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iPhone 1.1.1 prepped for 1.1.2 jailbreak  (Source: TUAW)
Apple's latest effort to thwart iPhone and iPod touch hacking futile

When Apple announced the release of the iPhone for the UK, it also announced that iPhone and iPod touch firmware version 1.1.2 would be released at the same time. Released today, firmware 1.1.2 closes the TIFF vulnerability in mobile Safari that was used to jailbreak firmware 1.1.1.

Confirmed by DailyTech, the TIFF vulnerability no longer works. However, despite Apple's effort to lockdown the iPhone and iPod touch, firmware 1.1.2 has already been jailbroken.

Credit go to the people behind AppSnap, the same utility used to jailbreak 1.1.1 devices. According to TUAW, testing of the new jailbreak began several nights ago, when the new 1.1.2 firmware was made available for download not through iTunes, but through Apple's website.

In its current stage, the new jailbreak requires several steps in order to complete, and is by no means release ready and user friendly. AppSnap and jailbreakme.com still remains open for 1.1.1 only, but the new jailbreak is being prepared for the same single tap installation.

According to TUAW's report, firmware 1.1.1 is required in order for the jailbreak to work with 1.1.2, although it is unclear at this point whether or not this will still be a requirement once AppSnap is officially updated.

Those with hacked 1.1.1 devices may wish to hold off from upgrading to 1.1.2 since it does not appear to provide any significant upgrade. The only noticeable change is the inclusion of several international language packs.

Jailbreaking may become a thing of the past if Apple keeps its promise. Apple announced in early October that come February 2008, developers will have an official iPhone SDK. The announcement was well received by the developer community. Currently, third-party applications for the iPhone are done via web applications and are mostly cumbersome to use and slow in nature.


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What?
By OblivionMage on 11/9/2007 6:05:26 PM , Rating: 5
Apple, I thought your products and programs "Just worked?". When you release something that people have a real reason to hack, they do it extremely well (IE. iphone firmwire). Yet you rant on about how you can make something that people cannot hack/exploit, or in the case of the Macintosh computer, cannot make 'virus's' for, even when there is no reason for people, or not enough of a reason, to try.

Cheers, OblivionMage@gmail.com




RE: What?
By ImSpartacus on 11/9/2007 6:25:55 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. Apple finally got something popular and hack-worthy.

Yet this is still surprising that something like the iPhone is continually broken. I honestly hope Apple patches it up better.


RE: What?
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/9/2007 6:53:39 PM , Rating: 5
Not surprising at all. How long did Apple expect that Security through Obscurity bullshit to last? Welcome to the big leagues, I suggest soap on a rope.


RE: What?
By Talcite on 11/9/2007 6:58:53 PM , Rating: 2
LOL!


RE: What?
By Quiescent on 11/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: What?
By Locutus465 on 11/12/07, Rating: -1
RE: What?
By Locutus465 on 11/12/07, Rating: -1
RE: What?
By bigboxes on 11/10/2007 2:55:28 AM , Rating: 3
F'in A man. F'in A! It's not about the technology. It has everything to do with the amount of peeps using that tech. Live it. Learn it Apple.


RE: What?
By Ralph The Magician on 11/11/07, Rating: 0
RE: What?
By theapparition on 11/11/2007 6:38:32 PM , Rating: 2
What kind of stupid argument is that?

By your same reasoning, there should be at least as many viruses for Vista as there are for XP. Clearly, the amount of time that a system has been on the market has some bearing on the amount of viable malware attacks, don't you agree?


RE: What?
By Ralph The Magician on 11/11/2007 7:48:18 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
By your same reasoning, there should be at least as many viruses for Vista as there are for XP.

Exactly! But Vista doesn't have as much malware as XP, because Vista is more secure.

The point is that OS X can't be secure because of security through obscurity. OS 9 had a lot of problems, and yet OS X has had virtually zero, despite the fact that the Mac userbase is bigger today than it ever was before. OS 9 was not secure because of security through obscurity—and neither is OS X.


RE: What?
By HighWing on 11/13/2007 12:57:08 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Mac userbase is bigger today than it ever was before.


that may be true, but it's still a fraction of what windows users are.

If you deny the claim of security through obscurity then I have just one question for you. If you were a virus/malware writer looking to profit from it, which platform would you write a virus for? The system that has less then 10% of users or the one that has the other 90%? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out


RE: What?
By Locutus465 on 11/12/2007 12:18:34 AM , Rating: 2
Except for the fact that Mac Classic OS has absolutly nothing at all in common with OSX... Not even the same execution engine... Vista and XP share the same execution engine (32b Vista maps to XP 32 and 64B vista maps to 64B XP)... Where vista try's to fool malware authors is by changing the underlying libraries and making them more secure... But the core architecture is the same...


RE: What?
By BioRebel on 11/10/2007 10:03:19 AM , Rating: 2
Greatest post ever


RE: What?
By Funksultan on 11/12/2007 7:24:14 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
How long did Apple expect that Security through Obscurity bullshit to last? Welcome to the big leagues, I suggest soap on a rope.


ROFLMAO! Ok, now THAT'S a quote worthy of being in the DT footnote...

Give yerself a 6 Kenobi, you earned it on that one.


Didn't some...
By sj420 on 11/9/2007 6:38:58 PM , Rating: 4
Didn't some other big name company try to release firmwares that prevented hacking of the firmware, instead of releasing actual features and options recommended by the community so they DON'T have a reason to hack it?

Oh yeah! Sony and the PSP!

You certainly don't go to Sony to use your PSP to its full potential. I would expect the same from Apple and any other company.

That is where the community always comes in. Its called modding, modders are what drive the community to push a technology to its limits and further. This provides progress. Without the modding community games like oblivion and stalker would be simply desktop trash - Don't even get me started on those games released for consoles.

The point is, if you release something with "limits" or "rules" someone out there is bound to think "Well they must of made these rules for a reason, lets break them and find out what happens". There will always be that person, thats where the phrase "you can not make something idiot proof" comes from. Some idiot, whether on purpose or on accident, will figure something out that the original manufacturer didn't intend the product to be used for.

However in no way do I support companies that go out of their way to limit their products capabilities or limit the market of their own individual choices. Its like a PC company today that would limit their OS options to Windows 3.1 floppy and the internet options to AOL. Preventing, by hardware limits, other options from being added or chosen. So what do you think someone will do? Go out of their way to hack it and figure out if they can use OTHER things.

If your hardware is capable of something you should be trying to push it to always meet that capability. Then push its abilities in revisions. Companies that don't do this are functioning by bad business practice.

No one that knows me has EVER heard me say anything good about a mac, let alone anything apple composts, thats for sure.

Even though I hate everything related to it, I will root for the hackers, just like with the psp.

The community will always be justified against these money-hungry companies.




RE: Didn't some...
By hiscross on 11/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Didn't some...
By Gibby82 on 11/9/2007 9:46:13 PM , Rating: 4
Um...did you read the article(s)? Dailytech's specifically states that the developers working on a 1.1.2 jailbreak and have succeeded but it's not ready for release. They also stated that the patch kills the current jailbreak-which is what the article you linked stated.


RE: Didn't some...
By hiscross on 11/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: Didn't some...
By clovell on 11/10/07, Rating: 0
RE: Didn't some...
By chick0n on 11/11/07, Rating: -1
RE: Didn't some...
By Tuan Nguyen on 11/9/2007 10:39:10 PM , Rating: 2
Uh:

quote:
According to TUAW's report, firmware 1.1.1 is required in order for the jailbreak to work with 1.1.2, although it is unclear at this point whether or not this will still be a requirement once AppSnap is officially updated.


?


RE: Didn't some...
By Darth Farter on 11/10/2007 4:47:58 AM , Rating: 2
both iphone and ipod touch 1.1.2 are already jailbroken, since early friday.
forums are full of it.. http://www.ipodtouchfans.com

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/09/apple-posts-ipo...

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/11/09/1-1-2-ipod-touch-ja...

dailytech is spot on of course...


RE: Didn't some...
By cheetah2k on 11/12/2007 3:10:26 AM , Rating: 2
Jailbroken yes, but they have not released a "dummies installer package" to jailbreaking 1.1.2 yet. It's still not crystal clear how to get those phones coming back from 1.1.2 to 1.1.1, out of DFU mode after error code 1015 on a Windows PC.

Anyways, after I bought a 1.1.2 phone yesterday, I simply restored it to 1.0.2, jailbreak'd it, and unlocked using anySIM 1.2. Easy as pie, and no need to even look at 1.1.2 just yet - so easy i'm laughing!

I'll wait until its as easy as jailbreakme.com before attempting 1.1.2 again.

My 2 cents


RE: Didn't some...
By Hare on 11/10/2007 4:23:01 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. Luckily Apple will release an SDK and open up the platform. Let's see how that goes.


RE: Didn't some...
By mmntech on 11/10/2007 10:22:59 AM , Rating: 3
Ironically, the PS3 can run Linux and Sony fully endorses it. I honestly don't see the point of hardware companies doing this. Rather than working with modders they fight them every step of the way in a never ending battle. People running third party software or tweaking the system does not really help or hurt their bottom line yet they spend millions fighting it. Of course Apple's motivation is their exclusive deals with AT&T, etc. That was a bad decision on Apple's part since they'd more than recoup that money making the iPhone an open platform (able to run on any GSM network), thus opening up a massive market, up to 2 billion possible users.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM

Oh, about the comment on this never being on PCs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing


"Our Product Just Work"
By iFX on 11/9/2007 6:43:09 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently not.




RE: "Our Product Just Work"
By Nik00117 on 11/9/2007 7:53:58 PM , Rating: 4
The best example I have for why poeple didn't hack macs is this.

You got two stacks of money sitting on the table. One is 100 billion USD (microsoft) the other one is 100 million USD (apple)

Now you take either stack and not get caught. However if you take two it costs more then its worth to the take the second one plus you get caught. Which one do yu take? IDK about yall but miscroft would be my chocie.

Software by its very nature is moddable therefore crackable therefore hackable. Only way to prevent this is VIA hardware and even then its hackable since hardware can be modded.

Apple should just worry about imprving the iphone and not about this "Iphone needs to be kept safe from hackers type BS"


RE: "Our Product Just Work"
By cheetah2k on 11/12/2007 3:16:19 AM , Rating: 2
Apple just seem to update the iphone as quickly as they update iTunes in order to counter-attack modders in both sync'ing software and phone firmware.

This is, i'm very sure, very frustrating for the iPhone Dev team.

However, and thankfully, we are not forced to upgrade either yet, unless we want the latest and greatest, or a few extra minor updates on the phone.

To be honest, theres nothing wrong with iTunes 7.4.3 or firmware 1.0.2, althought 1.0.2 with A2DP would be sweet..


Welcome to the mainstream
By MonkeyPaw on 11/9/2007 6:02:19 PM , Rating: 3
It appears Apple is no more successful at protecting intellectual property than anyone else. Once a product is popular enough, it's pretty much open season.




RE: Welcome to the mainstream
By Gnoad on 11/9/2007 6:42:15 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. Companies should all just realize that it doesn't matter what you do to try to stop hacking, someone will ALWAYS find a way.


lmao
By Etern205 on 11/9/2007 6:18:15 PM , Rating: 2
First this.
What's next?

You see people already selling the
next "out of this world" apple product
days before Steve makes the big announcement.




RE: lmao
By Quiescent on 11/9/2007 6:36:50 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't that already happen with the iPhone? I don't have proof to back this up, perhaps someone else does. But I think it was dailytech alone that I found this out anyways.

There is already better products out there already making something like the iPhone look like crap: See here: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/06/27/how-to-buy-neo19... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo1973


Apple is a Douchebag
By SiliconAddict on 11/10/2007 12:50:43 AM , Rating: 2
The only company who is a bigger asshat is sony.




Somebody at Apple....
By wingless on 11/11/2007 3:29:42 PM , Rating: 2
Somebody at Apple still believes in the free thinking way the company was once founded on. One of their employees must have leaked the firmware early. Steve has becoming another Bill and its hurting that company.




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