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Mac users are now at risky of getting a nasty virus.  (Source: Listmania)

If it you approve, you are a sad noob, and your Mac is infected.  (Source: Intego)
Mac: Hi PC, I'm not feeling so hot today... PC: Oh, I know ALL about that. I think you have a virus!

Security experts by and large agree that security via obscurity is not a wise model for protecting customers over the long term.  That's exactly the model Apple has employed successfully for some time now.  However, its luck finally appears to be running short.

Hot on the heels of a newly discovered iOS exploit that allows access to locked iPhones, new reports [1] [2] from security research firms 
SecureFirm and Intego reveals that a new trojan is targeting Mac users using a vulnerability in OS X's Java player.

According to the 
Intego report the new malware, trojan.osx.boonana.a, is really a reworked version of the Koobface malware, which has attacked Windows in the past.  The malware acts as a worm when it spreads and as a trojan when it is infecting your computer.

Users may encounter the worm via links posted on Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, and other websites.  When clicking the link, the applet attempts to run.  Users can stop the infection before it starts by denying the applet permission to run when OS X's Java player pops up a dialogue.

If they allow the applet to run, they may get another warning if they have a Mac antispyware program like VirusBarrier X6’s Anti-Spyware installed.  If they don't get the warning, or choose to disregard it, the applet will attempt to make a connection with a remote server and installs a rootkit, backdoor, command and control, and other elements.  These files are copied to an invisible folder -- .jnana -- in the user's home directory.

If the virus is allowed to carry out its infection process, the unsuspecting Mac user may find themselves part of a botnet.  When they log on social networks, the virus will post links to spread the infection.  It may also send spam e-mail via their logged-in accounts

Other variants of this virus target Windows and Linux, making it a rare true cross-platform virus.  All these viruses share the fact that they use the Java player as a route of attack.  According to 
Intego, other OS X-specific versions of the virus have shown up, but most are broken or try to connect to offline servers.

The malware could become potentially more dangerous in the future if it is able to eliminate the warnings from the Java player and/or change the name/location of the infection directory, making it hard for virus removal software to find it.

While it does not appear that this virus takes advantage of any unique flaws in Apple's version of Java, some security experts say that Apple's Java player may have more vulnerabilities than Window's.  That's because Apple makes its own Java player, which according to an e-mailreportedly attributed to Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs, is always a version behind the official Linux/Windows builds from Sun and Oracle.

Apple is reportedly considering ditching its Java player in future versions of OS X, such as OS X 10.7 "Lion".  Similarly it's considering rejecting Flash, another multimedia web technology.  Ultimately these efforts may eliminate some routes of attack, but now that Apple is being targeted it must realize -- there is 
always a back door.

 



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HAH!
By Luticus on 10/28/2010 8:19:39 AM , Rating: 5
AHHHH!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Sorry... Just had to get that out of my system... i'm ok now, really...




RE: HAH!
By billshut on 10/28/2010 8:51:48 AM , Rating: 5
I know....I was wondering if it would be right to just laugh uncontrollably, until I get the hiccups?? ;)

Soon to be seen on FB:
quote:
"My Apple product makes me morally superior to everyone who doesn't have one. Press 'like' to be inadvertently infected with a virus that you're just too cool to be bothered with."


RE: HAH!
By vol7ron on 11/1/2010 12:43:46 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know why people are making fun of this. Regardless of machine, we should be against viruses - I primarily use PCs just to put it out there.

Apple has always had viruses. They've just had better marketing to make people think they didn't. It's like that smoker that makes people think they just have a "cold" or "cough". It's all marketing.


RE: HAH!
By JKflipflop98 on 11/6/2010 8:52:30 PM , Rating: 2
. . . and now you see why this is so funny. Imagine the face of that indignant mac user as he stutters "B b b b but Steve said it can't get a virus. . ."

This is good news for Apple. Their users are so braindead they'll probably throw the infected PC in the trash and buy a new one.


RE: HAH!
By SkullOne on 10/28/2010 8:54:24 AM , Rating: 5
*does the happy dance*

We've been saying it was only a matter of time and marketshare for a long time. I guess the magic number was 10%.

Maybe now the iSheep will finally shut up.


RE: HAH!
By Luticus on 10/28/2010 9:00:10 AM , Rating: 5
I am noticing an interesting lack of them so far on a forum... i thought for sure the first post would be some mac person yelling about how the user would have to be a complete moron to be infected by this, guess even they realize that apple markets its product with the idea that their fans are indeed complete morons... Otherwise they wouldn't have to rely on lies and fabrications to sell their products. I guess the major flaw with using lies in your marketing strategy is that eventually the truth comes out.


RE: HAH!
By Mitch101 on 10/28/2010 10:03:37 AM , Rating: 2
Mac users warned of growing virus threat
http://news.techworld.com/security/3245158/mac-use...

There are now 5,000 ‘strains’ of malware that target the Mac and the company says it is seeing 500 new Mac-specific samples appearing every month.

“We would even say that today, the Windows operating system is more secure than Mac , simply because Microsoft has been working proactively on security for many years,” he added.


RE: HAH!
By inighthawki on 10/28/2010 10:19:27 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
We would even say that today, the Windows operating system is more secure than Mac

Today? I think that time has long passed.


RE: HAH!
By Tony Swash on 10/28/10, Rating: -1
RE: HAH!
By inighthawki on 10/28/2010 10:43:53 AM , Rating: 5
lol, what naive thinking to assume

"I haven't seen an infection, therefore there are none"

and

"Windows has many infections, therefore is far more insecure"

Windows is a very secure platform, believe it or not, and as long as it is run without its security disabled (running as admin) and the person behind the wheel is not retarded, you likely will not get infected. The only time I've ever been infected was when I was messing with some very iffy files, and I knew the risks of what I was doing. Didn't have an AV installed as a security net so I took my chances.

I love how pathetic MAC users are to believe they are invulnerable and better than other OSs simply because nobody cares about them...

Shameful.


RE: HAH!
By Tony Swash on 10/28/10, Rating: -1
RE: HAH!
By inighthawki on 10/28/2010 10:53:53 AM , Rating: 5
I noticed how you are still abiding by my first point. It so happens I know very few people with Macs, coupled with the few viruses that exist due to the low marketshare, of course it will be hard to find a report. But to say "I can't find one, therefore it doesn't exist" is some of the most flawed logic I have ever seen.


RE: HAH!
By Pirks on 10/28/10, Rating: -1
RE: HAH!
By borismkv on 11/1/2010 12:47:06 PM , Rating: 2
So he doesn't know any unemployed Art Majors (That's redundant, though, isn't it). What's wrong with that?


RE: HAH!
By freeman70 on 10/28/2010 11:24:37 AM , Rating: 5
Since the average Mac user doesn't have the variety of tools to detect and remove viruses like Windows, a lot of Mac users could be unaware their machines are already infected. Given the fact that a significant number of users of any OS aren't clued in about maintenance and security, I guarantee users of OS X will face more and more security threats. This is one of the reasons why Apple wants an app store for Macs. Another stolen idea from Linux (Ubuntu Software center, synaptic and the like). If you control what can be installed through one app manager, you eliminate a lot security threats because each app is verified and maintained by the repository.


RE: HAH!
By inighthawki on 10/28/2010 11:29:43 AM , Rating: 2
Sadly though such an app store won't work well on all platforms, at least not on its own. An app store works really well for something like a phone, but a desktop/laptop computer is designed to take advantage of everything, and attempt to give the user the most control. Limiting the user to what apps they can run runs the risk of a LOT of people being mad. I suppose it might work on the MAC since most MAC users use a total of 5 products which are all from big names, but Windows and Linux have far too many small little third party apps which provide quite a lot of functionality.


RE: HAH!
By jimbojimbo on 10/28/2010 3:57:23 PM , Rating: 2
Have you ever used Linux before? It's already in place! And the purpose isn't to limit you to what's available in these repositories, it's to let you know that these have been reviewed.


RE: HAH!
By inighthawki on 10/28/2010 6:22:41 PM , Rating: 2
no no, you misunderstood. I meant an app store but no alternative to download and install apps that aren't listed there. I'm not saying an app store is a bad idea.


RE: HAH!
By Tony Swash on 10/28/10, Rating: -1
RE: HAH!
By chripuck on 10/28/2010 11:59:59 AM , Rating: 5
My aunt's two year old MBP was infected a few months ago, with what I don't know.

Worldwide PC shipments exceeded 220 MILLION PC's in 2009, of which Apple captured 3.6% Of course you've heard of far more Windows infections than you have Macs. I can count on both hands the number of people I know who have Mac's and half of them are former Windows users and hate them.

I'm not writing this to say that "Windows is awesome and Macs suck!" It's a personal choice and both platforms have their benefits. But you're woefully ignorant if you believe that OSX is so incredibley secure compared to a Windows machine that's been dealing with major security threats for the better part of two decades.


RE: HAH!
By Gio6518 on 10/31/2010 4:31:11 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
My aunt's two year old MBP was infected a few months ago, with what I don't know.


a friend of mines' mother, gave me her Mac about a year ago, she just bought it at the mac store. After going through it, i told her she had a virus. Since she just bought it a month before her infection, we went back to the store. The sales person said its impossible Mac's don't get viruses. He took the computer in the back after about an hour, he comes out with a new mac, handed her a piece of paper, she had to sign it if she wanted her new Mac. She looked at it, my friend and i looked at it, what it said was she was unable to discuss the fact that she has contracted a virus, and can be sued for discussing it with anybody.


RE: HAH!
By B3an on 11/2/2010 1:50:58 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, really? I remember when Apple did that with there exploding iPods though. But can you imagine any other major company doing this and getting away with it? i cant.


RE: HAH!
By inighthawki on 10/28/2010 12:00:16 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Nobody has any evidence that that any mac has been infected with malware.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence

quote:
An argument is put forward that it's because of low market share and thus Macs are difficult to find and not knowing any Mac users so infections are hard to spot.

Because of the security software and the sheer number of Windows users, it's quite easy for them to know they have a virus. On the Mac, it is much harder, thus whatever small share of the market apple even has, relatively few may even know they are infected at all. There are more reasons than "it is obviously secure" that could explain the lack of numbers

quote:
The fact is that as long as you avoid evidence you can claim anything is true or not true. I prefer the real world and empirical evidence based reasoning, call me old fashioned.

You have yet to prove anything yourself, so far all you've asked is for us to find hard-to-find evidence, and suggesting that not providing any proves you are right.

quote:
There is no evidence of actual Mac infections.

Again I say, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

quote:
There is evidence of millions of Windows PCs being infected.

What caused these infections though? Was it a security hole or just some idiot stupid enough to install "the codec necessary to watch this porn movie"

quote:
End of story.

Far from it...


RE: HAH!
By Luticus on 10/28/2010 12:11:08 PM , Rating: 2
I'm in the process of finding a test machine now that i can infect to verify the virus and perhaps figure out how to remove/combat the thing.


RE: HAH!
By gamerk2 on 10/28/2010 12:25:36 PM , Rating: 5
quote:

There is no evidence of actual Mac infections.


False; there have been known Mac viruses, infections, and vunerabilites for decades, going back to the early 80's.

quote:

There is evidence of millions of Windows PCs being infected.


Having a larger amount of computers to infect will do that. A more accurate detail would be what percentage of PC's are infected compared to what percentage of Macs are infected. Much more even after that is taken into account.

quote:

End of story.


Not really; you're just reading the data in such a way to prove your own viewpoint.


RE: HAH!
By HrilL on 10/28/2010 2:04:10 PM , Rating: 5
Got to love these Mac morons.

First things first. Viruses are designed to hide themselves. Thus a normal user with no Anti-virus or scanning software will never know if they have a virus unless its one that actively gives them pop ups.

That being said you could probably have a virus and not even know. Since by the sound of it you seem to have all your trust in Jobs and company.

I know a few people with botnets that have 100s if not 1000s of Macs in their control now days. Using Safari exploits that have still yet to be fixed by apple.

Good viruses that are on a small number of machines don't get detected by the Anti-virus companies for a long time.

The fact that you are so naive and ignorant saddens even me.


RE: HAH!
By fsardis on 10/28/2010 6:21:21 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=13...

check this out. you are still willing to put your money on no infections on macs?
are you willing to bet that nobody has installed any of those apps from those reputable sites?

did i just hear your sand castle collapsing?


RE: HAH!
By Iaiken on 10/29/10, Rating: 0
RE: HAH!
By BailoutBenny on 10/29/2010 3:36:19 PM , Rating: 1
Evidence:
http://forums.techguy.org/apple-macos/661038-unkno...

Why aren't you plagiarizing?


RE: HAH!
By Reclaimer77 on 10/29/2010 11:06:57 PM , Rating: 2
Too easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLxQ5a95Q3I

There I found one. Trojan trying to install itself onto a Mac and was stopped by Virus Barrier. But since most Mac users are arrogant assholes such as yourself who don't use protection, there are potentially who-knows how many infected Mac's out there.

Think lots of Mac users used Limewire? Yup, guess what...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-rLIRDJRuo&feature...

This one isn't an attempt like the last one, it's infected. PERIOD. 100%

So there, I found some "in the wild" that shatters your assinine assertion that "no Mac's" have ever been infected by viruses.

Do you know how idiotic you sound? Here's a list of 115 KNOWN OSx viruses, trojans, keyloggers and spyware from ONE anti virus company alone. I guess these are all just figments of our imaginations and none of these have EVER been found "in the wild"??

http://www.iantivirus.com/threats/

Seriously I think I speak for everyone here when I say, Tony, fuck off.


RE: HAH!
By BushStar on 10/30/2010 6:56:12 AM , Rating: 3
Surely Tony is a troll?

Anyway I have seen an infected Mac with my very own eyes, I had to disinfect it. The hole exploited was in Firefox which allowed a program to run which connected to a botnet. That was years ago. This article does not tell us anything new. When Apple starts to get a decent share of infections I will be interested.


RE: HAH!
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/31/2010 11:34:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Surely Tony is a troll?
A troll amongst other things.


RE: HAH!
By rudy on 10/28/2010 12:57:41 PM , Rating: 2
This is key and the same with windows. I know lots of people with Mac or Windows machines and I would say even linux that claim they do not have any viruses but run no antivirus. It is like saying I have no viruses in my body because I feel healthy.


RE: HAH!
By DJ Brandon on 10/28/2010 12:31:02 PM , Rating: 2
Are you that naive to think no macs have ever been infected?


RE: HAH!
By Luticus on 10/28/2010 11:10:13 AM , Rating: 4
Hah... nobody ever said that windows security was perfect, just that mac isn't all its hyped up to be.

quote:
hey have the cheek to point the finger at everyone else in order to take the focus off of the weaknesses in Windows and to take umbrage when someone points out the security short comings of their chosen OS.


It's not about taking focus off of windows flaws... every windows user knows that windows isn't perfect. We don't expect it to be. We understand that software is man made and can't be perfect. Windows "fans" make fun of and point the finger at mac a lot of times just because they like to see you smug pricks flounder... it's funny and brings them great joy. It's sort of like (hypothetically) when the boss's kid comes starts to work at the company and he treats everyone like crap, acts smug all the time, and gets away with it because he's the boss's kid and can't get fired, and then he gets hit by a buss and everyone gets this warm fuzzy feeling. Yea, it's just like that.


RE: HAH!
By Iaiken on 10/29/2010 2:50:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
he gets hit by a bus


Oh why can't the swashbuckler get hit by a bus, we've been waiting too long!


RE: HAH!
By cscpianoman on 10/28/2010 11:32:54 AM , Rating: 2
At this point, how does a mac person know their computer is infected? Seriously, this particular one puts you into a botnet. You might notice some slowdown of internet, but not necessarily. Viruses are written now not to be detected, they don't do dumb stuff like erase files or kill the system folder. Everyone is now in it for the money and since those who buy macs apparently have money they WILL be nailed. If a person is smart they'll at least have some form of AV on their computer. However, considering that Apple doesn't push the use of an AV, I really doubt it.


RE: HAH!
By chripuck on 10/28/2010 12:03:05 PM , Rating: 2
That really is the key. The few people I know who own Macs don't have any sort of security software installed. Outside of destroying your hard drive (which few Windows viruses/trojans do either) how does anybody know they're infected outside of utilizing a security suite of some sorts.


RE: HAH!
By fsardis on 10/28/2010 6:27:29 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/ibotnet-researc...

here it is. not by said trojan but a botnet client. i think that pretty much guarantees there are infected Macs in the wild. Many more than you think actually.
Who knows about them? Nobody, because Mac users have a false sense of security and never bother with security software. Even the firewall is off by default. Watch out Tony, you could be infected.


RE: HAH!
By atlmann10 on 10/28/2010 6:58:14 PM , Rating: 3
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/04/evidence...

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/mac-platform/ar...

http://www.macforensicslab.com/ProductsAndServices...

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/...

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/ibotnet-researc...

More recently, a new Trojan has been seen on BitTorrent file-sharing networks attached to pirated versions of Mac software like iWork and Adobe Photoshop CS4. As reported by Ars Technica. This Trojan, known as the iServices Trojan, joined targeted Macs into a botnet - meaning that many compromised machines can be controlled remotely in order to carry out malicious actions as a group. Sometimes they're used to execute distributed denial of service attacks against Web sites by overwhelming the targeted site's Web server with constant requests for attention. Other times botnets are used to convey large volumes of email spam. It's not known exactly how many Macs were assembled into this botnet, though Intego, a company that sells security software for the Mac said that some 20,000 people had downloaded infected versions of iWork and Photoshop in January. Some interesting technical details about it, from someone whose machine was part of the botnet can be found here.


RE: HAH!
By FredEx on 10/29/2010 6:38:29 AM , Rating: 1
There have been a sh** load. Leap A is considered the first. The funny thing about it is a Mac Users Group was first hit by it.

Google Leap A and learn something.


RE: HAH!
By Gio6518 on 10/31/2010 4:34:48 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I just love Windows fans. They run an OS - out of choice - that is so insecure that it has spawned and continues to nourish a vast world wide industry making malware and they have the cheek to point the finger at everyone else in order to take the focus off of the weaknesses in Windows and to take umbrage when someone points out the security short comings of their chosen OS.


I've never had a virus with any of my PC's so there must not be any viruses for the PC.


RE: HAH!
By DJ Brandon on 10/28/2010 12:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
LOL!!


RE: HAH!
By jezzza234 on 10/29/2010 4:00:44 PM , Rating: 3
Because a virus affecting a Mac has been found? There have been many, hence a market for virus checkers (albeit a very small market) for the Mac.

This is not really news at all. The only reason there's anything about it is because its so rare. All systems can be affected by viruses if anybody bothers to write one for it, and obviously most are written for Windows since its the largest. Nobody should be under any illusions about security as all are just as vulnerable, it just takes somebody to make the effort.

This virus even affects Linux!


Hold on....
By JackBurton on 10/28/2010 8:49:48 AM , Rating: 2
Does this trojan need root access to install? If so, I don't see the problem here. Just deny access and you're fine. NO ONE should be running as root, just like NO ONE should be running as an admin on a Windows machine.




RE: Hold on....
By SkullOne on 10/28/2010 8:55:53 AM , Rating: 4
That's the million dollar problem to which there is no fix. They will run it and give it admin access if it asks because people are too stupid NOT to do it.

Social engineering at its best.


RE: Hold on....
By Luticus on 10/28/2010 9:03:18 AM , Rating: 5
Most Mac users I know operate under the assumption that they CAN'T get viruses, and therefore when they get the "do you want to run this" box they'll be lulled into a false sense of security and just say yes.

Sad really.

It is, however, the same reason UAC isn't as effective as it could be.


RE: Hold on....
By Flunk on 10/28/2010 10:35:12 AM , Rating: 2
Because idiots turn it off?

In all seriousness you're exactly right.


RE: Hold on....
By bitterman0 on 10/28/2010 1:21:28 PM , Rating: 5
Look, no matter how many prompts to confirm doing something you have to click through, if you are bent on not thinking what you are doing, they are not going to stop you.

Most "home users" don't really care to learn why their computer wants them to click this or that. They just automatically click "OK", or "Yes", or whatever to make the thing go away. Why? Because they were numbed by all those "legitimate" warnings they have experienced before and learned early that a "Cancel" or "No" click will do them no good in getting what they wanted.


RE: Hold on....
By lolmuly on 10/29/2010 4:53:47 PM , Rating: 2
I personally like getting more prompts, makes me feel like I have more control.

I use online armor free firewall set up to be super paranoid, and spybot tea-timer to watch for registry changes...

asks me when global hooks are set,
asks me when something tries to access the key log,
asks me when a registry change happens,
asks me when something wants to set itself to autorun,
asks me when a process tries to start,
asks me when one process tries to start another,
asks me when something tries to upload/download,

The power it gives me is wonderful ^^


RE: Hold on....
By omnicronx on 10/28/2010 9:13:34 AM , Rating: 2
Its a Java bug, so I would assume yes. Although I think it occurred without the users knowledge before apple released a security patch, now it will pop up a warning showing you there is an unauthorized applet trying to run.

With OSX you are almost always running as root, but just like nix, you have to enter your password for most things that alter anything at the system level.


RE: Hold on....
By bitterman0 on 10/28/2010 1:07:58 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I think it occurred without the users knowledge before apple released a security patch, now it will pop up a warning showing you there is an unauthorized applet trying to run

In my experience, the JVM running in a browser would always pop up a warning if a Java Applet requests permissions to access local resources (such as the filesystem). This happens regardless of the Applet being signed with a valid security certificate. It was like that since the inception of Applet business, actually. Unless Apple made a mistake in their version of JVM, I would assume the warning was there, users simply clicked through it without reading or taking a moment to contemplate the reason why a Java Applet wants to access local resources (which may present itself as legitimate, by the way, since the application is called "Photo Album").

quote:
With OSX you are almost always running as root, but just like nix, you have to enter your password for most things that alter anything at the system level.

Can't vouch for OS X, really, but I believe what you are thinking about is a mechanism called sudo. A really neat utility, if you ask me, and while it behaves somewhat similar to UAC from the end-user viewpoint, it is fundamentally different because unlike UAC the user is not really root. Furthermore, sudo can grant very specific permissions to very specific users, so the privilege elevation process does not have to end up at the root level every time.

Personally, from the systems administrator standpoint, I prefer su to sudo. Although, while having some overlap in their functionality, those are two very different privilege elevation mechanisms.


RE: Hold on....
By Flunk on 10/28/2010 10:17:07 AM , Rating: 2
No, it doesn't require root access.


RE: Hold on....
By AstroGuardian on 10/28/2010 10:32:36 AM , Rating: 2
What? Are you out of your mind? NO ONE should be running as an admin on a Windows Machine? How come? Is it possible? Even for admins?


RE: Hold on....
By gstrickler on 10/31/2010 6:50:31 PM , Rating: 2
Yes. To get infected by this trojan, the user must:
1. Click "allow" to allow the applet to run (despite the warning that the certificate is invalid)
2. Click "allow" to allow the the applet to run the installer
3. Enter the name and password of an administrator so it can actually install.

This is true, even if the current user is an administrator. Even after all of that, the trojan is fails to install on some systems because it's poorly written. And, of course, if the user has additional anti-malware software installed, they'll get even more warnings.

Therefore, this is just a standard trojan, it does not contain a privilege elevation exploit or otherwise bypass any security settings.

Securemac.com has admitted as much, but since they're more interested in using scare tactics to sell their software than in proving useful information, they've buried the info about it requiring the user to deliberately give it administrator access near the bottom of another document elsewhere on their web site.

On the opposite end, Intego has been honest about this from the beginning, classifying it as low risk. It's low risk because it isn't a "drive-by", remote, or other type of passive infection, it requires deliberate actions by the user including entering an administrator password for the trojan to do it's dirty work.

http://blog.intego.com/2010/10/29/more-information...

Given the above, I would encourage Mac users to avoid securemac and use Intego or ClamAV for additional anti-malware protection.


Epic
By heartlessdeath on 10/28/2010 8:33:26 AM , Rating: 5
This is great considering all th mactards that say "Macs don't get viruses, only windows does." uh... WRONG. anything and everything can be hacked. You can hack a calculator if you wanted to.




RE: Epic
By MrTeal on 10/28/2010 9:50:25 AM , Rating: 2
Especially if you consider writing 80085 on the screen a hack.


RE: Epic
By heartlessdeath on 10/28/2010 11:02:34 AM , Rating: 2
you can make X+X=80085 regardless what X is.


RE: Epic
By heartlessdeath on 10/28/2010 11:09:09 AM , Rating: 2
This is one of the reasons why people exploit computers any way. No other goal than just because they can. Also so they can go on IRC and be able to say, "i r haxor!!1!". Mac is not safe from this as more computer savi people own macs and deside that for the fun of things, they want to make a virus for it.


RE: Epic
By testerguy on 10/28/2010 11:53:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
you can make X+X=80085 regardless what X is.


Huh? :s


<quote>there is always a back door</quote
By amanojaku on 10/28/2010 9:13:57 AM , Rating: 3
Apple is quite familiar with this already. It's the preferred method of entry to consumers' wallets. Just ignore that burning sensation.




RE: <quote>there is always a back door</quote
By Luticus on 10/28/2010 9:57:30 AM , Rating: 2
Speaking of burning sensations...

To everyone out there who paid for a mac: that burning sensation you feel in your anus right now... don't worry about it, it's just Jobs pulling out and putting on a condom so he can finish up... ya know, he doesn't want to get infected and all.

:-)

Oh man, this is too much fun.


By bporada on 11/2/2010 6:11:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
by Luticus on October 28, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Speaking of burning sensations...

To everyone out there who paid for a mac: that burning sensation you feel in your anus right now... don't worry about it, it's just Jobs pulling out and putting on a condom so he can finish up... ya know, he doesn't want to get infected and all.

:-)

Oh man, this is too much fun.


I could see how you could try and use this joke if windows wasn't affected by viruses, but c'mon man. I guess you don't care that Ballmer and Gates gave you AIDS and cancer?


its not a mac problem
By tastyratz on 10/28/2010 8:35:33 AM , Rating: 5
Your just Facebooking wrong.




Facebook Piracy
By Belard on 10/28/2010 8:43:28 AM , Rating: 5
I thought Facebook was a worm anyway...




observation
By nowhereman95 on 10/29/2010 12:15:22 PM , Rating: 2
Just an observation, but for such a small and worthless community of users running a candy-coated OS with a picayune marketshare, the Mac seems to stir not an inconsiderable amount of feeling here, as witnessed by the number of comments. Rather like an elephant being hot and bothered by an insect. Seems rather bizarre that all of this outpouring is devoted to a virus/trojan, whatever that infects a system that was declared dead over a decade ago.

Honestly, why does anyone on this site even care?

As for the malware and viruses, many of these are being developed by the same people who work for security firms that sell the AV software (white hat by day, black hat by night - no points for guessing which hat garners the most money). That software (mal or otherwise) is simply going to follow the money. If any platform proves to be a lucrative target, that is where the software is targeted. Given that no one really uses Macs (except the moronic according to more than one poster above), the likelihood that it was targeted per se seems remote; and that, as someone stated, this was a cross-platform trojan for which the Mac was collateral damage.




RE: observation
By Autisticgramma on 10/29/2010 3:01:04 PM , Rating: 2
Your absolutely dead on about the insect and the elephant, proof is in the user base. However like American politics, the marketing plan appears to be constant blaring repetition until we're beaten into complete submission or rejection.

Until the Mac sees enough market share to get its own blaster worm, the raging flame war will continue. So if you own a mac buy another and give your old one to your friend who always wanted one. Its the only to prove the windows geeks right. :) I will however be dumping my apple stock at the end of the year. Apple is approaching the peak in its perpetual cycle of: OMG we did this cool thing (if you disagree nerd, your a nerd), squeezing it until it dies, then crying for grampa steve to lead them to the new oasis of WTF. My only real wonder is what will happen when the other organs start to fail around the new liver. The name Ipad makes me wonder just how long grampa steve has.


Well
By Spivonious on 10/28/2010 8:32:12 AM , Rating: 3
"You're installing it wrong".




LIES!!!
By Sazabi19 on 10/28/2010 8:24:43 AM , Rating: 2
Apple is perfect in every way! This is not a real article... Oh it's been proven already?... It's a feature! They wanted to show us what happens to computers that run MS! Oh... MS usually fixes their stuff really quick?...There is a shiney apple on all my stuff though!




Not Nice
By Sazabi19 on 10/28/2010 8:32:08 AM , Rating: 2
It's not nice Mick to imply that the woman using the Mac in the photo is dirty :P", spreading viruses n' watnot hahah. Kinda funny but messed up.




Unique flaws
By magreen on 10/28/2010 9:13:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Users can stop the infection before it starts by denying the applet permission to run when OS X's Java player pops up a dialogue. . . If they allow the applet to run. . .

While it does not appear that this virus takes advantage of any unique flaws in Apple's version of Java...

It appears that this virus takes advantage of (semi-)unique flaws in Apple's user base.




You know some hackers...
By nafhan on 10/28/2010 9:36:39 AM , Rating: 2
...are out there thinking "Hmmm, we've got a large community of rich people who think their computers are virus proof." So, I wouldn't be too surprised if we start seeing this type of thing more often.




So it begins
By INeedCache on 10/28/2010 9:37:48 AM , Rating: 2
The house of cards that is Mac security is beginning its inevitable tumble.




Jobs fault
By AstroGuardian on 10/28/2010 10:46:41 AM , Rating: 2
Or maybe this worm is developed by jobs himself. He just might be thinking:

"There are zounds of rich douche bags. They have the money i have the appetite. When they see the message YOU HAVE VIRUS they will just buy another Mac from the nearest Apple shop. They are so stupid my plan is ought to succeed. I am the perfect criminal. MUHAHAHAHAA!!!! "




Burden of Proof
By rwpritchett on 10/28/2010 12:21:07 PM , Rating: 2
To Tony Swash-

Since you insist the Windows fanboys provide proof of an infected Mac to counter your arguments, I would like to flip that around and give you a chance to make your statement valid.

I'm curious, and offer the challenge, for you to find a single instance in which a Mac running Windows via bootcamp has become infected by a virus. If Windows is the security disaster you claim, it should be easy to find, right?




Priceless
By ipay on 10/28/2010 12:21:12 PM , Rating: 2
Wow. I thought that Macs didn't or couldn't get viruses. Where are the Apple fan-boys now? Hiding until this blows over. Well it won't. There will be more where this came from. Get AV or get attacked!!!

http://www.lieconomy.com/li/columnists/daveg/dave0...




iHahahahahaha
By undummy on 10/28/2010 2:52:05 PM , Rating: 2
Its not a virus or exploit, its a feature.

iVirus, % iExploits, for the iClueless.....




Gee, what a surprise....
By captainBOB on 10/28/2010 5:43:03 PM , Rating: 2
Not the fanciest trojan, it just hides as a hidden folder in the home folder? just entering defaults write com.apple.Finder AppleShowAllFiles YES in the terminal and search and destroy.

If a Mac user honestly thought that Macs could not get viruses, they deserve all the ridicule.

Good thing i have NOD for Macbook Pro.




lmao
By lolmuly on 10/29/2010 4:47:07 PM , Rating: 2
I was wondering about this, I have 6 friends that I keep getting the same [no subeject] emails from, they all run macs, I don't like any of them much though so i don't feel like telling them.

It's been happening for about 2 weeks now.




For the first time...
By NanoTube1 on 10/30/2010 2:16:40 PM , Rating: 2
...in many years I have installed AV software on a mac (hackintosh and before that a G5) and did a scan. I used macscan and clamx and scanned the entire thing. It took ages and it found nothing.
The only security I had before that was the built-in firewall.




Awwwww
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/31/2010 11:47:37 AM , Rating: 2
Where did Tony go? Did he get butt hurt and is crying now?




Man...
By DKantUno on 11/2/2010 1:19:49 PM , Rating: 2
I wish Apple fanboys didn't exist. That way Apple would (might?) ACTUALLY get credit for their truly outstanding work - at least from a sane majority, I hope - instead of the blind hatred that seems to reflect in most posts, in response to the blind affection some show towards the fruit people even when faced with genuine flaws.

A mournful toast to balance.




Downrating
By bporada on 11/2/2010 6:27:52 PM , Rating: 2
So is it just me or do the overwhelming number of pro-windowz people here just downrate all of the pro-mac peoples comments? It just shows your growing insecurity of windows as apple gains more and more popularity. I like how there are some pro-windowz people getting downrated not because their defending the macs but showing the disconnect in logic in the pro-windowz peoples arguments. But whatever; go ahead and downrate me because you're such a child....




More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By Tony Swash on 10/28/10, Rating: -1
By Denigrate on 10/28/2010 10:12:26 AM , Rating: 4
Wow you really are a mactard. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't mean the reality will go away.


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By SkullOne on 10/28/2010 10:13:22 AM , Rating: 3
I love how the iSheep spin it already. Attack vector across all platforms or it's technology being dumped because it's crap.

My favorite right now is it's a worthless virus because it requires user interaction. If that's the case then most of the malware infecting Windows right now is worthless because most of it is moving towards some form of social engineering in order to get users to bypass security measures like UAC.

Honestly Tony you need to take a deep sniff of the shit your shoveling so that you pass out. This is only the beginning. Windows users don't want Macs exploited and trashed. We don't care if you want to use a Mac. We just want people like you to shut your damn mouth, drop the "holier then thou" attitude and stop trying to convince the world that your exploit free (when that's far from the truth) because Steve Jobs says so.


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By Tony Swash on 10/28/10, Rating: -1
By inighthawki on 10/28/2010 10:24:48 AM , Rating: 3
Considering there are images showing of attempts at infection, you cannot honestly believe there is not a SINGLE PERSON dumb enough to hit OK, or even by accident? We don't need a specific example to assume something like this to have occurred already. Rule of thumb, if there is a virus/trojan/etc of any kind, at least one person is dumb enough to fall for its trap.This holds true on any platform, not just OSX.


By inighthawki on 10/28/2010 6:27:52 PM , Rating: 3
I take it you're not very skilled in logic then? No offense but when someone says "I have yet to see an infection, therefore there isn't one", a statement such as "absence of proof is not proof of absence" is a completely valid counter-argument, and is 100% true. I do not have to provide (or take the time/waste my time to find) a direct counter-example, when I can just show the flaw in his logic. I'll wait till he makes a single valid point before I have to give an actually counter-example.


By littlebitstrouds on 10/29/2010 2:53:45 PM , Rating: 1
What confuses me, is if you're so sure of your own arguments, why not take the short time to destroy the very premise and give the counter-example? Seems like an easy task isn't it?


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By Luticus on 10/28/2010 10:24:43 AM , Rating: 2
Funny, if this where the other way around and it were a windows article you'd pipe up in a heartbeat, just like you did on the botnet article earlier...

Point by point:

quote:
Its a Java exploit that is theoretically cross platform.
This does not take away from the fact that it's still a mac exploit.

quote:
there are no reports of any Mac or Mac user actually being compromised
Even if that were the case it doesn't matter, it's only a matter of time now. Do you seriously think a virus author is going to just "give up and go away"? No! They are going to continue to build the virus until it's effective, it's a constant war no matter what platform you happen to use. The fact that mac/apple devices can be jail broken is proof that they can be exploited. Something that can be exploited for good can also be exploited for evil.

quote:
security companies trying to frighten Mac users
Good, a false sense of security is a dumb way to live anyway. by the way, i could use a source for this.

quote:
in order to be theoretically comprised a Mac user would have to give permission
UAC on windows does exactally the same thing in a lot of cases. People are stupid and mac users are lulled into a false sense of security... Case n' point, your quote "Macs don't get exploited." Yes... yes they do, yes they can! Maybe not on the grand scale windows does (yet) but they get exploited. Just wait though, your time will come.

From your article:
quote:
A side note from Intego is that they claim the malware is 'broken' or downloads the wrong files
It might not be perfect yet but i'm sure it'll get there. "Downloads the wrong files" is a pretty easy fix. It's not like they have some huge security challenge!

And finally:
quote:
Apple is in the process of dumping Java and is well into the process of dumping Flash. Both are crap and both will not be missed.
I should be able to install whatever i want on my own computer. I will not be told what i can and can not install by jobs or anyone else. Doing away with java and flash is retarded and shouldn't be job's choice to make. If they don't want to put it on by default that's one thing but block me from installing it is insane!

That's apple for you: "OMG java has a hole that can let viruses in! I know, instead of working with oricle/sun and finding a fix we'll just be elitist douche bags and act like we're too good for them! Then we can continue not using resources too beef up security while at the same time still running with the false idea that our system is unhackable." If someone hacks iTunes are they going to kill that too?

Apple is a joke, and these days it just gets worse and worse...


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By Tony Swash on 10/28/10, Rating: -1
By inighthawki on 10/28/2010 10:52:05 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
It's Windows that is the security disaster and not Mac.

lol, are you basing that off of anything? Or do you simply mean to say that since Windows was at one point insecure that it is just as, and always will be, insecure?

Try reading up on the latest news.
http://lifehacker.com/5518787/famous-hacker-calls-... / http://www.neowin.net/news/hacker-says-windows-is-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/hack-windows-secu...

Then we have articles like
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Why-Is-the-Mac-O...
where the author gives no evidence of the code in OSX being more secure than Windows, just false arguments like "OSX disables services that may allow for vulnerability", which I hope I don't have to explain how that is not better security.


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By Tony Swash on 10/28/10, Rating: -1
By Luticus on 10/28/2010 12:09:59 PM , Rating: 2
I'm in the process of finding a test machine now that i can infect.


By inighthawki on 10/28/2010 12:16:57 PM , Rating: 2
So you're saying that some of the lead security experts who develop hacks for a living don't count as a valid reference? Wow, what are you expecting, a complete run down of each OSs source code and analysis by a dozen third parties?


By gamerk2 on 10/28/2010 12:31:35 PM , Rating: 3
Your statement is provablly false: My sisters Mac got infected.

Your argument also ignores the fact there are 10x the Windows PCs on the market; of COURSE they will have more PC's infected by some virus or another. Likewise, PC's, having the larger user base, is a far more tempting target for people creating viruses.

Now that Macs are gaining share, combined with their piss-poor anti-virus measures, you will see Macs get exploited far more. I'm saying this as a programmer who regularlly attends confrences where your precious platform is laid open for us to play with. Macs have about as much security today as Windows ME had when it released. The only difference is that the people who create viruses tend to ignore your platform. That doesn't make it safe.


By fsardis on 10/28/2010 1:05:57 PM , Rating: 3
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/28/adobe_read...

oh so much fun... this one is cross platform too and unpatched.
so if OSX is so superior, how come it is not immune?


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By Akrovah on 10/28/2010 10:59:54 AM , Rating: 3
No Flash on the iPhone and iPad is LIMITATION, not a feature.

And no, no one is able to show you an actual example on an infected Mac because most of the people here are smart enough to avoid such things, however, as there are actually screen shots of this thing in effect, or at least the warnings that pop up when it tries to install (and you know some people are going to be stupid enough to click Yes. It will just happen, there is no sense denying it) I think it makes it pretty clear that it CAN and WILL happen.


By bakupon on 10/28/2010 11:05:02 AM , Rating: 2
maybe soon jobs will ban java for ios


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By Luticus on 10/28/2010 11:37:27 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
show me an example of a single mac that has been compromised
Give me a little while and i'll get one infected just for you.

quote:
Windows that is the security disaster and not Mac
talk about a false sense of reality... Windows isn't perfect, we all get that... you apparently are having trouble understanding that neither is your candy coated mac!

quote:
You can install Flash and Java on your Mac
for now... but will it remain that way forever?

quote:
No Flash on the iPhone and iPad is feature not a bug.
i disagree. removing software from a device because your device can't handle it is not a feature. again i should have the choice to install it!

quote:
If you don't own Apple products why are you getting in a such a froth
i'm posting this from a macbook pro running osx 10.6.

quote:
if you do own Apple products I assume it's because you want to
Assuming didn't work out for you this time. The macbook is my work computer because we actually support about 150 of them along side our windows 7 support. I elected to assist in the mac side of the support because i and one of my coworkers know the most about them. Thus to help us support the platform we were giving macs with virtual machines for windows support. I still prefer windows in EVERY way and i live in my virtual environment because mac is WAY to confining and doesn't support simple things that i need and/or like.

quote:
Either way please stop whining.

You're mistaking my laughter for whining... My apologies, perhaps i should laugh louder so you can tell the difference.


By earlgpz750 on 10/28/2010 12:07:59 PM , Rating: 2
Wow - Fanboy -
To show an example of an infected Mac is like asking for every single Mac Owner to Come to one site and log yes or no if they have it.

Look there are reasons why an individual wouldnt show on a site that they are infected. Jobs will come knocking down the door or some how have that retracted.

Reality is , some people are not that smart and may not come forward with an infection 1) Cause they dont know 2) Dont know that they should report to THIS FORUM

Get over your self with MAC and realize the truth "If it is made by man, it can be broken by man"

That being said, no matter what you say that Mac is more secure is a matter of perspective not reality.

Sure Windows has its flaws, but there is no perfect software OS out there that will be flexible and user (non technical) friendly.

I have been an admin and support for many people so I have seen everyday users and understand thier concerns and seen their habits and usage.

Heres another thought: a Large US company gets their security punched though many layers before they ever shut it of and change connections. But they never advertise that? Why because its bad publicity. So why dont you ask all companies to tell you their security flaws instead of looking for 1 little MAC device?

Again in BOLD for you Tony and your reading pleasure "If it is made by man, it can be broken by man"

Also remember before Jobs kept saying Windows 95/98 should be an "OPEN PLATFORM" and give users the rights to install what they want. All of a sudden he is locking down his OS. Geez,so in one breath he says open system, now that his market share is growing and the false sense of security, he locks and says Yay or Nay to what can and cannot be installed or preloaded?

I own mac and windows lol ironiclly my Macbook Pro is my fastest WINDOWS7 system.

so judging from your remarks here on the forum, you are Job Cult follower and believe everything he says is truth. Mac Evangelistic marketing is fine for competition, but seriously; defending them is honorable outside the fact you think MAC is still Virus Proof.


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By testerguy on 10/28/10, Rating: -1
By Luticus on 10/28/2010 12:44:22 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Give ME a little while and I'll show you that you still haven#t got one infected
working on it... i'll let you know when/if it gets infected and the steps to remove it. Just gotta find a test machine that i can image. I'll probably get it done after work if my "workload" permits.

quote:
Nobody is claiming OSX is perfect.
HAH, talk to tony and many more like him/her for about 5 seconds....

quote:
The simply fact is that it's more secure than Windows
i disagree, the ONLY thing "more secure" about mac (if this even still counts) is that it's based on bsd and thus has a stronger security model by default than windows, windows is made the flawed structure go away with the introduction of UAC which emulates the linux/unix root/user account privileged system.

quote:
It's still less prone to be the subject of viruses
nobody is arguing that windows doesn't get more viruses... that's unanimously true.

quote:

Do you know the answer to this question? For any platform? No. Most irrelevant point of the day.
trends in the iphone/ipod/ipad world are pointing to the fact that apple is moving toward this. It could be incorrect but i wouldn't put it past them.

quote:
due to the fact that the use of flash on any device impacts on performance and battery life in an unacceptable way.
if you run flash on an "as needed basis" like i do on my windows phone then the impact is not nearly as bad.

quote:
Well, what a ridiculous coincidence. You know the 'most' about macs whilst also believing all of the criticisms you stated above, I wonder where you gained such knowledge.
i got my skills with mac from a combination of virtualization, linux/unix knowledge that i apply to the mac platform, a friend who owns a mac which i used to study the platform, and through demoing mac computers at mac stores. Among other places, not to mention i have this uncanny ability to "read"... and there are plenty of places on the internet with mac documentation.

quote:
Surely you didn't gain that knowledge by not buying such inferior products? What does that say about your decisions? Or more accurately, about your honesty.
To date i have owned/posessed only 2 devices made by apple. the first was an ipod shuffle that was given to me for christmas which broke a long time ago (it was a software problem that i quit fixing, no i did not sabotage it) and the second is my current macbook pro that i did not, nor ever would, pay for. As for my honesty, i think that i'm fairly honest about my knowledge/skills/devices owned.

quote:
i don't hate apple devices, i hate the smug customer base and it's lie driven marketing... granted the marketing aspect seems to be going away now.

quote:
Look at all the posts on here, people overjoyed that a virus has the potential to infect a system
i am not overjoyed that a virus has the potential to hurt people or their systems, i was overjoyed that there may have been some slight chance these smug pricks who think their overpriced computers are better than mine because theirs were build by apple's outsourcing and mine was built by me and runs windows...

I am currently in the process of testing this virus and hopefully will be able to develop a fix or at least a guide on detection and removal if it warrants it.

quote:
You know the 'most' about macs whilst also believing all of the criticisms you stated above

I am a regular user of many different operating systems to include all windows 7 and below, windows server 2003 - 2008, debian, fadora, kubuntu, ubuntu, mandriva/mandrake, mint, osx .0 - .6, windows mobile, and ios... the criticisms i stated anywhere on here (besides where i'm being clearly sarcastic just to get a few laughs) are not something i just believe, but know to be 100% true. There are just as many issues regarding mac as there are windows. they might be about different things but there are issues none-the-less, that much i can assure you of.

i have no hate for my macbook pro, i just prefer Windows/Debain to it 100%.

Say what you like... unless you're a tech who knows his stuff you won't stand a chance at discrediting me, and if you are a tech who is in fact good and well informed about all of these platforms then you'll know by reading my posts my credentials are in order. I don't like to brag but i live on all things technology. If you want to argue history you'd probably win, but if there's one thing i know it's computer tech.


By INeedCache on 10/29/2010 10:03:16 AM , Rating: 1
"Talk about a huge sense of insecurity. Nobody is claiming OSX is perfect. The simply fact is that it's more secure than Windows. Whether that's due to the fact that it's less of a target or not, is irrelevant. It's still less prone to be the subject of viruses."

Do you realize just how nonsensical that statement is? You're saying it's more secure than Windows, yet the fact that it's much less of a target is irrelevant. The fact that it's much less of a target is TOTALLY relevant, as without it being on about equal footing as far a marketshare and being targeted, you, nor anyone else, can back up the claim it's more secure than Windows.

You also mention an unnatural hatred amongst some for all things Apple. That may be. But you should also then mention the unnatural feeling of superiority most Apple users exhibit toward any and all competitors. People overjoyed that a computer could get infected? Well, what do you expect when the Apple Kool-Aid gulpers weigh in on any and every article regarding Windows infections with their typical superior, smug attitude "It can't happen to us." It certainly CAN happen to them. Forgot to mention that. Or do you expect human nature to be one-sided?

Is OSX more secure than Windows 7? You can believe and claim whatever you wish. But the FACT is we will never know, as it will never come close to achieving the market share necessary for even a loose comparison. If you believe otherwise, your illogic is even worse than displayed here in this more or less laughable diatribe.


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By gstrickler on 10/31/2010 7:08:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This does not take away from the fact that it's still a mac exploit.

Actually, it's a user exploit. In fact, it doesn't even work correctly on many Macs. It doesn't do anything unless the user allows it and enters an administrator password so it can install. It's classic social engineering. A trojan that tries to trick the user into installing it. Nothing more, nothing less.

quote:
should be able to install whatever i want on my own computer. I will not be told what i can and can not install by jobs or anyone else. Doing away with java and flash is retarded and shouldn't be job's choice to make. If they don't want to put it on by default that's one thing but block me from installing it is insane!
Jobs isn't choosing for you, they're just choosing not to install it for you. You're free to install Flash and Java yourself if you choose. No one is blocking you from installing it. Pure FUD.

MS Windows doesn't install either one for you, you have to go install it yourself. Linux doesn't install flash for you, and may or may not install Java.

There is no difference, so stop spouting your Apple/Jobs hatred, or at least give an example that doesn't fall apart with a trivial amount of logic. You're welcome to hate Apple/Jobs, just quit spouting inaccurate info and FUD.


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By Luticus on 11/1/2010 8:29:58 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Actually, it's a user exploit. In fact, it doesn't even work correctly on many Macs. It doesn't do anything unless the user allows it and enters an administrator password so it can install. It's classic social engineering. A trojan that tries to trick the user into installing it. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'm not arguing that this isn't a "user exploit", my point is that these types of viruses will only get worse from here on... if you want to stay in a sugar coated bubble, or frolic in a meadow of denial... fine.

quote:
Jobs isn't choosing for you, they're just choosing not to install it for you. You're free to install Flash and Java yourself if you choose. No one is blocking you from installing it. Pure FUD.
See ipod, iphone, ipad... now there's talk of a mac store opening up for the mac computers. If they go completely to a mac store for software distribution on the mac then how long until you "can't" install it. As i stated above, this is a growing trend with apple and while this might not ever become a reality i certainly wouldn't put it passed them.

quote:
MS Windows doesn't install either one for you, you have to go install it yourself. Linux doesn't install flash for you, and may or may not install Java.
i know...

quote:
You're welcome to hate Apple/Jobs, just quit spouting inaccurate info and FUD.
i do not hate Apple or Jobs. I don't like the way that apple does business sometimes and i don't particularly care for the amount of control i feel apple/jobs have over what i can and can't do with the computer/devices i paid for. seeing as this exact thing has been a reoccurring theme in just about every apple/mac article I've read in the last year or two i really don't think this statement is too far off. None of my "information" is inaccurate. Sure sometimes i say some sarcastic things just to get a laugh or make a point (and usually i'll note when i'm doing it), but my information is always accurate. I'm working on a mac right now. I know mac pretty well so you cannot use the "you're uninformed and just a hater" argument against me. I use apple and i still prefer windows/linux, if this bothers you... examine your life and why you care. I'm just poking a little bit of fun at all the smug mac people who think macs are protected by the force and that all windows users are stupid for using windows. 'nuff said!


By gstrickler on 11/1/2010 12:52:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
See ipod, iphone, ipad... now there's talk of a mac store opening up for the mac computers. If they go completely to a mac store for software distribution on the mac then how long until you "can't" install it. As i stated above, this is a growing trend with apple and while this might not ever become a reality i certainly wouldn't put it passed them.
Different market, different context. They won't lock down the Mac the way they have iOS devices. They're just adding an app store that makes it easier to purchase, install, and upgrade software that is available via that app store. I certainly don't have any inside info, but locking down the Mac would kill that market, and I'm sure Jobs knows that.
quote:
my point is that these types of viruses will only get worse from here on...
Agreed.
quote:
if you want to stay in a sugar coated bubble, or frolic in a meadow of denial... fine.
Not me, I've found and reporte a number of security issues for Mac, Windows, and various other products over the years.
quote:
I don't like the way that apple does business sometimes and i don't particularly care for the amount of control i feel apple/jobs have over what i can and can't do with the computer/devices i paid for. seeing as this exact thing has been a reoccurring theme in just about every apple/mac article I've read in the last year or two i really don't think this statement is too far off.
I use Macs, Windows, and Linux/Unix also, been using and supporting all of those since the mid 80's. I didn't like the way SCO did business (good riddance), I don't like some of Oracle's practices, I don't like some of Apple's practices, but I dislike MS business practices even more. It's personal preference, nothing objectively significantly better or worse as far as business practices go. Still, I choose the best tool for the job, sometimes that's an Oracle database, often it's an MS product, but for me personally, it's usually a Mac. For some things I prefer Windows, but since my goal is to accomplish work, I prefer the system that requires the least time supporting the system and helps me get my work done faster with the least hassle. For me, that is generally a Mac, so I prefer a Mac. Everyone has different preferences and different tasks to accomplish, so not everyone will be best served by any one system.

I'm glad Apple switch to x86 based systems 4 years ago, it makes it much easier to run a Mac with Windows in a VM, so I have both handy in one machine. For some things, I use both at once tanking advantage of the strengths of each OS and the software for each to accomplish a task more easily than I could on either system separately.

BTW, Apple recommends AV software for Mac OS X, and they have for quite a few years. In fact, they ship ClamAV on OS X Server. They don't "push" or promote it in "ovbious" ways, but it's on their web site. The choice to not prominently promote using AV software is a marketing decision, after all, it might be tough to promote the use of AV software while you are also (accurately for now) pointing out that Mac users don't have to deal with as many AV/malware issues that Windows users do. Yes, most of the difference is due to market share differences, but it doesn't change that fact that in practice, Windows users will be attacked at least 10x more, which means that a Mac user will have much less of that to deal with. Not an inherent advantage of the OS (at least not since Vista shipped using UAC), just an inherent advantage of having a much smaller installed base.


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By Luticus on 11/2/2010 8:50:14 AM , Rating: 2
For the most part i completely agree with everything you've said here.

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They won't lock down the Mac the way they have iOS devices.
This could be true and i certainly hope this is the case.

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nothing objectively significantly better or worse as far as business practices go.
I agree this is all preference, for me i feel that ms is the winner here because ms attacked other business while apple deceives customers, and limits customers use of their computers. i want a machine that will let me do whatever i want with it, anything less than that is no good to me. For the most part windows lets me do this, so 99.9% of the time I'll use windows and the rest of the time I'll use Linux/Mac.

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I'm glad Apple switch to x86 based systems 4 years ago
As am i, best move ever!

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Apple recommends AV software for Mac OS X
I know, this is something else i don't like about apple. They recommend anti-virus but they do so quietly so that they save face. They don't care if their customers get viruses as long as they are still seen as the clean "cool" sterile environment. Yet if customers do get viruses they can point out "see we've recommended anti-virus for years!" Making users sign agreements not to talk about problems they've had with their platform.... yea I'm not buying into that. If you use mac then great, i hope you enjoy it and never have a problem. If you understand that windows has it's place and that people are morons for choosing it then ever better! When it comes down to it, that's really all i want. I don't get why people have to be smug about what operating system their using... i just don't get it.


RE: More pleasing fantasies for the truly insecure
By Luticus on 11/2/2010 8:55:12 AM , Rating: 2
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If you understand that windows has it's place and that people are morons for choosing it then ever better!

This should read: If you understand that windows has it's place and that people are NOT morons for choosing it then ever better! :-)


By gstrickler on 11/3/2010 11:08:35 PM , Rating: 2
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This should read: If you understand that windows has it's place and that people are NOT morons for choosing it then ever better! :-)
I liked the typo better. :)


By Flunk on 10/28/2010 10:25:36 AM , Rating: 3
This isn't really an exploit, the standard signature errors show. It's a trojan that simply takes advantage of users AFTER they authorize it. It's not really due to any specific security bug in Java.


By fsardis on 10/28/2010 11:30:52 AM , Rating: 2
"Macs don't get exploited."

Pwn2Own, Mactard. Pwn2Own...


By trajan on 10/28/2010 11:31:41 AM , Rating: 1
Tony, I thought your post above is actually rather thoughtful and raises some legitimate responses. You're not a complete idiotic fanboy, and many of the people rating you down and screaming at you are.

However your repeated insistance that someone prove to you that Macs are actually getting infected is getting downright juevenile. Macs get infected by malware and trojans. It happens.

This may or may not be the same Java exploit but here's a particularly frantic/sad/amusing (depending on your perspective) post:

http://macosx.com/forums/mac-os-x-system-mac-softw...

Get off your high horse. There are flaws in everything, Macs get exploted too, and Java and Flash have been and continue to be incredible tools. If you can't tolerate even the smallest flaw in your precious Mac world without jettisoning the maturity you probably have in other aspects of your life, you should steer away from DT and find a nice warm patch of sand to bury your head in.

"It's just the way the world is"


By CptTripps on 10/28/2010 12:50:46 PM , Rating: 2
Did you really just say "Macs don't get exploited"?

Even though a mac fanboi I was reading your posts, now... not so much.


By fsardis on 10/28/2010 6:24:32 PM , Rating: 1
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/ibotnet-researc...

and what is this then? oooooh we have our very own iBotnet!!

i think that counts as an infection, right?


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