evidence for this?


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By half_duplex on 8/12/2013 1:53:15 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Larger Screens, Higher resolution, Higher DPI, Better Edge to Edge display, Micro SD card, Removable batteries, NFC, Mini HDMI, Better Notifications, Widgets, Live wallpaper, Multi user support, Multi Window support, Wireless charging, etc. (the list goes on). It's actually missing alot. If none of the above is on your particular list of things you want, its certainly a good quality phone and very fast.


iPhone Retina is superior to any Galaxy phone according to most. Edge to edge display isn't exactly a 'feature', more of a spec. SD card, def a feature and deal breaker for some. Multi-user support, live wall paper? Why??? Better notifications, def an opinion, late iOS notifications are great.

There is a list of features that Android offers that iOS doesn't but you're list isn't very close to that, you're listing is mostly useless features that Android has piled on for the express purpose of this such argument.

My list in favor of iOS is far more simple, it's coded better, and the apps are scrutinized. Android is a free for all, and I've found it to be buggy as hell. If it wasn't for my phonse amazing display and front facing speakers, I'd throw it out the window. Wish I could put iOS on it.

Disclaimer: I switched to HTC One from iPhone 4s.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/2013 2:00:46 PM , Rating: 2
Actually what's hurt iOS more than features, is Apple's lack of openness. Apple wants to control the user experience, even at the expense of the user. A huge movement to unlock iPhones has emerged in order to get around Apple’s controls. There's way more jailbroken iPhones in the wild than rooted Android phones I would bet. iPhone users who don’t unlock are left behind as the industry innovates in ways that require access to Apple’s locked-down areas of the platform.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/2013 2:56:38 PM , Rating: 2
Oh no, I've angered the BSMonitor!

Settle down you little spazoid before you pop something. There should have been a voice in your head telling you that post was a waste of time and bandwidth, stupid troll.


By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 3:37:38 PM , Rating: 2
LMAO, the exact same boring insult..

I love Android, I critcize Apple, I must make you mad...

Oooh ooh aaahh ahhh ahhh ooHh aahhh..


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By jonm78 on 8/13/2013 12:43:34 AM , Rating: 2
That's also known as quality control . I wouldn't blame Apple. It keeps quality applications with their OS so the user experience is better. That's a significant reason for people to use their product.

Not sure about your rumors of a "huge movement" to unlock iPhones. There are the occasional tweakers but majority of iPhone users do not mess with their phones. That's the Apple user base in general. It just works and majority of them are not technical enough to do what you claim. Heck, I am technical enough to do it but I won't. I prefer something that I know works and is completely supported by both Apple and AT&T.


By chripuck on 8/13/2013 10:58:18 AM , Rating: 2
Yes and no. There's no reason to lock down certain aspects of the OS like lockscreen customization and springboard customization. I've had really nice custom launchscreens on my jailbroken iPhone to no ill effect.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/2013 2:18:08 PM , Rating: 5
And you talk about my credability?

List of dumb things you've said this post:

1.
quote:
iPhone Retina is superior to any Galaxy phone according to most.


First off "Retina" doesn't have any meaning anymore when competitors have more PPI than the iPhone and 1080p resolutions.

I know "Retina" was magical and all back in 2009, but it's time to get better talking points. Also nowhere did he claim "Galaxy" displays were superior. There are several Android phones not made by Samsung who's screen trounces the iPhone's.

2.
quote:
you're listing is mostly useless features that Android has piled on for the express purpose of this such argument.


Right, that makes sense. Somewhere in a smoke-filled "Android" meeting, they came up with a bunch of features nobody wanted JUST for arguments like this. Yeah man, real believable! /facepalm

3.
quote:
Better notifications, def an opinion, late iOS notifications are great.


Android had a better notification systems on day 1 than iOS. Notifications displaying on the lock screen are also an Android innovation. Yes iOS has gotten a lot better, mostly from straight up copying Android, but it's still not even as good. This is NOT an "opinion", it's the exact opposite of that.

4.
quote:
My list in favor of iOS is far more simple, it's coded better


It's coded more better!? I'm sorry but I think a 12 year old could have stated this more eloquently. Can you give some example of the more betterer code please?

5.
quote:
Disclaimer: I switched to HTC One from iPhone 4s.


oh god, it's Pirks/Tester all over again. Where you rant for hours about the superiority of a platform, then admit you specifically chose a competing product.

THIS kills your credibility straight out. If iOS and the iPhone are so superior; if Android is a bunch of crap with useless features, why didn't you buy an iPhone!?


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 2:57:27 PM , Rating: 1
Blah blah blah, psychopath on the loose.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/2013 3:00:49 PM , Rating: 3
You know BS, you are really contributing a TON to this discussion. I commend you for your insight and maturity.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 3:09:45 PM , Rating: 3
I thought tester was bad. This guy is like Tester and Pirks love.... Scratch that. Hatechild.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/2013 3:10:26 PM , Rating: 2
Meah I'm just going to ignore it and hope it goes away.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 3:25:47 PM , Rating: 1
Awww how cute, they are teaming up on me...


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 3:29:31 PM , Rating: 3
Seriously... Are you 12 years old? If you cant openly and honestly have a simple discussion about phones features, supported and unsupported without getting all bent out of shape then just stop posting.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 3:56:32 PM , Rating: 2
Its an article about the announcement of the next iPhone with no disclosure of the details of the phone..

And you Androidites come and tout a bunch of "features" that hardly anyone uses... The same boring discussion I could have with any Best Buy employee..

The S4's screen impresses me.
The 41MP camera from Nokia impresses me.

Marketing speak and whiny, iPhone is not "X, Y, Z" doesn't impress me.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 4:00:40 PM , Rating: 2
"The S4's screen impresses me.
The 41MP camera from Nokia impresses me.

Marketing speak and whiny, iPhone is not "X, Y, Z" doesn't impress me."


Nothing... Absolutely nothing said by anyone here was designed to "impress" you captain narcissist. The world is not your personal punching bag. You will learn that when you leave Jr. High.


By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 4:13:05 PM , Rating: 2
Funny, I thought this was announcement of a new product. Pretty sure all those "features" you rant on and on and on and on and on about are meant to impress us... Courtesy of Samsung and/or HTC.

Apple will be attempting the same.


By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 3:16:38 PM , Rating: 2
What discussion, you are ALWAYS Right...


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 9:54:30 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Larger Screens, Higher resolution, Higher DPI, Better Edge to Edge display


....

- Larger screen isn't necessarily better
- The higher resolution isn't visible because you can't see pixels on the iPhone anyway.
- Higher DPI isn't different to the above point.
- 'Better edge to edge display' isn't a fact. If it's better in your opinion , it's only better by virtue of it being larger. It isn't better in terms of quality of screen.

So far, one point of yours remains - large screen (which some people like, some people dislike).

- Micro SD card - Oops, Android doesn't allow you to install apps on that anymore. And how much storage does the 16GB S4 have available after all that bloat is added? No wonder Samsung makes you pay extra to buy extra, very slow storage.
- Removable batteries - If you're prepared to carry around a replacement battery you can carry around a portable charger which doesn't force you to turn your phone off and give you all the same benefits
- NFC - yep (but not used at all in most countries right now)
- Mini HDMI - no benefit. There are HDMI cables for iPhone.
- 'Better Notifications' - definitely wrong. I have seen loads of posts recently comparing notifications on both and having used both on my Nexus 4 and iPhone, the iPhone is better.
- 'Widgets' - yep, but for me this is pretty much a gimmick. I never kept them on my Nexus 4, they just drain the battery.
- 'Live wallpaper' - I'm not even going to take that one seriously.
- 'Multi user support' - Yeah I guess if I allowed anyone else to use my phone for any long period of time this would have any benefit whatsoever. Except hardly anyone does. Tablets? Sure. Phones? Na.
- 'Multi Window support' - LOL, on a phone screen. Good one. I don't even like doing this on my laptop.
- 'Wireless charging' - Pointless gimmick. If you pick up your phone when you get a call, you stop the charging. Not so with a lead.

So we're left with:

1 - Larger screen (good and bad)
2 - NFC (not useful in many countries)
3 - Wallpapers (bit gimmicky but there)

Not so much, really. And that's before we lay into all the drawbacks you have to endure for gaining those 3 items, the latter two of which nobody really cares about.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 10:19:34 AM , Rating: 2
Yawn. Your opinion is well documented. The fact is that millions and millions of people use these features every day. The fact that you dont is meaningless. Like I have said in this thread several times... If you dont want/need any of them and you are OK with a small screen with lower res and DPI than the competition, the iPhone is good and has alot of high points (Speed, battery life, apps). But lets not preted they dont exist and arent used by millions.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 10:34:25 AM , Rating: 2
None of what I said is dependant or reliant on denying how many people use 'those features' (which is not at all documented).

I would actually say that (in my view) the people who are using Android are in... possibly 80% of cases doing it for 1 of two reasons:

1 - Screen size
2 - Price.

That's fine, I don't care who buys what. But it shouldn't be used to make out like Apple is so far behind feature wise and that the domination of Android proves this.

The reality is that if you actually bought an iPhone, you would find it every bit as capable of doing what you want as your current phone. In fact, anyone with a technical brain can work out how to get past issues such as the file system, default apps, etc. You would probably find a lot about it you prefer, too. I bought a Nexus 4 and at first I found it to be way better than my previous iPhone, but gradually I've started to find little ways and details in which the iPhone is better, for example I find that when I use my Nexus I don't actually read my notifications because they're hidden away, whereas on iOS they are like messages popping up. I am simply more connected when I use my iPhone.

Sure, all of the things you said are 'used' by millions - but that doesn't mean they actually use them, wallpapers, NFC, the DPI, replaceable batteries, SD cards are all things that I literally do not know anyone who uses / or would notice if they are gone.

People simply aren't buying for those reasons. People are buying because of the large screens, and price.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 10:46:26 AM , Rating: 2
"That's fine, I don't care who buys what. But it shouldn't be used to make out like Apple is so far behind feature wise and that the domination of Android proves this."

But it is behind and lacking these features. No amount of excuses or angry posts cant change that. Sorry.

The reality is that if you actually bought an iPhone, you would find it every bit as capable of doing what you want as your current phone

That is because if you want/need things on the HUGE list of missing features you didnt buy an iPhone. Duh.

"Sure, all of the things you said are 'used' by millions - but that doesn't mean they actually use them, wallpapers, NFC, the DPI, replaceable batteries, SD cards are all things that I literally do not know anyone who uses / or would notice if they are gone."

OK, well Tester and people he knows don't use them, so obviously they are useless.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 10:58:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
But it is behind and lacking these features


Correlation does not imply causation.

Like I said, for most people they are not 'features' - they are gimmicks. Android being ahead is because it's cheaper, and because there are larger screen options.

I even think 80% is conservative.

quote:
That is because if you want/need things on the HUGE list of missing features you didnt buy an iPhone. Duh.


No, I think even if you want anything on that list, you'd realise that none of them are required to use a phone if you bought an iPhone. My iPhone 4 lasts 2 days longer than my much newer Nexus 4 on battery, for example. You don't need a replaceable battery if you aren't battling battery life all the time. Similarly, you don't need SD card storage if your phone doesn't come pre-filled with bloat leaving you with less than 8 GB.

quote:
OK, well Tester and people he knows don't use them, so obviously they are useless.


I'm actually glad you make this point - because it makes mine. Your claim is dependant on the fact that the majority of Android users are buying because of these 'features' (not price, and not large screens) and you have precisely nothing to back that up. So, to use your line, 'retro thinks they are useful so obviously everybody must have them and that's why Android is selling'.

quote:
No amount of excuses or angry posts cant change that. Sorry.


I am confused that in a post which probably insults you the least out of many of my posts (I am usually less polite) you choose to describe my response as 'angry'? I think you may be projecting.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 11:11:23 AM , Rating: 2
"No, I think even if you want anything on that list, you'd realise that none of them are required to use a phone if you bought an iPhone. My iPhone 4 lasts 2 days longer than my much newer Nexus 4 on battery, for example. You don't need a replaceable battery if you aren't battling battery life all the time. Similarly, you don't need SD card storage if your phone doesn't come pre-filled with bloat leaving you with less than 8 GB"

You are putting your experience and usage in place of others. There are cases where both are useful. I don't travel much for work any more and replaceable batteries aren't too important for me anymore but they are for many. Dont tell my any iPhone can last being used for entertainment on an 18 hour flight to Asia and then hit the airport and a company visit all day afterward and possibly dinner and drinks the night after without needeing a charge. It's not convenient to carry a plug in pack that you have to keep plugged into your phone for a few hours when you are on the go. Having an extra battery is useful. OF course not for everyone, but IF you need it , its not an option on the iPhone.

"I'm actually glad you make this point - because it makes mine. Your claim is dependant on the fact that the majority of Android users are buying because of these 'features' (not price, and not large screens) and you have precisely nothing to back that up. So, to use your line, 'retro thinks they are useful so obviously everybody must have them and that's why Android is selling'."

Totally unfair and twisting words. I never said I think they are useful so everybody must have them. I have said several times in this very thread that IF you don't want/need any of them and you are OK with a small screen with lower res and DPI than the competition, the iPhone is good and has alot of high points (Speed, battery life, apps).

"I am confused that in a post which probably insults you the least out of many of my posts (I am usually less polite) you choose to describe my response as 'angry'? I think you may be projecting."

I actually did notice you are more pleasant today... I wasnt referring to todays post, but previous angry rants.


By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 11:14:09 AM , Rating: 2
I forgot to mention storage. It's not even a debate. It's not about apps or Sambloat. If you want to load it up with pics, movies and MP3's and use it where the cloud isnt an option because you have like most users a 2GB data cap SD is the best option. I cant get how you even bother to debate this fact. Its pointless. If you need it, you need it... Period, end of story.


By testerguy on 8/13/2013 11:34:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You are putting your experience and usage in place of others. There are cases where both are useful. I don't travel much for work any more and replaceable batteries aren't too important for me anymore but they are for many. Dont tell my any iPhone can last being used for entertainment on an 18 hour flight to Asia and then hit the airport and a company visit all day afterward and possibly dinner and drinks the night after without needeing a charge. It's not convenient to carry a plug in pack that you have to keep plugged into your phone for a few hours when you are on the go. Having an extra battery is useful. OF course not for everyone, but IF you need it , its not an option on the iPhone.


If I'm on a long flight, honestly it's no inconvenience at all to plug my phone into a mobile charger. Or use a mophie case or other equivalent which doubles/triples battery life with no leads.

And I'm not trying to put my own experience forward here, I'm trying to explain what I believe the majority of people use as justifications to buy their phones. I believe you could find several surveys asking people why they bought their Android and I think 'Large screen' was higher than the rest combined.

quote:
Totally unfair and twisting words. I never said I think they are useful so everybody must have them


But actually, you kind of did. You're clearly trying to imply that iOS is behind Android because of these 'missing features'. For that to be true, a high proportion of Android users would necessarily have to have them, and have purchased because of them. It's that which I disagree with.

Clearly there are niche situations and edge case people who seek out these features, but my point is that combined they represent much less than 20% of the justifications for why people buy Android phones. Price and large screen are much, much bigger drivers and are responsible for iOS being behind, in my view.

quote:
I have said several times in this very thread that IF you don't want/need any of them and you are OK with a small screen with lower res and DPI than the competition, the iPhone is good and has alot of high points


Size and weight too, security and reliability and build quality. But I digress, the issue I have is that you seem to believe that the scenario you cater for in the above quote (not wanting / needing any of those features) is a small proportion of users. It isn't. I would say that 90% of users do not need anything on that list (minus large screen). The large screen is the single biggest driver, and people who are short on money to buy the iPhone often end up getting cheaper Androids. It doesn't mean they feel the Android is further ahead, or are buying for those 'features' - it just means it suits their budget better.


By ritualm on 8/13/2013 5:49:01 PM , Rating: 2
Oh please.
quote:
The higher resolution isn't visible because you can't see pixels on the iPhone anyway.

Yet when Apple markets their next generation super-high resolution display, more pixels are suddenly more important. You're just mad that it's not Apple doing the spec game that you so lovingly oppose to your last breath.
quote:
Micro SD card - Oops, Android doesn't allow you to install apps on that anymore. And how much storage does the 16GB S4 have available after all that bloat is added? No wonder Samsung makes you pay extra to buy extra, very slow storage.

That cloud storage is the future? How do you expect someone who constantly travel abroad to have always-on access to cloud storage, huh? Your 64GB iPhones have maybe 57GB available for programs, music, videos, documents and pictures. Meanwhile, my 16GB S4 has 64GB of storage available for all that stuff, and 64GB microSD cards can be bought off Amazon for $55 shipped.

Versus a $200 price premium to get an additional 48GB of storage on your iPhones. Clearly. Failing.
quote:
Removable batteries - If you're prepared to carry around a replacement battery you can carry around a portable charger which doesn't force you to turn your phone off and give you all the same benefits

I don't carry a replacement battery. I use an extended third-party battery with 2.8 times the capacity. No such option exists for iPhones since day one.
quote:
'Better Notifications' - definitely wrong. I have seen loads of posts recently comparing notifications on both and having used both on my Nexus 4 and iPhone, the iPhone is better.

Your comparison is null simply due to your pre-existing bias in favor of iOS.
quote:
'Widgets' - yep, but for me this is pretty much a gimmick. I never kept them on my Nexus 4, they just drain the battery.

You realize that you can use mismatched ROMs and kernels on Android devices? Custom kernels offer more granular control over the device's general performance. By stark comparison, you cannot even do this on any iPhone without first jailbreaking it.

I can squeeze at least ten days typical usage on my S4, extended battery and all, with everything (read: LTE, GPS, Bluetooth, max display brightness) turned on. iPhones last maybe 3 days between recharges. You lose.
quote:
'Wireless charging' - Pointless gimmick. If you pick up your phone when you get a call, you stop the charging. Not so with a lead.

Apple comes out with its own proprietary wireless charging feature, and suddenly your mouth starts to water. Too easy.

You and BSM love sucking each other's condensed milk, though. Hardly a surprise.


By superflex on 8/12/2013 12:40:57 PM , Rating: 2
IR Blaster, NFC, 1080p resolution, low light camera ability, and on and on.
Apple hasn't innovated anything in years.
The iPhone is the perfect mobile device for tweens and old people.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/2013 1:27:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
One have that this doesn't that the vast majority of users actually care about?


That's a trap. When faced with the huge pile of features that Apple denies you, you'll simply counter with saying "nobody cares" about them or they are gimmicks.

Features are features. Whether or not you "care" about them is irrelevant. In technology, very rarely is spending the same or more for less features viewed as a good thing.

Also whenever someone tries to speak for the majority, he just comes off like a condescending jerk. The "majority" has chosen Android over iOS, by an astounding margin. THEY are speaking, YOU should listen.

The fact that every change in the iPhone and iOS over the past two years has been the copying of Android phone features you claim "nobody" cares about, should tell you something.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 2:08:44 PM , Rating: 2
"The fact that every change in the iPhone and iOS over the past two years has been the copying of Android phone features you claim "nobody" cares about, should tell you something."

This is true... Except the ones Apple copied from WebOS. But I have no issue with that.

What strikes me as odd is the marketing as a high end phone. Ofcourse not everyone uses every feature, but usually high end phones have most of the available tech in them. Apple's high end iPhone is really missing alot of features for a so called high end phone. Again, if you dont use any of them and you are OK with a small screen with lower res and DPI than the competition, the iPhone is good and has alot of high points (Speed, battery life, apps) but damn, it is really missing alot.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 4:02:43 PM , Rating: 2
So-called high end phone?!?!?

LMAO at ranting idiots


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 4:04:26 PM , Rating: 2
"LMAO at ranting idiots"

True ... And irony too.


By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 4:20:31 PM , Rating: 1
The irony is that you actually believe that people don't see through you acting exactly the same way.

I simple mock you to the point that your true color is revealed for what it is..

Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


By Cheesew1z69 on 8/13/2013 8:51:15 AM , Rating: 2
My lord, this dude doesn't stop, I was in bed sick yesterday just watching this all go on, shaking my head.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By testerguy on 8/13/13, Rating: 0
RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 10:41:03 AM , Rating: 2
"Sigh, nothing in Android is original, so by definition if Apple incorporates anything that Google copied from someone else , they are not copying Google. And also, tell that to all the people who claim that iOS 7 is a copy of Windows Phone."

That isnt really true either. Apple started copying these features AFTER Android started outselling it. It saw the appeal and implementation and copied it. And there is nothing wrong with that. All companies do it.


RE: andriod - iphone - win phone 8 fused in one
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 10:45:40 AM , Rating: 1
Well my point isn't that Apple hasn't been inspired by Android in some cases, or Web OS, or Windows Phone. It clearly has.

My point is that if you describe Apple as copying then you have to go back and see where Android copied them from, because I can't think of anything that was new when it came to Android.

If you're prepared to go back and find the Neonode with regard to the 'slide to unlock' - you should do the same with anything you accuse Apple of copying.

Like you said though - what Apple is doing is fine, taking inspiration and improving on what your competitors is doing is what competition is all about.


By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 10:50:16 AM , Rating: 2
"Like you said though - what Apple is doing is fine, taking inspiration and improving on what your competitors is doing is what competition is all about."

On that we can totally agree. this is why all of these lawsuits drive me nuts. Every company does that. This inst a tech issue, its in all industries. Look at automotive, anything with 4 wheels and an engine is a copy of an earlier design. Any smartphone today is built on Palm and Rimm's earlier work. Who cares. The company that can make the best product and/or best price wins.


By valkator on 8/12/2013 11:06:50 AM , Rating: 2
I was referring to things like the flat look and control center that made it similar to the other OSs.

More of a harmless jab than anything. I think it is good for Apple to have these new features, but not like this is some amazing enhancement on the phone.


OMG
By cokbun on 8/12/2013 10:01:31 AM , Rating: 4
Oh my GOD!! IT'S WHITE !!!




RE: OMG
By AMDftw on 8/12/2013 10:18:27 AM , Rating: 2
I LOLed


RE: OMG
By cpeter38 on 8/12/2013 11:46:25 AM , Rating: 2
And it has a couple Android features!!!


RE: OMG
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 10:05:28 AM , Rating: 2
a couple of*


Apple Bickering
By valkator on 8/12/2013 11:38:58 AM , Rating: 3
Nothing like an article about Apple products that brews up bickering comments. Love it! Comments count sky rockets like no other article on DT.




1 more row of awesomeness please
By luv2liv on 8/12/2013 11:45:39 AM , Rating: 2
i will be very disappointed if this iphone does not have 1 extra row of icons!




Apply freefall since jobs death
By bobcpg on 8/12/2013 12:34:05 PM , Rating: 2
Jobs knew Apple had no competition and kept it that way. It appears Apple is now joining the common folk with a cheap version of iPhone.

Jobs would have never of done this along with some of the new commercials!

Without the Joker, Batman is nothing. Especially if just Robin will do on the cheap.




By DiscoWade on 8/12/2013 1:21:00 PM , Rating: 2
This is just for fun. "What it is like to own an Apple product".
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple




iPad Mini/iPhone Large
By MaulBall789 on 8/12/2013 2:51:09 PM , Rating: 2
I say Apple should just kill two birds with one stone and give the iPad Mini a Retina display and make it a phone. Bada bing - bada boom. 7" iPhone. Watch all the other 7" tablets follow within a month, but only after the iPhone Mega (I'm copywriting that) has sold a billion of them.




samuel1c.handel
By samuel1c.handel on 8/12/2013 3:38:42 PM , Rating: 2
as Nathan said I'm in shock that any one able to earn $8098 in four weeks on the computer. did you read this webpage www.work25.Com




By Tony Swash on 8/12/2013 1:19:52 PM , Rating: 1
Horace at Asymco has done another of his data based analyses of how will iPhones 5S and 5C be priced? Thorough as usual.

http://www.asymco.com/2013/08/12/how-will-iphones-...




Meh
By cpeter38 on 8/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By jimbojimbo on 8/12/2013 9:53:13 AM , Rating: 4
But I want to know how how an OS is going from 6 to 7 and one of the major advancements they can tout are icons with square corners instead of rounded. I mean, that's magical!!


RE: Meh
By Dr of crap on 8/12/2013 9:57:36 AM , Rating: 3
I can just see the "new" ad on TV with those people standing in line saying the new merits of the phone and it "round" icons!!!!

LOL!


RE: Meh
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By Mitch101 on 8/12/2013 10:36:37 AM , Rating: 3
Whats a joke is how Apple hasn't adopted a Memory slot or more importantly Gorilla Glass. No matter how thin and light it may be it will require a case that defeats the purpose of thin and light and the cheap glass Apple uses. I almost don't know anyone who hasn't broken the glass on their Apple iPod/iPhone at some point.

Im so over phones that need protective cases defeating the purpose, design, and ruin the ease of functionality of the device. If it needs a case its cheap crap.


RE: Meh
By chripuck on 8/12/2013 10:50:41 AM , Rating: 1
Gorilla glass? I use the following case on the past 3 iPhones' I've had and I've dropped them on concrete numerous times with no issues:

http://www.amazon.com/elago-Slim-Fit-Case-iPhone/d...

And the reason they don't have a memory slot is that most people don't care about a memory slot.


RE: Meh
By ReloadAO on 8/12/2013 11:00:10 AM , Rating: 2
You will care when you'll need it. It will be too late then.

All these features are not to be used all the time, but it is good to have them.

Possibilities and freedom!


RE: Meh
By chripuck on 8/12/2013 12:25:42 PM , Rating: 2
I don't care about limiting possibilities or freedom. If you like Android I say good for you.

I'm merely replying to the idiocy of both people who stick their svelte ultra thin phone in an Otterbox and the guy I was replying to that stated Gorilla glass was some sort of missing innovation for Apple.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 12:33:25 PM , Rating: 2
I am 99% sure that the iPhone has had Gorilla glass (or some equivalent) from the very 1st one in 2007. Didnt it?


RE: Meh
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By andrewaggb on 8/12/2013 11:25:47 AM , Rating: 2
I wish my ipad and ipod touch had micro-sd slots for movies/tv shows/digital camera picture viewing. And a replaceable battery would be nice because I find after 2 years the built in batteries on phones/tablets/laptops start to suck. Sure you normally get a new device every two years or so anyways, but my kids could still get a lot of use out of it if I could put a new battery in.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 11:51:22 AM , Rating: 2
No, you are the one jumping on with an angry insulting rebuttal to any factual post about Apple's new phone and thing's it is missing. Is that really so offensive to you to make you angry? I said, and re-said "If none of the above is on your particular list of things you want, its certainly a good quality phone and very fast"


RE: Meh
By BSMonitor on 8/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 12:02:32 PM , Rating: 2
So angry... WTF is wrong with your head man?

It was a list of missing features. If Apple adds any of them then good. I am not an Apple owner, but I am a SysAdmin at a Company with hundreds of iPhone's (mostly 4s's and 5's) and iPads and I do see, use, and set them up for users alot. If you cant openly and honestly have a simple discussion about phones features, supported and unsupported without getting all bent out of shape then stop posting FFS!


RE: Meh
By Reclaimer77 on 8/12/2013 1:31:20 PM , Rating: 1
WOW!! Dude the only one "ranting" here is you lol.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 1:33:28 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... I know.

WHAT! You say the iPhone is missing this bunch of features? How DARE you! I DONT USE THOSE FEATURES YOU IDIOT!

Anger management.


RE: Meh
By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 3:59:09 PM , Rating: 2
Awww, so cute you and Reclaimer rating people down.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 9:54:28 AM , Rating: 2
All of the people that want a phone with the exact same size, same screen with the same lower resolution and DPI than the competition... But faster than last years already plenty fast model.


RE: Meh
By karimtemple on 8/12/2013 10:27:09 AM , Rating: 2
If they were ever going to do a bigger iPhone it'd be this year. Steve said they'd never do a bigger iPhone or a smaller iPad. Well, Steve's gone (RIP) and guess what.

If they did it I'd guess it to be between 4.5" and 4.7". They'd continue to do the 4" version.


RE: Meh
By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 11:20:47 AM , Rating: 2
LMAO, surely you didn't make the argument that prior to this very last generation of Android phones that iPhone users since iPhone 4 should give up DPI for "bigger screens"...

You are an idiot.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 11:24:55 AM , Rating: 2
No, I am saying todays high end Android phones have not only larger, but higher res AND higher DPI. Smaller bezels as well.


RE: Meh
By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 11:42:20 AM , Rating: 2
Right, just now they do. When iPhone 5 was released, they didn't.

Bigger screen meant nothing until April of this year to most of us who enjoy high DPI since 2010.. LMAO

Glad Samsung finally caught up and released a product I'd actually consider switching to.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 11:58:02 AM , Rating: 1
??? DPI over 300 has been available for quite a long time on Android, but surpassed iPhone with the DNA last November with well over 400 DPI.. April 2013 isn't when the majority of Android makers caught up with iPhone, its when they completely surpassed it going well over 400... Overkill? Probably, but 1920x1080 its an easy doubling of 960x540 that many have used for years. To have 5"+ screens with 720p is getting lower than 300 DPI and into poor quality territory so 1080p is the next obvious bump.

Still not getting the angry and revisionist history thing you have going on here. Settle down, no-one is insulting your mother, we are talking about phones here.


RE: Meh
By JackBurton on 8/12/2013 9:58:33 AM , Rating: 2
If this was a new release by Samsung, I'd agree with you. But this is a new iPhone, and people do care...a lot.

I personally can't wait for it. I need a new phone and this release is timed perfectly for me.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 10:05:39 AM , Rating: 2
I am sure it will be a nice phone, but he is referring to the lack of anything interesting about it. The "same exact thing only faster" card is getting old. Especially with a device that is missing so many features. .


RE: Meh
By quiksilvr on 8/12/2013 10:06:59 AM , Rating: 2
If they come out with a larger screened iPhone that actually has Near Field Communication, they'd be set.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 10:28:26 AM , Rating: 2
Ya, it seems like a no brainer. An iPhone with a larger higher res screen would sell like crazy. Not as an "either or", but to sell both the 4 inch and a bigger one as well.


RE: Meh
By karimtemple on 8/12/2013 10:33:13 AM , Rating: 2
A bigger iPhone would do very well.

But nobody actually cares about NFC lol. There are phones from 2011 with NFC, and here we are in 2013 and no one is using it. All that "pay wallet" crap is still dumb, all the NFC door locks are DIY, and its most marketable feature is still that you can 'bump' your friend's phone to get contacts or photos or something.

Naaaaaaaahhhh.


RE: Meh
By KentState on 8/12/2013 11:38:19 AM , Rating: 2
When an entire OS maker doesn't include a feature like NFC in their phone, it's hard for the market to move forward. Apple would be a good way to push NFC since it wouldn't be optional.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 11:39:53 AM , Rating: 2
I am hearing that the 5s will have NFC. Just rumors, but it may happen now. Coupled with fingerprint software it could work its way into a good thing.


RE: Meh
By JackBurton on 8/12/2013 10:19:22 AM , Rating: 2
Not sure if will be worth upgrading from a 5 to the new version, but I think it will be a very polished phone as usual from Apple. The new iOS is looking great and the rumored fingerprint scanner looks to be a nice feature. I'm sure it will be faster than the 5, but quite honestly, I never felt like I needed more speed out of the 5. If Apple does come out with something special with the new phone, great. But I'd be happy with a tweaked iPhone 5.


RE: Meh
By ReloadAO on 8/12/2013 10:55:15 AM , Rating: 2
Yeeey, free fingerprints for NSA :D


RE: Meh
By maevinj on 8/12/2013 11:01:37 AM , Rating: 2
Definitely not worth it to go from a 5 to 5s. But for people that have a 4 or 4s, It will be a major improvement.


RE: Meh
By chripuck on 8/12/2013 10:53:00 AM , Rating: 3
Missing so many features? Like what? NFC? A barometer? FM Radio? I mean seriously, it runs apps flawlessly, it's battery life is good, it takes some of the best pictures out there. I wish it had a slightly larger screen, but you do realize most people don't care if their phone has 8 cores and 2 GB of RAM?


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 11:05:07 AM , Rating: 1
"Missing so many features? Like what?"

I was referring to the useful features it lacks that its competitors have... Larger Screens, Higher resolution, Higher DPI, Better Edge to Edge display, Micro SD card, Removable batteries, NFC, Mini HDMI, Better Notifications, Widgets, Live wallpaper, Multi user support, Multi Window support, Wireless charging, etc. (the list goes on). It's actually missing alot. If none of the above is on your particular list of things you want, its certainly a good quality phone and very fast.


RE: Meh
By chripuck on 8/12/2013 12:34:10 PM , Rating: 2
I acknowledged screen size in my op, otherwise nothing else I care about. I have an (overpriced) HDMI adapter, I have 50+ gb of cloud storage so no need for Micro SD, I owned the first iPhone for 3 years and never replaced the battery, NFC is DOA, iOS Notifications are actually better (and straight ripped off from Android in a classic Apple move), Live Wallpaper (yawn), multi-user/multi-window is useful in a tablet, but certainly not in a phone.

It's a mobile device running a mobile OS. No amount of additional features makes it not a mobile OS. I have CM10 running on a Touchpad as my only tablet, I'm not Android illiterate. It's app selection and quality is inferior to iOS, widget usefulness is grossly over exaggerated and it's less open than a jailbroken iOS device.


RE: Meh
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 10:11:08 AM , Rating: 2
No chripuck, you're not allowed to not care about pointless features (pronounced: gimmicks).

Because MOAR IS MOAR! Some people can't sleep at night without maintaining lists of these s-fails.

Just like the GIGGERHERTZ are higher so that means better, no?

In fact, when I carried out a totally real survey of all of my iPhone friends, what they all said was that they wished they had live wallpapers, widgets and a massive brick of a phone.

OK, so that totally didn't happen.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 10:33:28 AM , Rating: 2
That is really not a fair comparison, because most of the missing features are HIGHLY useful and or very nice to have for those that use them.

Both of your arguments are like saying, "I dont use the cruise control in my car, therefore its a useless feature/gimmick" Well, for the millions that use it, its great and a car without it is lacking to those users. Its REALLY not a difficult point to grasp is it? Just because YOU don't use it doesn't mean its useless to anyone else other than you. And again, if those features arent ones that you use or care about , then the iPhone is a great quality phone. FFS, how many times must that be said... without hte standard "But I dont use it" response.


RE: Meh
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 11:03:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
most of the missing features are HIGHLY useful


Sorry, but no.

quote:
I dont use the cruise control in my car, therefore its a useless feature/gimmick


Which would be logically correct...

quote:
Well, for the millions that use it


I don't see any evidence for usage for any of the 'features' you provided.. Nor do I see any evidence that usage is tied to purchasing decisions. Both of which your point depends on.

quote:
Just because YOU don't use it doesn't mean its useless to anyone else other than you


Just because YOU use it doesn't mean it's useful to anyone else other than you. See how logic works?

quote:
And again, if those features arent ones that you use or care about , then the iPhone is a great quality phone


Nothing you have said changes with the addition of this line. I didn't ask for it, and it doesn't interest me. Gimmicks are still gimmicks whether the iPhone is a good phone or not.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 11:26:46 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... OK, I give up. I am done feeding you on this for now... Everything you assert here is just wrong, and I am tired of explaining why. I think you know why and are just arguing because you like to.


RE: Meh
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 11:40:14 AM , Rating: 2
I was about to write on the CheeseW response, don't backslide to simply saying things like 'you're wrong' or attempting to make out like I'm 'trolling' whenever you can't logically respond to my points. Try to continue a logical debate, you'll find it more rewarding.

For any device, ever, if you don't care about a feature and don't find it useful, to you - it's a gimmick.

You're claiming that all of these features are important and for that to be true you would need to evidence that they are a) Used by a high proportion of Android users and b) That those users bought because of it, neither of which is possible.

Given the above two factual statements (reflecting the post to which you replied), asserting that everything I said is 'just wrong' is a weak, illogical retort. It's worse than not saying anything at all, because it shows that you can't actually show any reason why I'm wrong. Because I'm not, because logic is irrefutable.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 11:43:37 AM , Rating: 2
/paste

Misunderstand the comment and then assume and insult. Then you persist with your false conclusions and when people give up trying to talk to you, you claim victory saying your points are proven and cant be refuted. Wrong...You are just too hard headed and obnoxious to see it and arguing with a troll is pointless.


RE: Meh
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 1:30:11 PM , Rating: 2
See this comment, right here?

It addresses precisely zero of my points.

It actually addresses nothing I said, at all.

Resorting to this is admitting failure. If you say I've misunderstood, show me where. If you say I made false assumptions, tell me which assumption I made and why it's wrong.

You're not, you're writing a generic paragraph which adds absolutely nothing because you're unwilling (or unable) to try to logically make your point.


RE: Meh
By BSMonitor on 8/12/2013 11:13:40 AM , Rating: 2
I love the clueless fanboy BS..

Really, what is the S4 if not the same exact thing only slightly better specs??


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 10:13:38 AM , Rating: 2
Faulty logic is trying to compare a specific handset (iPhone) to a 'platform' - Android, whilst making excuses for any given Android handsets failing by the fact that there are other handsets (which all have other failings) available.

When you experience Android, you do it on a single device. You don't gather the best features of any phone. And you do not gain anything whatsoever from any other phone being available once you've made your selection.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 10:16:50 AM , Rating: 2
"Faulty logic is trying to compare a specific handset (iPhone) to a 'platform' - Android"

I am comparing a platform IOS/iPhone to a platform - Android. And your opinion isnt worth smack, becasue your bias is ridiculous.


RE: Meh
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 11:06:14 AM , Rating: 2
OK, well if you're comparing platforms then you can't talk about:

NFC
DPI
Resolution
Screen size
SD Cards
Removable battery
Camera
Bezels

Since those are device specific traits.

So what are you left with? A subjective opinion that notifications are better, multi user accounts (doesn't iOS 7 have this?), live wallpapers (doesn't iOS 7 have this?), widgets.

So not much, really.


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 11:18:33 AM , Rating: 2
Ugh... Tiring of this.

Try thinking as a consumer and not an argumentative troll.

It's about features and platform. No one likely needs ALL of those features, but a subset of them. If you need some, many or most those features you can find an Android phone with what you need, or at least most of it. If you need ANY of them, the iPhone is not an option. That is all there is too it.


RE: Meh
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 11:24:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Try thinking as a consumer and not an argumentative troll. It's about features and platform. No one likely needs ALL of those features, but a subset of them. If you need some, many or most those features you can find an Android phone with what you need, or at least most of it


Yes, but then what you're buying is a specific device. A Samsung. You're not buying it because it's Android. You're buying from a selection of devices because of device-specific qualities which you are looking for.

It's not a platform advantage.

Lets ask you to think as a consumer. You go out and you buy a cheap Android feature phone. You are now part of the Android platform. Do you benefit any more than an iPhone user from a Samsung phone having an SD card slot? Do you benefit from the high DPI or NFC in a Galaxy S4? No, you don't. Which is why it's not a platform benefit.

You only benefit from any of the features you described if you buy a specific device with those features. In which case, it's that specific device which we should be comparing.

And the problem is - with each device there will be aspects which it falls down on, drawbacks, issues, weaknesses. You're taking all the positives of any Android phone and collating them into one big list, but you're not collating the draw-backs. Which is why it's unreasonable. You would find it unreasonable if I held the fact that the S4 Mini is an awful phone against Android, because you would argue that I don't have to buy it. Yet that exact argument is saying that you wont get all of the advantages OR disadvantages of Android if you simply buy a device (which is what buying into Android is, to the consumer). That's why your lists are misleading.

Remember, everyone who buys an iPhone had exactly the same choice of every possible Android phone as any Android user. They all buy a specific device and at that point anything other devices do is irrelevant.

You have to argue with platform or device, you can't mix both to suit your argument.


RE: Meh
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/13/2013 11:10:30 AM , Rating: 2
Honestly, why do you keep feeding it?


RE: Meh
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 11:29:00 AM , Rating: 2
I know... I know. I keep forgetting who/what I am dealing with. I am done for now, thanks for the remind.


RE: Meh
By t_sandman on 8/13/2013 3:25:55 PM , Rating: 2
Ah man, I was enjoying the back and forth. Retro, I have to admit you sometimes confuse me with the way you think. Sometimes I get the impression you are impartial and you "call a terd a terd" when you see it. Then sometimes I think you argue against Tester and Tony just because you don't want to concede the fact that they may have good points.

Features are only features if they are useful, otherwise they are gimmicks. Only an individual user can determine if a feature is useful to them.

Not that any of you care about my opinion but I think tester articulated the arguments a bit better.

Android is a platform, but not all phone manufacturers implement the features of the platform consistently. So trying to compare Android to iOS becomes a difficult task because one Android phone could have different features from the next, where as all iOS iPhones are identical (same model).

When making arguments using generic examples and trying to use a sample set that consists of 'people I know', then that proves nothing and only amplifies a bias.

Different people buy different products for various reasons. I would advise trying to group millions of people into the same category (icults, non-techs, iSheep, etc). Do these apply, yes, in large quantities to make it that all Apple owners fit this description, probably not.


RE: Meh
By t_sandman on 8/13/2013 3:28:08 PM , Rating: 2
Typo:

"I would advise trying NOT to group millions of people into the same category (icults, non-techs, iSheep, etc)."


RE: Meh
By cpeter38 on 8/12/2013 11:45:20 AM , Rating: 2
BINGO!


RE: Meh
By Da W on 8/12/2013 10:13:28 AM , Rating: 2
It's a goddamn PHONE! Can we stop the pissing contest?


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