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Brandon Hill (Blog) - August 14, 2006 10:33 AM
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The Segway gets a makeover

Segway is ushering in a new age in personal transportation today. The machine that was once billed to revolutionize the way we travel from place to place was expected to sell between 50,000 to 100,000 units per year -- total sales of Segway HT have instead totaled in the tens of thousands since it first went on sale in 2003. Despite lower the originally forecasted sales of the original device, the company says that its revenues have been increasing by 50% each year and today launched two new models to its lineup of personal, automatic up-right transporters. The first of the two new models is the i2, which is a simplified version of the first Segway design and the second version, called the x2, is designed for "cross-terrain" or off-payment transporting duties.

The i2 does away with the original's "steer via handlebars" control scheme in favor of "LeanSteer." LeanSteer, as its name implies, allows the rider to lean his or whole body along with the device to turn left or right.  Riders can still proceed forward and backwards by leaning in the appropriate direction. Power comes via Saphion lithium-ion batteries which give the i2 a 24 mile range on a charge (dependent on terrain). The 105 pound device has a top speed of 12.5 MPH and can carry up to 260 pounds.

The other more interesting addition to the Segway family is the x2. This model brings a touch of HUMMER to the lineup with all-terrain tires, heavy duty fenders and revised software programming to allow the device to traverse trails, hilly terrain or beach sand. The x2 also has 1.5" greater ground clearance and an increased track for greater stability. The increased functionality comes at a price as weight increases to 120 pounds and the operational range drops from 24 miles to 12 miles.

Both the i2 and the x2 use a Bluetooth wireless “InfoKey” that monitors, speed, distance traveled and battery life. The InfoKey also incorporates a security system to keep thieves at bay. It remains to be seen whether the new generation will retain the slow selling pace of its forbearer or see a significant boost in popularity. The sales success of the i2 and x2 will be largely depended on pricing and while pricing for the x2 has not yet been announced, the i2 will start at $4,995.

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$4995
By Suomynona on 8/14/2006 11:30:48 AM , Rating: 5
The current entry price for being a douchebag is... $4995. Honestly, who buys these? You can get a lot more entertainment for a lot less money without demonstrating your douchebaggery to the world.




RE: $4995
By bigboxes on 8/14/2006 11:37:13 AM , Rating: 2
LOL

Thanks for the laugh of the day. QFT


RE: $4995
By retrospooty on 8/14/2006 11:40:48 AM , Rating: 2
douchebaggery... Definitely the word of the day, if not the word of the year.


RE: $4995
By jmunjr on 8/14/2006 12:55:53 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, if I had a choice of being a douchebag or ignorant, I think I'd choose ignorant(though ignorance may be a subset of douchebaggery).

There is a market for these, and most are not sold for entertainmain purposes(well not directly). I was hired as an IT admin back in 2001 by some chemical company, but it turned out the owner of that company was the guy who won the Amazon Auction for the "first" one to market and he paid something like $60,000 for it. Anyway, he was so sold on it he started a company to distribute them from Texas, an dI was "forced" to work some of my time in a store in our fancy shopping mall in the Galleria. that was pretty humiliating, but another new coworker embraced the job, kissed the owners read end constantly, and became his darling little b - itch.

Guess what? This kid was a douchebag.

Anyway I do know in Europe there are some tour companies that use Segways to give guided tours. That's a pretty good use for them.

Oh and you guys need to shut yer traps until you have actually ridden one of these. They are kind of neat but not worth the price and really dorky. I was embarrassed to be seen on one, but oh well.


RE: $4995
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 8/14/2006 6:41:48 PM , Rating: 2
The cops all over Chicago use these, so I guess there is a market.


Chicago PD
By therealnickdanger on 8/15/2006 4:30:39 PM , Rating: 2
I was just going to post that. Back in January I was there for a visit and saw some cops tooling around on what looked like offroad Segways. Even with a "bulk discount", I would be outraged if I were a Illinois taxpayer. Well, n/m, there are plenty of other things to be peeved about in IL. Either way, we all had a good laugh at CPD's expense.


RE: $4995
By ET on 8/15/2006 8:27:44 AM , Rating: 2
There's a tour in San Francisco on these things. No self respecting geek should avoid it.


RE: $4995
By rrsurfer1 on 8/14/2006 11:37:21 AM , Rating: 2
I can see these being used if/when the price drops far below $5G. Seriously, I live in the city and could see myself taking this to work instead of a car IF

1) The price was lower, maybe 2 grand.
2) There was some place to store the thing where I wasn't afraid of it getting stolen. Along the lines of a bike rack but for these.

Both I think are possible in the semi-near future.


RE: $4995
By xsilver on 8/14/2006 11:42:07 AM , Rating: 2
what's wrong with your legs?

if you're worried about storage why not rollerblades or skateboard?

seriously, not enough people with suits on skateboards!


RE: $4995
By rrsurfer1 on 8/14/2006 11:46:41 AM , Rating: 2
12 Mph top speed would not be easy to keep up with, using my legs ;) I work far enough away that it would still be a looong walk. I don't have that kind of time... or I do but it would mean getting up at 5:30 !


RE: $4995
By MrSmurf on 8/14/2006 11:50:09 AM , Rating: 3
Ride a bike if you're so worred about not driving your car. Or does the thought of pumping your legs scare you off?


RE: $4995
By rrsurfer1 on 8/14/2006 12:00:21 PM , Rating: 2
I do ride my bike sometimes. More often recreationally. But this article was concerning the segway, so thats where my comments are directed ;)

Seriously, you guys need to relax a little. We're talking alternative transportation here, not everyone wants to walk/ride a bike at all times. Proven by the amount of traffic we have to deal with. Segways could really largely replace cars in cities if it become cheap enough.


RE: $4995
By xsilver on 8/14/2006 11:56:06 AM , Rating: 2
12mph "top speed"
having not owned one I cant say for sure
but I highly doubt the accuracy of that, down a hill on ice, probably...


and you'd be surprised how fast a light jog actually is. you can probably break 5mph easy.. and also etiqutte using this thing? would you give way to people on the sidewalk or expect people to give way to you? I certainly wouldnt give way to a $5000 shopping cart


RE: $4995
By rrsurfer1 on 8/14/2006 12:01:35 PM , Rating: 2
Yea you can break 5 mph but you'll be a sweaty mess after half an hour or so. I don't want to take a shower when I get to work, nor do I have that choice.


RE: $4995
By psychobriggsy on 8/14/2006 12:08:19 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't a 'light jog' one of the worst things you can do to the joints in your legs?

A brisk but maintainable walk is between 4 and 5 mph anyway. If you're 6 miles from work, that's still between 72 and 90 minutes. With a segway that'd be a feasible 30 minutes. A bike would be the economical and obvious solution however, if the route is bike friendly.

I'm now going to bring back memories of the South Park "IT" episode to cheer my next hour or so at work.


RE: $4995
By leviat on 8/14/2006 12:58:53 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'd like see someone do a light-jog to work for 5 miles in 95+ degree weather. By the time you got to work you would have to take another shower and a change of clothes. I don't have a shower where I work.

Yes this thing is expensive, yes it's a little funny looking, but let's be honest. If people were to use more of these in the cities rather than their own vehicle/cab, it would go a long way to clear up the streets and rush hours messes.


RE: $4995
By alcalde on 8/14/2006 1:37:53 PM , Rating: 4
The choice isn't between a 5K Segway and walking. Fact is, there are other alternative transportation choices out there that blow away the Segway on most all fronts.

I used to live in a place surrounded by bars, restaurants, beach and tourist attractions such that in the summer if you went out on a Friday, your parking spot would be taken until Sunday evening. My solution? I got a Targa LX moped, like the one below:

http://www.hometownusa.com/photoads/photos/21994

The price was around $1500 at that time, new. The top speed under optimal conditions was 30MPH... modifications could increase that. It did not require mixing gas and oil like other 2-strokes, so you could fill up right at the gas station, unlike needing to find a plug to charge a Segway. The MPG was somewhere between 80-100(!). It had a gallon tank plus a small reserve, so the cost to fuel it and the range were both significantly lower than Segway. It had a horn, turn signals front and rear and a headlight for safer and night travel, unlike Segway. There's also the luggage rack in back, to which I'd sometimes strap a milk crate and take it shopping over the weekend to avoid losing my spot. I could carry a few small bags of groceries home this way, which was enough to get by for the weekend, as I was single. You could also add saddle bags and carry more if you wanted. This was also better than the Segway. People (even cops and one former moped dealer) mistook it for a motorcycle or modified dirtbike more than 90% of the time, so there was less of a geek factor than the Segway. You could chain it to a bicycle rack (took it to malls during sales and opening night at the movies and didn't have to hunt for a parking spot!). It's also an automatic, so there's no gear-shifting to learn for those used to automatic transmission - this makes it easy to ride. I can't say which of the two has the shorter learning curve though.


So all in all, a moped (at least this one) gives you the same advantage of having a mechanical means of travel for far distances or hot weather, but beats the Segway on price, range, fuel, refueling availability, speed, carrying capacity, and geekiness.

For not much more (maybe $1800), you could go for one of the many asian-style (non-Vespa) scooters (which I've been thinking about doing):

http://www.scootersus.com/images/DSCF2197.JPG

and get all the advantages of the moped above but with highway legality, 65MPH top speed and greater carrying capacity. Heck there are even 250CC automatic transmission motorcycles and "convertable" scooters with roofs now, for around $3000 or less.

This is why I find it funny that the Segway is so often touted as a transformation of travel... they're a step backward from mopeds and scooters, at a significantly higher cost. Moped, scooter and motorcycle sales are up significantly courtesy of high fuel prices, so hopefully more people will catch on to how great these things are for short/medium distance travel, regardless of the cost of fuel.


RE: $4995
By Lord 666 on 8/14/2006 3:37:59 PM , Rating: 3
Reminds me of the old joke, "Fat girls are like mopeds; their fun to ride until your friend sees you on one."

Mopeds or scooters are even dorkier than the Segway and regulated by DMV. You should see how many get taken away by the NYPD because people don't realize you actually have to get them registered.


RE: $4995
By retrospooty on 8/14/2006 11:43:49 AM , Rating: 2
Try walking, exercise is a very good thing mentally as well as physically. For those that are incapable, a lark (or any other sit down model) would probably be what you need.


RE: $4995
By masher2 (blog) on 8/14/2006 12:45:00 PM , Rating: 1
> "Try walking..."

Do you own a vehicle? If so, why? Anywhere you can get with a car, you can get on your own two feet.





RE: $4995
By robber98 on 8/14/2006 3:47:55 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know you but if the destination is only few blocks away, I won't drive. And that's what legs for... ;)


RE: $4995
By TheDoc9 on 8/14/2006 1:42:33 PM , Rating: 3
I was thinking maybe $300.

All I remimber about segway is that it was overhyped and the MAJOR, MAJOR disapointment you felt when found out what this 'revolutionary invention' was. I really thought it would be something cool like a new form of power, anti gravity, something interesting and really a testament to human inginuity.

I'd like to punch the marketing guy in the face for doing what they did to us.


RE: $4995
By vortmax on 8/14/2006 3:14:29 PM , Rating: 3
Sounds like that marketing person did their job...lol.


RE: $4995
By TheDoc9 on 8/15/2006 11:35:24 AM , Rating: 2
exactly, he took crap, polished it, and told us it was gold. Only thing is that polished crap is still crap.


RE: $4995
By Kilim on 8/14/2006 11:37:34 AM , Rating: 4
Having worked in a mall, other signs of douchebaggery include, wearing a wireless headset, even though there is no clear reason to do so. Sunglasses inside, of course, but with mirrored lenses. Oh yeah, popped collar too. Put all these together riding a segway, you have the biggest douchebag EVER!


RE: $4995
By MrSmurf on 8/14/06, Rating: -1
RE: $4995
By xsilver on 8/14/2006 11:39:23 AM , Rating: 2
but if you were a m/billionare, this device would exhibit an unique kind of douchebaggery


RE: $4995
By jskirwin on 8/14/2006 11:51:40 AM , Rating: 1
Nothing beats a BMW for demonstrating your douchebaggery to the world. A BMW is not rare. It's not high performance. It's not immune to breakdown. It's not even stylish - compared to other European cars.

But it does cost alot - and it is driven and wanted by other douchebags.

As for the Segway. Just what an overweight society needs: something that makes us fatter.





RE: $4995
By MrSmurf on 8/14/2006 11:54:33 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds like Billy's mom drove a BMV while you were stuck being driven to school in a Cavalier.

Jealousy is a bitch!


RE: $4995
By xsilver on 8/14/2006 11:59:27 AM , Rating: 2
actually in europe they're quite cheap
same price as a camry

I think you're actually talking about the asshats that buy 318's and trick them out to look like M3's
all some do is remove the "318" badge..... lol they dont want to look like cheapskate bmw owners that cant afford anything better.


RE: $4995
By creathir on 8/14/2006 1:24:06 PM , Rating: 2
I certainly would not turn down a 760Li if it were given to me...

- Creathir


RE: $4995
By FITCamaro on 8/14/2006 2:58:22 PM , Rating: 2
Actually the cheap BMW "owner" doesn't own a BMW but leases one.

I don't hate BMWs. But for the money you pay for a "cheap" BMW I could have a far nicer, faster car. I'd rather be driving a 400hp Pontiac GTO with a 6 speed than a 230ish hp I6 with an automatic that has a BMW logo on it. But then, I also, no matter how much money I ever have, would never buy something like a Ferrari since I could have a Corvette Z06 that goes just as fast if not faster (depending on the Ferrari) at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost.

And to the guy who made the Cavalier joke. Some of us didn't have mommy and daddy to buy us a BMW or a Lexus. We had to work for everything we had. I bought my first car, an 85 Camaro, at 17 after working for a year and a half for $1500. I didn't have a car I could drive or insurance to drive it until after I graduated from high school and was in my first week of college. That doesn't make you better than me or me jealous of you. It means I earned what I had and respected it a hell of a lot more. I went to a private school full of idiots who were given cars and most of them wrecked them or at least got in one accident.


RE: $4995
By Trippytiger on 8/14/2006 8:06:12 PM , Rating: 2
"I don't hate BMWs. But for the money you pay for a "cheap" BMW I could have a far nicer, faster car. I'd rather be driving a 400hp Pontiac GTO with a 6 speed than a 230ish hp I6 with an automatic that has a BMW logo on it. But then, I also, no matter how much money I ever have, would never buy something like a Ferrari since I could have a Corvette Z06 that goes just as fast if not faster (depending on the Ferrari) at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost."

One day, you may learn of corners, and then you might understand why people buy cars known for their handling instead of cars that have little else going for them besides sheer engine displacement. And that's not mentioning the infinitely nicer interiors that BMW and Ferrari provide compared to the chintzy stuff that seems to be the best that GM can put out.


RE: $4995
By xsilver on 8/14/2006 8:59:47 PM , Rating: 2
dont try and explain this concept to americans, many have tried (including me) and failed /been flamed..
and my country actually makes/designs the pontiac gto, so i'm only trying to explain the horses for courses concept.


RE: $4995
By psychobriggsy on 8/14/2006 12:15:28 PM , Rating: 2
Most BMW drivers are douchebags, they're the most hated car drivers in the UK at least. Inconsiderate road hogs, always on their mobile phones illegally, weaving dangerously through traffic cutting people up. All probably corporate salesmen or lawyers. They probably have trophy wives from making a lot of money selling whatever underperforming product they sell. Yeah, actually, the other guy might have a point about jealousy, hehe, but they are for the most part douchebags. The women BMW drivers though, ahhh, they're worse!


RE: $4995
By gramboh on 8/14/2006 12:23:50 PM , Rating: 2
BMW M series cars are nice, 318's are for posers, better value for your money in Honda/Toyota at that price.

RE: Segways, they are lame, ride a damn bike you can go faster, be on the road and get exercise. Personally I live close enough to downtown that I can walk to work, thinking of buying a longboard but I'm worried about bailing in nice clothes since I suck at skateboarding.


RE: $4995
By jskirwin on 8/14/2006 12:28:14 PM , Rating: 2
Jealousy? Naaah. I'm into Japanese carmakers that bail out the European (and US) car companies, although the Jaguar (pron: "jay-goo-wah") is a sentimental fave.

I drive 50+ miles a day on I-95 here in Megacity 1, and have learned the following:
1. Jersey drivers are the worst.
2. BMW drivers are the worst.
3. Jersey BMW drivers...


RE: $4995
By rushfan2006 on 8/14/2006 12:56:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I drive 50+ miles a day on I-95 here in Megacity 1, and have learned the following:
1. Jersey drivers are the worst.
2. BMW drivers are the worst.
3. Jersey BMW drivers...


LOL..I live in NJ (grew up in PA and moved her many years ago)...I can verify that NJ drivers, for the most part -- suck...(for the most part because of course I don't count myself in that! LOL).

My main problem is people just drive slow as molasses and apparently folks here forget that cars come with turn signals.

As far as the rest of this thread...lol..its hysterical to me how you folks rip each other over EVERYTHING....who gives a rat's ass if somoene likes BMW or not, wants a segway or a bike to get to work...if it doesn't affect me....knock your socks off....

$5k is insane though..if I had $5k to just throw around..I'd probably just build a killer gaming PC..lol



RE: $4995
By Lonearchon on 8/14/2006 2:35:53 PM , Rating: 2
funny thing is many peole woul think you are insane to spend 5k on a computer. But not likel the people here. But for the segway it is to costly for what it is and not even usable where i live do to traffic and distances


RE: $4995
By redeyedfly on 8/14/2006 2:15:11 PM , Rating: 1
why is bmw brought into all of this. uh oh did somebodies daddy not buy him a bmw when he was 16 so now he hates them. just smells of jealousy to me. or this douchebag invested a lot in segways and now has lost all of his money and can't afford a bmw. bmw's are very nice cars and cater to the detail and quality oriented that appreciate sophistication. this guy can join the rest of the population by jumping in his pos rice burning honda and go to his underpaid java scripting job with the rest of the rat race and be a burden of society.


RE: $4995
By DigitalFreak on 8/14/2006 5:24:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
bmw's are very nice cars and cater to the detail and quality oriented that appreciate sophistication


...and have more money than sense.


RE: $4995
By XtremeM3 on 8/15/2006 3:56:11 AM , Rating: 2
I must disagree with that. I love my BMW. It's my first one and has performed great. It's broken hearts, turned heads, and hurt feelings on the road as well as parking lots. I've had no problems, it runs great, has warranty and service covered for 4 years, and I haven't had to take advantage of that 4 year warranty once(aside for scheduled services).

Why? What do you drive that is so much better?


RE: $4995
By XtremeM3 on 8/15/2006 3:58:03 AM , Rating: 2
*aside from*

edit button...where is the edit button.....


RE: $4995
By Lord 666 on 8/14/2006 12:31:56 PM , Rating: 2
A local police department has them deployed to be used on and around the boardwalk. Seeing them in use actually makes sense for this environment.

So the question is... who is the douchebag then; the police department spending tax payers money or the taxpayers allowing it?



RE: $4995
By DigitalFreak on 8/14/2006 5:25:52 PM , Rating: 2
They make more sense for commercial use.


RE: $4995
By bjacobson on 8/14/2006 1:18:23 PM , Rating: 2
Right now it is more suitable for rental. In a lot of cities (Chicago for example) you can pay $$ for a tour that takes you around the city on these. Its fun for the kids and parents.

The problem with these is that they are uncomfortable. Ever stand in place for 20 minutes? Doesn't feel good. Our legs are used to being relaxed or walking, not standing still.


RE: $4995
By NuroMancer on 8/14/2006 1:27:11 PM , Rating: 2
Who buys these?

People that have impared mobility but not enough to need a scooter.
We have a couple of them in the downtown area and I have noticed that when they get off them, they have trouble walking.


RE: $4995
By 4AnandBlondes on 8/14/2006 1:48:05 PM , Rating: 2
Gadget like these will all be forgotten once moving sidewalks are implemented everywhere like they have at the airports. When is that gonna happen...oh wait I remember...IN THE YEAR 2000....IN THE YEAR 2000.......(That's for all you Conan O'Brien fans out there).


RE: $4995
By wiiz3rd on 8/14/2006 2:16:58 PM , Rating: 2
I have traffic cops in the city using these things.


RE: $4995
By The Boston Dangler on 8/14/2006 7:48:58 PM , Rating: 2
People are all about demonstrating their douchebaggery, that's what makes them douchebags. And thus, my post.

These things should come with ipod cradles and SDS (Starbucks Detection System). Me personally, I can't wait for the Bluetooth to get hacked, sending a herd of dorks into an impromptu demolition derby. Picture it: Thurston Howell + George Jetson + Benny Hill = comdey.


RE: $4995
By GNStudios on 8/16/2006 4:13:48 AM , Rating: 2
totally agree!


Why do geeks like Segways?
By Davelo on 8/14/2006 3:59:05 PM , Rating: 2
Wasn't it Steve Jobs of Apple that said this thing was supposed to revolutionize the world as we know it? Must be a geek thing I guess.




RE: Why do geeks like Segways?
By jskirwin on 8/14/2006 4:49:16 PM , Rating: 3
Look, I'm a self-admitted geek (I love building and pimping my own rigs, SF, and video games), but revolutionary these things aren't.

Give me a self-driving car. Give me a flying car that's relatively safe and affordable. Give me an economical and environmentally sound means of transportation.

All these things are revolutionary. But the Segway is pure hype. Not only that, it's bad for your health (it discourages walking) AND the environment (it runs on electricity that comes from power plants).

I want a real revolution - not a marketing ploy.


RE: Why do geeks like Segways?
By DigitalFreak on 8/14/2006 5:28:02 PM , Rating: 3
Steve had his famous "Reality Distortion Field" on at the time.


Maybe it's just me, but....
By Gondorff on 8/14/2006 1:01:54 PM , Rating: 2
look at the pictures again. Anyone think these look a bit (i.e. very) phallic? o_0




By Master Kenobi (blog) on 8/14/2006 2:25:04 PM , Rating: 3
Indeed they do. I would make some sort of childish comment here but would likely get flamed...... ah what the hell.

Does this mean the black one is bigger than the white one?


just one question...
By pepsimax2k on 8/14/2006 12:21:49 PM , Rating: 2
can you oc it?




RE: just one question...
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 8/14/2006 1:10:29 PM , Rating: 2
yea, OC it to 14MPH HECK YEA! LOL!


govt use
By kevinkreiser on 8/14/2006 11:57:54 AM , Rating: 2
i've actually seen these in use by airport personnel at my local airport in harrisburg pa. i guess our local govt officials see this as being a better alternative to the carts you normally see airport people driving around. either that or they like to blow money. probably the latter...

oh yeah, and the airport guy using it DID look very much like a douchebag.




Saw one the other day
By tk109 on 8/14/2006 12:35:43 PM , Rating: 2
I was wondering what happened to these things. I thought they died off. Until I was driving by Intel the other day and saw a guy in a suit riding one.




Sandorski 3:16
By sandorski on 8/14/2006 10:50:57 PM , Rating: 2
16 Sandorski stepped onto his soapbox and said, "You might be a Douchebag, if you call others 'Douchebag'". The Douchebaggens grumbled and left clearly unammused.




Raise of hands...
By Vysion on 8/15/2006 12:17:32 AM , Rating: 2
Have any of you self-proclaimed 'non-douchebags' ever ridden a Segway?

I usually hang onto my opinions until I personally try something, before I discredit them. But then again I'm not a know-it-all like the rest of you seem to be.




Laws out of date
By GreenEnvt on 8/15/2006 11:09:22 AM , Rating: 2
One big problem for these, in some area's they can't be legally used anywhere.

For example, a guy in Niagara falls, Ontario, has one, and he can't use it on the street at it does not fit any section of the highway traffic act in Ontario. He can't use it on the sidewalk either due to some other law, so he is restricted to private property only.

He's gotten a few tickets from riding it around.




LOL
By Ulfhednar on 8/14/06, Rating: 0
Moderated
By fishmonger12 on 8/14/06, Rating: -1
RE: .
By TomZ on 8/14/2006 3:58:54 PM , Rating: 2
^-- SPAM


Are you kidding...
By White Widow on 8/14/2006 3:59:16 PM , Rating: 2
"Despite lower the originally forecasted sales of the original device..."

basic English is NOT THAT DIFFICULT!


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